Old leaks that came true...

[Gummy]

One of the things I like to do post-launch of a R* game is see if there was any leaks that came true. Aside from the facts about what actually came true, some of these provide info about the general state of the game at the time, what was already in the game, and the development as well.

 

This was one of the more interesting leaks

 

That was posted around 2016 and 90% of what was said was true. Hell, they've already implemented the mare breeding mini-game back then, I wonder how much of the story was already written and programmed in back in 2016, and what they've been working on since. Does R* program the story line mission chronologically or is it in random order? I'd be cool to see how much was already in back then.

 

Another interesting thing is when he said that the directive in which the environment has to be interactive, which is true seeing how many items that can be collected in places which reminds me of how Skyrim does it. RDR2 is a massive step up in environment interaction compared to GTA V.

 

The last thing, and probably the most interesting one are the behind the scenes enviroment at R*, "morale at R* SD had been bad. Long timers are quiting. Lots of turnover. Lots of frustration" and how the game was stuck in development hell if and the team was confused about the gameplay.  RDR2 has been in development since the first game was completed, and probably only entered full development after the release of GTA V. Ever since GTA EFLC, most Rockstar games are worked in a collaborative manner under the brand R* studios. I wonder if the low morale and chaotic development isn't only on R* San Diego, but other studios as well, since I've heard some rumors here and there about a massive number of employees leaving or being laid off after the firing of The Benz, which in turn slowed down development on many projects, some of which include the SP DLC for GTA V.

[DrDetroit]

Interesting!  Thanks for sharing.  

 

BTW; who is 'The Benz"?  I take it he was a lead developer/engineer?

[PapasHota]

Also the leaked map and the site that C* sued after leaking that there would be fishing and New Austin.

[Zello]

The map leak was real

1 hour ago, DrDetroit said:

Interesting!  Thanks for sharing.  

 

BTW; who is 'The Benz"?  I take it he was a lead developer/engineer?

Leslie Benzies. President of R* North and helped on every GTA from III all the way to V and GTA online was mainly his idea. Got let go in 2014 apparently because he put his name last in the credits for GTA online instead of Sam.

[MarlboroMan1995]

3 hours ago, PapasHota said:

Also the leaked map and the site that C* sued after leaking that there would be fishing and New Austin.

Yeah, the "Trusted Reviews" article (I think that was the site!). It mentioned fishing, worms for fishing and New Austin. I wish I could go back and read it. If my memory serves me correctly it said there was a slums market where items were cheaper, but I don't think that is in game?

[Zello]

1 hour ago, MarlboroMan1995 said:

If my memory serves me correctly it said there was a slums market where items were cheaper, but I don't think that is in game?

I think that was the fence 

[RJX74]

5 hours ago, PapasHota said:

Also the leaked map

For those unaware

 

 

Not used to leaks this big being right. Even had Guarma on it.

Edited January 31, 2019 by RJX74

[stayprivee]

46 minutes ago, RJX74 said:

For those unaware

 

 

Not used to leaks this big being right. Even had Guarma on it.

Does anyone know where this leak originated from? Could be useful for GTA 6 leaks

[Darealbandicoot]

17 hours ago, Zello said:

The map leak was real

Leslie Benzies. President of R* North and helped on every GTA from III all the way to V and GTA online was mainly his idea. Got let go in 2014 apparently because he put his name last in the credits for GTA online instead of Sam.

The original cops and robbers version of GTA Online was his idea. 

[Syrens]

This was interesting.  I only got a PS4 over the holidays so I never followed the run up to this game since I had no means of playing it prior to Christmas.  Always interesting when we can go back over old rumours and see how much was right, and how much could have been a shot in the dark.

[The Jungz]

14 hours ago, RJX74 said:

For those unaware

 

 

Not used to leaks this big being right. Even had Guarma on it.

I never noticed Hanging Dog Ranch and Criard Slaughterhouse were stated as being Caravan Camp.

 

Does that hint to multiple chapters being cut?

[RJX74]

1 hour ago, ThroatSlasher2 said:

I never noticed Hanging Dog Ranch and Criard Slaughterhouse were stated as being Caravan Camp.

 

Does that hint to multiple chapters being cut?

Wow, I didn't notice that either. So is Dewberry Creek.

 

Edit: Wait, Clemens Cove isn't listed. Maybe Dewberry Creek was the original campsite, but they changed their minds.

Edited January 31, 2019 by RJX74

[Cutter De Blanc]

As Arthur says, Dewberry creek is very exposed. If you set up a campsite in that area I like to think that he puts his tent where the camp would have been

[Kirk Lazarus]

I started doing an overlay comparison lastnight to see what was used and what was tossed.  There's some obvious placement changes because of the northern region changes.  It's an interesting exercise to maaaybe find some new place in the game that wasn't used but has some specific geo references to the older map.

[Jabalous]

Redemption 2 had the most significant leaks out of any R*'s game before it. The map alone is something that would never cross someone's mind to be leaked ahead of the release by more than 2 years. 

[stayprivee]

1 hour ago, Jabalous said:

Redemption 2 had the most significant leaks out of any R*'s game before it. The map alone is something that would never cross someone's mind to be leaked ahead of the release by more than 2 years. 

