R* Decisions You Couldn't Understand

[Be-Deliver]

When you're hanging out with Kate it gets mentioned from her and hinted a couple times from Packie that he is overprotected of her and will attack anyone that dares to look at her funny. When choosing the revenge ending, I wonder why Packie wasn't with you chasing Pegorino despite Jimmy accidentally killing Kate in a drive by to murder Niko for declining the deal. 

[.Ryan.]

16 minutes ago, Be-Deliver said:

When you're hanging out with Kate it gets mentioned from her and hinted a couple times from Packie that he is overprotected of her and will attack anyone that dares to look at her funny. When choosing the revenge ending, I wonder why Packie wasn't with you chasing Pegorino despite Jimmy accidentally killing Kate in a drive by to murder Niko for declining the deal. 

 

He stays with Maureen to comfort her during her grieving process. There's even a phone call he makes to Niko shortly after Kate dies so while he probably wanted to go along with Niko he also didn't want to leave his mother alone and potentially risk being another casualty if things went astray.

[EkaSwede]

On 10/11/2021 at 6:37 PM, Killerman29 said:

while we ban mods yay!

Kinda like Tomas "bitch ass" Edison who tried to remove Nikola Tesla from history so he could take credit for his ideas.

[lol232]

I have no idea why they didn't make this door openable/accessible, I mean it's Franklin's house, and it's a faster access to the garage and way out?!

[.Ryan.]

I don’t think this has been mentioned before, but I’ve always wondered why R* didn’t wait to put the Scarface soundtrack songs into Vice City since. …well it’s largely inspired by Scarface?

 

Flashback FM is my favourite radio station in GTA III, but I admit when I listen to it I wish those songs were in Vice City as they’d fit the atmosphere and tone so much better.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, MiamiViceCity1986 said:

I don’t think this has been mentioned before, but I’ve always wondered why R* didn’t wait to put the Scarface soundtrack songs into Vice City since. …well it’s largely inspired by Scarface?

 

Flashback FM is my favourite radio station in GTA III, but I admit when I listen to it I wish those songs were in Vice City as they’d fit the atmosphere and tone so much better.

Maybe so as not to make the game look like a cheap Scarface rip-off? VC was simply intended to just pay homage to the said movie (in a rather respectful way, may I add?) like it does to several others of the same kind(?), it would've felt like a crappy copy-paste to use those songs TBH.

 

Not to mention VC's storyline kinda serves the purpose of the film's in-game parody too (at least IMO), so... *shrugs*

[The Tracker]

7 hours ago, MiamiViceCity1986 said:

I don’t think this has been mentioned before, but I’ve always wondered why R* didn’t wait to put the Scarface soundtrack songs into Vice City since. …well it’s largely inspired by Scarface?

 

Flashback FM is my favourite radio station in GTA III, but I admit when I listen to it I wish those songs were in Vice City as they’d fit the atmosphere and tone so much better.

 

Believe me, that could have been one of the lamest decisions ever put by R*. 

 

Vice City was already too much of a reference to Scarface, so putting the exact same soundtrack made for that movie into the game would have been way too much, it would have made the game feel rather like a videogame version of it, or even a parody, rather than its own thing, like the game proved to be when it added its own selection of songs. 

Edited October 21, 2021 by The Tracker

[.Ryan.]

21 hours ago, H-G said:

Maybe so as not to make the game look like a cheap Scarface rip-off? VC was simply intended to just pay homage to the said movie (in a rather respectful way, may I add?) like it does to several others of the same kind(?), it would've felt like a crappy copy-paste to use those songs TBH.

 

Not to mention VC's storyline kinda serves the purpose of the film's in-game parody too (at least IMO), so... *shrugs*

I don’t get what you mean that it would make it look like “crappy copy and paste” when there are far more brazen and obvious references like apartment 3C, the office in Tommy’s mansion etc so what harm could a few songs possibly do?

 

It’s not I’m saying the entirety of Scarface’s soundtrack should’ve replaced what Vice City currently has, but it’s hindsight that’s all and something that has bothered me for years as both a fan of Scarface and Vice City. I love the numerous Scarface references, but the fact it doesn’t include even a single distinguishable song is bothersome to me personally.

 

If anything at all their inclusion in GTA III doesn’t make much sense since GTA III has almost an exclusively original soundtrack that was curated for the game so having songs plucked from a soundtrack of a movie it doesn’t directly reference is a bit weird.

 

 

Edited October 22, 2021 by MiamiViceCity1986

[Guest]

5 hours ago, MiamiViceCity1986 said:

I don’t get what you mean that it would make it look like “crappy copy and paste” when there are far more brazen and obvious references like apartment 3C, the office in Tommy’s mansion etc so what harm could a few songs possibly do?

 

It’s not I’m saying the entirety of Scarface’s soundtrack should’ve replaced what Vice City currently has, but it’s hindsight that’s all and something that has bothered me for years as both a fan of Scarface and Vice City. I love the numerous Scarface references, but the fact it doesn’t include even a single distinguishable song is bothersome to me personally.

