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Unpopular Opinions about RDR2

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Ironside

I do not know if this is an unpopular opinion or just an opinion, but I think all weapons should be available from start. It is not like the game is ever difficult with any weapon or that any weapon is game breakingly good. I really hate that the last repeater and the repeater shotgun is unlocked at the very end of the game, I prefer the repeating shotgun above the others because I find it cooler. The same can be said about the LeMat that I need to wait until chapter 4 to be able to use.

 

Just let us buy whatever weapon whenever and let us play the way we want, and if R* truly feels the later weapons are so much better they can include an option that takes away achievements/trophies or whatever if one chooses to have the possibility to buy any weapon when one has the cash. 

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Cutter De Blanc

I've had Arthur with a mustache for so long that I think he looks super weird without one.

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JB1982

Not necessarily unpopular but here goes...

 

I think there's too many camp companions and it gets in the way of character development. Some characters have little to no development, others seem a bit rushed. It feels in some ways that the high numbers are there to provide two things. One is cannon fodder and the second is so that you notice the dwindling numbers by the end of Chapter 6.

 

I could live without the Guarma stuff. I don't think it really adds much to the game other than provide a distraction from the main story and give us a time lapse. I'm not sure either was needed.

 

Instead of Guarma, I would have liked to see Arthur be the one that stays behind and provides the distraction in Saint Denis. He then has to flee and return to Shady Belle and what's left of the gang. He has to find them a new camp (Lakey) and they have to lay low for awhile, staying away from Saint Denis which would be under lock down like Blackwater. Missions would now include the remaining camp members and allow them some development that they otherwise lacked. Maybe Van Horn could have been the main town for this chapter and they were able to take advantage of the lawless angle. The end bits play out the same way once Dutch and the others return.

 

Speaking of Blackwater, I think we needed to see it before the epilogue. Whether it was seeing the botched robbery (like the GTA V opening) or a mission that requires a covert return to Blackwater by Arthur. It feels a bit weird to me that there's a fairly large section of the map which doesn't really feature in the story and is largely just there for free roaming later on.

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Western Gunslinger
On 1/25/2020 at 7:36 AM, Ironside said:

I think all weapons should be available from start

Couldn't agree more

 

I would've also add that it's stupid that you need high honor to buy certain outfits, it just make obtaining some good outfits unnecessarily difficult, especially if your honor level are black hat

 

(I don't really have problem keeping my honor high during my 1st playthrough, but it's pretty difficult keeping it high for my perfect chapter 4 arthur savegame)

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Western Gunslinger

I actually liked the offhand holster

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korhan332

I Just accept the game as it is and I did not complain any of its flaws (mostly because I Didn't see any flaws)

 

gameplay seems normal to me not slow or not too fast

 

about that murdering half of the town, they actually talk about it in missions or when you greet the characters that was in the mission even if they didn't mention it that would be no problem for me game is already far more realistic than other games and rockstar tried to cut realistic aspects of the game in some missions so we can enjoy the action more 

 

some say story is bad no it isn't story is well connected and one of the best stories I Enjoyed  

 

camp upgrades are for cosmetic I Understood that early in the game  so I Did not had any frustration when I Bought all the upgrades, but I See Most of the players frustrated about camp upgrades

 

some side missions are actually better than main story missions and tbh I Enjoyed side missions more than main story missions

 

weapons&clothes should be unlocked in the start of the game 

 

I Actually Loved The Uncle 

 

everybody is too sensitive in game crash someone with your horse or just softly touching someone is enough for you to have a 10 or 20 dollar of bounty put in your head actually this make sense because of the era that game is in but still they are too sensitive 

 

legend of the east costume is terrible and when you put it on you are looking like you just escaped from a circus

 

arthur morgan is the best character of this decade

 

Red Dead Redemption 2 should be the end of the Red Dead Redemption Series  if they continue  it will be a another prequel that we all already know enough about it (the story about how did van der linde gang formed) and if they make a game about jack it will be in ww1 and it would be terrible since the outlaws era is long-gone and I Don't want to play another world war simulator

 

game is actually easy  because you can spam health potions etc and npcs do not hit hard 

 

I Will add more to this list later

 

 

 

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Ripstart01
11 hours ago, korhan332 said:

I Just accept the game as it is and I did not complain any of its flaws (mostly because I Didn't see any flaws)

