Schokoladeka Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 I never understood this. Faustin never betrayed or hurt Niko yet Niko kills him. Why was it like that? Why did the story require Faustin to die? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Femme Fatale Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 (edited) After Faustin ordered Niko to kill Lenny Petrovic, his father, Kenny, threatened Rascalov that he would kill him if Faustin isn't killed to avenge his son's death. Of course Rascalov just had to tell Kenny that Niko was the one who killed Lenny, so Kenny demanded that Niko be the one who kills Faustin to let him off the hook along with Rascalov. But, well, you know the rest... Edited February 20, 2019 by Femme Fatale SanLiberty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tao Cheng Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Fausting being irrational and angry makes someone manipulative like Dimitri to convince Niko that killing Faustin will nullify the price on Niko's head, if there's even a bounty on him. Dimitri could be lying and have lust for more power. I don't know. Dimitri could cover his composure better than Faustin, so he can basically get away telling lies to Niko prior to betrayal. Faustin seems unstable during the course of the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiejoearmstrong8 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 (edited) Dimitri wanted Faustin dead because he was unstable and to take more power for himself. He exploited the situation with the Petrovics to make Niko think he wouldn't be safe unless he did it, to get it done. Niko was made to think it was the only way out of the situation and that's why he did it, but in reality he was being manipulated by Dimitri. Edited February 20, 2019 by billiejoearmstrong8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreepShow Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 (edited) If Niko didnt kill Faustin, he would've gotten paranoid about NB and would've tried to kill him. Faustin was irrational at that point of his life. Actions has consequences, and he went too far. Edited February 20, 2019 by CreepShow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutch PLAN der linde Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Cockstar:Hmmm,we need more shootouts in this game,so why not kill faustin too!! That bastard did nothin apart from f*ckin vlad's sister... gtafaninwest and Nik0 Bellic 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxSites Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Dimitri told Niko that he had to kill Faustin because someone very important (can’t remember his name) was killed by Niko on Faustins orders Because of this Dimitri told Niko that he had to be the one to kill Faustin or Dimitri would be killed. Faustin was a raging idiot I highly doubt that Niko cared for him enough to risk the death of dimitri and himself it was his fault that he got into this mess and he only got him in trouble, Niko most likely thought that dimitri was much smarter and a better person to work with in general. Not to mention the general bad things he’s done to his wife, daughter and friends not saying he deserved to die but Niko didn’t want to take a risk on someone who only treated everyone around him like they were only there to annoy him or help him in his rage induced endeavors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJQuaie Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Why ?! Simple : because Niko was a dumb yokel. He was so easily convinged by the backstabber traitor snake Dimitri to end Faustin and I couldn't believed how blind and manipulated was to fall into Dimitri's malefic plan. 14 hours ago, FoxSites said: ... Faustin was a raging idiot I highly doubt that Niko cared for him enough to risk the death of dimitri and himself it was his fault that he got into this mess and he only got him in trouble, Niko most likely thought that dimitri was much smarter and a better person to work with in general. Not to mention the general bad things he’s done to his wife, daughter and friends not saying he deserved to die but Niko didn’t want to take a risk on someone who only treated everyone around him like they were only there to annoy him or help him in his rage induced endeavors. I'm wandering if people who post here even played once the whole game story ... Please, be serious. "Faustin raging idiot"?! Faustin was a pillar and a leader. He had a family, a wife and a spoiled daughter,who didn't respected him and who didn't appreaciate his father efforts. "Bad things he did to his family"?! Yes, wasn't the best husband or dad, but he carred and protected his family. Even Ilyena in her s later apparence as a random character, was devasted after his spouse death. She admited that Faustin wasn't perfect, but apparently she misses him, especially because Anna will grow without a father and also without their house, that had been repossessed. "Dimitri much smarter and better person"? Really? In fact, is the opposite. Dimitri was a parasite, a lone deppresed man, a malefic person who likes to betray people, even the close ones, take Faustin as an example. Never trust a psycho who's carring with him a lot of pills to keep him mentally stable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiejoearmstrong8 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, DJQuaie said: Why ?! Simple : because Niko was a dumb yokel. He was so easily convinged by the backstabber traitor snake Dimitri to end Faustin and I couldn't believed how blind and manipulated was to fall into Dimitri's malefic plan. I'm wandering if people who post here even played once the whole game story ... Please, be serious. "Faustin raging idiot"?! Faustin was a pillar and a leader. He had a family, a wife and a spoiled daughter,who didn't respected him and who didn't appreaciate his father efforts. "Bad things he did to his family"?! Yes, wasn't the best husband or dad, but he carred and protected his family. Even Ilyena in her s later apparence as a random character, was devasted after his spouse death. She admited that Faustin wasn't perfect, but apparently she misses him, especially because Anna will grow without a father and also without their house, that had been repossessed. "Dimitri much smarter and better person"? Really? In fact, is the opposite. Dimitri was a parasite, a lone deppresed man, a malefic person who likes to betray people, even the close ones, take Faustin as an example. Never trust a psycho who's carring with him a lot of pills to keep him mentally stable. Faustin was getting out of control though, he was also on drugs, making reckless decisions and acting strangely. Dimitri was a snake and wanted him killed to take his position, but part of the reason he wanted to do that now, and also part of the reason Niko went along with it was because of Faustin's increasingly unstable behaviour that could've ended up putting Dimitri and Niko at risk for real. Faustin