Panthers in the game

[DEALUX 2,400]

So according to this wiki page, the panther in Lemoyne is actually a cougar, wrongfully named the "Florida panther" (in real life). That kinda makes it a little confusing since they also cite the scientific name panthera onca (biological name for the jaguar). See, the word "panther" doesn't actually refer to a distinct animal. It is a classification (i.e. genus) that includes the leopard, snow leopard, tiger, jaguar, and lion. So a panther could be any of those 5 things but not a cougar. The cougar belongs to the Puma genus and is not closely related to panthers.

 

The legendary "Giaguaro" panther seems to be a black jaguar judging by the name but the game doesn't specify this detail. Black jaguars are indeed quite rare (less than 10% of the jaguar population) and judging by its head it seems to be what the legendary animal is based on.

[ShayD 217]

2 hours ago, DEALUX said:

So according to this wiki page, the panther in Lemoyne is actually a cougar, wrongfully named the "Florida panther" (in real life). That kinda makes it a little confusing since they also cite the scientific name panthera onca (biological name for the jaguar). See, the word "panther" doesn't actually refer to a distinct animal. It is a classification (i.e. genus) that includes the leopard, snow leopard, tiger, jaguar, and lion. So a panther could be any of those 5 things but not a cougar. The cougar belongs to the Puma genus and is not closely related to panthers.

 

The legendary "Giaguaro" panther seems to be a black jaguar judging by the name but the game doesn't specify this detail. Black jaguars are indeed quite rare (less than 10% of the jaguar population) and judging by its head it seems to be what the legendary animal is based on.

I've found a few panthers in southwest Lemoyne, to me they dont look like cougars in game but all the ones I've found have been darker than normal cougars and I've never found a black cougar. Is the panther in Lemoyne a real species or is it just another breed of cougar?

 

We already have different breeds of the same species eg Red fox & silver fox, grey wolf & timber wolf etc. Should the same be said for the cougar & panther?

Edited February 18 by ShayD

[Gray-Hand 1,085]

I’ve killed about 5 panthers plus the lefendary panther.  All the regular ones were similar in colour to cougars.  Maybe slightly more brown in colour.  Definitely not black, or anything like it.

 

The legendary panther has a black and maroon coat.

[DEALUX 2,400]

4 hours ago, ShayD said:

I've found a few panthers in southwest Lemoyne, to me they dont look like cougars in game but all the ones I've found have been darker than normal cougars and I've never found a black cougar. Is the panther in Lemoyne a real species or is it just another breed of cougar?

 

We already have different breeds of the same species eg Red fox & silver fox, grey wolf & timber wolf etc. Should the same be said for the cougar & panther?

It's a specific variant (sort of a subspecies) of the cougar, one that resides in Florida. It's technically not a panther. There are no black cougars in existence.

 

Cougars look more or less the same IRL. Panther is a generic term so the actual legendary animal could be either a leopard or a jaguar but the name "Giaguaro" obviously suggests it is a jaguar though I think black leopards are more rare than jaguars: https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2019/02/13/rare-images-of-black-leopard-in-kenya-orig-intl.cnn

 

Edit: Yeah, it's definitely a jaguar. There are no black leopards in the wild in the US according to Wikipedia.

Edited February 18 by DEALUX

[ShayD 217]

26 minutes ago, DEALUX said:

It's a specific variant (sort of a subspecies) of the cougar, one that resides in Florida. It's technically not a panther. There are no black cougars in existence.

 

Cougars look more or less the same IRL. Panther is a generic term so the actual legendary animal could be either a leopard or a jaguar but the name "Giaguaro" obviously suggests it is a jaguar though I think black leopards are more rare than jaguars: https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2019/02/13/rare-images-of-black-leopard-in-kenya-orig-intl.cnn

 

Edit: Yeah, it's definitely a jaguar. There are no black leopards in the wild in the US according to Wikipedia.

So the panther in Lemoyne is actually a type of cougar, and the legendary one is a Jaguar. I wonder then does killing a florida panther add to your list of species killed in game, or does it fall into the cougar catagory.

[Gray-Hand 1,085]

It adds to the species killed in game.  It’s listed as a panther.

[DEALUX 2,400]

Which is technically incorrect but perhaps historically accurate? They wrongfully classified animals all the time in that period.

[Oldsport 687]

45 minutes ago, DEALUX said:

Which is technically incorrect but perhaps historically accurate? They wrongfully classified animals all the time in that period.

like how they called bison buffalo?

[Gray-Hand 1,085]

4 hours ago, DEALUX said:

Which is technically incorrect but perhaps historically accurate? They wrongfully classified animals all the time in that period.

Yes.  Until about 50 years ago they were considered a seperate subspecies.  Now they aren’t.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_panther

[DirtCheap 1,040]

The Florida Panther is obviously a mountain lion, in the game and in real life.

 

Weirdly enough, it's spotted in the game, making it a teenager (young pumas are spotted for camouflage)

 

 

 

The Panther on the other hand seems different. It's compendium picture looks more like a jaguar though.