 

gameplay seems normal to me not slow or not too fast

 

about that murdering half of the town, they actually talk about it in missions or when you greet the characters that was in the mission even if they didn't mention it that would be no problem for me game is already far more realistic than other games and rockstar tried to cut realistic aspects of the game in some missions so we can enjoy the action more 

 

some say story is bad no it isn't story is well connected and one of the best stories I Enjoyed  

 

camp upgrades are for cosmetic I Understood that early in the game  so I Did not had any frustration when I Bought all the upgrades, but I See Most of the players frustrated about camp upgrades

 

some side missions are actually better than main story missions and tbh I Enjoyed side missions more than main story missions

 

weapons&clothes should be unlocked in the start of the game 

 

I Actually Loved The Uncle 

 

everybody is too sensitive in game crash someone with your horse or just softly touching someone is enough for you to have a 10 or 20 dollar of bounty put in your head actually this make sense because of the era that game is in but still they are too sensitive 

 

legend of the east costume is terrible and when you put it on you are looking like you just escaped from a circus

 

arthur morgan is the best character of this decade

 

Red Dead Redemption 2 should be the end of the Red Dead Redemption Series  if they continue  it will be a another prequel that we all already know enough about it (the story about how did van der linde gang formed) and if they make a game about jack it will be in ww1 and it would be terrible since the outlaws era is long-gone and I Don't want to play another world war simulator

 

game is actually easy  because you can spam health potions etc and npcs do not hit hard 

 

I Will add more to this list later

 

 

 

All of those are popular opinions. The lowest baseline from the masses.

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The Wolf Man
12 hours ago, korhan332 said:

I Just accept the game as it is and I did not complain any of its flaws (mostly because I Didn't see any flaws)

 

gameplay seems normal to me not slow or not too fast

 

about that murdering half of the town, they actually talk about it in missions or when you greet the characters that was in the mission even if they didn't mention it that would be no problem for me game is already far more realistic than other games and rockstar tried to cut realistic aspects of the game in some missions so we can enjoy the action more 

 

some say story is bad no it isn't story is well connected and one of the best stories I Enjoyed  

 

camp upgrades are for cosmetic I Understood that early in the game  so I Did not had any frustration when I Bought all the upgrades, but I See Most of the players frustrated about camp upgrades

 

some side missions are actually better than main story missions and tbh I Enjoyed side missions more than main story missions

 

weapons&clothes should be unlocked in the start of the game 

 

I Actually Loved The Uncle 

 

everybody is too sensitive in game crash someone with your horse or just softly touching someone is enough for you to have a 10 or 20 dollar of bounty put in your head actually this make sense because of the era that game is in but still they are too sensitive 

 

legend of the east costume is terrible and when you put it on you are looking like you just escaped from a circus

 

arthur morgan is the best character of this decade

 

Red Dead Redemption 2 should be the end of the Red Dead Redemption Series  if they continue  it will be a another prequel that we all already know enough about it (the story about how did van der linde gang formed) and if they make a game about jack it will be in ww1 and it would be terrible since the outlaws era is long-gone and I Don't want to play another world war simulator

 

game is actually easy  because you can spam health potions etc and npcs do not hit hard 

 

I Will add more to this list later

 

 

 

Actually, I'd like to see RDR3 with Jack Marston in some sort of redemption arc.

 

He turned into an outlaw, the last thing John wanted for him. The game could be about Jack trying to become a better man.

 

America joined the WW1 in 1917. There is a 3 year gap (1914-1917) that could be explored I suppose.

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korhan332
12 hours ago, Ripstart01 said:

All of those are popular opinions. The lowest baseline from the masses.

I Don't think all of these are popular opinions but still if they are it's nice 

 

11 hours ago, The Wolf Man said:

Actually, I'd like to see RDR3 with Jack Marston in some sort of redemption arc.

 

He turned into an outlaw, the last thing John wanted for him. The game could be about Jack trying to become a better man.

 

America joined the WW1 in 1917. There is a 3 year gap (1914-1917) that could be explored I suppose.

actually they can make the jack marston story more like arthur morgans story arthur was also trying to become a better man because of his disease I Think he also tried his best before the disease too

 

I'd like to see that kind of story again especially with jack 

 

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Xerukal

John's Epilogue hair is largely okay, aside from the color not being properly dark brown, and the texture itself looking a bit too shiny-clean/not dirty enough. 

