Analyzing The Past to Predict the Future - Everything We Should Consider on the Road to GTA VI

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Tl;Dr This is very long. Please don't be mean if you think I went too far. I just wanted to be as detailed as possible, and compile as much evidence and proof as possible, so we can work out the most accurate and likely scenario. I've never done anything like this before. So please be kind.

 

Hi. So, Red Dead Redemption 2 has come and gone. Feels like forever we waited for it. Hard to believe it released almost 4 months ago. It's that time when many of us will start looking forward to the next Rockstar game. I have been on this site since the first leaks for GTA V popped up online. In that time, I have watched fairly quietly, barely getting involved. I've read a lot, and enjoyed it all, but never actively helped out. I want to warn you all that this post will be pretty lengthy, and as I'm not a regular poster, my formating or writing may not be the best. But I'm a big fan of Rockstar Games, and have a weird fascination with remembering small things. So I wanted to try my best to compile everything we know about how Rockstar go about making their games, what they have done in the past and do some crazy conspiracy theory like deducing to try to predict when, where and how we can find clues to GTA VI, and when they may announce or release it.

 

 

Firstly, I'd like to credit and thank Dan Dawkins. Many of you may not know who he is, but long story short, he's a journalist, and back in July 2011 he wrote an article in the magazine PSM3. In the article he predicted many things about GTA V (some correct, some incorrect) he researched all the available data and pooled it together, and used that to speculate about GTA V. That was a massive influence on me growing up, on how to speculate responsibly and use common sense to work out where a game or series may go next. So thank you, Dan!

 

Now, get comfy and get a snack or drink, and read on!

 

FACTS

 

Now, onto the main topic. What do we know about GTA VI? Not a lot. Dan Houser recently said that they're thankful they're not releasing GTA VI while Trump is in office. While he's never actually quoted as saying they won't release it while Trump is in office, I think journalists used that for a catchy headline. But the point remains. GTA is heavily based on British satire of USA. The current political climate makes it very difficult for them to do this. If we take it literally, GTA VI won't release until 2021 or 2025, depending on how long he is in office. Unless I have my dates wrong. I'd be willing to bet they had 2021 in mind. However, my personal take on this was that Dan simply meant "thank god we're not releasing GTA VI in 2018" And knowing it'l take them years to even release their next game, Trump will no longer be President.

 

We also know Rockstar Games will make another GTA. And that is about it. If there is anything else concrete, that we know, that I have missed please let me know.

 

THE PAST

GTA V

 

Here's where we start digging and look to the past, what Rockstar has done before and try our best to work out their timelines and how they go about things. Now, in order to do this, I'd like to begin with GTA V, as that is when Rockstar Games transitioned into the one big game every 5 years, as opposed to the game every year studio.

 

April 20th 2009 the first ever build for GTA V was created. I'm not sure if this is when development officially began, or just the date of the first build. Either way, I doubt there is much difference. They were busy working on TBoGT at that point, having just released TLaD 2 months prior. This was discovered from the Build Log. I will go into detail on this later. However this wasn't discovered until 2014, I just thought it was worth putting here to stamp the timeline.

 

The earliest rumors for GTA V began on July 26th 2010, with reports of Rockstar researching locations in and around Hollywood. Rockstar declined to comment on this, saying they don't comment on "rumors and speculation". To this day we still don't know if this was legit, or otherwise. However the game did end up being set in Los Santos. So it was either true or coincidentally correct.

 

Next came the domain name leaks on February 25th 2011. That date might be off by a couple of days, but the original GTA V Leak Topic has it dated to the 25th. (Fun fact, this is the leak and topic where I signed up to GTAForums!) Very GTA sounding website names. After GTA IV introduced the internet to us, it was no surprise to think GTA V would expand on that, and the domain names registered sounded right out of a GTA game. This was proven true, as the websites did appear in game.

 

On March 8th 2011 more fuel was added to the GTA V fire, when the codenamed "Rush" casting call was leaked online. Like the website, they sounded like something out of a GTA game. 

 

This was further expanded on the 29th of March when Take Two put out a private casting call, further hinting at development on GTA V being well underway.

 

October 5th 2011 In an Asked & Answered article, 2 users asked about the next GTA, with Rockstar replying with the following

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“When are we going to see a new GTA????? #bestgameever” - received via Twitter
“When's the new grand theft auto coming out?” - received via Twitter

Big, big shout to all Grand Theft Auto fans worldwide who we know are anxious to hear about what’s next for the franchise but we don’t have any news at this time.
All we can say is, right now, we’re focused on our next upcoming releases which are Max Payne 3 as well as L.A. Noire for PC, Red Dead Redemption Game of the Year Edition and Max Payne for mobile devices. When and if we have anything to report regarding the Grand Theft Auto franchise, you know that we’ll do so here at the Newswire or on our Twitter or Facebook. 

 

And then it happened. GTA V was officially announced on October 25th 2011 at 12pm BST

 

This announcement came only 20 days after saying the above on October 5th 2011 

This goes to show that Rockstar can say one thing, then surprise us weeks later.

 

The first trailer then debuted on November 2nd 2011

 

Everything past this point, until release I feel is not relevant to this discussion. It is more to do with post announce schedules and marketing, and when to expect news or updates or trailers for an already announced major game. If this topic does well, I could add it, or put it in a spoiler box so it's optional detail. Otherwise the next points worth talking about come into play upon release, and where Rockstar go after this.

 

September 17th 2013 GTA V finally releases. We rejoice.

 

October 1st 2013, two weeks after the launch of GTA V GTA Online launches. 

 

This is where it gets interesting and complicated. We know now that their next game was Red Dead Redemption 2. However, Rockstar weren't finished with GTA V. Many people claim that Rockstar stopped caring about their fans and gamers, citing images like these:

 

 

Now, I bring these up, as it is important to understand just how Rockstar now operate. Love it or hate it, but GTA Online has allowed Rockstar to not release games as often. Allowing them to work on one game as Rockstar Studios, where they all work together, instead of separate teams, like Rockstar North (GTA) and Rockstar San Diego (RDR) for example. The income from GTA Online has seemingly allowed them to spend 5 years working on Red Dead Redemption 2, perfecting a masterpiece. Allowing them to make the game they wanted, and allowing them to take all the time necessary to innovate and make a living breathing world even more so than GTA V did.

 

Some time in January 2014 the GTA V Build Log was found. Apparently it was on the game disc, and dedicated fans dug into the files and found it. I bring this up, as it reveals some key interesting details. such as the date of the first GTA V build/when GTA V development began. This is important as we can use this information later to try to work out when they may start their next project.

Throughout 2014 Rockstar were hard at work developing the PC, PS4 & Xbox One versions of the game. I don't know how much work that would be, but they weren't simple upres versions of the game. They included new features and plenty of big enhancements. The PC version was delayed into 2015 for added polish. And leslie Benzies took a sabbatical on September 1st, for 17 months.

 

The next key detail to note is from January 2016, I think. Leslie Benzies leaves Rockstar North. I feel this is important to note, as it could have delayed a lot of Rockstars plans, as a lot of staff left with him, Rockstar would go on to deal with a lawsuit which could only be an unnecessary distraction. There was a topic here on GTAForums discussing it. Needless to say the whole situation was pretty shady and the details don't really matter too much. 

 

Rockstar had also planned single player DLC for GTA V, multiple datamines suggested 3 packs, as well as Ash735 on Neogaf confirming this. We can take this with a grain of salt, but if it were made up, then it's a pretty dull and uninteresting thing to make up. 

 

They had also promised Heists for GTA Online, which was quickly becoming very popular. I personally believe (And this is where speculation begins) that the SP DLC was the unfortunate victim in all of this. They HAD to get the next gen versions out, as if you're launching an online game, you can't rely on players sticking with old consoles when the next gen consoles launch only 2 months after GTA Online launches. They had to get Heists out, which were promised before the entire game even released. More so than the SP DLC, which was just a closing line on a Newswire article, albeit multiple times. And development on their next game ramping up, going into full production, combined with the restructuring of Rockstar North due to Leslie Benzies leaving... SP DLC may have been an unfortunate victim.

 

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GTA V launches on PS4 & Xbox One on November 18th 2014

PC version launched on April 14th 2015

 

Rockstar Games are now done with development on GTA V, now solely focusing on GTA Online updates, in terms of Grand Theft Auto

 

April 3rd 2014 Thanks to @EVOLUT7ON for bringing this to my attention. In a Q&A with DJ Whoo on BallerStatus, he allegedly reveals he will be in the next GTA, which will be in Liberty City again. BallerStatus. And thanks to iNero for his topic.

 

RDR2

 

August 2013 Roger Clark's first day on set, for Red Dead Redemption 2 

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Roger Clark: "My first day on the project was in August of 2013. With the context of this particular installment, I was the first to come on, apart from Rob and Ben who worked on the previous chapter."

 

4th September 2014 Rockstar San Diego start hiring for next gen consoles. They allegedly went on a hiring spree for an upcoming project. Which we would later find out to be Red Dead Redemption 2.

 

December 11th 2014 Actor Jorge Consejo posts a selfie on Instagram, wearing a typical mocap or performance capture suit. However it doesn't match the one used in GTA V

 

September 2015, [Original Source] Rockstar started hiring for more jobs. They seem to relate to a stealth based game, but so far they haven't released anything that would indicate what they were hired for.

 

Then the leaks start happening...

