R* Decisions You Couldn't Understand

[Kyoto]

- Hostile gangs in GTA III, even when you beat the game. Like, I just took down the Columbian Cartel's leader by myself. That by itself should be a reason to get everyone to back off.

 

- Removing songs from re-releases of older titles (especially Vice City) and outright removing songs from GTA IV on it's tenth anniversary.

[Ivan1997GTA]

30 minutes ago, Kyoto said:

- Removing songs from re-releases of older titles (especially Vice City) and outright removing songs from GTA IV on it's tenth anniversary.

And not even bothering to replace the deleted songs in the Definitive Edition re-releases with era-appropriate alternatives.

[NightmanCometh96]

20 minutes ago, Ivan1997GTA said:

And not even bothering to replace the deleted songs in the Definitive Edition re-releases with era-appropriate alternatives.

It's baffling. Even LCS's mobile port (and the emulated PS2 Classic version on PS3) added new songs to Radio Del Mundo to make up for how much was removed (although, bizarrely, some of the new music was made after the game's 1998 setting). And R* did all that for what is arguably the most "obscure" 3D entry in the series; surely they could have given the same treatment to 20th anniversary remasters of the games that established them as the industry giant they are today?

Edited January 6, 2023 by NightmanCometh96

[Midnight Hitman]

Outsourcing the DE to Grove Street Games. That was maybe the one and only chance we could have gotten an actual proper remaster of III, VC and SA on current/next-gen consoles, and they screwed it up by giving that task to GSG. Now we got this ugly turd, and young players will think "why the f*ck everybody keeps praising these games, they're horrible and full of bugs & glitches". So sad.

[Adminsaredicks]

First person mode in GTA V that totally cripples car damage.

 

They were totally high when making it.

Designers were probably talking like this.

 

"How can we make car damage even worse than PS3 version?

"Lets make whole cabin indestructible for functions that nobody is actually using" .

 

"Perfect!"

[Krymefull]

On 1/6/2023 at 7:38 AM, NightmanCometh96 said:

It's baffling. Even LCS's mobile port (and the emulated PS2 Classic version on PS3) added new songs to Radio Del Mundo to make up for how much was removed (although, bizarrely, some of the new music was made after the game's 1998 setting).

Same with Vladivostok FM in the 10th anniversary of GTA IV. They didn't even try to recreate the magic the original tracklist had, instead they just licensed a bunch of cheap Russian songs and call it a day.

 

To add insult into injury, Some of the songs are made after 2008.

Edited July 25, 2023 by DubiousThiny

[gnome child]

R* officially rebuking modding, while also relying on modders to fix their broken ass games. Seriously, think about how garbage the old GTAs would be if not for peeps like Silent, ThirteenAG, and countless others patching their games for them for free. Think about the millions of dollars in sales they've gotten from the old GTAs, knowing that you need SilentPatch to even begin playing them respectably.

You even have people like aap reverse engineering their whole f*cking game and porting them to other platforms and consoles for free, complete with countless bug fixes and QoL improvements.

How is it that a small community of passionate modders are able to outperform the paid professionals? They could have gave the source code to a 14 year old Russian kid on GTAForums and we'd probably have a GTA SA that looks like RDR2 running on DragonflyBSD or some sh*t.

Edited January 15, 2023 by gnome child

[Carbonox]

1 hour ago, gnome child said:

R* officially rebuking modding, while also relying on modders to fix their broken ass games. Seriously, think about how garbage the old GTAs would be if not for peeps like Silent, ThirteenAG, and countless others patching their games for them for free. Think about the millions of dollars in sales they've gotten from the old GTAs, knowing that you need SilentPatch to even begin playing them respectably.

You even have people like aap reverse engineering their whole f*cking game and porting them to other platforms and consoles for free, complete with countless bug fixes and QoL improvements.

How is it that a small community of passionate modders are able to outperform the paid professionals? They could have gave the source code to a 14 year old Russian kid on GTAForums and we'd probably have a GTA SA that looks like RDR2 running on DragonflyBSD or some sh*t.

First of all: You, I like yer name and avatar combo.

 

Also I wonder, if those anti-modder developers have it all figured out themselves, why haven't they made even half the fixes that SilentPatch did? It's like there's this baseless need to hold a total monopoly over the product out of pure pride that's grown so bad they'd rather keep aspects of it half-assed than accept "outsider" help.

