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RDR2Fan101

Red Dead 2 Rockstar’s most ambitious game since Gta San Andreas

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RDR2Fan101

Now I understand Red Dead 2 isn’t a perfect game, but it sure was game of the year for 2018. Instantly after I finished the story I felt like replaying it right away, and I don’t usually get that feeling a lot.

 

I just feel like this is rockstars best product since Gta San Andreas came out. This game changes gaming standards like Gta San Andreas did a decade ago during the PS2 era. It even makes games like Fallout 76 look like a complete dumpster fire. 

 

Especially since red dead 2 incorporates things from all of Rockstar’s titles as well. I can feel the Wild West from the original Red Dead Redemption, I can feel the shooting mechanics from Max Payne 3, I can feel the grittiness from Gta 4, I can feel like I’m interacting to people from Bully all in this one huge game. Rockstar simply took what was right with Red dead redemption and improved on it in the successor. It’s not like they stripped out a ton of fun features like from Gta San Andreas to Gta 4, but the team still managed to tell a serious story without making the game dull.

 

In fact Arthur is the most complex protagonist Rockstat has created. Without getting into spoilers Arthur changes his view throughout the story and helps those in need. The antagonist as well are well developed, and I just like how everything changes through the story. You also learn that some characters meet their fates, and it made me pretty sad when that happened. This is probably the first rockstar game where we’ll developed characters die off.

 

All in all I’m just asking if you think this is rockstar’s most ambitious game since Gta San Andreas, because I think it is. For me it has loads of content and replay value as well. 

 

What I hope is rockstar make single player DLC or keep this narrative approach for future titles.

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Ma-mothers-Ma-Sister

Even has some L.A Noire elements with the clue finding parts, and midnight club style customisation with horses instead of cars? 😜 the Max Payne style kill cams was my favourite addition though the game is definitely a big step above gta 5 content wise 

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PapasHota

The shooting feels like Max Payne 3? MP3 had great shooting mechanics at the time, RDR2 plays like absolute garbage in comparison to most other third person shooters, hell RDR2 shooting is a downgrade compared to gta 5 and the original RDR and it sure wasnt game of the year for 2018

https://gotypicks.blogspot.com/ 

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SonOfLiberty

It's the game GTA V should've been honestly. Atleast in this game basic mechanics don't feel like they've been gimped/watered down. It really feels more like a culmination and celebration of everything R* had previously achieved where GTA V kinda just took a sh*t on everything that came before it.

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RDR2Fan101
Just now, PapasHota said:

The shooting feels like Max Payne 3? MP3 had great shooting mechanics at the time, RDR2 plays like absolute garbage in comparison to most other third person shooters, hell RDR2 shooting is a downgrade compared to gta 5 and the original RDR and it sure wasnt game of the year for 2018

https://gotypicks.blogspot.com/ 

I know it was God of War, but it still got some nominations. Plus who cares it’s one of the best rated games on metacritic anyways.

 

Nah in Gta 5 and RDR your crosshairs just snaps on to the target. Rockstar should of readjusted some controls for red dead 2. The sprint button should be A/X, but instead the left joystick. I’m not sure why Rockstar chose the control design choices they do, but they need to re-evaluate their decisions on that.

 

Aim assist doesn’t mean to snap on to targets, but help the player shoot at the target (while facing the target). But Rockstar puts too much aim assist in their games. Again it really is some of the design choices that make you wonder. Like the weird input lag for the game.

 

The truth is the controls for Rockstar gamess aren’t the best for console. Someone from Naughty Dog or something needs to help them with the controls, cause the team dealing with controls for Rockstar’s games aren’t doing too well.

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CryptReaperDorian

Every R* game is ambitious, but yes, this one is perhaps above the average for the company in terms of such.

 

I don't think anybody else notices, but I have a feeling that R* even looked as far back as to Body Harvest for inspiration when creating Red Dead Redemption 2. Much of the eerie atmosphere, supernatural elements, and even looting featured in Red Dead Redemption 2 seemingly originated from Body Harvest. (That's an often-overlooked IP that could, and really should, be revived.)

 

All being said, I'm still on Chapter 3 trying to complete as many things as I possibly can. I know how the story ends, and honestly, having another story of tragedy kind of demotivates me from progressing further (at least not with my current save files). I really miss games from R* where I don't feel a need to have a save file earlier within the story. Just about every story R* has written, or published, since GTA IV has been a "tragedy" of varying degrees. That even includes GTA V when one considers that you still take a bit of a loss for progressing (mainly properties like Franklin's first house, Floyd's apartment, and temporary Michael's house). GTA SA is really one of the last major titles from R* where you don't get penalized, and are rather rewarded, for just playing the game from beginning to end. It's very much a "feel good" game, which is a stark contrast to the majority of titles R* has released in their "HD era." So, the two aren't too comparable, but yes, the amount of ambition certainly is one exception.