Especially from R*, leaks are extremely hard to come by besides the casting calls. I remember seeing the leaked RDR2 map for the first time, automatically assumed it was just some cheap photoshop knock off. Now we’re using it as a beta hunt.

 

Apparently you were able to rob the Pronghorn, Adler, and Downes Ranch, along with Painted Sky.

[Guest Guest176525326]

15 hours ago, ThroatSlasher2 said:

I never noticed Hanging Dog Ranch and Criard Slaughterhouse were stated as being Caravan Camp.

 

Does that hint to multiple chapters being cut?

Also Annesburg and Van Horn have swapped places.

[gonnaenodaethat]

Och the bairns forget sae quickly these days.

 

Andy Stewart, midgets, Lone wolves, realistic tumbleweed, Ted Way's demise, blah blah blah

[Dr. Ugs]

Link to that comment: 

 

And the user who supposedly leaked the info was u/Reddeadinsider but he deleted his account.

 

[burger_mike]

22 hours ago, Darealbandicoot said:

The original cops and robbers version of GTA Online was his idea. 

Source?

[Spider-Vice]

22 hours ago, Darealbandicoot said:

The original cops and robbers version of GTA Online was his idea. 

I'm not so sure about that tbh... But that's something for another topic.  

[Darealbandicoot]

31 minutes ago, Equatecurl said:

Source?

I read it somewhere here on the forums. Plus Benzies is making a new Online only video game so maybe.

[Tonesta]

10 hours ago, O.Z said:

Also Annesburg and Van Horn have swapped places.

I think it's actually true that Annesburg didn't move at all - it's still in the same location, relative to everything else, as it was in the leaked map.

 

Van Horn just got moved from the top corner of the map down to where Tallulah Jetty was supposed to be.......presumably to make it more easily accessible/less out of the way

[Cutter De Blanc]

Doesn't make much sense to have a trading post in f*ck ass all the middle of nowhere top corner of the map and not really near any other places to trade with

 

Maybe Van Horn was orginally going to be smaller and placed at that small patch of empty land on the Lannaheche at the northeastern most side of the map

[silly_nate]

1 hour ago, Tonesta said:

I think it's actually true that Annesburg didn't move at all - it's still in the same location, relative to everything else, as it was in the leaked map.

 

Van Horn just got moved from the top corner of the map down to where Tallulah Jetty was supposed to be.......presumably to make it more easily accessible/less out of the way

I think Van Horn being a dying town fits better with it being way up north. When it was up there, you were only going there if you were going there. Fits a dying town narrative better than being between a major city and a booming mining town. 

[Praetor_]

 

[Itscoming2020]

 

[LorshZontek]

Oh

Edited August 3, 2020 by LorshZontek

[SneakyDeaky]

They really shouldn't have messed with Micah! "the story kind of starts when you find out someone in your outlaw gang is a pinkerton spy. The pinkertons end up having you on the run through most of the game"

 

IDK how the story can "kinda start" with Micah being the rat, but it's obvious he was supposed to be a rat since Blackwater until they changed it. Look at these examples.

 

*The Pinkertons show up at Blackwater, the robbery was Micah's plan. 

*The law show up during "Pouring Fourth Oil", the gang think's that's suspicious. 

*Milton and Ross show up outside Horseshoe to try and turn Arthur.

*Mr Cornwall somehow knows when Dutch is randomly hanging out in the saloon in Valentine. 

*The idea for a truce between Dutch and Colm is Micah's, and Arthur is kidnapped from the spot Micah picks out for him. 

*Milton and Ross waltz into the Clemens Point camp like they've come round for tea and a game of cribbage. 

*Jack is taken but I don't think it is ever explained how the Braithwaites got into camp and took him.

*The Pinkertons show up during the bank robbery and in the aftermath Arthur says something about it being too much like Blackwater, Micah says "It ain't nothing like that, cowpoke" but the implication is obvious. 

*The Pinkertons show up in Lakay and Bill is blamed (again!) for bringing them with him. 

 

All the while Micah is constantly talking about the money in Blackwater, and then later, tries to convince Dutch that John, or even Arthur, is a rat. 

 

I'm likely forgetting stuff. There are some red herrings; how much did Molly really say? She was a drunken mess. How serious would the Pinkertons even take her ramblings? And there's no doubt the gang made way too much noise in Scarlett Meadows, robbing a Cornwall stage for a start would have alerted the Pinkertons that the gang was in SM. The gang was always careless and that brought a lot of heat. 

 

But it feels like the story was originally supposed to be a sleeping with the enemy type of tragedy, but instead it seems to have been rewrote to suggest that mostly the gang were just stupid and Dutch was just a crazy opportunist who turned on everyone as he lost more and more control of the situation. Dutch is made out to be the evil, manipulative cult leader that spent decades grooming orphans and tear aways into being his army of evil. Did he do that to Hosea, too? Who knew him for 20 years. It's rubbish. Dutch is a conceited control freak and faced with impossible odds he loses control of both the situation and his ideals and becomes a desperate man, but no modern armchair psychology is going to convince me he didn't really love the gang and he didn't want to take them all to paradise, as ridiculous a dream that was.

 

Oh and f*ck Micah!   

Edited August 5, 2020 by SneakyDeaky

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