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Len Lfc

Analyzing The Past to Predict the Future - Everything We Should Consider on the Road to GTA VI

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Jakub1904
2 hours ago, Len Lfc said:

Yeah, I saw that on Twitter. I don't think it's GTA. Rockstar would never allow anything like that to be posted if it were. I know Rockstar have a history of promoting some 'strange' things. Only strange in relation to the kinds of games they make. They've posted on their newswire about cycling tournaments in the past, for example.

 

https://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/60136/Rockstar-Games-Presents-the-2017-Red-Hook-Criterium

 

So I personally choose not to focus on this. Although, I will keep half an eye on it.

It does have a Manhunt vibe. But... anything can feel like anything. Doesn't always mean it's connected. An alleged Manhunt 3 was leaked, though. Someone I spoke to, who is a Manhunt fan said it' sounds plausible, but fake. like someone who knows Manhunt/Rockstar well enough to write a legit sounding fake.

https://www.removeddit.com/r/GamingLeaksAndRumours/comments/cgtc5h/for_those_who_are_bummed_out_about_the_fake_leaks/

Thanks for that reddit link, I haven't seen it before, it's interesting reading. I guess it's probably fake as always, but anyway, at least it doesn't sound like absolute horsesh*t like most of the "leaks" do. 😀

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Len Lfc
On 5/7/2019 at 3:15 PM, Len Lfc said:

Bit of a minor update on Tim Neff. Could be nothing but you can be the judge.

 

So as I recently mentioned Tim Neff has added Grand Theft Auto and Red Dead Redemption back into his resume. I was looking into it some more and found something interesting worth sharing. 

Here is Tim Neffs Istunt Resume. If you look at the motion capture part, you'll see the following:

 

Motion Capture                Role                                      Reference
Red Dead Redemption Motion Capture Performer Rockstar Games
Reborn Motion Capture Performer Sony
Grand Theft Auto Motion Capture Performer Rockstar Games
Call of Duty Motion Capture Performer Activision
Dunkirk VR Stunts Cole McKay
Dreadspace Stunts Patrick Gallaway

 

Now, if you check out his website and head to stunts, you'll find this: http://tim-neff.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Headshot.pdf

What I find interesting is under "Mocap" 3 of the 6 are listed as "Untitled Mocap". Now that could be out of date, or there's been a mistake in putting the titles on istunt. But I do find it interesting that the games Red Dead Redemption, Grand Theft Auto and Call of Duty do not have specific titles. We know his work on RDR was for RDR2, and he is not in GTA V. So the likely answer is that it's for RDR2 and GTA 6. And the Call of Duty work is for MW4, perhaps? ( I couldn't find his name in Black Ops 4, and I didn't look at past games)

 

Again, nothing too serious, nothing we don't already know. But there's not much else going on, and every little detail helps, I guess.

 

Extremely minor update. I planned to check the credits for MW4, back in May, to see if Tim Neff was credited. Since I didn't own Black Ops 4, and admittedly didn't look hard enough back then, I missed his name from the Black Ops 4 credits. This is minor, but I thought it was worth mentioning, as it just confirms this is legit even further. For any doubters out there ;)

The video below is timestamped. Just pause immediately.

 

Spoiler

Stunt Actor Tim Neff's resume/CV can be found on his website and on his iStunt page. Interestingly enough, his personal website lists 6 projects, under mocap. 3 of which are untitled. But on his iStunt page, they are all titled. The three hidden titles are; Red Dead Redemption, Grand Theft Auto & Call of Duty. He is listed in the credits for Call of Duty Black Ops 4, which confirm this information is legit and can be trusted. Which only goes on to confirm he is indeed in GTA VI. 

 

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Kris194

But he said, that it is not his profile, why don't you believe him? :D

 

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Well, I hope that we all now know that GTA VI will be set in Vice City and will have different eras.

 

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Len Lfc

Updated the thread with some updated thoughts on the next gen install base, and Rockstars potential thoughts on it.

