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captain jack sparrow

all gta games take place in one universe

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captain jack sparrow

people should stop saying that the do not take place in the same universe this is just a poor  excuse by rockstar 

for example in faranklin's new home you can find a disc that says it's from og loc og loc loc is from gta san andreas an old game from rockstar that it is supposed to take place in another "universe"

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ChiroVette
3 hours ago, captain jack sparrow said:

people should stop saying that the do not take place in the same universe this is just a poor  excuse by rockstar 

for example in faranklin's new home you can find a disc that says it's from og loc og loc loc is from gta san andreas an old game from rockstar that it is supposed to take place in another "universe"

 

I don't think its an excuse, per se. What you have to realize is that GTA games simply do not get the kinds of continuity of canon that TV and movie series like Star Trek, for example, might get. In the end, GTA is just a videogame, and if Rockstar wants to have it both ways, they can. Meaning that, yes, the games take place in different universes or realities. Yes, strangely, you have these references to past games that are basically nothing more than Easter Eggs. There is your example, of course. What about the infamous graffiti on a wall somewhere in LC in GTA IV saying "Claude is dead."

 

Then there is another reference to San Andreas, in Hood Safari, where you can see clearly that CJ, Rider, and Big Smoke riding their bicycles on Grove Street? What about Lazlow making his way in every single GTA, both the 3D Era and the HD Era? And some of the other radio personalities as well.

 

The point is that Rockstar gets to play it fast and loose with their fragmented canon, because they have made it clear that all their characters are disposable, and they don't seem particularly interested in answering big questions like, what happened to Claude after the events of III? What happened to Tommy V after the mid 80's? What the hell happened to Donald Love? What about the crooked cop, Ray? What happened to guys like Tony, Luigi, CJ, Sweet, Kendl, and company? I personally think this is a missed opportunity of storytelling, but that's me. Rockstar seems to view their new GTA games as completely self contained units, meaning they don't ever feel obliged to answer fan questions about continuity with regards to events in previous games.

 

Its just much easier, I guess, to treat 99% of the lore that occurred in past games as irrelevant to the current game, other than an honorable mention or the using of minor characters in one game, brought into another for low level fan service. They killed off Johnny K in V, obviously. They killed off Avery Carrington in LCS. They made a complete mockery of Lazlow's character in V. They allow the player to decide if they want to kill off Trevor or Michael at the end of V. I have no doubt that if the C Ending is canon, they would easily, and with no more thought that a tongue-in-cheek reference, kill of any or all of the V protagonists in a coming game.

 

Rockstar treats GTA as a social parody, and they aren't nearly as concerned with canon as fans are. They may mention one or two here and there, maybe even add a few Easter Egg references in missions like Random Events. You might get graffiti and bicycle riders. But that's about all the continuity we can expect from the franchise. So it isn't that they are making excuses so much as they just don't give a crap or take the stories nearly as seriously from one game to the next as fans do.

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billiejoearmstrong8

I think it's fair that the stories/continuity between the games aren't consistent and that they explain this by saying the 3D era and HD era games are different, nothing wrong with that. However it's dumb when they insist they're in totally different universes when there's soooooo many links between them. Even more dumb when fans adamantly insist it and say things like "there's no POSSIBLE way that could be a reference to San Andreas in GTA V, Rockstar says they're two separate universes and that's that" lol. Example being two characters who are called Denise, are African American, live round the corner from Grove Street, are linked to local gangs, and who would be about the same ages in 1992/2013. Is it canon the same character no, but it obviously isn't just a coincidence either. Or even more straightforward the same Lazlow character being in every game. And aside from characters and story most of the world (city names etc) and things in it (car names etc) are the same. Reality is there's a mix between the same and different universes going on.

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Syrens

I've always treated 3D and HD as parallels universes. Just my thoughts. 

