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Stupidis

Reporting griefers - is it worth it?

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hotrats773
5 hours ago, Smokewood said:

Killing you while you are fishing is not griefing, it's playing the game as designed.

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Van_Hellsing

No, it is not worth it. Griefing is part of the game design. Grief griefers instead. 

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jstev4610

I’ve usually been able to counter griefing pretty easily but yesterday on the San denis hunting route that everyone does there was a level 160ish decimating everyone.  Hat got shot off, so now I’m getting more damage.  No cover.  Spawn on the shoreline in the mud so horse won’t come.  Just repeatedly spawn, ran up on and shot.  I don’t think reporting is necessary though, easy to change sessions, parley, start doing things in a posse.  If they actually implement a decent bounty system I think it will make a huge change to the way people conduct themselves.

Also yesterday, I had a guy just up and shoot me while skinning something.  I didn’t die so when the animation finished I put him down then repeatedly did so for maybe 10 minutes, at least 8 kills since he didn’t parley.  Dude gets on the mic crying about being bullied, people start to rush me.  Was I griefing?

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Callahan44

Better send them feedback so it has consequences for griefers to kill you. 

Imo its like reporting people killing you in bf or cod. It sucks the game is like that but you should mainly blame r* for their sh*tty gamedesign,not the players. Not much you can do in freeroam,nothing happens if you kill other players,you even get xp. What did you expect.

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FreeMaxB585
12 hours ago, Smokewood said:

completely disagree. I would like pve servers too, but as it is now, free for all PvP is the norm. Killing you while you are fishing is not griefing, it's playing the game as designed.

Maybe you need to get a life???

 

I need to get a life? lmao k bud. the 2 times I get to play a week on friday and saturday cause I work all week......I dont feel it should be wasted killing someone fishing or shopping, not when you get no xp of doing it. I bet you like doing it and feel you are some sort of badass, in reality you are a douchebag loser doing something where there is nothing to gain

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Assblaster
1 hour ago, FreeMaxB585 said:

 

I need to get a life? lmao k bud. the 2 times I get to play a week on friday and saturday cause I work all week......I dont feel it should be wasted killing someone fishing or shopping, not when you get no xp of doing it. I bet you like doing it and feel you are some sort of badass, in reality you are a douchebag loser doing something where there is nothing to gain

I have to agree. Even in a R* game, a douche is just a douche. Don't kill people when they're fishing dude. Not cool. Even outlaws in the 19th century had lines they didn't cross. Let a guy defend himself at least, don't be a prick.

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Revoemag

Y'all need to learn what griefing means...

 

Just because some random player shoots you without reason doesn't make it griefing...

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Van_Hellsing
58 minutes ago, Revoemag said:

Y'all need to learn what griefing means...

 

Just because some random player shoots you without reason doesn't make it griefing...

What makes griefing griefing is when you are in a position of disadvantage that you are ambushed.

 

Griefers camp at the butcher shop while you are coming in with a load of pelts. One shot with the varmint rifle and your work is gone. Or you are stuck in the skinning animation or fishing. 

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Stupidis
1 hour ago, Revoemag said:

Y'all need to learn what griefing means...

 

Just because some random player shoots you without reason doesn't make it griefing...

 

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=griefer

 

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Someone, usually in an online game, who intentionally, and usually repeatedly, attempts to degrade anothers experience or torment them. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griefer

 

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A griefer or bad faith player is a player in a multiplayer video game who deliberately irritates and harasses other players within the game (trolling), using aspects of the game in intended or unintended ways.[1] A griefer derives pleasure primarily or exclusively from the act of annoying other users, and as such is a particular nuisance in online gaming communities, since griefers often cannot be deterred by penalties related to in-game goals.[2] This creates a strong division between griefing and cheating, since cheating is done with intent of winning the game and thus is discouraged by in-game penalties.

 

Griefer, c*nt, asshole, you can call it what you want. In the end they're all idiots whos console/pc deserves to explode and make them blind. :)

 

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Mad-Monkey_1st
On 1/20/2019 at 12:20 PM, Smokewood said:

completely disagree. I would like pve servers too, but as it is now, free for all PvP is the norm. Killing you while you are fishing is not griefing, it's playing the game as designed.

Maybe you need to get a life???

Killing some one who is fishing is pure griefing they cannot even see you on radar and cannot run/access weapons A pure cowards wy to kill some one.