 

November 29th 2015 An ex Rockstar employee hints that RDR2 is their next project. The infamous “Really, Dumbass. Really? Two“ comment by Danny Ross, on Reddit. Archive of actual post

 

April 13th 2016 the map for RDR 2 leaks on NeoGaf. This was unprecedented. The map for a huge open world Rockstar Games game has never leaked online 6 month before the game was even announced.  Link to the map.

 

October 18th 2016 Rockstar finally announce Red Dead Redemption 2, after teasing in the days leading up to the 18th.

 

July 27th 2017 Stuntman, Tim Neff's online resume leaks that he worked on RDR2 and GTA VI. He denied involvement in RDR2, but claimed he worked on GTA V, and that it was a mistake. He also had personal instagram photos from Rockstar San Diego, with captions strongly suggesting he was there for work. He denied it, saying it was just a photo taken outside that anyone could take. He quickly removed them. He was not credited in GTA V, but by RDR2's release he is indeed credited in RDR2. Tim Neff's resume/CV can be found on his website and on his iStunt page. Interestingly enough, his personal website lists 6 projects, under mocap. 3 of which are untitled. But on his iStunt page, they are all titled. The three hidden titles are; Red Dead Redemption, Grand Theft Auto & Call of Duty. He is listed in the credits for Call of Duty Black Ops 4, which confirm this information is legit and can be trusted. Which only goes on to confirm he is indeed in GTA VI.

 

Friday September 29th 2017 A reddit user posted a thread mentioning a recent leak which had been deleted. I do not know the date that it was originally posted. But it was over a year before the game released. And was entirely accurate. these leaks will serve a purpose later on.

 

December 25th 2017 GTAForums User @Jabalous brings to our Attention the actor Jorge Consejo, his previously mentioned Instagram selfie, and his CV/Resume. Which mentions min being in GTA 6, playing the role "The Mexican" (Featured)

In April of 2018, I'm not sure of the date, maybe the 18th? The article has since been removed. But I copied the article into a notepad file. Trustedreviews.com published an article based of a memo and some notes about the game. They claimed to have received this information in August 2017, but didn't post it due to fears it was fake. It wasn't until Rockstar released a screenshot that matched one that they had also received that they decided to publish this information, now believing it to be genuine. Below is a text copy of this article. 

 

Spoiler

 

Trusted Reviews has received a number of alleged development notes on Red Dead Redemption 2 that reveal gameplay details regarding missions, mechanics, online multiplayer modes, and story.

We first received the documents in August 2017, but decided not to share them, as they were unsubstantiated. Since then, a great deal of the information in the documents has been validated in Red Dead Redemption 2 promotional materials.

Two characters featured in the document, including main protagonist Arthur Morgan, were corroborated by official screenshots released by Rockstar. One character is Dutch Van Der Linde, leader of Dutch’s Gang, while the other appears to be Arthur Morgan.

Related: Best Nintendo Switch Games

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Red Dead Redemption 2
Left image is a press shot released by Rockstar, right is what we received.

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Red Dead Redemption 2
Left image is a press shot released by Rockstar, right is what we received.

Knowing this, we now believe the information to be genuine. Below is the information revealed in the papers, including information about story, modes, characters and more.

Red Dead Redemption 2 Online
According to the notes, Red Dead Redemption 2’s online component will feature ‘Battle Royale’, ‘Revive and Survive’ and ‘Money Grab’ modes.

It remains unknown whether Battle Royale will operate in a similar fashion to PlayerUnknown’s Battlegrounds or Fortnite, but we wouldn’t be surprised if Rockstar hopes to capitalise on the popularity of those two titles.

Revive and Survive pits two teams against each other as they try and stay alive. You’ll have a limited amount of time to revive your teammates before they are eliminated.

Finally, Money Grab features two teams fighting to procure bags of money in a central location. You’re expected to collect and return them to your base as quickly as possible.

Related: Grand Theft Auto 6

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The memo also states, much like GTA Online, players will be free to explore the open-world although it will supposedly provide far more depth than Rockstar’s previous online efforts. For example, NPCs will decorate storefronts with amenities and pack things away once night comes.

Frequent rewards will be handed out to players for completing certain tasks. These might range from traveling a certain distance to murdering an enemy using a bow from 100 metres away.

Apartments from GTA Online will return in the form of tents which can be owned and upgraded by players. These are purchased in the open-world and also come in a variety of different themes.

Online play will include access to a number of shops and NPCs which can provide the players with equipment and missions. Free Events can also be organised outside of standard playlists like spontaneous treasure hunts and deathmatches.

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The development notes claim a companion app is in the works to launch alongside Red Dead Redemption 2 later this year. Alongside social elements, it will also include a poker minigame of sorts.

You will allegedly be able to partake in a variety of activities across the world of RDR2 such as gold-mining, fishing, herding and an assortment of weapon challenges.

Red Dead Redemption 2 gameplay – new features?
The memo received by Trusted Reviews touches upon several new mechanics that will be a part of Red Dead Redemption 2.

Throughout the open world, you’ll discover several locations including Armadillo and Ridgewood. These are populated with various NPCs including general store owners, gunsmiths and undertakers. You can also partake in gambling if you’re hoping to risk it all for financial gain.

A Slums Market will apparently be a method of procuring equipment at a reduced price. You can expect NPCs to be navigating these places in accordance with RDR 2’s day/night cycle, too.

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Vehicles in the game will include minecarts, handcarts and horse-drawn carriages. These come in different variants such as armoured and fast ones, although we’re unsure if you can customise them yourself.

The document hints at railway trains being available as modes of transport across the open world. In addition, they’ll be fully explorable with unique inhabitants and dialogue.

Aside from the solo campaign, details of which we won’t spoil, side activities will also be available.

Horsemanship challenges can be completed to increase your rider rank while dozens of different fish can be captured across the world.

Plants and herbs can be gathered for crafting purposes, with the document listing types including Clamshell, Ghost, Night Scented, Rat Tail and Spider Orchids.

You’ve also got fishing, which seems to be in-depth with a selection of baits and tackles available for purchase. You can even buy a can of worms. 

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Red Dead Redemption 2 will allow you to play both the main campaign and multiplayer in first-person. The document states the game will have bespoke animations to fit the style.

Dead Eye makes a return with enhanced abilities including tracking bounties through fields and detecting which fish and animals are available nearby.

The memo mentions Random Events which appear to follow in the footsteps of Grand Theft Auto 5’s Strangers and Freaks. Details are sketchy, but it will feature bounty hunting quests, treasure hunts and adventures with a mysterious stranger.

Specific player actions during campaign missions will lead to events unfolding differently depending on which characters you interact with. This could lead to different mission outcomes, objectives and dialogue depending on how you behave morally in each playthrough.

Just like most other Rockstar titles, a wanted level is displayed at the top of the screen and can increase or decrease depending on how the player acts.

Assaulting pedestrians is considering a low-severity crime while holding up a saloon and murdering everyone will be taken more seriously.

The document states that if enemies are injured in a certain way or taken off horseback you can trigger contextual dialogue and force them to offer information or monetary gain in return for sparing their life.

 

We’ve contacted Rockstar Games for comment regarding the documents we’ve received.

What are your thoughts on a potential Red Dead Redemption 2 Battle Royale mode? Let us know on Facebook and Twitter @trustedreviews.

 

 

 

November 1st 2018 Rockstar sue TrustedReviews for £1M Essentially proving the leak to be true. Although the game itself proves it to be true, it's interesting that Rockstar sued for that much. Or sued at all. 

 

January 6th 2019 Rockstar start hiring for next generation 

Rockstar's career opening page - Credit to @el carlitos for that one!

 

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On October 13th 2019, after looking into the scouting document, I made this discovery.

 

January 30th (Specific date still debatable) Film Florida have guest Leah Sokolowsky on their podcast. She briefly mentions a recent change in her work

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Recently as you're aware we've had a change in the types of productions that are coming to our state. So I've also been very fotunate to get a large client that has hired me to arrange basically site tours and visits. It's uh digital media company. And I've signed an NDA so I can't disclose who it is. But they've been exploring various areas of our state, and of other states in the south east. And I've been planning and arranging those visits for their personnel and that's been kind of a very interesting expansion of what I normally do, as well.

https://filmflorida.org/podcast/episode-16-leah-sokolowsky/

 

 

It's suggested this is Take Two Interactive/Rockstar Games, as a reddit user claimed on October 6th 2019 scouts were looking around his area, and asked for permission to take photographs of the building. Which was later followed up by a photograph of an alledged document/contract as proof on October 8th 2019

 

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February 13th 2019 VP of product development Jeronimo Barrera departs Rockstar Games after 20 years. This might not seem anything significant, but it's one of his quotes that I think it very important. 

"If I had stayed at Rockstar it would have been more GTAs, more RDRs and less of this other stuff going on out there right now." While that is nothing concrete. It does indicate that Rockstar will be working on Red Dead and GTA for the foreseeable future. That won't surprise many of us, but it's just a little detail that gives us hope that GTA is next, and not another franchise like Bully, L.A. Noire or Max Payne, for example.

 

April 18th 2019 a former Rockstar India employee has mention of creating vehicles for GTA V and upcoming GTA 6 in his artstation resume Thanks to @ApolloThunder

 

Now those are the most important details I feel. Now I may have missed some other details people might find important. In August of 2017 the stunt actor Tim Neff was involved in a alleged leak for RDR2 & GTA 6. It was quickly 'debunked' Although many believed there were holes in the methods used to debunk it. And his removal of Instagram photos taken at Rockstar San Diego was suspicious to many users. I do not believe it holds enough water to use it as any evidence. But we can use it to speculate.