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Grotti Vigilante

These things are known as Easter Eggs. Just because Franklin has a disc reading OG Loc doesn't mean it takes place in the same universe. There's even graffiti in GTA IV suggesting all 3D universe protagonists are dead. It's merely an Easter Egg though with no bearing on the actual universe. I mean how can you claim they all take place in the same universe when the cities are so differently designed and such? You mean to tell me that someone decided to rebuild Los Santos and turned it into a Hawaiian island after doing serious work on the terrain and everything? Forgive me if that sounded a bit blunt, but to say they all take place in the same universe is an extraordinary claim, and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Far as we're all concerned, they're separate.

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captain jack sparrow
1 hour ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

I think it's fair that the stories/continuity between the games aren't consistent and that they explain this by saying the 3D era and HD era games are different, nothing wrong with that. However it's dumb when they insist they're in totally different universes when there's soooooo many links between them. Even more dumb when fans adamantly insist it and say things like "there's no POSSIBLE way that could be a reference to San Andreas in GTA V, Rockstar says they're two separate universes and that's that" lol. Example being two characters who are called Denise, are African American, live round the corner from Grove Street, are linked to local gangs, and who would be about the same ages in 1992/2013. Is it canon the same character no, but it obviously isn't just a coincidence either. Or even more straightforward the same Lazlow character being in every game. And aside from characters and story most of the world (city names etc) and things in it (car names etc) are the same. Reality is there's a mix between the same and different universes going on.

great answer my dude all gta games are overall connected but of course all gta games are different at some things this was the best answer yet i totally

agree

have a great day

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billiejoearmstrong8
56 minutes ago, Grotti Vigilante said:

These things are known as Easter Eggs. Just because Franklin has a disc reading OG Loc doesn't mean it takes place in the same universe. There's even graffiti in GTA IV suggesting all 3D universe protagonists are dead. It's merely an Easter Egg though with no bearing on the actual universe. I mean how can you claim they all take place in the same universe when the cities are so differently designed and such? You mean to tell me that someone decided to rebuild Los Santos and turned it into a Hawaiian island after doing serious work on the terrain and everything? Forgive me if that sounded a bit blunt, but to say they all take place in the same universe is an extraordinary claim, and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Far as we're all concerned, they're separate.

But there's literally hundreds of links between them that make them all part of a GTA world (as opposed to say another game based on the same themes/city). The cities have the same fictional names, Lazlow exists with the same timeline/backstory, stores, products, cars etc have the same designs and names. It's more than just references and easter eggs, the whole core of the games's worlds are the same and it's mostly only the characters and storylines that are different/separate. It just isn't as black and white as they're either completely the same or completely separate.

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Copcaller

It's called an Easter egg TC same with the graffiti from 4 saying RIP to all the protagonists. 

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silly_nate
13 hours ago, captain jack sparrow said:

people should stop saying that the do not take place in the same universe this is just a poor  excuse by rockstar 

for example in faranklin's new home you can find a disc that says it's from og loc og loc loc is from gta san andreas an old game from rockstar that it is supposed to take place in another "universe"

Okay then how do you explain Liberty City’s geography changing A LOT between 2001-2008? What about Los Santos’ geography changing as well between 1992-2013?

Explain that, please.

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SonOfLiberty

I like to think of each subsequent "era" as its own form of a reboot. A bit like Tim Burton's Batman movies vs Chris Nolan's Batman movies. You have different iterations of Batman, Gotham City etc, but they're not technically the same.

 

I can't remember who it was, but someone said you could possibly think of the 3D era GTAs existing within the HD era as movies/tv shows which is why you see footage of San Andreas on GTA IV's in game TV, the CJ billboards etc. I mean at the end of the day I just think R* like lacing their games with Easter Eggs which is why you also see them referring to Bully, Manhunt etc.

 

I don't know maybe it's just me, but the idea that every GTA exists or have existed in the same canon seems a bit far fetched for my liking. That's probably why this whole 'universe" segregation thing first formed.

 

 

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Copcaller

But it does make you wonder was there an HD version of cj in the 90s?