had been a successful leader but he wasn't perfect either, it was both Dimitri's scheming disloyal ways and Faustin's own behaviour that got him killed. Niko killed him because of a combination of a real danger from Faustin being around and Dimitri exaggerating/exploiting it, not just one or the other. Edited February 21, 2019 by billiejoearmstrong8 DJQuaie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grotti Vigilante Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 (edited) It's simple. Niko murdered the son of Kenny Petrovic, a dangerous man, on the orders of Faustin, who at that point was becoming increasingly irrational and was losing his ways. Dimitri talked to Petrovic and explained that Niko was a hired gun and had no personal wars to wage with Petrovic. As such the agreement was that Faustin would be killed by Niko and both would be spared. Of course, Dimitri also being the opportunist he is probably saw his chance to oust Faustin and have someone do his dirty work so he could become leader of the Russian mob. This was a situation that would've easily worked well in his favour. Maybe though the agreement with Petrovic was that Faustin just be killed, but Dimitri decided to add on that it must be Niko just so he can avoid the dirty side of the work. We didn't see the extent of the details of the meeting, but I lean more towards the fact that Niko did it because Petrovic wanted it to be him to kill Faustin in exchange for not waging war against the Russians. Dimitri in turn saw this as an opportunity to overthrow Mikhail just so he could achieve his position of power. I don't imagine him being just as inclined to reach a peace deal if he wouldn't have became leader afterwards. Maybe he would've done and thought long-term though, because that's just the kind of man Rascalov is. A cunning and manipulative villain who had his own end goals in mind. Niko killing Faustin was just the perfect opportunity that presented itself to him. Edited February 21, 2019 by Grotti Vigilante billiejoearmstrong8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiejoearmstrong8 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 I have to just say that I love that there's such complexity to the characters and their motives in the story, this being a prime example. What a phenomenal game FoxSites 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxSites Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) On 2/21/2019 at 9:05 AM, DJQuaie said: Why ?! Simple : because Niko was a dumb yokel. He was so easily convinged by the backstabber traitor snake Dimitri to end Faustin and I couldn't believed how blind and manipulated was to fall into Dimitri's malefic plan. I'm wandering if people who post here even played once the whole game story ... Please, be serious. "Faustin raging idiot"?! Faustin was a pillar and a leader. He had a family, a wife and a spoiled daughter,who didn't respected him and who didn't appreaciate his father efforts. "Bad things he did to his family"?! Yes, wasn't the best husband or dad, but he carred and protected his family. Even Ilyena in her s later apparence as a random character, was devasted after his spouse death. She admited that Faustin wasn't perfect, but apparently she misses him, especially because Anna will grow without a father and also without their house, that had been repossessed. "Dimitri much smarter and better person"? Really? In fact, is the opposite. Dimitri was a parasite, a lone deppresed man, a malefic person who likes to betray people, even the close ones, take Faustin as an example. Never trust a psycho who's carring with him a lot of pills to keep him mentally stable. Faustin didn’t get to where he is now doing the things we see in the game Faustin used to be a pillar and a leader but over time drugs corrupted him and his temper grew. Faustin treated his wife like just another person that needed to be controlled making her life miserable by staying away from her and only yelled at her about something or tried to control her every time he saw her. He also treated his daughter simmilarly not wanting to actually treat her like a father should he just gave her money so he wouldn’t have to do all the work and whenever he didn’t like something she was doing instead of trying to talk to her or dealing with it himself he orders someone else to do it for him. Yes i’m sure he still cared and wanted to protect his family but that doesn’t excuse what he done just because he cared for his family that doesn’t mean he won’t do bad things to his family. I’m sure his family cared for him after all he was still their father they still loved him but that doesn’t mean that they don’t hate the things he’s done to them they should be angry and sad that he died it’s unfortunate for the family but I never said that he deserved to die but Niko has killed better people than Faustin. I purposely said Niko thought in that sentence instead of Dimitri is because well...you already know what happens, Faustin kills Andrei because he was angry at him for making too much noise instead of just telling him “hey next him don’t make so much noise!” he straight up kills him despite him successfully tracking down Niko and Roman and doing what he asked he kills him because he’s making too much noise. He shoots roman in the stomach for yelling for help (which is understandable considering the circumstances) yeah he was ok after but what if Faustin missed and killed him Niko would definitely not want to work with Faustin after that so he loses his debt collector and makes everyone who is close to Roman angry including Niko and Faustin knows not to hurt Niko after what he did to Vlad. Dimitri informs Faustin that the police know about their activities in which Faustin immediately assumes there is a rat and blames it on Lenny Petrovic despite having no proof other than he “bought the coke and not the pot”. Kenny Petrovic is the father of Lenny which is “a very dangerous man” and despite knowing this Faustin decided to send Niko to kill Lenny based on little to no proof which obviously angers Kenny. Even after killing his son he decides for no logical reason to blow up Kenny Petrovic’s garage which once again angers Kenny and causes Dimitri to ask Niko to meet him on firefly island to talk. Dimitri informs Niko that because of Faustins actions Kenny wants him, faustin and likely Niko dead but will spare Dimitri if Niko killed Faustin and well...you know the rest. During the mission no love lost Faustin does not approve of his daughter dating Jason Michaels but instead of talking to her or Jason he decides to have him killed by Niko despite being a part of a dangerous biker gang and knowing that if he kills Jason The Lost will likely want him killed the only reason why this never happened is because Billy lies that it was the Angels of Death Niko has killed better people than Faustin for much worse reasons. Edited February 26, 2019 by FoxSites billiejoearmstrong8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