 

July 9th 2019 Jorge Consejo likes and quotes my tweet about him being in GTA 6. He has since deleted the tweet.

 

 

 

 

Now We Use All This Information to Speculate

 

The first clues we should look for are reports of Rockstar scouting locations. We know from articles and or interviews that Rockstar take thousands of photographs when creating their worlds, so any reports of Rockstar Staff i researching locations should be a very good indication. However, they can be very secretive.

 

Same goes for Rockstar or Take Two registering domain names or sending out casting calls. So far we've heard nothing of the sort. again, we don't always hear these things. I don't recall hearing anything about casting for RDR2 at any point between 2012 & 2016. 

 

Combined with the fact that Rockstar only just released RDR2 4 months ago. I think it's pretty safe to sat development on their next game hasn't fully begun yet, or will do very soon. If we look back to the build log for GTA V, they created the first build on April 20th 2009. pretty much one year after GTA IV released. By that logic the first build for GTA VI would have been created in September 2014, right? Well, considering they had to work on the next gen and PC versions for so long. I'd wager they started much, much later. We know that these days Rockstar operate as Rockstar Studios, all working together on one game at a time. But if the NeoGaf user is to be believed, pre production for GTA VI began in 2012, which is actually entirely believable. As Rockstar began work on RDR2 almost immediately after RDR1. "In early 2011, Dan began chatting with Rockstar San Diego about how Red Dead Redemption 2 would look and who the characters would be. Late that summer, he says, he had a “broad outline and rough flow of the game defined.” By fall 2012, his team had completed rough scripts for many of the game’s missions and started doing read-throughs on video conference calls with directors of game play, art design, and animation from Rockstar offices around the world. " Source

 

Now, unlike Red Dead Redemption, Grand Theft Auto is not a game about specific characters, like RDR is with John and Dutch's gang. So It's safe to say after GTA V, the Housers did not sit down and come up with scripts or ideas for GTA 6 revolving around those characters. But never say never. They could use this as an opportunity to bring back Michael Franklin & Trevor, working of some of the ideas for the Story DLC for GTA V, instead of scrapping it entirely. For the first time ever, GTA could be a direct sequel using the same protagonists. This however, I believe to be incredibly unlikely. But I thought it was worth mentioning.

 

So, they've finished RDR2. What Are Rockstar doing now? I believe they're hard at work on the PC version of the game. Many people don't believe it will release on PC, citing the fact that RDR1 never released on PC as evidence. I don't believe that is fair, as we know RDR1 was a mess, and was in such a bad state that they were lucky to release it at all. Rumours and alleged leaks stated the game was a coded mess, and they weren't willing to go through all the hassle of porting it to PC. We also know PC games typically have a high paracy rate, and Rockstar aren't fond of spending all that development time and cost on such an effort for little reward. Here's a clip of Lazlow talking about releasing their games on PC, and joking wanting to make their money back first. It's from 2010, right before RDR1 released. I think he was making a joke, but hiding the truth in there. Which leads me to believe that RDR2 could come to PC, but in order to make their money on that, also release it on PS5 & the Next Xbox, like they did for GTA V. Considering the gap between GTA V on PS3 & 360 and GTA V on PC (19 months) we could see a similar gap with RDR2 on PC. If that is the case, we could see a PC release in May 2020. At which point next gen consoles would likely have been announced, assuming Sony repeat their February reveal as they did with PS4. Or soon to be revealed at E3 a month later. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that they re release on Next gen with native 4K on PS5, higher frame rates, or other enhanced features. Next gen consoles will be backwards compatible, but if they want to keep RD Online going, a newer version with higher player counts could be a good option.

 

Speaking of next gen consoles, until specs are set in stone, I don't think Rockstar will announce anything. Devkits are allegedly being sent to some developers right now. Sony first party studios are already working on PS5 games. Guerilla, for example. I'd wager Sony's relationship with Rockstar is a good bet to think they have them, too. So, what does this mean?

 

Well, let's look at when Rockstar announced RDR2. 18th October 2016. 18 months after the PC release of GTA V, 3 years, 1 month after the initial release of GTA V. Lets assume they stick to a similar pattern, both GTA V & RDR2 were announced in October. It could be a good bet for what month to expect an announcement. However, GTA IV was announced in May 2006, with Peter Moore's infamous Tattoo. So... 

 

Now let's look at when Rockstar started hiring for RDR2, which was September 2014. It took them 2 years to announce their next game. And they had the base map planned out within 19 months. We just don't know when the photo of the map was taken, just when it was leaked to the public (april 2016). But we do know Rockstar always start with the world.  For GTA V, that discussion started as GTA IV was wrapping up – almost five years ago – although the latest game has been in full production for just three years.

“It comes from the idea first,” Benzies tells us in his office at the studio.

“Where is it going to be set is the first question. Then that defines the missions; you’re doing different things in LA than in New York or Miami. The map and story get worked up together, and the story is a basic flow of how it works out so you can layer the missions in. Source

 

I think we can safely say that Rockstar already know where the game will be set, and Aaron Garbut is already hard at work at creating a concept of a map. If he hasn't already.

 

Based of that information, I'd say Rockstar are hiring for their next game, which will be PS5 and Next Xbox exclusive, Likely to be GTA 6, and will need 2 - 3 years of development before they are able to reveal it with a trailer. Putting the game at a 2021 - 22 reveal, with a 2023 - 24  release. I do believe the upcoming generation, and Rockstars desire to outdo themselves every time will only slow them down. Their games take so long to develop, and I can't see them putting out GTA 6 in the same timeframe as GTA V, from GTA IV. More likely to be similar, if not longer than GTA V to RDR2.

 

The Leaks
 

Remember when I said the leaks would serve a purpose later on? I find it highly suspicious that Rockstar had leaks as substantial as they had for RDR2, when they never had anything to that level before. They are usually incredibly watertight. So let's speculate as to why...

 

The Benz. Isn't it strange how such a long time influential figure at Rockstar North was fired, and then leaks start popping up for their next game? It's no secret that there was more to his firing that we initially thought. Things went really bad between The Benz and The Housers. I think when he left the company, and many of his staff left, too. A lot of disgruntled employees may has decided to spill the beans on their next game out of spite. The entire game map leaking 6 months before the game was even announced, Epilogue spoilers down to finite details such as building a house or birthing a foal? Way too specific, and that's never happened for a Rockstar game before. I just find that suspicious. 

 

So, why is that relevant to GTA 6? Well, it may end up not being relevant at all. But then I remembered the leak from last year, that stated GTA 6 was set in Vice City. Back then, I didn't believe it at all, as it was way too detailed for a game that wasn't even announced, and wouldn't be announced for at least 2 more years. Likely double that. Plus why did they choose The Know? And an anonymous source is always suspicious. But hey, nobody would be dumb enough to give their actual identity if it were legit. 

 

But then I started thinking a while ago, at how detailed the RDR2 leaks were, and maybe, just maybe the person who tipped off The Know was legit, and the info was based of what was in pre production from 2012 [Unofficial Source]. The more I thought about it, I realized that Vice City, with the concept of crossing the border to South America is a simple enough concept that could have been decided upon during pre production (the world is the first thing they decide, remember?)

 

Why Vice City

 

2 reasons why it's starting to feel like a likely location. Reason one, GTA Online. They introduced businesses and gunrunning into GTA Online, and a lot of people enjoy that stuff. Vice City would be a great location to create content around that concept. I don't believe Rockstar would pick a location based on what would make Online popular, but after GTA Online's huge popularity after GTA V, they'd be stupid to ignore it. Reason 2 was the quote Dan Houser gave about not releasing GTA 6 during Trumps presidency. Again, I believe it's taken a little out of context, but it's his words about satirising America is what caught my eye.

 

"Both intense liberal progression and intense conservatism are both very militant, and very angry. It is scary but it’s also strange, and yet both of them seem occasionally to veer towards the absurd," Houser said. "It’s hard to satirize for those reasons. Some of the stuff you see is straightforwardly beyond satire. It would be out of date within two minutes, everything is changing so fast." Source

 

Then there was this quote from Leslie Benzies, also covered in The Knows video:

 

IGN Source

 

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Any chance that Vice City might return in a future GTA? 

 

It is always a possibility. There are a few references to the city in our current-gen GTAs so it is part of that HD universe, and it is certainly somewhere we would love to revisit. However Vice City, perhaps more than any other GTA game, was as much about the era as the setting. Miami in the 1980’s is so iconic it would feel strange to revisit the city in a different time period.

 

exploring grand theft auto vice city's lasting impact on gamer culture with rockstars Leslie Benzies city cover
Of course at some point we would like to have one big world containing all our cities and let the player fly between them and revisit their favorite areas, and in that context reimagining Vice City would be very interesting.

 

 

So according to Rockstar, albeit someone who is no longer at Rockstar, it would be strange to go back to Vice City in a modern day setting. If you combine that with what Dan Houser said about parodying America today, and how difficult that would be, is it possible that the next game could be set in the past? Again, combining those quotes, with alleged leaks, and the possibility for fun and exciting gameplay and Online experiences... Vice City is an incredibly likely setting.

 

The only problem is GTA 6 going into pre production in 2012. If the location was decided upon then. It would either be a happy coincidence, or they may have changed the location. Or, it never was Vice City, and this speculation is clever, but ultimately wrong.

 

One key piece of information is the Neogaf user, who allegedly states that it WON'T be Vice City. Citing that production notes going around when he still worked there stated possible locations and concepts. And that it is likely one of the 4 options listed in the quoted thread. 