 

You can reliably get his hairstyle to look almost exactly like his RDR1 appearance with the hat on. Meaning, the locks of hair on the sides of his face and the placement of his hair in the back. The only huge difference is that his hair isn't dirtied up and squished by wearing the hat (like it is in RDR1, in Mexico when those bandits try to rob him). 

 

No, it's not NPC John accurate. But it is a suitable, "between RDR2 John and RDR1 John" type appearance for his hair. 

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DanceKino
8 hours ago, Xerukal said:

John's Epilogue hair is largely okay, aside from the color not being properly dark brown, and the texture itself looking a bit too shiny-clean/not dirty enough. 

 

You can reliably get his hairstyle to look almost exactly like his RDR1 appearance with the hat on. Meaning, the locks of hair on the sides of his face and the placement of his hair in the back. The only huge difference is that his hair isn't dirtied up and squished by wearing the hat (like it is in RDR1, in Mexico when those bandits try to rob him). 

 

No, it's not NPC John accurate. But it is a suitable, "between RDR2 John and RDR1 John" type appearance for his hair. 

Speaking of color, the pomaded swept back style has proper dark brown color which honestly "fixed" John's hair for me. 

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Xerukal
10 hours ago, DanceKino said:

Speaking of color, the pomaded swept back style has proper dark brown color which honestly "fixed" John's hair for me. 

Nice tip! I'll give that a shot next time I'm on. 

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LeonVegaSuarez

John's hair is more like a very dark grey than a brown

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GinsengElixir
On 2/3/2020 at 1:47 AM, The Wolf Man said:

Actually, I'd like to see RDR3 with Jack Marston in some sort of redemption arc.

 

He turned into an outlaw, the last thing John wanted for him. The game could be about Jack trying to become a better man.

 

America joined the WW1 in 1917. There is a 3 year gap (1914-1917) that could be explored I suppose.

No. Just no.

On 2/7/2020 at 2:52 PM, Xerukal said:

John's Epilogue hair is largely okay, aside from the color not being properly dark brown, and the texture itself looking a bit too shiny-clean/not dirty enough. 

 

 

Tbh even Arthur's hair looks fresh from the salon. I wished they could make it look more dirty, greasy, like his clothes and face.

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Xerukal
52 minutes ago, GinsengElixir said:

Tbh even Arthur's hair looks fresh from the salon. I wished they could make it look more dirty, greasy, like his clothes and face.

Yeah, that's one thing I think was missing from the dirt system (which I believe is already pretty cool). Would've loved to see mud and blood in his hair. I think this could've made photo mode screenshots even cooler, too. Just imagine blood in Arthur's max level beard... damn. Need this in the next game!

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Ironside

The very few people saying that

they want a RDR3 focused on Jack Marston during the years before WW1, NO! I actually do not really feel that there is any need to debate it as I am certain that such a game will never happen but here I am because I obviously have too much free time or just cannot prioritize. 
 

In any case the RDR games belongs to the Western genre no matter that that RDR took place in 1910. Most fans of the RDR games would still be fans and customers if the next game had a totally new cast and took place in earlier years of the old west. On the other hand the game would lose more fans and customers if the next game would be a Boardwalk Empire type of story focusing on Jack Marston. Such a game may still have their fans of course but I would bet money on that most prefer the RDR games to actually stay in the western genre instead of moving into an early type of GTA. 

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LeonVegaSuarez

If there's another RDR game, it should take place before RDR2, not after. When RDR1 ends the cowboy times are basically over. WW1 is about to start. That's not a western game anymore. A game set in the 1860's or 1870's would be cool. More native american storylines, civil war and all that would be nice to see.

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Ironside
7 minutes ago, LeonVegaSuarez said:

If there's another RDR game, it should take place before RDR2, not after. When RDR1 ends the cowboy times are basically over. WW1 is about to start. That's not a western game anymore. A game set in the 1860's or 1870's would be cool. More native american storylines, civil war and all that would be nice to see.

Indeed! This is the RDR that I truly would like to see one day 🙂 

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The Wolf Man

I respect those who would like to see a new Red Dead game in the 1800s, with new cast of characters perhaps. But I disagree.

The way I see, the Red Dead games are about the Marston family. The story of John was pretty much told in both RDR1 and RDR2. The only way now is forward (aka Jack Marston).

