Why this skin makes you enemy-proof?

[Motorik 40]

I know I talked about this in the "Cool things you didn't know about GTA III" thread, but I think it deserves it's own topic. In case you didn't read it, I explain you: if you play with the old guy (the one that says "My mother is my sister") with the "play as pedestrian" cheat, the gangs won't hate you. You can visit their territories and they won't attack you. I'd like to know why. Maybe it's just a bug, but I don't know. This video shows it: 

 

[Inadequate 3,271]

I saw that video yesterday. I should ask, does it happen on the PC version as well or even in Xbox version? It looks like a PS2 version bug in my opinion. Maybe the cheat was supposed to work that way and the developments at Rockstar forgot to make it work for all skins and due that only works with the "old man" skin?

[Motorik 40]

5 minutes ago, Inadequate said:

I saw that video yesterday. I should ask, does it happen on the PC version as well or even in Xbox version? It looks like a PS2 version bug in my opinion. Maybe the cheat was supposed to work that way and the developments at Rockstar forgot to make it work for all skins and due that only works with the "old man" skin?

I don't know about Xbox, but it works on PC. I checked it.

[gts. 1,723]

Nice to see Matt's video posted here in the forums again!

 

Since I haven't tested out that feature (or bug?) yet, it only happens with the 'old man' skin? All other skins still making gangs hostile towards player?

[Motorik 40]

I think it only works with that skin. I tried with another and the gangs attacked me.

[perennial 243]

IIRC a similar skin was used for Marty Chonks in his phone missions. I guess that's why it was made gang immune?

[Motorik 40]

No. It's similar, but it's not the same. This is Marty Chonks skin:

 

 

And this is the old guy skin:

[perennial 243]

Maybe they used the pedestrian model as a placeholder for Marty during development? That's the only theory I have.

Edit: Forget about my ramblings, the connection with Marty is probably just a coincidence.

Edited January 26 by perennial

[DEALUX 2,156]

3 hours ago, perennial said:

IIRC a similar skin was used for Marty Chonks in his phone missions. I guess that's why it was made gang immune?

Thing is this cheat ignores the stats for the ped you're playing as as if you were still playing as Claude. Except for that particular skin.

 

Not sure exactly how ped behavior works. There are a bunch of files that define them into groups that are afraid of guns, explosions, dead peds, etc or rival gangs. Some of the flags are undefined hex values so those might actually explain gang hostility towards some NPCs. But the cheat ignores these flags for the most part except for that ped, which is weird.

[Yinepi 877]

Maybe he's immune because his mother is his sister, making him an unborn?

Edited January 26 by Yinepi

[Motorik 40]

I have been trying to see if the inmunity works with another skins, and it seems that only works with the old guy. I even tried to play as gang members, and they still attack me. Only the old guy stops them.

Edit: i just discovered that you can lost that inmunity, but I don't know how I did it. I think it has something to do with attacking cops, but I'm not sure.

Edited January 27 by Motorik

[RM76 1,871]

As far as the immunity goes, gang cars will still pursue you if you jack another gang car nearby, though.
(figures, it's in the vid in the OP)
"My mother's my sister" trenchcoat dude's model is MALE02. Chonk's model is B_MAN2, who along with B_WOM2 and B_WOM3 are unused. They're set to spawn in SWANKSVILLE but that group isn't used.

Edited January 28 by RM76

[Motorik 40]

16 hours ago, RM76 said:

As far as the immunity goes, gang cars will still pursue you if you jack another gang car nearby, though.
(figures, it's in the vid in the OP)

I meant that this is not the only way to reactivate gangs hate. There's another way, but I don't know how I did it.

By the way, maybe this is stupid request, but can someone extract the skin of the old guy to select it from the skin folder? I want to know what happens if you use the skin of the old guy as another skin and not as another character. i don't know if you understand me.

[Yinepi 877]

Nothing will change. Replacing the textures/mesh of one ped with another will still make the ped that was replaced function the same internally. If this hidden feature/bug exists with this skin only, the cause will be internal not visual. My guess some line of code/text was written incorrectly which makes this character immune. Many of these hidden features/bugs of GTA are caused by wrong lines of data. Something as simple as putting the wrong letter somewhere could be the cause of this.

Edited January 28 by Yinepi

[Evil empire 1,559]

Perhaps does male01 have a special status like in San Andreas.

[RM76 1,871]

18 hours ago, Evil empire said:

Perhaps does male01 have a special status like in San Andreas.

MALE01 in GTAIII is this guy:

This is the guy that makes everyone chickensh*t (MALE02)

[Evil empire 1,559]

My bad. You can easily toggle the gangs' agressivity on PC anyway.

[RM76 1,871]

6 hours ago, Evil empire said:

My bad. You can easily toggle the gangs' agressivity on PC anyway.

True, but that's beside the point.

Edited January 30 by RM76

[Jack Lupino 463]

Maybe he is darkels brother and he is such a evli psycopath even gang members fear him

[NoamMang 2]

On 1/30/2019 at 12:26 PM, Evil empire said:

My bad. You can easily toggle the gangs' agressivity on PC anyway.