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Small town gta - tight stories, scheduled characters, ridiculous levels of ambience, every home interior modelled. Every building enterable. More realism - if your wanted you are on the run for a while.

 

Vegas 1970s- CASINO?

 

Somewhere snowy - chicago/detroit

 

Mexico City

 

I don't quite know what to make of this. Personally, I absolutely trust Ash. If you ever read this, I hope you don't mind me doing all of this, but you seem to have some useful knowledge. But also, plans change. And you have to consider that what they may have decided in 2012 changed, due to the popularity of GTA Online. They could have chosen a smaller, more detailed interactive world. But due to Online, decided they needed a larger world. Or the location wasn't right due to modern politics and ability to satirize, etc.

 

I do think GTA could return to the past eventually. Sam Houser has an incredible knowledge of pop culture, and is very intelligent. It would work well for them to go back to an older setting for a GTA game again. That isn't proof of that, or even a solid reason for them to do a prior setting. His knowledge can be used in any setting, past or present. But it's an interesting piece of information to think about. 

 

Another possibility is Dan's words were as simple as GTA 6 won't release while Trump is in office, and therefore GTA 6 will be set in the present day, but by then the political climate may have settled down, or they think/hope things will be different by then, and what they choose to parody will be easier. I don't know.

 

More recently, at the end of December 2020. I was made aware of this podcast. Unfortunately it is in German. So if any of you out there speak German, a transcript of the important parts would be great. But as far as I'm aware, it details how the DJ Adam Port, who is part of 'Keinemusik' was DJing at a party for a group of Rockstar developers. Sam Houser was allegedly among them.

 

On 12/30/2020 at 11:56 PM, WombR4aid3r said:

basically the guy who is interviewed in the podcast is part of Kleinemusik in the new update. He says he worked on the DLC about 9 months ago, and he met the rockstar team while he was DJ'ing at a party for rockstar developers and Sam Houser in Miami

Most likely related to the next GTA

 

On 12/31/2020 at 8:43 AM, Itscoming2020 said:

its an interview with adam port from keinemusik ( new gta update)

 

AT 17:23: "... (SAM Houser ) .... liked what we do, that he invited us to MIAMI to a party with Circoloco that they organized together with R *, for their programmers. They invited their programmers who were working on the game to the USA and they did things there, like driving Lambos, going to the Shooting Range ... "  "..... They should experience what they programming in real life" thats exactly what he said.

 

The work with R* for this Update was about 9 Month

 

 

Then there was this interview with 'Rampa' who is another member of Keinemusik, which was published on November 27th 2019. Specifically this excerpt from the interview is very interesting.

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Today he’s cheerful despite being slightly sick. Rampa has just come back from a tour of the East Coast with his good friend and Keinemusik comrade &ME. And after spending five days partying with other headliners and the dudes from Rockstar Games, he’s feeling slightly under the weather.

 

It gives us a rough date of when that tour and party in Miami took place. Depending on how long after the interview took place, it was published. We can presume the tour and parties were late November 2019. What does this mean? Not much, specifically. But it would appear Sam Houser is making friends with DJ's and enjoying the night life. But it also suggests Sam is putting his new DJ friends into his games, in the form of GTA Online updates. But why were Rockstar developers/programmers in Miami, driving Lamborghini's and at shooting ranges? Maybe they were just having fun. Or maybe they're there specifically to capture Miami, for their new game, GTA VI.

 

We know Sam Houser is a big fan of Miami Vice. Like... a very big fan. Check out this excerpt from asn interview with Sam Houser "The Making of Grand Theft Auto: Vice City"

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What were the points of inspiration for Vice City?
When we were doing the London pack on the first GTA, the idea we had after that was to do Miami in the ’80s, but for one reason or another it didn’t come together. So you’ve got the idea and it’s about gangsters and the mobster underculture, and a celebration of all things along those lines, and you think, where do we take this now? With something like the GTA series there are a lot of options – you can have more fun in Liberty City, or you can do this or do that – but as we were all talking the idea that seemed to have the most meat on it, the one that had the most material that we could work with – in a lot of areas we’re interested in: the vibe, the storytelling, the culture, the fashion, the music and on and on and on – was Miami in the ’80s. To me, it’s still hands-down the grooviest era of crime because it didn’t even feel like it was crime. You had Cuban hitmen coming across and gunning people down in the street, but it was still celebrated in a sort of haze of cocaine and excess and Ferraris and Testarossas, and it was a totally topsy-turvy back-to-front period of time. It was everything that was crazy about the ’80s, and it was in America so it was crazier – and geographically it’s the gateway to the whole of Latin America and the Caribbean, and so everything floods in there.

It was a place that I had grown up loving. As kids, Scarface was one of our favourite films. That’s a totally played-out remark, and most people will try not to say that because they’ve seen things like Scent Of A Woman and some of Al Pacino’s other pieces of work that are a little bit more questionable, but with Scarface, we could put it on here now and you and I within five minutes would be saying, “Actually, let’s watch it – it’s great, isn’t it?” It’s an amazing film.

But the thing that was more of a direct influence was Miami Vice, because it’s a little bit later. Scarface is earlier, like ’83, and it kind of looks it, but Miami Vice was ’84 to ’89, about five seasons, 110 or so episodes, and I’ve seen them all many times. Before you could get them on DVD I bought them off eBay – the crappiest quality VHS copies you’ve ever seen, and I have them all. What blew me away about that series – and Michael Mann is, I think, a visionary film maker – is that each episode was 50 minutes long, and they sort of hit on all the bases in every episode. It was very adult – I remember at the time watching it and thinking that it was very risqué. But it was an incredibly slick show, and when we were first talking about it, everyone was kind of laughing, like: “What are you on about?” And I was like, “No, no, no – it’s so slick”. Just in terms of music alone, when you look at the tracks that Miami Vice used, it’s an amazing list, and Michael Mann would create these miniature pop videos in every show which would be montages. So his use of music in the show was remarkable. A dream of mine and Dan [Houser]’s is to have a montage in a game, actually. We’re on our way; we’ll get it one day – a montage of your experiences set to music. Come on, that’s going to be amazing, right?

Also, Michael Mann’s use of colour and light is wonderful. Miami is such a beautiful place anyway, so the light is gorgeous, but his use of night lighting made it so glossy and sexy. He’s also an expert in the use of weapons, and we met all of the weapons experts who worked on Miami Vice. We got into the details in a hardcore way.

 

Then the other thing I loved – and we all loved, actually, although initially there was a lot of arm twisting that had to go on in order to make people watch it – was that each show was kind of like a mission. It may have had a few cool little action sequences in it which were novel, but the overarching story was like a mission, so there was so much cool stuff to take in, whether it was the vehicles they used – incredible cars, incredible helicopters, incredible boats – or whatever. While we were finishing GTAIII I would even go home at lunchtimes and watch episodes, and I did that for about a year – it was all I watched. You could sit there and watch it and get stills of so many moments in the show from just one episode and I’d think: “If we can just get that or this or that…” I remember Aaron [Garbut, GTA series art director] working so hard just to get the neon the way he wanted it. He’d been to Miami and he’d seen it in the show, and he knew exactly what he was looking for but it was so difficult [to achieve]. But when he got it right, you were just like [snaps fingers]: “That’s it!”

So there were plenty of other things that influenced us but I would have to say the strongest influence of all became Miami Vice – more so than Scarface, even though the story is more of a Scarfacey story. You can’t beat Miami Vice’s style, its production values, and its focus on details. Michael Mann went on to be one of the best film makers around, but Miami Vice just resonated with us. So hard.

 

As you can see, he's a big fan of Miami, and the show; Miami Vice. If you haven't seen it, go watch it now. It's fantastic! So, is it not likely that Sam has reached a point in his life where perhaps he's feeling a bit nostalgic and wants to revisit one of his favourite locations, Miami, and recreate it in the next Grand Theft Auto? Individually, these pieces of evidence can be rather inconclusive. But put them all together, and they begin to form a much larger whole.

 

At this point, any doubts that the next Grand Theft Auto will be set anywhere but Miami should be completely put to bed. The only remaining question should be... when is it set? the 80's? Modern day? If Sam is interested in including his friends and favourite DJs in his games, then perhaps that indicates we'll be staying in modern times. Or perhaps he's including these DJ's in Grand Theft Auto Online, since he can't put them in GTA VI, which is set decades in the past. Or... both, and it's set in modern day. The comments made by Dan Houser, which I'd previously theorised could be an indication they'd prefer to play in a past setting, since modern times had become much more difficult to satirize, could very easily be irrelevant since Dan left Rockstar in Spring 2019 (yes 2019, that's when he took a sabbatical. he just didn't officially leave until a year later). Perhaps Sam took creative control and changed the course of GTA VI from what it originally once was? Could also explain a part of the significantly longer wait for the next Grand Theft Auto title.

 

 

How about Las Venturas?

