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Len Lfc

Analyzing The Past to Predict the Future - Everything We Should Consider on the Road to GTA VI

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releasing it on current gen means billion(s) in the shortest possible amount of time, we are probably speaking billion in a matter of few days

No, it doesn't.

 

Firstly, this game isn't being developed for the current generation, Dan Houser said it was pretty much all hands on deck for RDR 2 and that they couldn't release a GTA during Trump's presidency due to the current political climate being too outlandish. 1ofgk39b65u11.jpg

 

If it was, it'd need to release within the next 17 months, which it isn't doing, there has not been a Rockstar title in the last decade that hasn't been hit by some form of delay: https://www.polygon.com/2017/5/23/15677612/rockstar-games-delayed-red-dead-redemption-2

 

So assuming both of those things hold true, he'd have to announce the game within the next month, and then somehow release it in December of 2020 on a generation of consoles that will innately limit it's design, fundamentally in a way that would compromise the quality of the title. In addition they would do so at the expense of selling RDR 2 on PC and using it to adjust to developing for the new generation of consoles, something that would also make hundreds of millions over the course of a few months and for no where near the cost, either financially or technologically for the game.

 

More importantly than all of that however is the simple truth that even if they got this out, it will not last. GTA V sold more in the last 2 years than it did in the entirety of the time it has been available on PS3/360 just for the next generation and PC versions, and that's a figure recorded 5-7 years post release. The longer the game is available the more it will sell, but more importantly, given the time frame of an actual release: 2021 - 2023 there will be a huge shift to the next generation consoles and a huge shift away from the current generation ones due to backwards compatibility being thing, the sales of GTA V prove as much, selling 10 million copies in 5 months on systems barely 9 months old is absurd but yet it happened anyway: https://www.gamespot.com/articles/gta-5-ships-45-million-copies-including-10-million/1100-6425079/

 

10 million fresh copies sold at £60 each is a staggering £60,000,000 and less than a year later it had sold a further 15 million copies, taking their total profits to £1.5B in under 18 months on brand new machines, not machines that had come out a few years earlier, machines that were only months old at the time of launch. 

 

Rockstar has 0 financial reason to care about a quickly dissipating market on the previous generation.

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18 minutes ago, Finite said:

Firstly, this game isn't being developed for the current generatiom

We don't know that for sure.

 

21 minutes ago, Finite said:

Dan Houser said it was pretty much all hands on deck for RDR 2 and that they couldn't release a GTA during Trump's presidency due to the current political climate being too outlandish. 

Lol so we'll only see GTA VI in 2025?

We shouldn't believe everything Dan says. He's probably said that so people would stop asking about the next GTA and buy RDR 2 instead.

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Yeah, I've read that statement and for the ' rockstars ' they are selling themselves as, that's the single most cowardly statement that I've seen coming from the industry rebels, leaders in thought provoking, but that aside, it could be a viable point, yet it doesn't have to mean anything in particular. He, after all, is definitely not in charge of the finances. As far as I can see it could be " leave us the f'ck alone " part of the marketing tactics, they are so good at.

 

In regards to sale technicalities, from what I know, almost half of the sales were on last gen. Around 36 million out of 100. That's physical copies only. Not to mention, near 17 million were sold in 3 days only. 30 million copies reached after only few months, when the next gen was released. Again, physical and trackable only. Still a record to this day. 

 

" Rockstar has 0 financial reason to care about a quickly dissipating market on the previous generation. " 

 

Might be, but T2, their shareholders and investors and other fine gentlemen have probably about 2 billion of them.

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1 hour ago, ChengizVlad09 said:

Yeah, I've read that statement and for the ' rockstars ' they are selling themselves as, that's the single most cowardly statement that I've seen coming from the industry rebels, leaders in thought provoking, but that aside, it could be a viable point, yet it doesn't have to mean anything in particular. He, after all, is definitely not in charge of the finances. As far as I can see it could be " leave us the f'ck alone " part of the marketing tactics, they are so good at.