Well, actually you can't.  After completing certain missions in GTA3, some gangs will hate you and attack you on sight permanently unless you start a new game or load a save before the mission.  That counts for all versions of the game.

[Evil empire 1,559]

2 hours ago, NoamMang said:

Well, actually you can't.  After completing certain missions in GTA3, some gangs will hate you and attack you on sight permanently unless you start a new game or load a save before the mission.  That counts for all versions of the game.

I perfectly know what I'm talking about. Did you ever hear about mods?

Edited February 3 by Evil empire

[NoamMang 2]

4 minutes ago, Evil empire said:

I perfectly know what I'm talking about. Did you ever hear about mods?

Mods are not part of the game I bought.  Besides, I don't think this section of the forums are meant to be talked about mods - seeing as how there's a GTA section and mods section - separated...

My claim about the gang's hostility towards the player is still correct and proven since the game was released in 2001 - of course, without acknowledging any outside sources - which are not, never have been, and never will be official strategies.

[Evil empire 1,559]

 

4 hours ago, NoamMang said:

Mods are not part of the game I bought.  Besides, I don't think this section of the forums are meant to be talked about mods - seeing as how there's a GTA section and mods section - separated...

My claim about the gang's hostility towards the player is still correct and proven since the game was released in 2001 - of course, without acknowledging any outside sources - which are not, never have been, and never will be official strategies.

Alright Captain Obvious.

[NoamMang 2]

2 minutes ago, Evil empire said:

 

Alright Captain Obvious.

I see we're in an agreement - just take this as a friendly advice: don't try to give suggestions or advice about strategies in games you're not capable of playing without modifications.  

Oh, and if you try to negate this statement, just scroll up and notice how you've already proven your lack of knowledge by mistaking the internal name of the pedestrian - and then immediately relied on mods once you were proven wrong.

[Evil empire 1,559]

39 minutes ago, NoamMang said:

I see we're in an agreement - just take this as a friendly advice: don't try to give suggestions or advice about strategies in games you're not capable of playing without modifications.  

Oh, and if you try to negate this statement, just scroll up and notice how you've already proven your lack of knowledge by mistaking the internal name of the pedestrian - and then immediately relied on mods once you were proven wrong.

What makes you think I'm not able to play without mods? Do you consider yourself a mind-reader?

 

I didn't verify about the ped's ID, does it mean I don't know anything about GTA 3? I'm capable to pick-up coordinates in the main.scm and teleport there, edit peds with new textures and I've already created mods, I'm just absent-minded.

 

And what makes you think I mentioned mods as a diversion not to admit a mistake?

I did it to be HELPFUL when you prefer to show the others how conceited and despising you are.

[NoamMang 2]

5 minutes ago, Evil empire said:

What makes you think I'm not able to play without mods?

 

Probably your full statement where you directly boast about being able to change some internal files - which yet again proves my point that you're physically and mentally unable to play without modifications.

You can create mods?  Amazing job!  Then take the discussion to the mods section of the forums - and not boast about in inside the GTA series section - a section where users would expect actual strategic suggestions and advices on how to play the game.

Besides, if you are such a dragon with editing the main.scm - why couldn't you answer the OP's question - but instead made this questionable claim without any evidence:

 

On 1/29/2019 at 1:23 AM, Evil empire said:

Perhaps does male01 have a special status like in San Andreas.

I would like to see proof of that in GTA3 about the MALE02 skin - I would expect a modder (like yourself) to answer this in full detail (and not just a bland statement) since they spend their free time inside the internal files - thus should be able to either know or find the answer.

Also I've been looking through your post history - and you know what I concluded?  ALL of your advices, suggestions, "helpfulness" come down to one sentence: use mods to fix your problems! - even if there are thousand of other possibilities where the problem can be solved without the use of modifications - which would be helpful for console users too.

Examples include:

1)  When the user LosCy explained how he can't find one last spray tag in his San Andreas save file, you said this:
 

15 minutes ago, Evil empire said:

If you have troubles with other collectibles GTA savegame editor is your friend.

After SorveteQuente told them where the final tag is located.

2)  When the user wfank explained how they can't find rival gang members after acquiring 100% of all gang territories, you said this:
 

On 1/28/2019 at 11:58 PM, Evil empire said:

If you play on PC GTA savegame editor is your friend.

After lil weasel answered his question - and then later user OrionSR explained the mechanics about gang territories in far more detail.

3)  When the user Asdr just asked  for a mere and simple cheat code on how to never gain wanted levels in Vice City during gameplay, you said this:
 

On 1/12/2019 at 7:04 PM, Evil empire said:

If you're on PC you can also download a CLEO script never to be wanted any longer.

Just after Seth told him the cheat code and explained how it's just a cheat code to decrease your wanted level.