 

For the past few months, I've been thinking about the possibility of GTA 6 being set in Las Venturas. It's one of the locations mentioned as a possibility by @Ash_735 It's also a location that would be quite large, although not hugely diverse. However creative freedoms could solve that. If they return to a past setting as theorised. Then Las Venturas in the 70's or 80's could be seen as a pretty cool option. Like a lot of people, I'm a fan of Joe Rogan. Recently he had a guest on his podcast, Bob lazar. Whether you believe him or not is irrelevant. But he tells some interesting stories about working near Area 51, and working on alien UFO's. that really got me thinking... Wouldn't that be a perfect location for Rockstar to have some fun with? GTA V and RDR2 both featured UFO easter Eggs. There was a lot of mysteries tied to Mt. Chiuliad and Fort Zancudo. Can you imagine Area 69 returning, and what Rockstar may do with that? Now I fully understand that saying they may do a certain location, based of nothing other than easter eggs is a bit silly, but what else do we have? However, it does tie in with the notes (Vegas 1970's Casino?). Before RDR2 we never believed Rockstar would create a game, and build of a previous games map. After RDR2, we now know it's possible. I'm still not convinced they'd do it with GTA, as the GTA series is always an island, whereas RDR1 was a landlocked location. However, it is possible, however unlikely that they could build of Southern San Andreas and go east to Las venturas.

 

 

[Updated] Final Thoughts

 

In the months since I wrote this thread, I decided to revisit my final thoughts. Most of them still stand, although some small things have changed. New leaks or hints suggest an announcement could be sooner than initially thought, so I decided it was time for a rewrite. I've kept the original thoughts below in a spoiler box, as I don't see any reason to remove it, as it's fun to look back in the future and see how accurate it was. Also due to the COVID-19 situation, many plans have been postponed, and game releases have been delayed. Some due to logistical issues, like TLoU Part II. Others because WFH has impacted their development. All in all, the COVID-19 pandemic has muddied the waters slightly. I have made some edits, some typos and minor mistakes I didn't notice until now. And worded some things better, as I worded some things poorly, in hindsight. It is also difficult editing these thoughts after such a long time.

 

So I initially thought we wouldn't have an announcement any time soon, certainly not in 2019. Rockstar still have unfinished business with RDR2. But recently the PC edition has been announced and scheduled for release on November 5th 2019 I still think it's possible for Rockstar to rerelease RDR2 on next gen systems, after the announcement of GTA V coming to next-gen consoles, it only makes sense to have their most recent online service based game, Red Dead Online made available on next-gen consoles, also. If they're willing to upset fans by selling a new version of GTA V, then we can presume RDR2 would be a seperate release also. Otherwise, Rockstar may well be done with RDR2 (Note RDR2 and RD Online are separate products in their eyes). The removal of the RDR2 branding from the Rockstar North studio may have been an indication that 'that time has passed'. I also said until we start hearing rumours about Rockstar scouting locations we shouldn't expect to hear anything. Well, as it turns out Film Florida were recently working with a digital media company to organize site tours around south east Florida and nearby states as far back as January 2019, maybe even before then. There's no indication of who that company is, but it may well be Rockstar Games. Combined with a reddit user who claimed to receive a contract to sign, to grant permission to scout their area. 

 

My opinion still stands that we could be waiting until 2021 for an announcement, although I am willing to admit we could see an announcement in 2020. It just depends on how Rockstar wish to deal with things. Some people still hope for a Bully II announcement this year, But at this point, and especially after Dan Housers' departure, I don't think we're likely to see a Bully title for a very long time. If ever. Jason Schreier said the next Grand Theft Auto was their next title, anway. Which is still "early in development" as of April 2020.

 

In my mind I have 3 key dates for potential announcements:

Tuesday 22nd  October 2019 - Highly unlikely, but technically possible (if Bully II happens, this will be when it's announced)

Tuesday 20th October 2020 - Unlikely, the closer we get the more leaks and tidbits of info we'll hear to make it more plausible. My only concern is announcing GTA 6 on top of new consoles launching. Although Sony could announce on their behalf. There are growing rumours Sony paid $750M for exclusivity to a BIG game, in some form.

Tuesday 19th or 26th October 2021 - My personal estimate. Gives them ample time to work on the game and allow for a good install base to sell to. Not even counting the units sold after this announcement.

Tuesday 18th October 2022 - Given that I wrote the vast majority of this in February 2019, a lot has changed in the past 2 years. Most importantly COVID-19. Which has delayed many things in the world. A 2022 announcement is a lot more likely after significant delays to movies and games in 2020. The announcement of Grand Theft Auto V: Expanded & Enhanced, which is due for release in the second half of 2021 could indicate they plan to announce GTA VI in 2022.

 

I wholeheartedly believe that 2021 is the year for an announcement. But if those rumours about scouting Florida are true, it is possible an announcement may be made sooner than I believed. I expected a similar gap between RDR2 and GTA 6, like we had between GTA V and RDR2. However, if my speculation is true and that had a lot more to do with Rockstar Norths restructuring, in the wake of Leslie Benzies departure. And RDR2 being a highly ambitious game that had to tie into RDR1, being a story driven game that requires much more care and attention to detail than any other game. The gap this time may well be shorter... or the same and they're just faced with different but equally challenging issues. I just don't know how COVID-19 will impact things, at all. It's safe to presume performance capture would have been put on hold, while what development remains possible will be done from home. The projected timeline may have shifted back a few months, or nothing will change publically, and behind the scenes there will be changes. For example, they may have planned to have a shorter gap between announcement and release, but that may no longer be feasible. Just a guess.

 

In the summer of 2020, Rockstar announced Grand Theft Auto V will be coming to PS5 & Xbox Series X in the second half of 2021, and will be "Expanded & Enhanced". We still don't know what that means. However, it does seem to suggest that they have no plans to announce the next Grand Theft Auto in 2021. As it would seem strange to release a GTA V remaster as you're about to, or have just released the next-gen GTA V version. But since Rockstar were unwilling to put a date on its release (Just a vague 'second half of 2021') it would suggest they aren't even sure when it will be ready. To me this implies a couple of potential things. They want it out as soon as possible, but instead of just picking the latest date (ie; Fall 2021) they just gave a 6 month period. Why? Perhaps they want it out in the summer, as they'd like to have the Autumn/Fall period clear. Perhaps for a potential announcement?

 

Having the GTA V remaster also gives them extra time to develop GTA VI. And also wait for the install size to grow. A win win situation for Rockstar and Take-Two.

 

I used to agree about the install base of next gen consoles, and I still do, more or less. But one thing I did not originally factor was the fact that there are more people playing games in 2020, than there were in 2013. For example, look at PlayStations tweets announcing the PS4 vs PS5:

 

 

PS4 has 13K likes, and 18.9K people talking about it. But PS5 has 216K likes and 99K people talking about it. Now, sure, this may be more of an indication that social media has grown. But still, more people are interested in gaming today, than in 2013. Plus, we expect the adoption rate to be faster, due to backwards compatibility. Back in 2013, you couldn't play your old games on a PS4 or X1. So many people waited until the new consoles were 'worth buying'. in 2020, you'll be able to play most, if not all your PS4 or X1 games on a PS5 or Series X. Not to mention see significant improvements in load times, thanks to the SSD alone. Maybe even enhancement patches for some 2019/2020 games?

 

I still expect a 2023 release for GTA VI. But I'm less convinced that Rockstar will want to wait for an install base to grow to a big enough size. And Rockstar surely know it's going to be tough to beat GTA V's day 1 sales. $1BN in 2 days is going to be extremely difficult to beat. They won't wait, just so they can beat that. But they'll certainly stand a chance of matching lifetime sales, if GTA VI is anything like GTA V.

 

To close, I think an announcement will be made in the typical mid to late October  2021, with the release being in 2022 (expect a launch date to be 1 year later, only to be delayed once or twice. Ending up at 2 years later). Accounting for the impact of COVID-19, working from home, and the closure of performance capture studios. The announcement could be delayed by 6 months to a year. The game will take place in Vice City and surrounding countryside and swamps, and be a reimagining of Miami and surrounding areas, just like what GTA V did for L.A. It will focus on building a criminal empire, and the games main mechanic will be how the player chooses to smuggle goods (Drugs, weapons, etc) and how they choose to build their empire. Much like GTA V was about Heists. GTA VI will be about building your empire. If I had to guess they may go back to the past, to avoid out of date satire and the current political climate, and to take advantage of infamous drugs lords of that era. However, similar themes in a modern setting are still possible. And modern technology such as drones and other hi-tech gadgets could add in some fun gameplay that are not possible, otherwise.

 

5 year gap between Red Dead redemption (2018) & Grand Theft Auto VI (2023) feels about right. However because of the pandemic, COVID-19 could very easily delay these events.

 

Just remember Speculate Responsibly.

 

 

 

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[Original] Final Thoughts

 

Until we begin hearing rumours, weather that be Rockstar spotted scouting or registering domain names, I'm not expecting anything any time soon. Rockstar aren't finished with RDR2 yet, although they are absolutely preparing for their next game, we just don't know what it is yet. If it isn't GTA 6, that would mean GTA 6 would release well over a decade after 5. And while that may be okay for Rockstar, especially with GTA Online keeping the game going, people aren't as eager for GTA 6. Remember 2011, when GTA V was announced It had only been 3 and a half years, 2 since Gay Tony, but it felt like we hadn't had any GTA content in forever. Whereas now, it hasn't gone away long enough to feel it. Maybe that's just me.

 

I think what we have to remember, is that GTA is a British game based of parodying America. It isn't as simple as it just being a car driving, shooting crime based game. It's so much more than that. And when Sam & Dan Houser create a new GTA game, the theme, setting, and satire are the most important things of all. If they feel they can't satirise GTA, it may be likely that they will move onto another project that is not GTA, and keep GTA Online going further. But that is hard to see actually happening.