 

In regards to sale technicalities, from what I know, almost half of the sales were on last gen. Around 36 million out of 100. That's physical copies only. Not to mention, near 17 million were sold in 3 days only. 30 million copies reached after only few months, when the next gen was released. Again, physical and trackable only. Still a record to this day. 

 

" Rockstar has 0 financial reason to care about a quickly dissipating market on the previous generation. " 

 

Might be, but T2, their shareholders and investors and other fine gentlemen have probably about 2 billion of them.

Honestly, I think those comments made by Dan Houser are being taken out of context, or a little too literally. I think he just meant he was glad GTA 6 wasn't the game releasing that year, instead of RDR2. Besides, it's smart to downplay GTA 6, why would you want to talk about that, when instead you can say "forget about GTA 6, buy RDR2 instead, we need to sell this one!"

 

I get both sides of the argument, GTA 6 would sell a lot more if it launched next year on PS4/X1, then on PS5/Scarlett. Sure! But... what if it's just not ready? They can't release an unfinished game just to make money. If what we're lead to believe is true, and they have all been working on RDR2, then I can't see them getting GTA 6 out 2 years later. However, if the long development time had more to do with the restructuring after the Benzies situation, and now they can get back on schedule... and maybe they were working on GTA 6 longer than we thought... then maybe.

 

I think next gen will have a quicker adoption rate, thanks to backwards compatibility. More people will be willing to move on, if they can play their old games on a new system. and by the time GTA 6 might launch, assuming a 2020 announcement with a 2022 release. You're looking at 2 years into new consoles. I'm confident Rockstar would be happy with that. They'll still make a lot of money, plus long term sales just like GTA V. Not to mention what GTA Online will make.

 

Really, it's just such a complicated situation to predict. But trying to be sensible, I'd have to say next gen only. Rockstars ambitions, combined with development times. By the time it's ready to release, we'll already have new consoles. I just can't see them making it before they launch. I guess they could go cross gen, and just have 'less attractive' versions on PS4/X1. But that gets complicated again.

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^ I agree with most of your points but I sincerely doubt Take2 will let R* skip this console generation, potentially missing out on the double-dip sales of PS4/XB1 and PS5/XboxNext (and maybe even a triple-dip with PC). IMO I see GTA 6 releasing for this current console generation, following the trend GTA V took. How it will affect Online in terms of content updates and maybe crossplay, I cant say for sure.

 

I also believe we might see an announcement for it towards the end of the year if they are in fact releasing it for the current console gen :) The PS4/XB Next are slated for 2021/22 aren't they?

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11 minutes ago, Dock said:

^ I agree with most of your points but I sincerely doubt Take2 will let R* skip this console generation, potentially missing out on the double-dip sales of PS4/XB1 and PS5/XboxNext (and maybe even a triple-dip with PC). IMO I see GTA 6 releasing for this current console generation, following the trend GTA V took. How it will affect Online in terms of content updates and maybe crossplay, I cant say for sure.

 

I also believe we might see an announcement for it towards the end of the year if they are in fact releasing it for the current console gen :) The PS4/XB Next are slated for 2021/22 aren't they?

The point is they have no choice. If the game has only recently gone into full development, they can't force them into releasing the game. Like I said, I could see it maybe being cross gen. But there's too much uncertainty.

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@Len Lfc

 

I feel like I'm bothering you guys by all this so unnecessarily and I'll reply quickly one more time. Hell, I even feel I'm putting my balls on the line equally and as much unnecessarily, but feel free to spit in my general direction if all this doesn't come as true.

 

- I really don't know what to make out of his statement, but saying it's hard to satirize something is clear bs, especially saying it's hard to satirize and make fun of either liberals or conservatives. Sure, it takes skill, something they clearly showed they have, but saying it's hard because of the subject's nature, give me a break. These two are literally the main subject of satire in the USA. If they have even slightest of problems with satirizing any politic figure, than they clearly have no single clue what the satire is all about, or they are on his or hers pay role. It's like saying; " you know, I have both legs and that's why I cannot walk", it makes no sense. This could be affecting the story line to some extent though, what exactly it means in terms of releasing the game and its schedule, it could be either of things we all mentioned here.