I know they are supposed to be western games, but the "cost of civilization" is also one of the main themes, a theme which could be heavily explored in the years before WW1. 

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Xerukal

I don't think they need to limit themselves to Marston anymore. They can simply abandon the Redemption part and go with a new naming convention if they wish to start with a new protagonist (or a story theme that does not involve redeeming one's self in some way).

 

I, for one, would adore a Red Dead Something Something game where we play as a Native American character. Maybe involve Charles somehow, to tie things back to the Van Der Linge gang. There's plenty of ideas to go off of, I feel. We don't need a game that goes past 1911. 

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Western Gunslinger

Sometime I would log in to RDO and just think how much of a disgrace that game is

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Gettin up

Completely lost interest on single player after I completed the story as Arthur and moved to Online.

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Ironside
1 hour ago, Gettin up said:

Completely lost interest on single player after I completed the story as Arthur and moved to Online.

That would probably be the most unpopular opinion about the game so far 🙂 I hate online but I will give you a like for actually posting a real unpopular opinion. 

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JetNormalGuy
On 2/8/2019 at 1:18 AM, SonOfLiberty said:

-The eating, sleeping, taking care of Arthur's horse etc gets no where near in the way like some claim it. It's the "friends call every 5 minutes" from GTA IV all over again. Exaggerated to epic proportions. 

 

 

I'm pretty sure you said somewhere that the "friends call every 5 minutes" from gta IV was a good feature.

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JB1982

On the subject of the Red Dead franchise, if they continue with the Redemption title, I would say that it is likely to be another story focusing on the history of the Van Der Linde gang. Maybe it will be the start of it all when Dutch and Hosea meet and form the gang. Or maybe a bit later when we can see them at their peak. I'm sure that with the amount of time Dutch and Hosea have known each other that there are lots of members of the gang that we never got to meet across that time period.

 

Alternatively, maybe we will take control of John once more. He left the gang for a year. What did he get up to during that time? Maybe that's a tale to tell there.

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Dan_1983

Playing as John for a third time would be overkill.

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TheJesus1996
21 hours ago, Legion of Hell said:

Sometime I would log in to RDO and just think how much of a disgrace that game is

Agree lol, I might follow along that game if they atleast gave our character a little bit of personality a voice, solo lobbies, solo missions and bang! I can pretend I'm playing that single player expansion we will never have...

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Gtaman_92
On 2/8/2020 at 2:30 PM, The Wolf Man said:

I respect those who would like to see a new Red Dead game in the 1800s, with new cast of characters perhaps. But I disagree.

The way I see, the Red Dead games are about the Marston family. The story of John was pretty much told in both RDR1 and RDR2. The only way now is forward (aka Jack Marston).

I know they are supposed to be western games, but the "cost of civilization" is also one of the main themes, a theme which could be heavily explored in the years before WW1. 

Red Dead Revolver exists you know and the whole "Old West is dying" theme is becoming a bit of a cliche now. A prohibition/great depression era Red Dead would not work since it's not exactly the old west anymore. 

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Jutland
12 minutes ago, Gtaman_92 said:

Red Dead Revolver exists you know and the whole "Old West is dying" theme is becoming a bit of a cliche now. A prohibition/great depression era Red Dead would not work since it's not exactly the old west anymore. 

Yeah this. 
 

I’d really like a straightforward Wild West game. Like Red Dead Revolver, but using state of the art video game technology. Cowboys and Indians and gunslingers and settlers.

 

The themes of morality and redemption and the passing-of-an-era in RDR and RDR2 are all good, but they are not necessary for a good Wild West cowboy game, not by a long shot. It should be possible to dump these big themes, and still have a good game.

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Ironside
2 hours ago, Jutland said:

Yeah this. 
 

I’d really like a straightforward Wild West game. Like Red Dead Revolver, but using state of the art video game technology. Cowboys and Indians and gunslingers and settlers.

 

The themes of morality and redemption and the passing-of-an-era in RDR and RDR2 are all good, but they are not necessary for a good Wild West cowboy game, not by a long shot. It should be possible to dump these big themes, and still have a good game.

I agree! I would even say that a game made with state of the art video game technology that is about the old west without the “end of an era”, would even make a greater game than the ones we have now. RDR explored the death of the old west well enough and I actually think that RDR2 would have been an even greater game if it took place at least 15 years earlier than it ended up doing. 
 

So yes, I totally agree with you. 

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