 

https://s.rsg.sc/sc/images/games/RDR2/compendium/CMPNDM_ANIMALS/ANIMAL_PANTHER.png

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/content/dam/animals/thumbs/rights-exempt/mammals/j/jaguar_thumb.ngsversion.1481754612130.adapt.1900.1.JPG

 

 

Weirdly enough, they make jaguar sounds, despite being cougars.

 

Edited February 21 by DirtCheap

[Grotti Vigilante 774]

Doesn't look like a Jaguar to me. It definitely is a Cougar. It's funny, I did once get attacked by one just outside Great Plains, but it looked a bit blacker than usual. Wasn't sure if it was the low light or if I somehow ran into an unknown animal. I think it was more the former. Either way, it wouldn't make much sense for the legendary panther to be a Jaguar since they never really extended into Louisiana, real life Lemoyne. Being called Florida Panther is somewhat a misnomer, but more a real life one rather than in-game since it's just working with real names. I'd rather it just always be called a Cougar though.

Edited February 22 by Grotti Vigilante

[DirtCheap 1,040]

1 hour ago, Grotti Vigilante said:

Doesn't look like a Jaguar to me. It definitely is a Cougar. It's funny, I did once get attacked by one just outside Great Plains, but it looked a bit blacker than usual. Wasn't sure if it was the low light or if I somehow ran into an unknown animal. I think it was more the former. Either way, it wouldn't make much sense for the legendary panther to be a Jaguar since they never really extended into Louisiana, real life Lemoyne. Being called Florida Panther is somewhat a misnomer, but more a real life one rather than in-game since it's just working with real names. I'd rather it just always be called a Cougar though.

 

Yes, obviously the Panther is a cougar, but what I'm saying is that its profiler in the compendium looks more like a jaguar than a puma (its profiler has no pronounced white marking on its mouth, unlike the cougar)

 

If you sell off the Legendary Panther's carcass, it tells you that it's a Florida Panther carcass, showing us that it's not a jaguar despite looking like a melanistic one and sounding like one.

 

Also, I don't see why the game considers them an entirely different species. The Florida Panther is a puma subspecies that lives in Florida (hence it's name) not Louisiana (what Lemoyne basically is), yet it makes jaguar sounds, and is spotted (which, like I said above, is kinda messed up because it means that it's only a juvenile (but then again, we can also hunt small gators which could be younger gators so I don't know then)).

 

I'm guessing R* wanted to add jaguars in the game, but decided not to for some reason, and added Florida panthers instead because they still had the sound files and whatnot.

 

Also also, I'm surprised no one's questioning why the Legendary Panther gives you an orange-brown spotted pelt, instead of a black one.

 

Also also also, I don't know why R* decided to make both the Legendary counterparts of the 2 big cats in the game black (the Legendary Cougar is more blue-black, but whatever), making them look alike, yet made Legendary counterparts of creatures that look similar to another different e.g. the fox and coyote have similar features and are both canines, yet have different looking Legendary counterparts- the Legendary Fox is white, while the Legendary Coyote is black.

[Gray-Hand 1,085]

People within the world of the game think of them as different animals, so the compendium treats them as different animals.

 

It’s the exact same as the silver fox and the red fox - same species Vulpes vulpes, but within the game world people think of them as different types and f animals.

Edited February 22 by Gray-Hand

[DEALUX 2,400]

2 hours ago, DirtCheap said:

Also also, I'm surprised no one's questioning why the Legendary Panther gives you an orange-brown spotted pelt, instead of a black one.

Damn. I didn't notice that. I think that's most likely a developer oversight or something.

 

The legendary panther is obviously a jaguar though. Most evidence points that way. They just messed up certain details and jaguars are in fact found in the US. Cougars were more prominent in the south as well until humans invaded everything.

[Grotti Vigilante 774]

9 hours ago, DirtCheap said:

Yes, obviously the Panther is a cougar, but what I'm saying is that its profiler in the compendium looks more like a jaguar than a puma (its profiler has no pronounced white marking on its mouth, unlike the cougar)

The compendium image does have white marking on its mouth though, just like the Cougar. Matter of fact though most cats have white markings around the mouth, but I still don’t think the image looks like a Jaguar. It’s head isn’t as big and robust as it should be, and I think it very much does look like a Cougar based on the shape of the ears and head and tail, which is a bit thicker in proportion to it’s body size due to it being in trees more often. I don’t see much of a Jaguar to be honest, so I’m not sure what you see in the compendium image. 

 

6 hours ago, DEALUX said:

The legendary panther is obviously a jaguar though. Most evidence points that way. They just messed up certain details and jaguars are in fact found in the US. Cougars were more prominent in the south as well until humans invaded everything.

Yes, Jaguars were found in the US, but they never extended into the areas that Lemoyne is based on unless in game the legendary animal is a rogue that went far inland outside its usual territory. I think the Legendary Panther is just a Florida Panther though,  which as clarified is a subspecies of Cougar. The name is a bit of a misnomer, but a real life one rather than that of the game itself.