 

- Neither of us or anyone from the general public have a single clue at what point of the making the next GTA title is currently, but I doubt they have waited for next gen testing kits or worse, they are going to wait until NG is officially out, so they can finally do so. Schedule is the most important thing, no doubt, but schedule itself doesn't change the situation, the situation is the one that changes the schedule. That's one of the subjective reasons, why I don't buy into their "polishing" and "quality testing" empty phrases, because objectively and as a huge R* admirer - believe it or not - I cannot see why RDR2 is a better game in the true technical sense, than let's say AC:Odyssey? - which is a yearly triple A title of the pretty much the same nature. It is their marketing model to have one popular game that will murder everything else on the market and making us wait longer is nothing but a psychological trick applied to the masses, so we could build that anticipation further and that alone increases the sales significantly. 

Given the time span I mentioned already, 2004-2008 and the behemoth of a job done there, I cannot see why one or two games would be so hard to reach and achieve in a span of 7 or so years, especially counting on familiar x86 architecture.

 

- Backwards compatibility. That was indeed screwing up my conception and seeing of all this in one compact picture, but than again, not only is there a high probability it will be a paid service of sorts, but the next GTA will probably be a completely different game on the next gen consoles. That really goes well with what they can use in justifying why there won't be " next GTA " on the list of backward compatible games. It's completely different. Just by adding another portion of the map, or by using some in-game mechanics, or visuals, or objectively - simply by harnessing the horse power of the next gen and next gen SSD's, it's really easy to portray it as a different thing, which it will really be in a sense. Or even better, if you want to pay and play that older, stripped down version, be our guest!

 

" You're looking at 2 years into new consoles. I'm confident Rockstar would be happy with that. " I'm sure they would, but as I said, their paymasters wouldn't and every single bit of information that I've seen over the years in regards to the " business " side of making games is pointing out, not that they'll do it by releasing it on current gen first, but by doing otherwise, it would make the shareholders one not-so-happy-rats, to say it mildly. From what I understand about stocks and other parts of hell, that doesn't simply mean "missed opportunity ", it is eating their profits directly, they always need a little more. 

 

Anyway, we'll see. Cheers!

 

 

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27 minutes ago, Len Lfc said:

The point is they have no choice. If the game has only recently gone into full development, they can't force them into releasing the game. Like I said, I could see it maybe being cross gen. But there's too much uncertainty.

(First of all, let me be the first to say I have not read the entire thread. So maybe I am indeed skipping info written here and there.)

 

If that's indeed the case, then sure. But why would GTA 6 only have been in full development recently? IIRC work on GTA V started immediately following GTA IV's (or TBoGT's) release. Sure, it might have started with relatively lighter stuff like preproduction and what not before going into full fledged crunch mode but I find it hard to believe that GTA 6 was sidelined development wise all this time, even with RDR2's release.

 

They can take all the time they need, I won't be able to play the game until it hits PC :D but I find it hard to swallow that R* won't have a new GTA title out in time for current gen. V came out in 2013, and even with the enhanced release in 2015 I doubt it would have impeded VI's progress.

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Len Lfc
11 minutes ago, ChengizVlad09 said:

I feel like I'm bothering you guys by all this so unnecessarily and I'll reply quickly one more time. Hell, I even feel I'm putting my balls on the line equally as much unnecessary, but feel free to spit in my general direction if all this doesn't come as true.

Nah, it's fine. We have nothing much else to do, until the game is actually announced. So may as well discuss what we can.

 

I do believe Dan about it being had to satirise modern America. I'm not saying it can't be done, I just thing the point he's making is different that how you see it. He's basically saying what they would satirize is too close to reality now, and that it would be out of date much faster. If you had a particular style of writing that heavily depended on taking the piss out of certain people, I'm sure you'd feel a little hesitant if the world had changed to a point where your writing wouldn't have the same impact as it used to have. That's where the theories that the next GTA will take place in the past come from., you'd avoid that issue almost entirely. Although it would bring other issues with it.