[gnome child]

25 minutes ago, Carbonox said:

First of all: You, I like yer name and avatar combo.

 

Also I wonder, if those anti-modder developers have it all figured out themselves, why haven't they made even half the fixes that SilentPatch did? It's like there's this baseless need to hold a total monopoly over the product out of pure pride that's grown so bad they'd rather keep aspects of it half-assed than accept "outsider" help.

My only guess is that they view any maintenance costs to the old games to be an unjustifiable liability, even though they are still raking in money off them from digital sales -- sales largely driven by these old games modding potential. I don't know why they couldn't recruit people like Silent, whose work rivals or exceeds the capabilities of many of their current developers, on to a community maintenance team to keep these games updated for modern hardware.

The disasters that were the Definitive Editions could have been totally avoided if they just consulted with the modding community. Anyone could have told them that basing these remakes off of the janky mobile ports was a laughably bad idea. A huge percentage of bugs from the original games would have been fixed long before official release. GTAF reverse engineered the much-loved PS2 atmospheres from those games and could have applied that character to the new versions. Actually bonkers that R* has all of these people and resources freely available to them here and completely ignore it.

[Pistol Bobcat]

Still replaying all of GA IV and another one comes to mind.

 

Bahama Mamas

 

Arguably the coolest, liveliest nightclub in the entire game with such a great atmosphere and music. They used this place heavily in early trailers to market the game.

 

And after one mission, ONE mission it’s closed forever! What the actual f*ck was the thinking behind this? Especially when you consider the Triangle club and Maisonette both have similar shootouts and are open again in one week! If that happened today there would be a lot of accusations of false advertising in the first trailer! There’s also absolutely no reason Luis shouldn’t be able to to enter before the mission takes place too
 

imagine being one of the developers who worked hard to build the place only for it to be one mission only

Edited January 16, 2023 by Pistol Bobcat

[.Ryan.]

20 hours ago, Pistol Bobcat said:

Still replaying all of GA IV and another one comes to mind.

 

Bahama Mamas

 

Arguably the coolest, liveliest nightclub in the entire game with such a great atmosphere and music. They used this place heavily in early trailers to market the game.

 

And after one mission, ONE mission it’s closed forever! What the actual f*ck was the thinking behind this? Especially when you consider the Triangle club and Maisonette both have similar shootouts and are open again in one week! If that happened today there would be a lot of accusations of false advertising in the first trailer! There’s also absolutely no reason Luis shouldn’t be able to to enter before the mission takes place too
 

imagine being one of the developers who worked hard to build the place only for it to be one mission only

To be fair at least there was an in game explanation as to why it closed.

 

I found it odd to go back the Triangle Club after “Undress To Kill” like nothing happened, but that’s just me.

 

In saying that regarding Bahama Mamas maybe they wanted it to feel more special since there were already a couple of nightclubs in the game and since it was designed more elaborately it stood out more for a mission than something you could already access in free roam.
 

Probably wouldn’t have had the same vibe. I’m not the biggest fan of TBOGT, but this was one of its best parts IMO. 

[universetwisters]

Don’t forget you can also go into Perestroika like nothing happened after killing a bunch of dudes in there and Faustin on the roof 

[Krymefull]

On 1/17/2023 at 1:29 PM, universetwisters said:

Don’t forget you can also go into Perestroika like nothing happened after killing a bunch of dudes in there and Faustin on the roof 

It becomes even funnier when you realize that Mikhail Faustin is the owner of Perestrokia.

Edited September 1, 2023 by DubiousThiny

[Pistol Bobcat]

2 hours ago, universetwisters said:

Don’t forget you can also go into Perestroika like nothing happened after killing a bunch of dudes in there and Faustin on the roof 

 

I hadn't even considered that one, thank you

 

It's just crazy how much they promoted the club and then leave it closed permanently, one of the only legitimate dick moves when making the whole IV saga. Just say Yusuf bought the place.

 

Heck they built a Bahama Mamas West for GTA V and its still an unused asset. Ironic

[universetwisters]

2 minutes ago, Pistol Bobcat said:

Heck they built a Bahama Mamas West for GTA V and its still an unused asset. Ironic

Watch them use it for an online mission like they did the unused police station interiors 

[Krooked_]

I never understood why Rockstar didn't add the triathlons from TBoGT to the multiplayer - it would've made for some great fun.