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billiejoearmstrong8
18 hours ago, silly_nate said:

Okay then how do you explain Liberty City’s geography changing A LOT between 2001-2008? What about Los Santos’ geography changing as well between 1992-2013?

Explain that, please.

Explain Lazlow being the same exact character with the same timeline/backstory going through all games from GTA III to V lol

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SonOfLiberty
5 hours ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

Explain Lazlow being the same exact character with the same timeline/backstory going through all games from GTA III to V lol

It's not like Lazlow's an important/central character though.

 

He's just a radio DJ who appears as a parody of his real life self. I would describe him as a vocal Easter Egg (As strange of a term that sounds lol).

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ThatKyloRenGuy

Well, technically speaking, all GTA games take place in the same universe but then again, so does every video game, movie, piece of literature or TV show that takes place on Earth or some other planet, lol. There really is only one universe IMO (in real life at least). I think a better choice of words is “dimensions”. And to respond to the OP, you are free to think they take place in the same “dimension” per se. However, like most people, I personally think that there are two different dimensions: the 3D (which is what 3, VC, SA, LCS, and VCS take place in) and HD (which is what 4, EFLC, CTW, and 5 take place in) ones. Your opinion is no less valid than ours and vice versa. So stop telling people to stop saying that they don’t take place in the same universe, dimension, world, or whatever you wanna call it. We both have the right to our own opinions. I respect yours and deserve the same respect, as do others.

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silly_nate
12 hours ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

Explain Lazlow being the same exact character with the same timeline/backstory going through all games from GTA III to V lol

@American Venom explained it perfectly.

Would you like to explain the geographical changes between cities?

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TheSantader25

Lazlow, Fernando Martinez or Cris Formage and people like those are exceptions. They represent the satirical side of the series which really does not have borders like the other content in the series. 

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Zello
17 hours ago, Copcaller said:

But it does make you wonder was there an HD version of cj in the 90s?

Maybe but what if instead of being with the families he was a Balla? 

 

I actually like the separate universes. Comic books, TV shows , and movies do reboots all the time. Marvel and DC have rebooted their universes like a million times. Same superheroes but they have some differences some events happen in one universe and don't in another. The batman you have today is not the same batman from the 60s. I don't think R* would create a new universe again though.

 

Sometimes I like to think that the protagonist just missed them. Like in TBOGT when Luis went to the Liberty City Rampage team offices. I like to think that Tommy was there and had a meeting but left just before Luis came to shoot up the place lol.

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Beato_dim
13 hours ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

Explain Lazlow being the same exact character with the same timeline/backstory going through all games from GTA III to V lol

There just happened to be a guy named Lazlow with the same personality and life story in both universes. I mean, there's a lot of similities in the universes as it is; starting with the fact that both feature a planet named Earth with the country USA that has cities name Liberty City, Los Santos (and presumably some other). The point is, different universes don't have to differ in EVERYTHING.

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rollschuh2282
14 hours ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

Explain Lazlow being the same exact character with the same timeline/backstory going through all games from GTA III to V lol

Lazlow never physically appeared until V.

And R*'s rule: characters that physically appeared in the 3D era, can't appear in the HD era.

 

For example Willie from Love fist.

He was the ONLY member in VC that didn't appear physically.

He was only mentioned in VC.

That is why he was able to appear in V in a mission.

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captain jack sparrow
On 2/4/2019 at 1:11 AM, silly_nate said:

Okay then how do you explain Liberty City’s geography changing A LOT between 2001-2008? What about Los Santos’ geography changing as well between 1992-2013?

Explain that, please.

they could have rebuilt the cities just because the citys change that does not mean they are in separate universes  if a game does take place in the same universe as another that does not mean the map will stay the same they will try to make the map better

5 hours ago, rollschuh2282 said:

Lazlow never physically appeared until V.

And R*'s rule: characters that physically appeared in the 3D era, can't appear in the HD era.

 

For example Willie from Love fist.

He was the ONLY member in VC that didn't appear physically.