 

I really love Red Dead Redemption 2, but my wish is to get another "feel good" game from R* next. Which is what many of us expected from GTA V, but it half-assed the concept, if I'm being blunt.

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RJX74

I thiiiiiiink this game might have been on par with San Andreas. I'm assuming the probable reason I didn't like it as much as San Andreas is cause I'm older now, and video games will never have that wow-factor San Andreas had at its time.

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O.Z
2 hours ago, PapasHota said:

The shooting feels like Max Payne 3? MP3 had great shooting mechanics at the time, RDR2 plays like absolute garbage in comparison to most other third person shooters, hell RDR2 shooting is a downgrade compared to gta 5 and the original RDR and it sure wasnt game of the year for 2018

https://gotypicks.blogspot.com/ 

lol 

 

PS: the most stupid sentence of the year goes to http://you.com

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Avzri

Imo I don't think rdr2 is getting enough credit for what is does incredible well from the general public...😕

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GoodSense129
6 hours ago, PapasHota said:

The shooting feels like Max Payne 3? MP3 had great shooting mechanics at the time, RDR2 plays like absolute garbage in comparison to most other third person shooters, hell RDR2 shooting is a downgrade compared to gta 5 and the original RDR and it sure wasnt game of the year for 2018

https://gotypicks.blogspot.com/ 

You’re mad or nah??? 

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RyuNova
5 hours ago, RJX74 said:

I thiiiiiiink this game might have been on par with San Andreas. I'm assuming the probable reason I didn't like it as much as San Andreas is cause I'm older now, and video games will never have that wow-factor San Andreas had at its time.

 

You speak to my soul.

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RDR2Fan101
1 hour ago, Avzri said:

Imo I don't think rdr2 is getting enough credit for what is does incredible well from the general public...😕

Yeah this isn’t even the first game you can rob houses since Gta San Andreas came out. It’s kind of sad that feature isn’t even in Gta 5 or Gta 4. 

 

It took Rockstar a whole 14 years to add in a basic feature.

*should 

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Tonesta

Honestly, in terms of original content (and by that, I mean missions/activities/events and interactions that have been specifically written rather than randomly and repetitively generated), Red Dead Redemption 2 is the most ambitious game ever made by anyone, anywhere on any medium, period. And I don't think it's particularly close.

 

2,000 pages of script; 300,000 animations; 500,000 lines of dialogue; 1,200 actors for motion-capture. These are not numbers that any other game has come near to before - and it will probably be a while until one does so again.

 

GTA : SA had a ton of gameplay variety, and a ton of map and mission variety - but in terms of depth, it's nowhere near RDR2 (and to be fair - it could never have been, given the platform limitations)

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silly_nate

Red Dead 2 came out almost 10 years ago

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lol232

Nope, GTA IV.

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jje1000

RDRII is very ambitious in certain ways like pushing beautiful cinematic gameplay, refined storytelling and character development, and immersive world-building- but very conservative in others, like in its procedural systems, gameplay and scripted mission design. 

 

As a result I see it not as a revolution in gameplay, but a further elaboration/ expansion of the Rockstar formula. Ultimately, RDRII is like a film set that you play in- if you don't try to wander off script or off the set, you'll always be immersed.

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Lonely-Martin

With this, I very much got those San Andreas vibes. I love that we can develop our Arthur and chose to do those little things or not. Make a replay just that much better for me.

 

Reminds me of what I loved about the gyms and other side activities we had in San An. I can get lost for hours doing what another might see as nothing at all, lol. And all complimented with a great story too. Love this game, despite my reservations for online of course. :)

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0223998743

No. GTA III and GTA SA is their most ambitious games, RDR II was ambitious too but not at the same degree.

 

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As a result I see it not as a revolution in gameplay, but a further elaboration/ expansion of the Rockstar formula.

 

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TheSantader25

It's a damn good game. If it kept the same quality from the first 4 chapters and with a bunch of gameplay tweaks it could well be up there but right now for me it's in the "great game 9/10" territory alongside RDR, GTA VC, GTA IV, GTA V. 

 

I feel like GTA III and GTA SA were more complete and ambitious for their time and are the two 10/10s from R*. 

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O.Z
16 hours ago, lol232 said:

Nope, GTA IV.

Rockstar definitely took the GTA series to the next level with the release of the best GTA game to date. GTA IV was the first true mature title in the series, with the grittiness and next level physics that are still unmatched to this day. GTA V was a flop compared to the IV. 

 

However, I still don’t understand why did Rockstar choose to remove car customisations, that’s the biggest downside to me when it comes to the GTA IV. 

 

I do think RDR2 is the most ambitious game that Rockstar has ever done...

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DEADWOODZ

It just goes to show how far R* have come, with GTA 3 going 3D back in the day giving us this (what we thought) massive open world...they truly set the bar with Red Dead Redemption II!                                                             

That being said, I still think VC VCS & SA was their most ambitious games...but that’s probably just nostalgia for me. They definitely have the western genre of games locked down!