 

I think we should expect an announcement after they have had at least 2 years of development time. If the first build of GTA V was April 2009, with the announcement in October 2011, then let's say 3 years to account for advances in technology (games are harder to make, more detailed etc) and working with a new generation that isn't even revealed yet, and developing potential PC and maybe a next gen version. Then let's say it could be announced May or October 2022. With the typical 2 year gap between announcement and release. GTA 6 will release in 2024, 11 years after GTA V, and around 6 years after RDR2. The only thing that throws a spanner in the works is not knowing if they have had a small team in pre production working on GTA VI, or for how long. I say we may wait 3 years before we even get an announcement, but for all we know they've had a head start for the past 6-12 months...

 

As a GTA fan, that's a painful thought waiting that long.

 

Ash also commented on Twitter about RD Online not performing as well as hoped, which could lead to a PC release of RDR2 coming sooner than expected. Although he's not sure what that means for SP content. I only bring this up, as if RD Online isn't as big as hoped (although remember it took GTA Online a while to get rolling, and RD Online is still in Beta) it could encourage Rockstar to release future content sooner than if they had the luxury of time, due to critical and financial success of Online modes. Whether that be DLC, or new games, just a thought.

 

I really hope you guys appreciate this post. I know it's f*cking long, but I wanted to go in depth. I love these forums, but a lot of speculation seems way too heavy on fantasy, and wishful thinking. So I wanted to analyze as much as possible and really go in deep on it. I think I have covered everything I wanted to cover. Although I'm sure there is something I likely missed. But at this point, it is likely long enough already. Please don't be mean if it's too long. But I'd really love people to work with all this information, and over the coming months and years, keep adding to this and keep speculating. 

 

Just remember Speculate Responsibly.

Edited January 1, 2021 by Len Lfc
Updated information, 1st January 2021

[Journey_95]

Good post, some interesting info here how the last two Rockstar games releases went down.

 

A GTA VI announcement in 2022 would definitely be disappointing but at the same time I wouldn't be surprised. It's not just Rockstar not making more games because they get so much money from GTA:O, in general developers seem to take much longer for games these days.

 

I still hope we get an announcement next year at least and a release in 2022, that would be ok

[vladicorp]

This is interesting Analysis but I really hope that the reality is different and th GTA VI will be announces earlier. Also hope they will not loose time making games like bully or midnight club... 

[___Lessy___]

Awesome work, mate!

Most people don't realize the amount of work which should the developers make, the difficulty of work and the pressure from a gaming society if they want to lead the gaming industry. Let's not forget about copy-paste games from the developers which drop every year or two...

When R* writes a book, the rest are just making new chapters for it, but no more than that...

[Len Lfc]

13 hours ago, Journey_95 said:

Good post, some interesting info here how the last two Rockstar games releases went down.

 

A GTA VI announcement in 2022 would definitely be disappointing but at the same time I wouldn't be surprised. It's not just Rockstar not making more games because they get so much money from GTA:O, in general developers seem to take much longer for games these days.

 

I still hope we get an announcement next year at least and a release in 2022, that would be ok

At DICE, just recently, Shawn Layden said something very similar, making the point about making sure you make great games, even if it takes longer.

 

6 hours ago, vladicorp said:

This is interesting Analysis but I really hope that the reality is different and th GTA VI will be announces earlier. Also hope they will not loose time making games like bully or midnight club... 

I just can't see how they could start development, and have enough to show and announce, in less than 3 years. It took 2 and a half years for GTA V, and look how different the game was at release, compared to Trailer 1. Rockstar aren't happy with making a game that is as good as their last game. They constantly want to innovate and improve. On the verge of a new generation, the new hardware will allow them to do that, easier. But making bigger better games always takes longer. 

 

Trust me, I wish they announced it this year, but... it's just incredibly unlikely. Having said that, I've learned never to make any bets, even when you're 99.9% sure lol

Edited February 20, 2019 by Len Lfc

[Legomanarthur]

Great work man, it's a good way to look back on the production stages of these two games as well as the leaks and the official announcements by R*.

 

As disappointed as I am seeing that GTA VI will probably not happen anytime soon, I am still hopeful that the game will take place in VC, as it's been the location I wanted to see being revisited way before the first trailer of GTA V was released. Somehow, I think that R* pretty much prepared us for such a long, long wait (from my point of view at least). Back when GTA V's first trailer was released we did not get any info until summer 2012, which seemed to be an eternity, then another long wait for the second trailer along with an obvious delay and another long wait until the third trailer was released and so on. I think Rockstar's way of staying silent for months and months shaped our expectations and our ability to wait for a longer period of time than before when it comes to their future games; but once again that is how I feel about this whole situation. And no matter how patient I am, I still kinda wish that R* would release at least two games relatively close to each other. I really want to see a new Bully but at the same time I also want to see what GTA VI will bring us. Waiting years and years after the release of only one game is painful when you think about all the possibilities that they could bring us.

Now what I wonder is if the next GTA will follow GTA V's footsteps story-wise or if it will come back to a more serious and grounded story like GTA IV. I have never played RDR 2 because I do not own any of the current consoles, but from what I have seen it seems to be a really serious story that really complements its predecessor's universe with a great gameplay experience. With GTA O going full Saints Row, I just wonder if they'll continue down that road with the singleplayer of the next installment or if they'll keep the crazy stuff for Online only, which would be ideal in my opinion.

[Up2NoGood45]

7 hours ago, ___MissT___ said:

Awesome work, mate!

Most people don't realize the amount of work which should the developers make, the difficulty of work and the pressure from a gaming society if they want to lead the gaming industry. Let's not forget about copy-paste games from the developers which drop every year or two...

When R* writes a book, the rest are just making new chapters for it, but no more than that...

I'm still amazed at the quality and the detail of this game all these years later.  It makes me laugh when I catch myself complaining about something.  I remember playing Battlefield 1942 for hours with friends and thinking games couldn't get any better.  Now it's unplayable the graphics are so bad.  Rockstar made a masterpiece but the appreciation doesn't last for long.

[Lemoyne outlaw]

that was a good read thanks. i really hope we dont have to wait that long. i would not mind as much if we got at rdr 2 singleplayer dlc. or maybe another game like bully 2 or max payne 4 while we wait for gta 6. i dont expect a new gta anytime soon. but i just hope rockstar keeps us busy with new content for rdr 2.

[Aquamaniac]

23 hours ago, Journey_95 said:

Good post, some interesting info here how the last two Rockstar games releases went down.

 

A GTA VI announcement in 2022 would definitely be disappointing but at the same time I wouldn't be surprised. It's not just Rockstar not making more games because they get so much money from GTA:O, in general developers seem to take much longer for games these days.

 

I still hope we get an announcement next year at least and a release in 2022, that would be ok

This is not surprising, the development of video games has become as expensive as making blockbuster movies, sadly this means games must appeal to the mainstream and not cover some niches which leads to less artistic freedom.

Edited February 20, 2019 by Aquamaniac

[Len Lfc]

7 hours ago, Up2NoGood45 said:

I'm still amazed at the quality and the detail of this game all these years later.  It makes me laugh when I catch myself complaining about something.  I remember playing Battlefield 1942 for hours with friends and thinking games couldn't get any better.  Now it's unplayable the graphics are so bad.  Rockstar made a masterpiece but the appreciation doesn't last for long.

Exactly! I replayed through GTA III, VC & SA last August, for the Platinum Trophies (Vice City is a bitch!) and as much as I love them, they really age. Where at the time, it was hard to see games being better than that! And here's the thing, when GTA 6 comes out, many people will think GTA V was better, like they thought GTA IV was better than V. It's cyclical. Not that I disagree, GTA V was amazing, but it did lack some of what made 4 so special and fun, and 'new'

 

6 hours ago, confederatestatesgta said:

that was a good read thanks. i really hope we dont have to wait that long. i would not mind as much if we got at rdr 2 singleplayer dlc. or maybe another game like bully 2 or max payne 4 while we wait for gta 6. i dont expect a new gta anytime soon. but i just hope rockstar keeps us busy with new content for rdr 2.

 Rockstar did keep us busy with content for GTA Online, for 5 years, between GTA V and RDR2. And they still are. I have no doubt they will keep us busy for another 5 years, too. The problem is, most of us are single player gamers (not that we don't or can't enjoy online games too, or from time to time) and only getting online content sucks. My personal thoughts are that RDR isn't as mainstream popular as GTA, so it's a lot more likely to see more traditional content for it, instead of solely RDR Online updates. The problem is besides 'silly' DLC like Undead Nightmare or aliens, there's little room for story content. A prequel, sure. Or the speculated RDR1 remaster. But Rockstar could just bank on keeping GTA Online going, and RDR Online isn't even out of Beta yet. I think Rockstar could be more than happy with  just doing online updates while they focus on their next big game, instead. Online makes them millions each month, so they don't need to force content out to fund projects. While annoying for us single player gamers, I feel it does allow us to get bigger and better games less often, than smaller good ones more frequently. We just don't know...

[HOW'S ANNIE?]

My thoughts are, what happens when GTA Online becomes too unstable to play with how many updates they've piled on top of each other? It's bound to happen, and possibly very soon with how it plays (which may be another good reason updates aren't as frequent any more).

 

Once GTA Online's finished there goes a significant portion of Rockstar's income. And since RDRO seems very likely to be a flop I'm sure there'll be added pressure to release a game soon. GTA or otherwise.

[Len Lfc]

3 hours ago, HOW'S ANNIE? said:

My thoughts are, what happens when GTA Online becomes too unstable to play with how many updates they've piled on top of each other? It's bound to happen, and possibly very soon with how it plays (which may be another good reason updates aren't as frequent any more).