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I used to agree about the install base of next gen consoles, and I still do, more or less. But one thing I did not originally factor was the fact that there are more people playing games in 2020, than there were in 2013. For example, look at PlayStations tweets announcing the PS4 vs PS5

 

 

PS4 has 13K likes, and 18.9K people talking about it. But PS5 has 216K likes and 99K people talking about it. Now, sure, this may be more of an indication that social media has grown. But still, more people are interested in gaming today, than in 2013. Plus, we expect the adoption rate to be faster, due to backwards compatibility. Back in 2013, you couldn't play your old games on a PS4 or X1. So many people waited until the new consoles were 'worth buying'. in 2020, you'll be able to play most, if not all your PS4 or X1 games on a PS5 or Series X. Not to mention see significant improvements in load times, thanks to the SSD alone. Maybe even enhancement patches for some 2019/2020 games?

 

I still expect a 2023 release for GTA VI. But I'm less convinced that Rockstar will want to wait for an install base to grow to a big enough size. And Rockstar surely know it's going to be tough to beat GTA V's day 1 sales. $1BN in 2 days is going to be extremely difficult to beat. They won't wait, just so they can beat that. But they'll certainly stand a chance of matching lifetime sales, if GTA VI is anything like GTA V.

 

 

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GTAhare
2 hours ago, Len Lfc said:

Updated the thread with some updated thoughts on the next gen install base, and Rockstars potential thoughts on it.

 

 

Dont forget how also GTA 6 will probably be viewed by Take 2 as a product they generates continuous revenue over time. Seeing as it’s been over 6 years after GTA 5 was released and yet GTA 6 hasn’t yet been announced, Rockstar is probably in no hurry to release GTA 6. Online or still going strong and there’s no reason why they should suddenly end it when it’s still generating revenue.

 

I have a love/hate relationship with the fact that Online allows Rockstar to internally delay GTA 6 constantly. On one hand it allows them to take their time and flesh out the game more and make it better, on the other it’s such a long time without even a confirmation or hint. It’s going to be SO satisfying once the game will finally be announced.

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Len Lfc
7 minutes ago, GTAhare said:

 

Dont forget how also GTA 6 will probably be viewed by Take 2 as a product they generates continuous revenue over time. Seeing as it’s been over 6 years after GTA 5 was released and yet GTA 6 hasn’t yet been announced, Rockstar is probably in no hurry to release GTA 6. Online or still going strong and there’s no reason why they should suddenly end it when it’s still generating revenue.

 

I have a love/hate relationship with the fact that Online allows Rockstar to internally delay GTA 6 constantly. On one hand it allows them to take their time and flesh out the game more and make it better, on the other it’s such a long time without even a confirmation or hint. It’s going to be SO satisfying once the game will finally be announced.

Yeah. GTA VI might not make as much as GTA V day one. But as soon as GTA VI goes on sale, it'll probably be in the top 10 sales charts for the next 5+ years, or until GTA 7.

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Len Lfc

Hard to believe this was one year ago. But, it just goes to show how fast time can go, in reality. Anyone who feels like GTA VI is taking forever, well, it'll be here before you know it. We felt this way for GTA V, and that released nearly 7 years ago lol...:cry:

 

Here's hoping we hear some genuine rumours or leaks sometime soon. 

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GTAhare
On 2/19/2020 at 7:19 AM, Len Lfc said:

Hard to believe this was one year ago. But, it just goes to show how fast time can go, in reality. Anyone who feels like GTA VI is taking forever, well, it'll be here before you know it. We felt this way for GTA V, and that released nearly 7 years ago lol...:cry:

 

Here's hoping we hear some genuine rumours or leaks sometime soon. 

 

I’d love for some genuine leaks to happen sometime. Once the reveal trailer eventually drops is when the fun will really begin.

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Len Lfc
4 hours ago, GTAhare said:

 

I’d love for some genuine leaks to happen sometime. Once the reveal trailer eventually drops is when the fun will really begin.