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RDR2Fan101
9 hours ago, TheSantader25 said:

It's a damn good game. If it kept the same quality from the first 4 chapters and with a bunch of gameplay tweaks it could well be up there but right now for me it's in the "great game 9/10" territory alongside RDR, GTA VC, GTA IV, GTA V. 

 

I feel like GTA III and GTA SA were more complete and ambitious for their time and are the two 10/10s from R*. 

Eh Gta San Andreas’s story while fun was a bit all over the place, so I don’t think it’s the story itself.

 

Also Red Dead 2 is better than Gta 5. Same with the original Red Dead Redemption. Gta 5 is 8/10 or 7/10 at best since it’s overrated by the mainstream media.

 

Plus Red Dead 2 was more of a risk than Gta to release. When was the last time you heard of a Triple-A Western game besides Red Dead ? Gta takes place in a city so it would be more accessible to a wider audience.

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TheSantader25
28 minutes ago, RDR2Fan101 said:

Eh Gta San Andreas’s story while fun was a bit all over the place, so I don’t think it’s the story itself.

 

Also Red Dead 2 is better than Gta 5. Same with the original Red Dead Redemption. Gta 5 is 8/10 or 7/10 at best since it’s overrated by the mainstream media.

 

Plus Red Dead 2 was more of a risk than Gta to release. When was the last time you heard of a Triple-A Western game besides Red Dead ? Gta takes place in a city so it would be more accessible to a wider audience.

Subjective opinions pal. Subjective opinions... 

 

I judge games after hours of analysis on their flaws and strong points after multiple playthroughs and then I rate them so I have a fixed opinion on what I say. But still everyone can have their opinion. 

 

Edited by TheSantader25

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Motorik

You said exactly what I think about RDR 2. Maybe it's not the best Rockstar title (or maybe it is. I'm not sure), but it's, without a doubt, the most complete game they ever made. The one where the best characteristics of past games from the company merge into a beautiful product. This is their quintaessencial game and one of my favorites ever. If it turned out this is the last game ever made by Rockstar, it's an amazing way to go.

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DEADWOODZ
1 minute ago, Motorik said:

You said exactly what I think about RDR 2. Maybe it's not the best Rockstar title (or maybe it is. I'm not sure), but it's, without a doubt, the most complete game they ever made. The one where the best characteristics of past games from the company merge into a beautiful product. This is their quintaessencial game and one of my favorites ever. If it turned out this is the last game ever made by Rockstar, it's an amazing way to go.

Just goes to show what can happen when all studios come together to create such a game!

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0223998743
11 hours ago, RDR2Fan101 said:

Eh Gta San Andreas’s story while fun was a bit all over the place, so I don’t think it’s the story itself.

it's not really about the story but more about the big map, three major cities and small towns, forest, desert etc tons of activities, buying safe houses, assets, many clothes, tuning, gyms, getting fat skinny etc

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JC Hammer

RDR2 has the best ever open world sandbox to explore. However,  Its storyline is terrible, (chapter 5), Online is a shell of a game and after GTAV multiplayer story, limits us to playing 1 character again. How much more fun and diverse the main missions would have been if we'd have been playing as Arthur, John, and Sadie?

 

RDR2 and RDRO are a huge step backward for R* 

 

 

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SonOfLiberty
54 minutes ago, JC Hammer said:

 How much more fun and diverse the main missions would have been if we'd have been playing as Arthur, John, and Sadie?

Can't agree with that. One of my biggest concerns pre-release was R* trying to shoe horn in GTA V's switching mechanic and given Arthur's overwhelming praise for his characterisation I'd say most people are satisfied with R*'s decision to go back to one protagonist.

 

Besides personally I didn't like the forced switching in GTA V during missions as it sucked me too much out of the action and it broke the flow. I don't like being in the midst of a shootout and being prompted to switch to another character.

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O.Z
1 hour ago, American Venom said:

Can't agree with that. One of my biggest concerns pre-release was R* trying to shoe horn in GTA V's switching mechanic and given Arthur's overwhelming praise for his characterisation I'd say most people are satisfied with R*'s decision to go back to one protagonist.

 

Besides personally I didn't like the forced switching in GTA V during missions as it sucked me too much out of the action and it broke the flow. I don't like being in the midst of a shootout and being prompted to switch to another character.

 

This, it just restricts things, I wanna do my own thing... I'm glad Rockstar didn't introduce multiple protags option. I hope GTA VI will also have one playable character. Less is more!

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Sandereas

Just completed the story yesterday. Took it nice and slow. What an amazing ride this was. For me it is the best game I have played so far. Never have I played a game where I got lost so much. I got really connected with Arthur. I just really felt for him. The single player is really amazing. A real masterpiece. R* doesn't deserve all the hate they got. 

Though RDO is a bit dissapointing right now. Just feels kinda broken. 

Despite that I have much love for this game.

 

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