 

If anything at all their inclusion in GTA III doesn’t make much sense since GTA III has almost an exclusively original soundtrack that was curated for the game so having songs plucked from a soundtrack of a movie it doesn’t directly reference is a bit weird.

 

 

Now that you've said their inclusion in GTA3 makes no sense, I gotta be honest, I agree with you. Having 80's music in a game set in 2001 feels really off TBH, well I guess they had to put something in for a station that plays '80s pop music.

 

I guess if they already had VC as a new GTA game in mind during GTA3's development, they surely would've thought about the Scarface OST's inclusion into it.

And coming to think of it, hypothetically, even if R* had added the Scarface OST to VC instead of GTA3 anyhow, which station they would've featured it on? Flash FM's playlist is pretty much full with all the songs in it rounding up an overall playlist time of roughly more than one hour.

 

What I was trying to say earlier is basically what @The Tracker said, they did their own thing with VC by using a distinct selection of music instead of making the whole game a video game adaption of the film.

 

Other than that, if GTA3's Flashback FM features one half of the Scarface OST ("Rush Rush", "Shake it Up", "Push It to the Limit", "She's On Fire" and "I'm Hot Tonight"), then why didn't it's LCS rendition feature the other half ("Dance Dance Dance", "Success", "The Right Combination" and "Turn Out the Night") of it? Although I like that they didn't repeat the mistake of having that "one whole radio station dedicated to the Scarface OST" thing again.

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, H-G said:

Other than that, if GTA3's Flashback FM features one half of the Scarface OST ("Rush Rush", "Shake it Up", "Push It to the Limit", "She's On Fire" and "I'm Hot Tonight"), then why didn't it's LCS rendition feature the other half ("Dance Dance Dance", "Success", "The Right Combination" and "Turn Out the Night") of it?

I think having LCS' Flashback FM focus on late 70s italo disco was more fitting since LCS took place in the late 90s. Both renditions of Flashback still featured songs from the same producer, Giorgio Moroder.

[BananaSpud666]

9 hours ago, H-G said:

Having 80's music in a game set in 2001 feels really off TBH

Not really

On 10/21/2021 at 8:16 AM, MiamiViceCity1986 said:

Flashback FM is my favourite radio station in GTA III, but I admit when I listen to it I wish those songs were in Vice City as they’d fit the atmosphere and tone so much better.

I would've expected Dance Dance Dance to play in VCS just for the Lance Vance Dance

[lefantome]

Give the GTA Trilogy Definitive Edition work to the same company that has butchered GTA San Andreas HD

[BananaSpud666]

10 hours ago, lefantome said:

Give the GTA Trilogy Definitive Edition work to the same company that has butchered GTA San Andreas HD

That's what im expecting to be honest, but we don't know about it yet

[AmigaMix]

On 10/22/2021 at 1:30 PM, MiamiViceCity1986 said:

GTA III has almost an exclusively original soundtrack that was curated for the game so having songs plucked from a soundtrack of a movie it doesn’t directly reference is a bit weird.

 

I like to think they were trying to draw parallels between the two universes.

Flashback FM's songs are implied to be, in universe, a bunch of randomly selected popular tracks from the 80s, similar to their use in Scarface.

So maybe, by having those songs on the radio, they were making a statement about the state of III's version of american culture?

 

Does that sound coherent... am I schizoing out?

Edited October 23, 2021 by AmigaMix

[Jimmy Muffins]

Deadly water in Vice City and literally everything they stripped back in GTA IV which was in San Andreas. It's still a good game but it feels way more shallow than SA and after you've finished the story there's pretty much nothing to do.

[Yinepi]

On 11/27/2021 at 11:50 AM, Jimmy Muffins said:

Deadly water in Vice City and literally everything they stripped back in GTA IV which was in San Andreas. It's still a good game but it feels way more shallow than SA and after you've finished the story there's pretty much nothing to do.

Rockstar was working with a relatively new engine at the time and wasn't quite sure how implement some of the SA features onto the new engine. It wasn't until they did further tweaks to the engine (GTAV) that they were able to implement a few of those features back. Planes and car tuning being two examples of those features.

To call GTA4 shallow because it lacked SA features is rather absurd when you look at it from a game designer perspective.

[Americana]

Yeah, especially that these features which were not implemented weren't even interesting. 

 

Grand Theft Auto V brought some of them back and I've never used them.

Edited November 29, 2021 by Americana

[billiejoearmstrong8]

IV has quite a few cool activities to do outside the storyline, many of them crime based as they should be, and some fun minigames. Most of the things missing from SA are dumb and/or annoying things you only do once to get 100%. Do people really replay all those sh*tty side missions as something to do after the story? Or spend time swimming underwater in an empty sea with nothing to do? I would think the main thing most people do after the story in any game is go on rampages and get in shootouts with the police etc and just generally mess around. And doing that in IV is the most fun with the awesome combat/physics/NPC behaviour.