 

Once GTA Online's finished there goes a significant portion of Rockstar's income. And since RDRO seems very likely to be a flop I'm sure there'll be added pressure to release a game soon. GTA or otherwise.

One of the things I always admired about Rockstar was that they let their games rest. After GTA IV, they moved onto Red Dead Redemption, and that became their focus. If you were a regular reader of their newswire or followed their twitter. After TBoGT, and subsequently RDR1, they mostly forgot about GTA again. Same happened, to a lesser extent when L.A. Noire released, and the same again when Max Payne 3 was ramping up.

 

However, now that they have GTA Online, which is a seperate ongoing game, that has changed. It was part of the reason we were so hyped for the next GTA. When it was announced in October 2011, it had been 3 and a half years since GTA IV, but it felt like forever because they stopped talking about GTA. It doesn't feel that way anymore, as they're constantly talking about GTA Online updates, etc.

 

Strauss Zelnick admitted in 2016 that GTA Online has to end eventually, and the series has to rest. It is my belief that they know a series going away is what creates demand and desire for a sequel years later. The problem is that was 2 and a half years ago, and GTA Online is still getting updates. I personally don't know or understand how stability works, but I've heard that over the years, and it's still going strong. But If GTA Online continues to receive updates then either Take Two/Rockstar are just happy to continue to keep their players happy and concede on resting the online series (which admittedly is out of their hands. It's so big, players will keep playing regardless. People still played GTA IV online until V released. The difference is V is so much bigger and 'more exciting' to them). GTA V, the single player portion of GTA has been rested. For example, if you played GTA IV multiplayer, did you feel like you had time to rest from GTA? The series paused, but you still played it. Or GTA Online will get rested at some point, updates will stop, but players will naturally keep playing. And that will give us a clue to when to expect news on a future GTA title. I just have no idea on when, or how long to estime these things could take.

 

Games are different now, though. I think you can get away with not fully resting a series. The online portion is so different from the single player, that they might just decide it's being rested and supported simultaneously... I have no idea there...

[Len Lfc]

Just a small update. When I wrote this, I was weary of going into too much detail. Didn't want it to be too long. So I missed out some small things. As I looked into them, I feel as though they are more important than I might have initially though. As always take it with a grain of salt.

 

So, back on Neogaf, the user I referred to who worked for Rockstar until 2012 mentioned that it WON'T be Vice City. And that it is likely one of the 4 options listed in the quoted thread. 

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Small town gta - tight stories, scheduled characters, ridiculous levels of ambience, every home interior modelled. Every building enterable. More realism - if your wanted you are on the run for a while.

 

Vegas 1970s- CASINO?

 

Somewhere snowy - chicago/detroit

 

Mexico City

I don't quite know what to make of this. Personally, I would trust Ash. And I'm almost certain he is a member here. If you ever read this, I hope you don't mind me doing all of this, but you seem to have some useful knowledge, so my options are limited  I don't feel there is much to be gained from making any of this up. usually when people do, they aren't so subtle. But also, plans change. I've always personally believed that the location could be anywhere within the US. And never believed that it WOULD BE Vice City. This thread has just been about putting the pieces together, and Vice City seemed logical, to me.

Ash also commented on Twitter about RD Online not performing as well as hoped, which could lead to a PC release coming sooner than expected. Although he's not sure what that means for SP content. I only bring this up, as if RD Online isn't as big as hoped (although remember it took GTA Online a while to get rolling, and RD Online is still in Beta) it could encourage Rockstar to release future content sooner than if they had the luxury of time, due to critical and financial success of Online modes. Whether that be DLC, or new games, just a thought.

 

Another piece of information was from September 2015, [Original Source]where Rockstar started hiring for more jobs. They seemed to relate to a stealth based game, but as we know, in the past 3 years nothing seems to match that. My point is, job listings can be misleading, or for projects that may get cancelled, or postponed. There was a recent job listing (which is already mentioned above) for 'Technical Artists to "Create next-generation worlds for some exciting upcoming projects" The point being it's Rockstar India, and that's not something you'd expect to hear. At least not in relation to GTA 6, or their next major AAA open world game. Ultimately, my point is all that could end up leading to nothing, or having little to do with their next game. 

 

I know that might sound a bit pointless. All that, just to say maybe don't expect anything. But, I thought it was worth addressing. I do find it interesting that they say "Upcoming projects" though. Projects, plural. Not project. Hmm...

 

If anyone else has any thoughts or theories. Or anything at all to share, I'd love to hear it. I know RDR2 is still fresh out the door, and Online is still in beta. But in terms of their next game. There's not a lot to goon, and I'm itching for something to discover/talk about lol

 

(Hopefully I can edit this update into the original post above, tomorrow)

Edited February 26, 2019 by Len Lfc

[el carlitos]

https://www.rockstargames.com/careers/openings

R* Hiring like hell. 100% working on GTA VI.

This one is interesting. Quite safe to say that GTA6 will be next gen game for PS5 and XBOx whatever it will be called.

 

Enviroment terrain artist

 

RESPONSIBILITIES

• Sculpting, modeling and texturing terrain for next-gen game environments.

 

Vehicle artist hired at R*India. Don´t know if India is the right place for this job. I can´t imagine an Indian guy with the knowledge and love for vehicles and there details as it is the case with many car entusiasts in US, Europe or Japan. Maybe this is the reason for the vehicle mess up we have.

Edited February 28, 2019 by el carlitos

[Jabalous]

The word 'next-gen' is flexible and isn't necessarily indicative of the platform. R* usually uses the word 'next-gen this and that' in every job posting. In any case, they're definitely having GTA 6 in production at some stage and I believe it's their next project. The setting could indeed come as a surprise in that it will be a new one and not based on a fictional setting that was featured in the series so far. 

[MrQuiche]

Now that we know that every game produced by Rockstar will be a collaboration between all of the R* Studios,it makes sense that they're hiring for full time jobs especially after RDO "failure" to work on a another project that could keep the bank account high for T2. We all know that RDR2 and especially RDO won't be able to last as much as GTA5 and GTAO did. More people making a game can make it releasing faster but at the same time,R* is looking to push the boundaries after every release. To do so,they need more man power and more time so at the end i don't think they would be able to release a new game in less than 2 years(more like 3 to 5 years). Just my opinion.

[Len Lfc]

6 hours ago, el carlitos said:

https://www.rockstargames.com/careers/openings

R* Hiring like hell. 100% working on GTA VI.

This one is interesting. Quite safe to say that GTA6 will be next gen game for PS5 and XBOx whatever it will be called.

 

Enviroment terrain artist

 

RESPONSIBILITIES

• Sculpting, modeling and texturing terrain for next-gen game environments.

 

Vehicle artist hired at R*India. Don´t know if India is the right place for this job. I can´t imagine an Indian guy with the knowledge and love for vehicles and there details as it is the case with many car entusiasts in US, Europe or Japan. Maybe this is the reason for the vehicle mess up we have.

That's a fantastic link! I'll be sure to edit it into the main post with credit to you! I touched on them hiring again on the part dated January 6th 2019. I just used a link to an article about it. I didn't write much about the fact that one of the job listing was for India, but again, I touched on it in my post a couple of days ago. I just don't think it means a lot. Sure, I get it, it sounds... strange. We're used to thinking of Rockstar as a British lead, English/Scottish and American company. But at the end of the day, the developers all do as they're told. It's the higher ups who 'create' For lack of a much better way to put that.

 

30 minutes ago, Jabalous said:

The word 'next-gen' is flexible and isn't necessarily indicative of the platform. R* usually uses the word 'next-gen this and that' in every job posting. In any case, they're definitely having GTA 6 in production at some stage and I believe it's their next project. The setting could indeed come as a surprise in that it will be a new one and not based on a fictional setting that was featured in the series so far. 

Is it flexible? I've only really heard them use it before when working on the as of then unannounced RDR2(Although I can't find any articles from that time anymore, sadly). Which was next gen at the time of the hirings (around september 2014). In the gaming industry, the term next gen is pretty much used for the next or new consoles. I'm not saying your wrong. Just, I think it's a pretty safe bet. And considering they're pretty much all but confirmed to release next year, I can't see it meaning anything else.

 

One other thing to consider is, if GTA VI is their next big innovative game (which it will be), not counting the possibility of a small 'in between' game. Rockstar won't want to release GTA VI, a huge 'everyone wants to buy it' game on consoles that not many people have. They will want to release on systems that have a decent sized install base. I'm not saying it will be cross gen. If it were, I doubt they'd be able to achieve their lofty ambitions. But I think it's safer to assume a later release. 2 or 3 years into a generations life cycle. Or maybe not, and GTA VI just sells itself, and will do overtime because GTA Online 2 lol

 

9 minutes ago, MrQuiche said:

Now that we know that every game produced by Rockstar will be a collaboration between all of the R* Studios,it makes sense that they're hiring for full time jobs especially after RDO "failure" to work on a another project that could keep the bank account high for T2. We all know that RDR2 and especially RDO won't be able to last as much as GTA5 and GTAO did. More people making a game can make it releasing faster but at the same time,R* is looking to push the boundaries after every release. To do so,they need more man power and more time so at the end i don't think they would be able to release a new game in less than 2 years(more like 3 to 5 years). Just my opinion.

I just can't see them ever 'rushing' a GTA game out. Not even by hiring more staff to theoretically get work done faster. I'd say that may be indicative of trying to make working conditions better, in light of the recent controversy of their working conditions. And I suggest we wait to see how RDO does over the next few months. Maybe wait until it's out of beta? Although I certainly agree, RDO will NEVER be as big or popular as GTA Online. It's just not a genre that garners as much popularity.