Maybe they already have, but we don't have the game, or official details to compare them to? 🤷‍♂️

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GTAhare

The insightful and realistic Len Lfc is probably right that GTA 6 will be announced in 2021. I just hope it’s a next gen game, not cross gen, so it can remain technically advanced for years to game. While GTA 5 still looks and plays impressive today you can tell it was made for old hardware and could’ve been better in multiple areas had it been for current consoles, and with how much more advanced next-gen consoles will be than current ones I think there’s a big opportunity to make GTA 6 next-gen exclusive.,

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Len Lfc
16 hours ago, GTAhare said:

The insightful and realistic Len Lfc is probably right that GTA 6 will be announced in 2021. I just hope it’s a next gen game, not cross gen, so it can remain technically advanced for years to game. While GTA 5 still looks and plays impressive today you can tell it was made for old hardware and could’ve been better in multiple areas had it been for current consoles, and with how much more advanced next-gen consoles will be than current ones I think there’s a big opportunity to make GTA 6 next-gen exclusive.,

The game that so many people are playing in 2020, is a game that was made for hardware from 2004! Crazy to think about, right? I really hope GTA VI is like GTA IV, in that they release it for the new hardware only.

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Posted (edited)
Hey OP, I can't get my head around when you say:  
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"The only problem is GTA 6 going into pre production in 2012. If the location was decided upon then. It would either be a happy coincidence, or they may have changed the location."

 
Why wouldn't it make sense if the people deciding on the location later (Benzies, December 2012) and much later (Houser, October 2018) make statements to back that decision up? It turns out for me to make perfect sense. Imagine the team was still undecided in December 2012 - Benzies casually dropped his wish for a Vice City setting, just to put a bit of pressure via media early on. Maybe quote some positive comments in an "inner circle meeting" to back him up. Houser, already knowing the setting decided on years ago, talks the impossibility to be ahead of the curve in these fast-paced times which will later put the company in a position to tell everyone "well we told you that before so we decided an 80s setting". Even with Houser leaving this Feb, the story and chars and everything has finished and might just be polished - what he said still stands as he must have done all the heavy lifting already.
 
So, please tell me how it would not make sense event with production starting in 2012 (some sources say 2014, still).
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Len Lfc
2 hours ago, mistershine said:

Why wouldn't it make sense if the people deciding on the location later (Benzies, December 2012) and much later (Houser, October 2018) make statements to back that decision up?

It's not an actual problem. It was just a turn of phrase. Basically meaning that the location may have already been chosen/set before those comments were made. Meaning that for all the clues gained from those comments, they may have meant nothing since it was already decided. But also being a problem in the sense that the comments made about revisiting Miami in a different time period may end up proving false, since they may have changed the original location after those comments were made.

 

I realize I haven't worded it the best. But I also admit I'm not the best with words, and I'd never written an in-depth thread like this before. Also it was 3:44am when I finally finished and posted it :D

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Posted (edited)

Me and a few other members made our own timeline, which goes like this :

 

1. Planning in 2016 

2. Side-Production in 2017

3. Full Production in 2018

4. Announcement in 2021

5. Release in 2022

 

Pre-Production : 1 year (2016-2017)

Production : 5 years (2017-2022)

Total Time Spent on The Project : 6 years

 

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bashovski
13 minutes ago, MrBreak16 said:

Me and a few other members made our own timeline, which goes like this :

 

1. Planning in 2016 

2. Side-Production in 2017

3. Full Production in 2018

4. Announcement in 2021

5. Release in 2022

 

Pre-Production : 1 year (2016-2017)

Production : 5 years (2017-2022)

Total Time Spent on The Project : 6 years

 

What were they doing for 3 years after the release of GTA V? Okay, what were they doing since 2015 after the GTA V for PC was released?
 

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Posted (edited)
2 minutes ago, bashovski said:

What were they doing for 3 years after the release of GTA V? Okay, what were they doing since 2015 after the GTA V for PC was released?
 

Red Dead Redemption II and L.A Noire Remastered

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Len Lfc
4 minutes ago, MrBreak16 said:

Red Dead Redemption II and L.A Noire Remastered

I still think they may have also been waiting for next-gen devkits, so they really knew what their limitations were.