 

Take a trip down memory lane, and scan through the first few pages of the GTA V Leak Topic Many people were convinced the game would be announced and release in 2011. Later people would think 2012. My point here is we often think things that just don't pan out, on both sides of the argument (in this case yours and mine, only time will tell). To contextualise it, and bring it into todays example, it's theorising the game will release on current consoles. because it makes so much financial sense, right? I do actually agree there. But if the game isn't far along enough into development, it doesn't matter what Take Two say, you can't release something that simply does not exist. The only leaks we have to its existence are resume leaks and a project description.

 

As for backwards compatibility. It absolutely will not be a paid service. I can guarantee you that. If Sony or Microsoft did that, they'd be shooting themselves in the foot just as bad as 2013's Kinect and 2006's PS3. Backwards compatibility is already free on X1.

2 minutes ago, Dock said:

(First of all, let me be the first to say I have not read the entire thread. So maybe I am indeed skipping info written here and there.)

 

If that's indeed the case, then sure. But why would GTA 6 only have been in full development recently? IIRC work on GTA V started immediately following GTA IV's (or TBoGT's) release. Sure, it might have started with relatively lighter stuff like preproduction and what not before going into full fledged crunch mode but I find it hard to believe that GTA 6 was sidelined development wise all this time, even with RDR2's release.

 

They can take all the time they need, I won't be able to play the game until it hits PC :D but I find it hard to swallow that R* won't have a new GTA title out in time for current gen. V came out in 2013, and even with the enhanced release in 2015 I doubt it would have impeded VI's progress.

The reason being is that we're led to believe that RDR2 was a Rockstar Studios production. Whereas in the past RDR1 was done by Rockstar San Diego, and GTA Rockstar North (obviously they'd both chip in. North famously had to after being begged by Houser to save them, as RDR1 was a recurring nightmare) If that is the case, then full development wouldn't begin on GTA 6 until RDR2 was wrapping up.

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@Len Lfc That makes sense, thank you for informing me. I'd still like to believe that development on both titles would have been parallel until work on RDR2 took off closer to release. Only reason I'm sticking to my reasoning is because GTA is just too big of an IP to skip a generation on (at-least for T2).

 

Like you said, things may not pan out like we predict, but I definitely will be surprised if your prediction comes true. But only time will tell.

 

Speaking of San Diego, where's my new Midnight Club title 😪

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@Len Lfc

 

You are completely right about that, I can't believe I've misinterpreted that part so wrongly - huge forehead slap. I remember one of my all time favorite satirical show's " main guy in the band " saying the exact same words about the political situation in the country of that time and how their skits and jokes were literally becoming a reality and then the war broke loose and everything went to $hit. Lol, hopefully it won't be the case with GTA. 

 

 

 

 

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16 minutes ago, Len Lfc said:

If that is the case, then full development wouldn't begin on GTA 6 until RDR2 was wrapping up.

Didn't Ash say VI went into full production in 2015/16? If that's correct, they've been working on it for at least 4 years and they wouldn't need much more time. I know RDR 2 took 8 years to be developed but GTA isn't as complex as RDR so 5-6 years of development would be enough.

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33 minutes ago, Dock said:

I'd still like to believe that development on both titles would have been parallel until work on RDR2 took off closer to release

It very well could be. And I do hope that's true. If Tim Neff was working with Rockstar in February 2017 on RDR2, but also GTA 6. That could suggest they were working on both. Or it could just be a case of having a stunt actor do some extra stuff for their next project, while he's there. I don't know. It was certainly under some level of pre production during RDR2.

 

32 minutes ago, ChengizVlad09 said:

@Len Lfc

 

You are completely right about that, I can't believe I've misinterpreted that part so wrongly - huge forehead slap. I remember one of my all time favorite satirical show's " main guy in the band " saying the exact same words about the political situation in the country of that time and how their skits and jokes were literally becoming a reality and then the war broke loose and everything went to $hit. Lol, hopefully it won't be the case with GTA. 