He was only mentioned in VC.

That is why he was able to appear in V in a mission.

all gtas take place in the same universe deal with it

another example is that lester's house has a book with a photo of cj on the cover

how do you explain this????? just an easter egg and a reference so clear and straight foward??????????? i don't think so!!!!

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rollschuh2282
14 minutes ago, captain jack sparrow said:

all gtas take place in the same universe deal with it

another example is that lester's house has a book with a photo of cj on the cover

how do you explain this????? just an easter egg and a reference so clear and straight foward??????????? i don't think so!!!!

easteregg.

just like in franklin´s house is a book written by a J.Marston.

 

btw, by your logic those little things confirm stuff.

so in GTAIV you can find video game cases of VC and SA.

does that mean that in the HD era they made video games of what apparantly happend in the 80s and 90s?

or is it maybe really just some eastereggs!

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billiejoearmstrong8

Why are hundreds of things being the same in different "universes" all written off as easter eggs or a small things or excused away on technicalities lol. It's still the same character in both games whether it's just their voice or not. It's clearly more than easter eggs when, for just one example, the majority of cars have the the same names and designs in these different universes. While of course the universes are different/separate in many ways at the same time as well, I don't understand the need for it to be labelled so black and white. "Parallel universes" as mentioned earlier is the best description so far.

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D9fred95
4 hours ago, captain jack sparrow said:

they could have rebuilt the cities just because the citys change that does not mean they are in separate universes  if a game does take place in the same universe as another that does not mean the map will stay the same they will try to make the map better

 

Yes, two major US cities completely overhauled their entire geography, one in two decades and one in less than a decade. Using the argument that "cities change" is flawed since usually when a real city makes changes, it's a few new roads or a building is torn down and redesigned. Not leveling the whole city just to build it from the ground up again. The amount of people who'd get displaced would be enormous, even if they redesigned each section bit by bit.

 

Saint's Row 2 is a more realistic take on a city redeveloping itself: A major corporation overhauled an entire district of Stilwater in the name of one man who died before his vision could be fulfilled. This brought the company new found wealth which allowed them to redevelop other areas and add new districts. Yet despite all this, Stilwater still kept it's overall geography.

 

Compare this to GTA 3 LC and IV LC: IV has more islands, different bridges, completely different road layout, different buildings, no dam, no football stadium and the airport is larger and on the other side of the city. All within 7 years with no in-universe reason. Yeah, no.

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billiejoearmstrong8
53 minutes ago, D9fred95 said:

Yes, two major US cities completely overhauled their entire geography, one in two decades and one in less than a decade. Using the argument that "cities change" is flawed since usually when a real city makes changes, it's a few new roads or a building is torn down and redesigned. Not leveling the whole city just to build it from the ground up again. The amount of people who'd get displaced would be enormous, even if they redesigned each section bit by bit.

 

Saint's Row 2 is a more realistic take on a city redeveloping itself: A major corporation overhauled an entire district of Stilwater in the name of one man who died before his vision could be fulfilled. This brought the company new found wealth which allowed them to redevelop other areas and add new districts. Yet despite all this, Stilwater still kept it's overall geography.

 

Compare this to GTA 3 LC and IV LC: IV has more islands, different bridges, completely different road layout, different buildings, no dam, no football stadium and the airport is larger and on the other side of the city. All within 7 years with no in-universe reason. Yeah, no.

If you're trying to make the argument that the entire universe is different there's not much point in arguing over just the geography when there's multiple other things that are the same. And vice versa trying to argue they're entirely the same when there's multiple things that are different. It's a fact that there's multiple differences/inconsistencies and multiple similarities/consistencies between the 3D and HD universes, I don't know how anyone can try and argue it's absolutely one or the other lol.

 

Always been interesting to me how people get so passionate about it when it's like, a fictional artistic thing that doesn't have to be black and white.

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Libeaus Desconus
13 hours ago, American Venom said:

It's not like Lazlow's an important/central character though.