[B Dawg]

30 minutes ago, Krooked_ said:

I never understood why Rockstar didn't add the triathlons from TBoGT to the multiplayer - it would've made for some great fun.

Yeah it's pretty crazy how they put more effort into Multiplayer for the PSP games than they did TBOGT (VCS had multiple race types, including Triathlons).

[Silver]

On 1/16/2023 at 2:52 PM, Pistol Bobcat said:

Still replaying all of GA IV and another one comes to mind.

 

Bahama Mamas

 

Arguably the coolest, liveliest nightclub in the entire game with such a great atmosphere and music. They used this place heavily in early trailers to market the game.

 

And after one mission, ONE mission it’s closed forever! What the actual f*ck was the thinking behind this? Especially when you consider the Triangle club and Maisonette both have similar shootouts and are open again in one week! If that happened today there would be a lot of accusations of false advertising in the first trailer! There’s also absolutely no reason Luis shouldn’t be able to to enter before the mission takes place too
 

imagine being one of the developers who worked hard to build the place only for it to be one mission only

They realized the place doesn't have bathrooms at all so they decided to close it forever using the shootout and Luis' aversion for the Alderney crowd as an excuse.

[Adminsaredicks]

I simply cannot understand few things regarding trains.

 

First, there is no free roam in subway, tram in gta titles. Just panoramatic camera. I would like camera at least in first person to observe interior and exterior. Mafia had it in 2002...

 

Second unstopable train in GTAV, meme worthy lackluster of coding. Because trams can stop any time.

 

We cannot destroy train or derail it. Even we cannot drive it outside mission. They code driving in that mission for like three minutes, why? 

 

No passenger trains in GTA V . I hate it 

 

I think they did amazing work with trains in RDR2, but I think GTA are still lackluster.

Edited January 18, 2023 by Ondr4H

[Kalashnikov1947]

On 1/15/2023 at 8:25 PM, 2L8 said:

same with Vladivostok FM in the 10th anniversary of gta iv, i feel like whenever they add a new playlist to make up for the old one, they don't care about what year it was made and just add any song that doesn't fit with the year the game takes place in, absolute careless

Truth be told, Rockstar never gave a rat's asshole about the song's release date and whether or not it fits a game's timeline when it comes to retroactively adding music into their GTA games.

This goes way back to EFLC where plenty of songs from 2009 were added into the game despite being set an year before these songs were released.

Edited May 27, 2023 by Panzermann11

[E Revere]

The new Vladivostok is a complete botch. The original station perfectly captures the Post-Soviet musical scene. The new songs just feel like they were randomly picked from a google search of "Russian songs made before 2018" They're not necessarily bad songs, but they don't match the theme of the radio station at all.

[Krooked_]

9 hours ago, Panzermann11 said:

This goes way back to EFLC where plenty of songs from 2009 were added into the game despite being set an year before these songs were released.

Even the lyrics of one of the songs from Statik Selektah's TLaD EP mention "I'm trife in the '09". Bit of a nitpick but it's still weird considering the songs from the EP were written specifically for the game.

 

I think GTA V's "Welcome To Los Santos" album also had some tracks that are from 2014.

Edited March 7, 2023 by Krooked_

[lol232]

In GTA IV, the PC version received EXCLUSIVE OUTIFTS IN PERSEUS as visible here!

 

Except in reality they are just replaced with different outfits (7 of them) and different shoes (6). The open tie suits, which look awesome, and double breasted jackets are all replaced with... ALL only buttoned down suits with just different color ties and maybe different color jackets? I don't understand this choice; why just randomly change 13 clothing items all into very similar looking style suits and crappier shoes? What was wrong with them? Couldn't they have just added the PC "exclusive" suits in on the PC version as an addition rather than a replacement? I mean there was enough space to add them in the Perseus store, and shoes don't even require space, they could have just thrown them in. And what is even dumber here is that even in the PC version of TBOGT, Niko still wears the f*cking open suit with a tie (charcoal suit).

 

It's even weirder because they partially exist in the game files of the PC version (you can wear the onyx suit with the trainer). You can kinda mod them in but it's also partial, no one made a tool to convert console ped models to PC yet. Even then, that is not the point.