 

 

 

 

No problem. Glad we came to an understanding there. Sam Houser has an insane knowledge of pop culture, he could probably write a 70's, 80's or 90's story in his sleep. Either way, I don't think that quote means GTA 6 will be delayed. I think they'll work around it easily enough.

 

18 minutes ago, Damien Scott said:

Didn't Ash say VI went into full production in 2015/16? If that's correct, they've been working on it for at least 4 years and they wouldn't need much more time. I know RDR 2 took 8 years to be developed but GTA isn't as complex as RDR so 5-6 years of development would be enough.

He did yeah. That's what drives me insane. So many things point to one thing. But others, another...

https://www.resetera.com/threads/rumor-gta-6-potentially-confirmed-from-ex-employee-artstation-resume-as-rockstars-next-game-discovered-from-gtaforums-member.112352/post-19999701

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17 minutes ago, ChengizVlad09 said:

 

I think they want to avoid backlash more than anything

 

they already got some on the RDR2 work hours that probably scared the Housers from ever doing interviews again

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4 hours ago, Damien Scott said:

We shouldn't believe everything Dan says. He's probably said that so people would stop asking about the next GTA and buy RDR 2 instead.

No. This is unbelievably stupid, he said this during the pre-release of RDR 2, and GTA VI which hasn't even been announced or been anything more than a rumour isn't going to canabalize the sales of Rockstar's first major title in half a decade, their only new title for the modern generation consoles, he made this statement for the exact reasons he gave in the statement.

 

Stop trying to read between the lines and read what's literally right in front of you.

4 hours ago, Damien Scott said:

Lol so we'll only see GTA VI in 2025?

No. We'll likely see it at the end of 2022, Trump's approval ratings are in the toilet and have been since he took office gradually declining for a multitude of reasons, but what it does mean at a minimum is that they have no intention of launching a GTA in this political climate.

4 hours ago, ChengizVlad09 said:

In regards to sale technicalities, from what I know, almost half of the sales were on last gen. Around 36 million out of 100. That's physical copies only. Not to mention, near 17 million were sold in 3 days only. 30 million copies reached after only few months, when the next gen was released. Again, physical and trackable only. Still a record to this day. 

They aren't technicalities, they equate to cold hard cash I made a post here showing the huge disparity between what was achieved by selling a new game at the end of last generation to launching at the start of this one here: 

 

In fact, if you want real stats, over 40% of the entire number of sold copies of GTA V have been shipped since November 2016. That's more than the total number it sold on both last generation consoles at their peaks and it did so 2 and a half years after re-releasing the game on the new hardware. That is a very telling figure given it occurred from late 2016, a period similar to if not identical to the timeframe given for a GTA VI relaunch on the next gen machines.

 

Assuming that the PS5 has a similar or higher buy in rate to the PS4 it will have reached over 50,000,000 units shipped by that same period, more than enough to justify launching for, let alone the Xbox console which if it does the same or better than the X1 at the same period would give Rockstar a base of over 80 million potential units to launch the game for, given the total buy rate of 110,000,000 copies almost 80 of which have been purchased for the current generation, and the total number of consoles estimated to be sold in this generation - 140,000,000 - 150,000,000 that would imply that Rockstar has sold GTA V to roughly 1 in every 2 console owners in the entire generation.

 

A similar adaption rate for GTA VI on the next generation would leave  them with a slightly larger number of potential sales than GTA V made for the entirety of the last generation. 

 

Statistically, numerically, financially, technologically and implicitly based off of what the company VP has outright stated. We aren't getting a GTA game for this generation of consoles. Period.