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MrBreak16
Posted (edited)

It’s not really easy to find something. The four most logical scenarios we found where :

 

1. GTA VI was planned in 2016, started production in 2018 and will be done in 2022 (6 years)

2. GTA VI was planned in 2017, started production in 2018 and will be done in 2022 (5 years)

3. GTA VI was planned in 2017, started production in 2018 and will be done in 2023 (6 years)

4. GTA VI was planned in 2016, started production in 2017 and will be done in 2022 (6 years)

 

The reason why none of these are 7 years like RDRII is because RDRII was in a development hell, with a delay of 1 year and 2 years of pre-production. So it’s safe to assume that GTA VI will be shorter, especially due to Rockstar Games wanting to release games more often.

 

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Len Lfc
13 minutes ago, MrBreak16 said:

The reason why none of these are 7 years like RDRII is because RDRII was in a development hell, with a delay of 1 year and 2 years of pre-production. So it’s safe to assume that GTA VI will be shorter, especially due to Rockstar Games wanting to release games more often.

That logic isn't entirely accurate though. GTA VI has yet to even be announced. So you can't say those things aren't also true of GTA VI. RDR2 was in development hell? Well it's 7 years and counting, so maybe GTA VI is too? Delays happen after it's officially announced, and GTA VI is likely to be delayed also. If GTA VI releases next year, which is incredibly unlikely, then that would put it at 8 years after GTA V, just like RDR2 was 8 years after RDR1.

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mistershine
Posted (edited)
15 hours ago, Len Lfc said:

It's not an actual problem. It was just a turn of phrase. Basically meaning that the location may have already been chosen/set before those comments were made. Meaning that for all the clues gained from those comments, they may have meant nothing since it was already decided.

I think different of your assumption that the clues "mean nothing" as everything was decided  - actually I think it is quite the opposite. And it makes perfect sense to talk after it was decided or close to finalisation - RDR2 took over a year from idea to outlines. 

 

Benz and Dan talked seemingly casually about "a future GTA" 10 resp. 6 years before its aimed release while all pre production decisions (location, timeline, rough scripts, characters, world vision) have been made. So they just provide casual statements on what has been decided and therefore avoid bullsh*tting on totally out-of-touch-scenarious. They even openly say "it won't be anywhere outside America / US". They would not made that statement if they plan on future European-set GTAs (you can call bullsh*t on them when GTA6 is set in Paris, but that will not happen). Remember, in 2012 and 2016 was between 2 next console generations - and a GTA6 concept that was already outlined had to wait for the Power of PS5 and XSX. Once that console concepts were known, changes were inevitable. But that does affect size and scope and not locations. Hope that makes sense.

 

TLDR: I think it makes sense for them to decide first and talk after than the other way round and therefore the clues actually mean a lot.

 

  

15 hours ago, Len Lfc said:

But also being a problem in the sense that the comments made about revisiting Miami in a different time period may end up proving false, since they may have changed the original location after those comments were made.

 

Haha, yeah, of course that time frame can change. This comment by Benz is now 8 years old. Whoever knows what's been decided in the inner circle in the meantime. And luckily so, as this statement was just casual, they can freely change time and setting as they wish and deem necessary.

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Len Lfc
On 4/21/2020 at 11:04 AM, mistershine said:

They even openly say "it won't be anywhere outside America / US". They would not made that statement if they plan on future European-set GTAs

That doesn't prove it was written or decided. That's just what they know it won't be. 

 

On 4/21/2020 at 11:04 AM, mistershine said:

I think different of your assumption that the clues "mean nothing" as everything was decided  - actually I think it is quite the opposite. And it makes perfect sense to talk after it was decided or close to finalisation - RDR2 took over a year from idea to outlines. 

I'll try again. Basically what I mean is, the "Problem" is that I may be connecting dots that are merely coincidence. And the evidence I use to suggest thing may have no direct connection, and are merely coincidence. I'm not saying it's wrong, or it's an actual problem. It's just I may have come to the correct answer by means of an incorrect solution.

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Posted (edited)

Nice topic man thank you for giving your time and writing this topic!

Can you please make a topic full of leaks/rumors/news we had/have about next GTA? (you used some in your first post but how about a topic full of rumors we had? or post list of rumors here pls! like project america and etc ..i want to read all of them ....i know some of them are wasting time and 100% fake ....i mean those rumors that still can be real!)

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EVOLUT7ON

This topic is based only on facts and proved sources (famous and trusted people, high rated media).