Edited February 22 by Grotti Vigilante

[DirtCheap 1,040]

4 hours ago, Grotti Vigilante said:

The compendium image does have white marking on its mouth though, just like the Cougar. Matter of fact though most cats have white markings around the mouth, but I still don’t think the image looks like a Jaguar. It’s head isn’t as big and robust as it should be, and I think it very much does look like a Cougar based on the shape of the ears and head and tail, which is a bit thicker in proportion to it’s body size due to it being in trees more often. I don’t see much of a Jaguar to be honest, so I’m not sure what you see in the compendium image. 

Well on closer glance, it does look like a cougar. but it has a more pitbull-like face, and smaller eyes, which does give it a slight appearance to a jaguar.

 

11 hours ago, DEALUX said:

The legendary panther is obviously a jaguar though. Most evidence points that way. They just messed up certain details and jaguars are in fact found in the US. Cougars were more prominent in the south as well until humans invaded everything.

While it does make jaguar sounds and looks like the melanistic variant of one, it's apparently a Florida panther (puma) because if you sell it's carcass, that's what comes up.

 

12 hours ago, Gray-Hand said:

People within the world of the game think of them as different animals, so the compendium treats them as different animals.

 

It’s the exact same as the silver fox and the red fox - same species Vulpes vulpes, but within the game world people think of them as different types and f animals.

I get what you're saying, but what I'm asking is why R* made the Legendary variants of the 2 big cats in the game look the exact same, while it made the Legendary variants of the coyote and fox (which are similar albeit sound and coat) look different.

 

So what I'm saying is that if I was shown images of either of the Legendary Cougar or Legendary Panther, it would be difficult to say which is a cougar and which is a panther as they both have the same shape and appearance, which won't be the case with the Legendary Fox  or Coyote.

Edited February 22 by DirtCheap

[Grotti Vigilante 774]

18 minutes ago, DirtCheap said:

Well on closer glance, it does look like a cougar. but it has a more pitbull-like face, and smaller eyes, which does give it a slight appearance to a jaguar.

Cats are all remarkably similar in their build. It's the perfect one for them after all. But to be honest, I don't expect anyone who hasn't studied cats like I did to be able to immediately tell the difference at first glance, especially with the compendium pictures being the tint that they are. Don't worry about it.

[Gray-Hand 1,085]

8 hours ago, DirtCheap said:

Well on closer glance, it does look like a cougar. but it has a more pitbull-like face, and smaller eyes, which does give it a slight appearance to a jaguar.

 

While it does make jaguar sounds and looks like the melanistic variant of one, it's apparently a Florida panther (puma) because if you sell it's carcass, that's what comes up.

 

I get what you're saying, but what I'm asking is why R* made the Legendary variants of the 2 big cats in the game look the exact same, while it made the Legendary variants of the coyote and fox (which are similar albeit sound and coat) look different.

 

So what I'm saying is that if I was shown images of either of the Legendary Cougar or Legendary Panther, it would be difficult to say which is a cougar and which is a panther as they both have the same shape and appearance, which won't be the case with the Legendary Fox  or Coyote.

If someone showed you an image of the legendary panther you would know it was the legendary panther due to the lush Lemoyne forest all around it.

if someone showed you an image of the legendary cougar, you would know it was the legendary cougar because it would be in the rocky desert of New Austin.

[DirtCheap 1,040]

14 hours ago, Gray-Hand said:

If someone showed you an image of the legendary panther you would know it was the legendary panther due to the lush Lemoyne forest all around it.

if someone showed you an image of the legendary cougar, you would know it was the legendary cougar because it would be in the rocky desert of New Austin.

 

Wow, no way dude. I never knew.

 

I don't think you get what I'm say. What I'm trying to say is that there's hardly any difference between the 2 and they don't look as interesting as all the rest of the Legendaries due to their similarities. Obviously they are in different areas so it's easy to tell which is which, but it feels like you're fighting the exact same creature albeit the sounds they make. 

 

While I do like that the Legendary Cougar is black instead of white like most of the Legendaries (which becomes uninteresting after a while; that's not saying all the white Legendaries were uninteresting e.g. the Bull Gator), I don't like how similar it looks to the Legendary Panther. I don't see why the Legendary Panther isn't dark orange with dark spots, like it's pelt (yes, I know panthers in the game are tawny with spots, but I don't see why they can't make the Legendary Panther larger with more pronounced spots).

Edited February 23 by DirtCheap

[lol232 3,121]

There's both a regular panther and a Florida panther in the game though.

[DirtCheap 1,040]

On 2/23/2019 at 4:22 PM, lol232 said:

There's both a regular panther and a Florida panther in the game though.

 

I never knew that dude. Thanks for letting me know.

 

/s

Edited February 24 by DirtCheap

[Mr. Meme42069 1]

In normal conversation, a panther usually refers to any melanistic cat. Panthera is the genus that Lion, tigers, leopard, and jaguars are a part of. People usually clarify when talking about Panthers and panthera

[Cutter De Blanc 13,869]

All of the crap you make from the Legendary Cougar is white (thinking mostly of the flop hat) so I wonder if the Legendary Cougar was supposed to be albino at some point