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5 hours ago, Finite said:

 given the total buy rate of 110,000,000 copies almost 80 of which have been purchased for the current generation

of course if you imagine false figures to go in your direction it's easy to convince yourself

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4 minutes ago, Forza_GTA said:

of course if you imagine false figures to go in your direction it's easy to convince yourself

GTA V has actually sold 110M copies. I don't know the split though.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2019/05/14/putting-grand-theft-auto-vs-110-million-copies-sold-into-context/#bb2d5422cac2

https://www.resetera.com/threads/gtav-has-now-sold-110m-copies-lifetime-rdr2-24m-2k19-9m.116746/

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2 hours ago, Forza_GTA said:

of course if you imagine false figures to go in your direction it's easy to convince yourself

Pretty easy not to do your research as well.

 

When GTA V's next generation sales numbers were released in February 2015 alongside it's total sales, over the course of 5 straight months, the previous generation titles hadn't even contributed to a million shipped or sold copies during that almost half a year long period, it's very unlikely then that years after as the previous generation machines have been gradually abandoned and the switch over to the 8th generation completed that it added any more than maybe a million or two at most to the total sales counter. 

 

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-05-13-gta-v-ships-33-million-boosts-take-twos-income-to-a-record-USD361m

https://www.polygon.com/2015/2/3/7973035/grand-theft-auto-5-sales-45-million-ps4-xbox-one

 

The figures for Steam aren't publicly available but most estimate them at around 15 million copies, tallying the two sets up you've got somewhere around 50 million copies that weren't shipped on console, but that's a disingenuous figure anyway, given that the next generation ports and the PC ports are effectively the same port just one worked on for slightly longer in comparison to the launch versions of GTA V. Therefore, I tend to include the PC port under the label of next generation versions because it clearly is.

 

Lastly, as Len kindly pointed out, that sales figure is very accurate.

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yes I know for the 110 million copies sold it's rather the 80 million sold on the current generation that surprised me

of course if we count the PC we can get to these numbers but this is not the subject we are talking about consoles

vg charz confirm the 35 million on PS3 / 360 but we don't know if the digital versions are counted and since when the figures are updated because on PS4 / One we get only 30 million

On PC they announce 12.6 million in July 2018 so the 15 million this year seems close

I don't know how much Rockstar or T2 earn money on a game sold 50/60 $ but if it's 20/25 $ on 35/40 million it's around 800 million profit without counting the income from online on the older generation of console

that's a lot of money lost if it's not published on PS4 / One because don't forget that if we had a very ambitious RDR 2 on which they could take their time with less pressure to release it more quickly you can say thanks to the huge revenues of GTA 5 over 2 generations so without it no RDR 3 or no RDR 3 with a big ambition like RDR 2

 

and they may want to finance another games outside the GTA / RDR duo on the next generation like a new Max Payne for example

 

 

 

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If the sales figures are true then I have to agree, skipping current gen seemingly won’t hurt them. If anything it’ll atleast mean that we’ll receive a better game thanks to it being constrained by next gen hardware limitations rather than the current one.

 

Maybe I’m misreading something, but I have mixed feeling about combining PC sales with the enhanced console version’s sales. The PC version had exclusive content like the R* editor for a few months (I think), plus its been discounted a lot, even before it’s launch (40-50$ iirc on sites like GMG).

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The fact that the only real exclusive content for it are things like mods rather than Rockstar curated features emphasise what I mean when I refer to them as the same product, they are both just enhanced versions of the original game developed in tandem with minimal differences compared to the base version. 

 

Even then, what matters truly is that they are sales separate from the last generation console versions proving you don't need to release on the last generation to outsell it.

 

1 hour ago, Forza_GTA said:

that's a lot of money lost if it's not published on PS4 / One 

By the same logic there's a lot of money lost in not publishing GTA IV for the Wii. Do not pretend like Rockstar cares that much about console numbers to sacrifice the quality of their titles, if they did every game they made would have launched for the Wii in that era and NONE of them did. 

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Also: talking about the city (-ies) being set in different time periods: it makes sense, according to @Fun 2.
It was almost done but suddenly cut in GTA5.
I believe GTA6 could use all the benefit from it.
 

15 hours ago, Fun 2 said:

All of what you are talking about is done in what is called "Item Placement" file.