 

He's just a radio DJ who appears as a parody of his real life self. I would describe him as a vocal Easter Egg (As strange of a term that sounds lol).

He was present in 7 GTAs though. Interacted with characters like Toni's Ma (who called him Lazarus at one point) and Donald Love. Even passed a shady deal with Love Media to be able to stay on the air in 2001. Fast forward, They even brought him back in GTA:Online (2018) along with dialogues and mo-cap cut-scenes for the club update. The Lazlow from HD universe still got memories from 3D universe oddly enough. How can we rule that out ?

 

I'm scared to think about what poor Lazlow would have to do to be considered a central character in that global story around here ...

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SonOfLiberty
1 hour ago, Libeaus Desconus said:

He was present in 7 GTAs though. Interacted with characters like Toni's Ma (who called him Lazarus at one point) and Donald Love. Even passed a shady deal with Love Media to be able to stay on the air in 2001. Fast forward, They even brought him back in GTA:Online (2018) along with dialogues and mo-cap cut-scenes for the club update. The Lazlow from HD universe still got memories from 3D universe oddly enough. How can we rule that out ?

 

I'm scared to think about what poor Lazlow would have to do to be considered a central character in that global story around here ...

 

He might've been in multiple GTA games, but by important/central character I mean someone who has a bearing on the story. In truth most GTA players probably wouldn't know who he is unless they're up to speed with all the games he's been in.

 

He didn't physically appear until GTA V, but like I said he's always appeared as a parody of his real life self and in turn is one of the few characters to break the 4th wall. If this is the only evidence that all GTA games are mysteriously connected and occurred or have occurred in the same time space we might as well say they've occurred in our own universe because of the cameos by Phil Collins, Katt Williams and Ricky Gervais.

 

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Zello

The secrets of the GTA universe are kept in Niko's suitcase.

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ChiroVette

I think that what I said above mitigates the same universe versus different universe idea, at least to an extent. If I had to guess, I think that Rockstar is not creating their games in the same way that screenwriters and TV series writers create canon for their movies and shows. Isn't it just possible that all the argument about whether these games collectively take place in the same or different universes is sort of moot. If Rockstar had any intention of being meticulous about the various threads they weave through, not only different games, but different generations of the same franchise, wouldn't they be a lot more careful than this? Meaning, if we are to believe that these are truly different universes, then shouldn't that be written into the narrative somewhere? In Spider-Verse, for instance, all the various Spider-Men/Women/Pigs/Symbiotes come from different universes in the multiverse. There is your explanation, and both in the original Marvel comics and the current movie, that points is hammered home voraviously.

 

Yet with this discussion, the only real, verified information people can cite is that someone from Rockstar said something about alternate realities in in some interview I can't remember when and where I read.

 

The point is I don't think either single GTA games or the particular generation of GTA games take place wholly in the same universe or, for that matter, different universes. Not really. Because there is no clear delineation anywhere that they occur in different universes. Nor can you say they are technically in the same universe, since so many things are inconsistent and off all over the place. So we are now left to either debate this as a serious, conceptual issue, or simply accept that neither position is truly correct.

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D9fred95
3 hours ago, ChiroVette said:

Yet with this discussion, the only real, verified information people can cite is that someone from Rockstar said something about alternate realities in in some interview I can't remember when and where I read.

Pretty sure it's this one.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/gamesblog/2012/nov/12/grand-theft-auto-v-preview-gta-5

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ChiroVette

@D9fred95, fair enough, but that wasn't my point. I was half kidding with that comment. My real point is that its fairly obvious that Rockstar is not particularly meticulous with GTA cannon, either from one game to the next, or one gen to the next. It appears to me like they are almost haphazard with the canon for characters, the cities, and storylines. I don't get the sense that the writers at Rockstar have any real intent to have the kind of fastidious canonical detail that you would see in various movie sequels or TV series episodes, where you have people that consistently act as fact checkers for any and all canonical inconsistencies and vagaries.

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