If we will post here or making a dedicated thread to each fake leak, then it will be nothing as wishlist or speculation topic.

This place is a quiet harbor of investigators)))

 

If you have a big wish, you can try to create your own topic with all “leaks” and in 3 years we could check who was the closest to the original game)).

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WanteD1
12 minutes ago, EVOLUT7ON said:

This topic is based only on facts and proved sources (famous and trusted people, high rated media).

If we will post here or making a dedicated thread to each fake leak, then it will be nothing as wishlist or speculation topic.

This place is a quiet harbor of investigators)))

 

If you have a big wish, you can try to create your own topic with all “leaks” and in 3 years we could check who was the closest to the original game)).

I guess only project america was real! 

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EVOLUT7ON
3 hours ago, WanteD1 said:

I guess only project america was real! 

Makes sense. The time will show! 

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Len Lfc
4 hours ago, EVOLUT7ON said:

This topic is based only on facts and proved sources (famous and trusted people, high rated media).

If we will post here or making a dedicated thread to each fake leak, then it will be nothing as wishlist or speculation topic.

This place is a quiet harbor of investigators)))

 

If you have a big wish, you can try to create your own topic with all “leaks” and in 3 years we could check who was the closest to the original game)).

Right. initially, it was an attempt to organize the speculation. in 2018 it was a bit rough and messy. Thought I'd put something together using facts, rather than making presumptions on unconfirmed and possibly bullsh*t leaks.

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Orthur The Boah
On 6/3/2020 at 9:28 PM, Len Lfc said:

Right. initially, it was an attempt to organize the speculation. in 2018 it was a bit rough and messy. Thought I'd put something together using facts, rather than making presumptions on unconfirmed and possibly bullsh*t leaks.

I gotta say, this post is the single reason I came to GTA Forums.

 

Also, with GTA 5 re releasing for next gen, do you think GTA VI announcement could be delayed because of that?

 Specifically from being announced this year (October) to next year maybe?

 

 

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Len Lfc
45 minutes ago, OrthurYouDumbass said:

I gotta say, this post is the single reason I came to GTA Forums.

 

Also, with GTA 5 re releasing for next gen, do you think GTA VI announcement could be delayed because of that?

 Specifically from being announced this year (October) to next year maybe?

Thanks! 

 

It's certainly possible that GTA V on next-gen delays GTA VI. But I don't believe it will. We think Ruffian Games are helping with GTA V on next-gen, weather or not they're solely working on it, or with Rockstar Games teams is unclear. But I still belive GTA V on next-gen is filling a gap that was already there. Rather than GTA VI being delayed to release another version of GTA V. We've known for quite a while that GTA VI was in development, and the Ruffian Games partnership with Rockstar is fairly new news.

 

 

Unspecified Titles, plural. Likely GTA V & RDR2, while the bulk of Rockstar Studios are busy with GTA VI.

 

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On 7/3/2020 at 11:56 PM, Len Lfc said:

Thanks! 

 

It's certainly possible that GTA V on next-gen delays GTA VI. But I don't believe it will. We think Ruffian Games are helping with GTA V on next-gen, weather or not they're solely working on it, or with Rockstar Games teams is unclear. But I still belive GTA V on next-gen is filling a gap that was already there. Rather than GTA VI being delayed to release another version of GTA V. We've known for quite a while that GTA VI was in development, and the Ruffian Games partnership with Rockstar is fairly new news.

 

 

Unspecified Titles, plural. Likely GTA V & RDR2, while the bulk of Rockstar Studios are busy with GTA VI.

 

Nice to hear. I'm even okay with them atleast announcing it this year and release on 2023. But seeing in the past it was always a 2 year gap leads me to believe announcement is probably 2021. But then again GTA V was announced one year after scouting leak.

 

Maybe they will change for once and announce it 3 years before release, because of the backlash. Maybe not.im sure they noticed the backlash. Maybe GTA VI announcement is the "A few surprises" they mentioned in Newswire earlier this year.

 

But, with so many Games and next gen consoles launching this year, I'm afraid they will probably wait for it to cool down a little, even though if they announce it, it would get attention no matter the other things happening.

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