"Item Placement" files deal with all map props and terrain.

There's an item placement file called "xm_hatches_terrain.ymap" in DDH files, you can find it and check out what it does to the map.

It remove some bushes/trees/rocks and add the new terrain for DDH.

Still, there's the part where all of those changes are loaded into the game. This is when "building_controller" script kicks in, it request "xm_hatches_terrain" which is placed inside the ymap file I mentioned above, it load the new changes and remove some old props/terrain in the map.

When I was talking about SP DLC, I mentioned that R* was planning new variants of "building_controller" script for each SP DLC episode.

The zombies episode would have its own different look of the whole map. Same applies to Trevor's episode and the alien one.

I was simply saying if R* is going to change the map three times for three SP DLC episodes, that amount of effort is likely equal to working on a map expansion.

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On 7/8/2019 at 6:31 AM, Finite said:

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By the same logic there's a lot of money lost in not publishing GTA IV for the Wii. Do not pretend like Rockstar cares that much about console numbers to sacrifice the quality of their titles, if they did every game they made would have launched for the Wii in that era and NONE of them did. 

Are you serious about putting the WII in this discussion?
We all know that Nintendo doesn't focus on the power of these consoles, its audience is completely different from PS / XBOX players and Rockstar games in general it's absurd.

It looks like you don't believe what you're saying by putting the WII and Nintendo in this discussion without forgetting the PC that you count as a next gen to try to discredit the sales of PS3 / X360.

Rockstar will sacrifice some ambition if they estimate that the sales figures in less by sacrificing a generation of console is too important, what will be the case with at least 35/40 million copies if we take the example of GTA 5 on PS3/360.

If that was not the case they would not have released GTA 5 on PS3 / 360 while the PS4 / One arrived only 2 months later if we listened to you.

 

And stop overestimating Rockstar about their intentions, remind me how many games they have released on this generation since the success of GTA online with which they earn money very easily every year for 6 years?

Just RDR 2 which is certainly a very high-quality game but it's not much compared to the PS3/360 era with Midnight Club, L.A Noire, Max Payne 3, RDR with its solo DLC, GTA 4 and its 2 solo DLC and GTA 5.

 

Hard to believe that they will only produce one game over this whole generation and with the economic argument everything suggests that it will come out on this generation.

 

 

 

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Though I might be injecting some of my own thoughts here, I think what Finite is trying to say is that GTA V’s sales (largely thanks to Online no doubt) has provided enough sustenance for R* to not bother with releasing anything else this generation. Or rather there is no point in wasting resources making a new GTA Online for this gen. Also, we don’t know to what extent RDR2’s development has impeded VI’s.

 

There was nothing like GTA Online during the 360/PS3 era, so it made sense for R* to pump out the many games they did back then. But now? Online is a runaway success even if we may not like it.

 

While I still don’t fully (want to) believe that they’ll skip releasing a new GTA title for this generation, I do understand the argument for focusing on a release for just the next gen with its improved performance. Plus it’ll still be early enough to last the entire next gen as well just like GTA V has for PS4/XB1 so far. Maybe they’ll partner with Sony again to sell consoles with the game as a bundle too.

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4 hours ago, Forza_GTA said:

Are you serious about putting the WII in this discussion?
We all know that Nintendo doesn't focus on the power of these consoles, its audience is completely different from PS / XBOX players and Rockstar games in general it's absurd.

 

So is pretending an order of magnitude power increase and a huge uptake in CPU power especially can be downscaled for previous generations. To be clear, they have: 

 

A) Not had the time to develop this title, most hands on deck were there for RDR 2.

 

B) Not had the time to port RDR 2 to next gen or PC yet. Which this would kill momentum for.

 

C) Not announced a game within the last decade that released during the year of it's announcement.

 

D) Known that both Project Scarlett and the PS5 will be late 2020 launches for a long time now, possibly since before the launch of RDR 2.

 

You entire argument is built off of supposition and absurdity.

