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AnthMUFC-Champs

A Theory on Chapter 5

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Dark Rosewood Varnish
On 2/9/2019 at 9:05 PM, RyuNova said:

Also the hot arid climate would not have done Arthur any favours would it? We see what happened to him from Guarma.

 

It actually would have helped him. Even in the scene where he gets diagnosed the doctor mentions he should head out west to somewhere hot and dry. 

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RyuNova
1 minute ago, Dark Rosewood Varnish said:

 

It actually would have helped him. Even in the scene where he gets diagnosed the doctor mentions he should head out west to somewhere hot and dry. 

 

I know I realised that a bit after I had typed it.

Still it just lends credence to the idea that we were supposed to go to New Austin.

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Dan390
4 hours ago, Dark Rosewood Varnish said:

 

It actually would have helped him. Even in the scene where he gets diagnosed the doctor mentions he should head out west to somewhere hot and dry. 

might be hot in Guarma but definitely not dry, it has very lush vegetation

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Hmmm nice bike
18 minutes ago, Dan390 said:

might be hot in Guarma but definitely not dry, it has very lush vegetation 

 

5 hours ago, RyuNova said:

 

I know I realised that a bit after I had typed it.

Still it just lends credence to the idea that we were supposed to go to New Austin.

Guarma definitely wouldn't have helped him. If it was off of Cuba, then it's going to be a hot and extremely humid/sticky climate, not arid and dry like New Austin. Chances are, being in Guarma made Arthur's TB complications even worse, and when he returns from there is when things definitely worsen for him. His coughing also first shows up when he goes to Lemoyne and Saint Denis, another humid place. He probably had latent TB inside of him in New Hanover and it was dormant, being in Lemoyne "activated" it, and Guarma worsened it.

 

New Austin wouldn't have cured him, but the climate would have quelled his symptoms at least a little. I still think that New Austin was probably going to be after Guarma.

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AnthMUFC-Champs
Posted (edited)

Thanks for your insightful input @Hmmm nice bike and to all the other contributions that have been posted by other members in this topic. I have been researching a bit more and some people on Reddit were touching upon a theory which I pieced together that perhaps Red Dead Redemption 2 intended to start in Blackwater and New Austin as opposed to where it did in the actual release. Many denounced the "chapter five" theory as they thought the notion of the Van de Linde gang "running away from the west" didn't fit this narrative. There is also a cutscene in chapter three where Dutch and Horsea mention "scouting camp locations in New Austin and the Red Dead Wiki website references that this was a fallback option in case the ferry robbery did not go to plan. As for John mentioning in the original Red Dead Redemption that "the gang had not been to New Austin", he could of just been lying about that possibly? I mean if he had been associated with a bloody massacre in a town near the state it might be possible he just doesn't want people to make that connection. Interesting theory either way and I wouldn't mind seeing this as single player DLC content as way to make use of the unused areas of the map. I'm not sure where Mexico fits into this narrative though.

Edited by AnthMUFC-Champs

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Hmmm nice bike

With that theory in mind, then it's really hard to guess where New Austin would have been featured in the story. I still feel like it would have been sometime after Guarma. If New Austin was the prologue (which is what I think you're referencing), it would have been a jarring change to go from a desert environment to the snowy mountains.

 

Also, even if going further west after Guarma would make no sense, neither does going back to Lemoyne where they're all wanted dead or alive. Dutch's logic wasn't exactly sound, and I could see him saying this was all part of his plan. And it'd make more sense for them to go out of their way and arrive someplace west while waiting for the commotion in Saint Denis after the failed robbery to die down.

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burger_mike
On 3/3/2019 at 6:55 AM, Dark Rosewood Varnish said:

 

It actually would have helped him. Even in the scene where he gets diagnosed the doctor mentions he should head out west to somewhere hot and dry. 

Which was probably foreshadowing now that I think of it

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PenonX

old thread but also has dialogue for both a healthy version of him and a sick version of him in new austin. the people of armadillo will comment on the disease and there i haven’t heard it anywhere else and considering they mention their own sickness within the same dialogue, it’s likely arthur was going to be able to go there both sick and healthy. personally i think the game was gonna start in blackwater and like this theory states, end up in new austin in chapter 5 after guarma. it makes literally no sense as to why they’d go back there other than “to show dutch is really losing it.”

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Darealbandicoot
2 hours ago, PenonX said:

old thread but also has dialogue for both a healthy version of him and a sick version of him in new austin. the people of armadillo will comment on the disease and there i haven’t heard it anywhere else and considering they mention their own sickness within the same dialogue, it’s likely arthur was going to be able to go there both sick and healthy. personally i think the game was gonna start in blackwater and like this theory states, end up in new austin in chapter 5 after guarma. it makes literally no sense as to why they’d go back there other than “to show dutch is really losing it.”

Arthur has TB comments for New Austin? 

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RedDeadJohn

Why they showed in the trailers gang riding through Blackwater area ? When i played the story i thought that i missed something out. Making Arthur be able to go normally to New Austin with story missions there would make the game feeling better more wild west like the first game.

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PenonX
57 minutes ago, Darealbandicoot said:

Arthur has TB comments for New Austin? 

indeed he does. when i was in armadillo the people there would make comments on his appearance/sickness. 

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~INDIO~

Imagine how f*cking cool that would have been.

The island being near Mexico instead of Cuba, then they end up in Nuevo and work their way up through New Austin back to Lakay for the others.

That would've been so good.

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GinsengElixir

Whatever the case, RDR2 should have started on a lighter note. Even just a chapter or 2 in West Elizabeth and New Hannover, and have Arthurgo to NA to scout. All the gang together, including the Callander boys, and meeting Jenny. Either cut Micah and have someone from the gang ratting, even if it is Strauss, or introduce Micah at some point. Doing some heists and robberies.

 

Then toward the mid game we have the Blackwater job and we're driven toward the mountains for an expanded chapter in the Grizzlies and this is where the gang starts to fall apart.

 

Swap Guarma for Mexico.  

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Ironside
8 hours ago, GinsengElixir said:

Whatever the case, RDR2 should have started on a lighter note. Even just a chapter or 2 in West Elizabeth and New Hannover, and have Arthurgo to NA to scout. All the gang together, including the Callander boys, and meeting Jenny. Either cut Micah and have someone from the gang ratting, even if it is Strauss, or introduce Micah at some point. Doing some heists and robberies.

 

Then toward the mid game we have the Blackwater job and we're driven toward the mountains for an expanded chapter in the Grizzlies and this is where the gang starts to fall apart.

 

Swap Guarma for Mexico.  

Your post is one of the best post so far on the entire forum, I agree with every part and wow what a game it could have been! I am the first one to say that the game is great as it stands but your theoretical version would have been a masterpiece. 

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TheOriginalGunslinger

I laugh at Dutch outta all of this. He definitely got his taste of a “tropical paradise” so to speak and I bet you he realized it was horrible. lol

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