4)  When the user Ray Carter asked how to obtain the hidden package on the lift bridge in GTA3 early during gameplay, you said this:
 

On 10/18/2018 at 4:08 PM, Evil empire said:

If you're on PC you can also use Silent's Aircraft mod and do the job with a helicopter.

After GTAKid667 and stef_92 have shown videos on how to complete such quest and further explained it.

And many, many other examples ...

You're not fooling anymore - you are not being helpful just by suggesting mods - which should be nothing but the final and last resort.  In fact, I think you're only doing that to increase your post counter and ego. :)

"Stroking your ego - one post at a time"

[Evil empire 1,559]

NoamMang -> I don't know the name of the circus you work in but I don't doubt you're its best buffon!

[NoamMang 2]

5 minutes ago, Evil empire said:

NoamMang -> I don't know the name of the circus you work in but I don't doubt you're its best buffon!

You must've taken more effort to write this line than by trying to be "helpful" (suggesting mods). ;) 

There is simply no need to further debate with you.  Reasons being obvious.  I rest my case.

[Evil empire 1,559]

2 hours ago, NoamMang said:

Probably your full statement where you directly boast about being able to change some internal files - which yet again proves my point that you're physically and mentally unable to play without modifications.

Do you realize how ridiculous you are?

 

2 hours ago, NoamMang said:

You can create mods?  Amazing job!  Then take the discussion to the mods section of the forums - and not boast about in inside the GTA series section - a section where users would expect actual strategic suggestions and advices on how to play the game.

If some persons want the gangs to stop attacking them I notice them I can help so they know who to ask for help. I show I'm helpful, nothing more nothing less.

 

2 hours ago, NoamMang said:

Besides, if you are such a dragon with editing the main.scm - why couldn't you answer the OP's question - but instead made this questionable claim without any evidence:

 

I would like to see proof of that in GTA3 about the MALE02 skin - I would expect a modder (like yourself) to answer this in full detail (and not just a bland statement) since they spend their free time inside the internal files - thus should be able to either know or find the answer.

I saw a topic about a certain ped having a special status in GTA SA and I emitted a hypothesis. And as incredible as it might look to you I also have a social life.^^

 

2 hours ago, NoamMang said:

Also I've been looking through your post history - and you know what I concluded?  ALL of your advices, suggestions, "helpfulness" come down to one sentence: use mods to fix your problems! - even if there are thousand of other possibilities where the problem can be solved without the use of modifications - which would be helpful for console users too.

Examples include:

1)  When the user LosCy explained how he can't find one last spray tag in his San Andreas save file, you said this:
 

 

After SorveteQuente told them where the final tag is located.

2)  When the user wfank explained how they can't find rival gang members after acquiring 100% of all gang territories, you said this:
 

After lil weasel answered his question - and then later user OrionSR explained the mechanics about gang territories in far more detail.

3)  When the user Asdr just asked  for a mere and simple cheat code on how to never gain wanted levels in Vice City during gameplay, you said this:
 

Just after Seth told him the cheat code and explained how it's just a cheat code to decrease your wanted level.

4)  When the user Ray Carter asked how to obtain the hidden package on the lift bridge in GTA3 early during gameplay, you said this:
 

After GTAKid667 and stef_92 have shown videos on how to complete such quest and further explained it.

And many, many other examples ...

You're not fooling anymore - you are not being helpful just by suggesting mods - which should be nothing but the final and last resort.  In fact, I think you're only doing that to increase your post counter and ego.

"Stroking your ego - one post at a time"

1- Since LosCy asked for help to locate the last gang tag I assumed this person doesn't want to roam the city and check the locations so I give the other mean I know to find a tag. Since the player unlocks other cities after Los Santos with other collectibles I give him/her a mean to fix this problem on his/her own because having not to depend on someone else is always better. I give the person a tool to fix issues that might arrive and I show common sense. Is it too hard to understand for you?

 

2- wfank was looking for a solution to fight the rival gangs again so I gave this person a tool that gives a great amount of possibilities for it, something largely more convenient than loading an older savegame.

 

3- Asdr might want at a moment to get definitely rid of the cops so I give this person a tool for it. Having more options is always better.

 

4- Ray Carter is maybe not at ease with planes so I gave this person another mean to reach this goal, I'm not telepath so I give people solutions I know should the person find the other ones less convienient.

 

 

When I see people asking for help I give them solutions I know so they use the one they like the most. I give them even more freedom of choice because I'm not a mind-reader. Is it too complicated to understand for you?

Edited February 3 by Evil empire

[NoamMang 2]

"Freedom of choice" - yet you only mention one possible solution that only works on PC. 

Freedom of choice ...  Good one!  Maybe if you stopped using your favorite psychological defense system - called rationalization - we'd have a pretty stable debate.

As I mentioned, it's obvious that you do it to stroke your post counter - considering how the OP already got the answer before you posted in each topic I quoted you.  (Not just answers, but also very decent help and tutorial videos - example: Dodo flight tutorial - you know, to learn something new, to learn new strategies.)