4 hours ago, Forza_GTA said:

It looks like you don't believe what you're saying by putting the WII and Nintendo in this discussion without forgetting the PC that you count as a next gen to try to discredit the sales of PS3 / X360
 

 

4 hours ago, Forza_GTA said:

Rockstar will sacrifice some ambition if they estimate that the sales figures in less by sacrificing a generation of console is too important, what will be the case with at least 35/40 million copies if we take the example of GTA 5 on PS3/360.

Based on what evidence? Seriously. What. Evidence.

 

We have evidence to the contrary that showed them refusing to port literally any game they made to any Nintendo console despite the Switch being able to support The Witcher 3 and The WIi being the single best-selling console since the PS2.

 

There is 0 evidence to suggest that in 2022 there will be a player base in tens of millions active on the previous generation of consoles that all buy one game, there is no evidence at all to suggest that GTA VI will launch at any time prior to that, based on every conceivable piece of evidence available to the public right now there is not a chance that they would care about the negligible amount of copies an older generation console version of an as of yet unannounced game would sell.

 

Also, the next generation version of GTA V is the PC version, all of the upgrades and additions that were made for those systems are in the PC version and vice versa. Literally the same reason why there isn't a PC version of RDR 2 yet is the next generation consoles.

 

4 hours ago, Forza_GTA said:

If that was not the case they would not have released GTA 5 on PS3 / 360 while the PS4 / One arrived only 2 months later if we listened to you.

No you idiot, that is total nonsense, and you know why? GTA V was literally announced in October of 2011, 16 months before the announcement of the PS4 and Xbox One, and almost TWO years before they launched. 

 

It was very obvious that a game announced that early, literal years before the next generation consoles were even announced that it would be a current generation title.

 

Seriously how on Earth have you made this logical leap? It's legitimately impressive. 

 

4 hours ago, Forza_GTA said:

And stop overestimating Rockstar about their intentions, remind me how many games they have released on this generation since the success of GTA online with which they earn money very easily every year for 6 years?

You may want to translate this for me. 

 

If you mean, stop overestimating the amount Rockstar earn from their Online titles? Why should we? Those Online sections are designed to appeal to Whales whose inhibition knows no bounds and who can drop thousands of dollars on any title, making just one of those players worth more than dozens of their counterparts.

 

Even if that weren't the case, in the last 9 months Rockstar released a new single player title, that had, back in May made more money in 12 days than RDR made in it's 8 years on the market, they don't need to release a GTA to make money.

 

Rockstar could put their logo on anything it would sell a massive number of copies.

 

4 hours ago, Forza_GTA said:

Just RDR 2 which is certainly a very high-quality game but it's not much compared to the PS3/360 era with Midnight Club, L.A Noire, Max Payne 3, RDR with its solo DLC, GTA 4 and its 2 solo DLC and GTA 5.

Just RDR 2 which happens to the biggest game they've ever made by a mile, a game that sold more than every game on that list combined sans GTA IV & GTA V. Yes, just RDR 2.

4 hours ago, Forza_GTA said:

Hard to believe that they will only produce one game over this whole generation.

No it isn't. It hasn't been announced. The next generation consoles have. The two games they have launched this generation have sold more copies combined than all of their releases on the previous generation of consoles, and they haven't even finished porting one of them yet.

 

4 hours ago, Forza_GTA said:

and with the economic argument everything suggests that it will come out on this generation.

What economic argument? Nothing you've said even comes close to arguing the economics in favour of a current generation release.

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1 hour ago, Bruno1612 said:

There is a "leak" by user DeepthroatVI that says that the villain will be named The Mexican, and played by Jorge Consejo. https://gtaforums.com/topic/933628-gta-vi-in-depth-and-detailed-leaks/

Yeah, which came well after those details were discovered. Meaning it would be very easy to fake it all. Also, they were trolling, see the last two posts in that thread.

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What does his voice sound like

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13 hours ago, Equatecurl said:

What does his voice sound like

Check out his commercial and TV reel

http://www.jorgeconsejo.com/

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I don’t know if someone already mentioned this but 

 

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