[Jabalous]

At least for R*, I think the term is flexible. I remember reading job postings mentioning 'next-gen this and that' since 2015, after the release of current consoles by 2 years. It's wording/marketing and I'd prefer not to obsess about it. As for GTA 6, surely it's a next-consoles title, and is likely not coming before 2.5-3 years after their launch.

[Len Lfc]

47 minutes ago, Jabalous said:

likely not coming before 2.5-3 years after their launch

Same as what I'm predicting. But that only means an announcement a year into their release. Anyone else thinking Sony could be negotiating another 'exclusive' deal with them, certainly for marketing, and inevitably DLC/updates. There has to be a bidding war between Sony & Microsoft. Looking back at E3 2006, Microsoft could make a statement of intent if they got to reveal the next GTA at E3. Not this year, just generally thinking for the future. As much as I expect Rockstar to do their own thing, it's not beyond the realms of possibility. Sony announcing GTA V on PS4 doesn't quite count, as it wasn't a new game at that point. But, an interesting thought.

[DisCrafted]

Nice analysis. My prediction is a 2021 announcement (which would be a year after the release of NG consoles) and a release in 2023. Makes sense if you think about it. I do wonder what Rockstar's plans are for the next decade... VI, New IP and then RDNext? Especially with how long these games take to develop nowadays.

[Len Lfc]

1 hour ago, DisCrafted said:

Nice analysis. My prediction is a 2021 announcement (which would be a year after the release of NG consoles) and a release in 2023. Makes sense if you think about it. I do wonder what Rockstar's plans are for the next decade... VI, New IP and then RDNext? Especially with how long these games take to develop nowadays.

Honestly, if it takes then 5 or so years for full development, then maybe just the next GTA. A lot of people are suspecting Bully. I'm not sure if that's because of the old concept art leaks, and other rumours, or if there's more to it. However, there is this, from February 13th 2012

 

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“Hey R* is there gonna be something more about L.A. Noire?” - Dezpoztomuz

 

While there won’t be any more DLC or additional content for the current release of L.A. Noire (we’re all too busy working on Max Payne 3, GTAV and other games to come), don’t count out the possibility of a new game in the L.A. Noire franchise in the future. We simply have not decided anything. We’re all very pleased with how that game turned out and are considering what the future may hold for L.A. Noire as a series. We don’t always rush to make sequels, but that does not mean we won’t get to them eventually – see Max and Red Dead for evidence of that – we have so many games we want to make and the issue is always one of bandwidth and timing.

 

 

Which they later brought back up on July 12th 2012

 

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“All I wanna know is is there goin to be a new Red Dead game any time soon?” – via Facebook
“Will there ever be a sequel or prequel to #RDR I am Red Dead mad!!” – @liquidh20stevew (via Twitter)

 

Awesome, we love Red Dead too – and are thrilled that so many of you loved John Marston’s tale and are excited for more epic Western action. As we mentioned in our last set of Asked & Answereds to similar questions about the future of other game franchises like Bully and L.A. Noire, we don’t always rush to make sequels but that does not mean that we won’t get to them eventually. Stay tuned for further announcements about the future of the Red Dead series.

 

I think it's just a matter of time before we see one of those games. Just a matter of when, and how much of a focus/effort they put into it. Will they have one studio set aside? Have multiple releases in the span of 3 years? Or more 5 year gaps? I just can't see them waiting  10+ years for GTA VI, so that game almost has to be announced within the next 3 calendar years. Unless GTA V sells so well, they can afford (literally and figuratively) to take their time with that series.

Edited March 1, 2019 by Len Lfc

[DisCrafted]

1 hour ago, Len Lfc said:

Honestly, if it takes then 5 or so years for full development, then maybe just the next GTA. A lot of people are suspecting Bully. I'm not sure if that's because of the old concept art leaks, and other rumours, or if there's more to it. However, there is this, from February 13th 2012

 

 

 

Which they later brought back up on July 12th 2012

 

 

I think it's just a matter of time before we see one of those games. Just a matter of when, and how much of a focus/effort they put into it. Will they have one studio set aside? Have multiple releases in the span of 3 years? Or more 5 year gaps? I just can't see them waiting  10+ years for GTA VI, so that game almost has to be announced within the next 3 calendar years. Unless GTA V sells so well, they can afford (literally and figuratively) to take their time with that series.

They can definitely work on multiple projects at the same time but it depends on the scale of those projects as well. I think 5 year gaps between their huge open world franchises (GTA and Red Dead) is feasible. Only time will tell I guess. I do however think that they have their priorities as well (GTA & RD). Bully 2 was cancelled/put on hold twice and the second time it happened  (which was in 2011 I think) was because Rockstar needed more people to work on V. 

Edited March 1, 2019 by DisCrafted

[Len Lfc]

58 minutes ago, DisCrafted said:

They can definitely work on multiple projects at the same time but it depends on the scale of those projects as well. I think 5 year gaps between their huge open world franchises (GTA and Red Dead) is feasible. Only time will tell I guess. I do however think that they have their priorities as well (GTA & RD). Bully 2 was cancelled/put on hold twice and the second time it happened  (which was in 2011 I think) was because Rockstar needed more people to work on V. 

Yeah, that's my thought, too. It's just so difficult to try to work out what they may be doing. The next GTA is absolutely in some form of development. Just don't know when it's coming, or what's next. I'd be happy waiting 3 years, if they announced it tomorrow lol. It's just the not knowing... Especially with no substantial leaks to work on.

[DisCrafted]

4 minutes ago, Len Lfc said:

Yeah, that's my thought, too. It's just so difficult to try to work out what they may be doing. The next GTA is absolutely in some form of development. Just don't know when it's coming, or what's next. I'd be happy waiting 3 years, if they announced it tomorrow lol. It's just the not knowing... Especially with no substantial leaks to work on.

Perhaps we'll a leak around the timeframe of the game's announcement. Depends on our luck I guess lol

 

[Len Lfc]

GTA V only had domain names and a casting call 8/9 months before announcement. RDR2 had the entire map 6 months before. You'd think they'd be a lot tighter next time around... If we expect an announcement in 2021, then we could look to late 2020 to early 21 depending on what time of year they announce it. They could announce this year, for all we know. But I just can't see that happening before the new consoles are out.

[Zello]

1 hour ago, Len Lfc said:

GTA V only had domain names and a casting call 8/9 months before announcement. RDR2 had the entire map 6 months before. You'd think they'd be a lot tighter next time around... If we expect an announcement in 2021, then we could look to late 2020 to early 21 depending on what time of year they announce it. They could announce this year, for all we know. But I just can't see that happening before the new consoles are out.

I think the map leaked in like 2016 and then IGN reported San Diego was working on a new game back in 2015

 

 

 

RDR2 was probably the game with the most leaks.

[Len Lfc]

So I was doing some digging, and accidentally came across something I never knew about, until today. But apparently back in 2011, when the domain names were leaked. Not long before that (I'm not sure of the date) a stuntman by the name of Declan Mulvey had Grand Theft Auto V on his resume. He told CVG that it was a typo and that he had worked on GTA IV, instead. Although he was never credited in GTA IV, TLaD or TBoGT. He is however credited in GTA V

 

Why is this relevant? It just reminds me of something similar...

 

This could be nothing. Just a coincidence, just because something turned out to be true one time, does not mean it is every time. But it's certainly making me re-evaluate things...

[DisCrafted]

11 minutes ago, Len Lfc said:

So I was doing some digging, and accidentally came across something I never knew about, until today. But apparently back in 2011, when the domain names were leaked. Not long before that (I'm not sure of the date) a stuntman by the name of Declan Mulvey had Grand Theft Auto V on his resume. He told CVG that it was a typo and that he had worked on GTA IV, instead. Although he was never credited in GTA IV, TLaD or TBoGT. He is however credited in GTA V

 

Why is this relevant? It just reminds me of something similar...

 

This could be nothing. Just a coincidence, just because something turned out to be true one time, does not mean it is every time. But it's certainly making me re-evaluate things...

That Tim Neff guy screwed up big time lol
There was a picture of R* San Diego's entrance on his Instagram. He deleted it and then denied any connections. I'm not sure if his name is in RDR2's credits but I think he had both RDR2 and VI listed on his resume.

[MrQuiche]

4 minutes ago, DisCrafted said:

That Tim Neff guy screwed up big time lol
There was a picture of R* San Diego's entrance on his Instagram. He deleted it and then denied any connections. I'm not sure if his name is in RDR2's credits but I think he had both RDR2 and VI listed on his resume.

He isn't in RDR2 credits site,if you try CTRL+F and look for his name you won't find him

[Len Lfc]

9 minutes ago, DisCrafted said:

There was a picture of R* San Diego's entrance on his Instagram. He deleted it and then denied any connections. I'm not sure if his name is in RDR2's credits but I think he had both RDR2 and VI listed on his resume.

Yeah, he did. I remember the consensus being Rockstar and him doing damage control. 

 

4 minutes ago, MrQuiche said:

He isn't in RDR2 credits site,if you try CTRL+F and look for his name you won't find him

Yeah, that's the only problem. Makes it hard to know what to believe could be a legit slipup or a smart hoax. Someone could have seen his instagram photos and decided to have a bit of fun. Or Rockstar could have removed him from the credit, or anything else. Still worth thinking about, though.