 

There are a couple of things from SA it would've been cool to have (in particular car customisation, infinite taxi missions and maybe some more character customisation and weapons). But IV still has lots of good stuff to do. And if you add EFLC you get a load more weapons, a tank, parachuting (including an easy to use glitch where you can fly infinitely with it like it's a jetpack lol), clubs and dancing, and some really great side missions like drug wars and gang wars and motorbike racing where you can hit opponents with baseball bats. 

 

IV might be lacking in customisation options but as far as side activities go I really don't think SA has anything that great that IV doesn't have. V on the other hand dropped almost all the cool crime activities from IV and brought back a load of useless bland side stuff a la SA instead (yoga, tow truck driving, mind numbingly tedious submarine missions etc) and it's not better for it.

Edited November 29, 2021 by billiejoearmstrong8

[Kalashnikov1947]

Putting songs from East Coast artists (e.g. 50 Cent) in a station called "West Coast Classics" in The Contract update.

Edited January 2, 2023 by Panzermann11

[Krooked_]

Might be nitpicking a bit but I hate how Online added new stations in V which play music that is released after 2013.

 

It's especially jarring in story mode since the game takes place in 2013 yet you can hear songs from 2017 or 2018 for example. It's not such a huge deal breaker but it still ruins the immersion somewhat, at least for me.

[Krymefull]

Rockstar not porting Liberty City Stories and Vice City Stories to the PC, I know both LCS and VCS was originally going to be PSP only titles but due to demand from the fans they later got ported it to the PS2, then why not on the PC then?

 

Forgot it.

Edited September 20, 2023 by DubiousThiny

[Blue carpet]

On 1/2/2023 at 9:50 AM, 2L8 said:

rockstar not porting liberty city stories or vice city stories to the pc, i know both lcs and vcs was originally going to be psp only titles but due to demand from the fans they ported it to the ps2, then why not on the pc?

Rockstar has always treated PC gamers like second class citizens it's very bizarre they still do it to this day.

[NightmanCometh96]

6 hours ago, Blue carpet said:

Rockstar has always treated PC gamers like second class citizens it's very bizarre they still do it to this day.

With how blatantly and needlessly they've been going against the (single player) modding community since 2017, it really seems like PC users are the scum of the earth to Rockstar and Take-Two at this point. And to think GTA as a franchise started on PC...

[E Revere]

3 hours ago, NightmanCometh96 said:

With how blatantly and needlessly they've been going against the (single player) modding community since 2017, it really seems like PC users are the scum of the earth to Rockstar and Take-Two at this point. And to think GTA as a franchise started on PC...

Yes. Ironically, PC players have made the largest contribution to the franchise, in fact, they've made almost all of the contributions. The demise will be on them if they go against that though. Let them sink if they want to pierce their own ship.

[gtafaninwest]

Cockstar delisting the original versions of the Trilogy on Steam and PS stores.

[Corndawg93]

I can't understand why OG character's from the GTA 4 Chain Story like D'arcy O'Callahan and Frank Yeager aren't canon to the overall HD universe yet

[Thelema93]

I don't get why Rockstar removed the sharmoota heist from the GTA 5 single player.. There reasoning is that they were having trouble incorporating the horse mechanics into a GTA game but they could of easily just cut the horse riding and kept the rest of the heist intact. Seriously Trevor and Michael acting like a gay couple has to be the greatest thing ever it would of really beefed up the whole Madrazo plot as well. 

[Adminsaredicks]

IP banning, if somebody use public IP it affects whole area. I had this problem, Im innocent and still affected. They show zero effort on support, trained monkeys will be more helpful.

 

How to resolve it? Use private IP and pay for it. Im seriously tired to hell dealing with launchers, drm whatever they put on head of actual buyers.

 

Theoretically they can completely cut out small internet provider from rockstar services, if there will be more of this. Good job Rockstar, I cannot believe GTA Online is still thing with too much holes in security, everybody can be affected.

[Ivan1997GTA]

14 hours ago, Homicidal Hipster said:

I don't get why Rockstar removed the sharmoota heist from the GTA 5 single player.. There reasoning is that they were having trouble incorporating the horse mechanics into a GTA game but they could of easily just cut the horse riding and kept the rest of the heist intact. Seriously Trevor and Michael acting like a gay couple has to be the greatest thing ever it would of really beefed up the whole Madrazo plot as well. 

Well, I think they could easily repurpose the Shamroota Heist for the next GTA game (not Online, though).

[Pistol Bobcat]

Rockstar caving in to the Haitian/cuban controversy back in 2003 and editing future copies of the games.

 

Back then they were the kings of controversy and black comedy, the same company that laughed at Jack Thompson and even let us kill a spoof of him in GTA IV. I'm honestly surprised they cared about a few people salty about several lines of gang related dialogue