 

What the f*ck was the point with REPLACING them? Literally nobody complained about these suits. They could have made your friends less needy on the PC version but f*ck that, right?

Edited March 23, 2023 by lol232
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[The-Ghost]

Testing, playing and then approving the vehicle driving mechanics in GTAIV.

[lol232]

2 hours ago, MaddenedGhost said:

Testing, playing and then approving the vehicle driving mechanics in GTAIV.

Testing, playing, and approving any other driving mechanics that aren't GTA IV's not just in Rockstar but in every other game.

[HenriqueV5]

I will probably just repeat what many others have said in this thread:

Why on earth did Rockstar hire a mobile port company to make a remake of the greatest game in video game history? 

It's like if I handed a Ferrari to a beggar to drive it. LOL

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Why take the classic GTAs out of the stores? Sure they are dated, but many fans would like to play them. 

 

 

[E Revere]

29 minutes ago, HenriqueV5 said:

I will probably just repeat what many others have said in this thread:

Why on earth did Rockstar hire a mobile port company to make a remake of the greatest game in video game history? 

It's like if I handed a Ferrari to a beggar to drive it. LOL

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Why take the classic GTAs out of the stores? Sure they are dated, but many fans would like to play them. 

 

 

Actually, it's worse than that. It's more comparable to if Lamborghini recruited some fresh off the training mechanic who's got a little bit of experience working old Fiats to make a revitalised version of the Miura.

[JetNormalGuy]

14 hours ago, lol232 said:

And what is even dumber here is that even in the PC version of TBOGT, Niko still wears the f*cking open suit with a tie (charcoal suit).

 

This really pissed me off because in my latest 100% playthrough of EFLC, I tried my best to make the protagonists look the same and complete the missions in which they appear happen during the same weather/time to make it, and I was so confused as to why I couldn't find that open suit in Perseus that Niko is wearing in the TBOGT intro. I prefer the closed suits since it makes Niko look even more sharp and professional, but certain clothing articles like the turtle neck and jacket combo looked pretty cool and I would have loved to wear them during the later part of the game when we work for Jon Gravelli or Pegorino and Bell, oh well.

[lol232]

On 3/23/2023 at 9:23 PM, JetNormalGuy said:

This really pissed me off because in my latest 100% playthrough of EFLC, I tried my best to make the protagonists look the same and complete the missions in which they appear happen during the same weather/time to make it, and I was so confused as to why I couldn't find that open suit in Perseus that Niko is wearing in the TBOGT intro. I prefer the closed suits since it makes Niko look even more sharp and professional, but certain clothing articles like the turtle neck and jacket combo looked pretty cool and I would have loved to wear them during the later part of the game when we work for Jon Gravelli or Pegorino and Bell, oh well.

The closest one to the obsidian suit on the console is the onyx suit on the PC version, similar blue tie.

 

I mean that's a matter of preference, but there was literally NOTHING stopping Rockstar from just adding them instead of replacing them. There's an stack of clothes in the first row when you enter that you can't buy and they could have just put them there. And shoes didn't even matter or need the space, they could have given 6 more options and done. I prefer the console versions, Niko looks more like a mobster that way, the closed suits look too formal. Plus I prefer having an open suit with 3 variations and a double breasted suit & turtlenecc with 4 variations over a closed suit with 7 variations and other slight differences, kinda kills variety that way.

Edited March 25, 2023 by lol232
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[lol232]

Sorry for the double post but I have to note another really dumb thing Rockstar did with these suits.

 

That code doesn't recognize the "three button jacket" suits from the PC version that replaced the "double breasted suit & turtlenecc" as a "suit with a tie". 

I believe that in all other missions that require you to wear a suit, you can wear any other Perseus clothing, but "Final Interview" specifically asks for one with a tie.

 

Except:

 

(From reddit)

 

The game still thinks the 3 button suits are double breasted ones that don't have a tie, so you can still only proceed this mission if you wear an onyx/obsidian/charcoal suit. 

 

I sound like a broken record but why did they get changed? Aside from the weapon recoil removal, this is the only noticeable gameplay change the PC version received.

It seems so random, who the hell thought "You know what the PC version needs? A bunch of suits replaced!"?

 

I'll rant about the weapon recoil removal later.

Edited March 25, 2023 by lol232