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Smokewood
12 hours ago, FreeMaxB585 said:

 

I need to get a life? lmao k bud. the 2 times I get to play a week on friday and saturday cause I work all week......I dont feel it should be wasted killing someone fishing or shopping, not when you get no xp of doing it. I bet you like doing it and feel you are some sort of badass, in reality you are a douchebag loser doing something where there is nothing to gain

I don't kill people when they fish, in fact I don't really like pvp at all, but to say that it's griefing is a joke.

I hear story mode is peaceful. 

6 hours ago, Van_Hellsing said:

What makes griefing griefing is when you are in a position of disadvantage that you are ambushed.

 

Griefers camp at the butcher shop while you are coming in with a load of pelts. One shot with the varmint rifle and your work is gone. Or you are stuck in the skinning animation or fishing. 

not griefing, sorry

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anarquista_duval
55 minutes ago, Smokewood said:

I don't kill people when they fish, in fact I don't really like pvp at all, but to say that it's griefing is a joke.

I hear story mode is peaceful. 

not griefing, sorry 

LOL! What's griefing then? It's R* themselves who admit the problem exists

Non-PvP users need desperately some mechanism to protect them against griefers or just douche bags, call them what you want, otherwise R* will lose a big chunk of the player base.

Want PvP? Go play Fortnite, CoD or Showdowns. Doing PvP with a player that doesn't want / like to fight is like a grown ass man beating up a child.

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Smokewood
23 minutes ago, anarquista_duval said:

LOL! What's griefing then? It's R* themselves who admit the problem exists

Non-PvP users need desperately some mechanism to protect them against griefers or just douche bags, call them what you want, otherwise R* will lose a big chunk of the player base.

Want PvP? Go play Fortnite, CoD or Showdowns. Doing PvP with a player that doesn't want / like to fight is like a grown ass man beating up a child.

Griefing, whatever it is, is a bannable offense.

Do you think someone deserves to be banned for killing someone while fishing is an open world pvp free for all game?

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Lonely-Martin
9 minutes ago, Smokewood said:

Griefing, whatever it is, is a bannable offense.

Not in R* games, lol. It's a means to monitise. 🤣

 

Other games look to reduce nonsense, these guys look to profit from it. Crazy times, lol.

 

Look at GTA, the report for griefing is very unclear really, and no reports were heeded. This will be the same, hence, I don't bother until they attack me with crudeness. That goes to Sony. :)

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Smokewood
3 minutes ago, Lonely-Martin said:

Not in R* games, lol. It's a means to monitise. 🤣

 

Other games look to reduce nonsense, these guys look to profit from it. Crazy times, lol.

 

Look at GTA, the report for griefing is very unclear really, and no reports were heeded. This will be the same, hence, I don't bother until they attack me with crudeness. That goes to Sony. :)

They are REPORTING people for griefing.

Isn't it implied that they expect the griefer to be punished? 

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Lonely-Martin
2 minutes ago, Smokewood said:

They are REPORTING people for griefing.

Isn't it implied that they expect the griefer to be punished? 

Of course, but we know that they don't take action.

 

What I meant there is that 'what is griefing' in GTA. As shown in here and the GTA:O section is that there's clearly different interpretations from us as a whole.

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Smokewood
1 minute ago, Lonely-Martin said:

Of course, but we know that they don't take action.

 

What I meant there is that 'what is griefing' in GTA. As shown in here and the GTA:O section is that there's clearly different interpretations from us as a whole.

Griefing in GTA is if I find an exploit and use it to gain an advantage against another player.

If I'm invisible and on a killing spree, I am griefing.

So these people are reporting others for simply playing the game.

That's my point.

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Lonely-Martin
3 minutes ago, Smokewood said:

Griefing in GTA is if I find an exploit and use it to gain an advantage against another player.

If I'm invisible and on a killing spree, I am griefing.

So these people are reporting others for simply playing the game.

That's my point.

I disagree, as shown by a post above, grief can be caused by legitimate means too. Following from session to session for example.

 

If you are using exploits to grief, it should be reported as cheating/exploiting game mechanics, as well as griefing. (Not to say you do of course).

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Smokewood
1 minute ago, Lonely-Martin said:

I disagree, as shown by a post above, grief can be caused by legitimate means too. Following from session to session for example.

 

If you are using exploits to grief, it should be reported as cheating/exploiting game mechanics, as well as griefing. (Not to say you do of course).

Except no one is doing that. People are reporting others because they get "killed for no reason".

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Lonely-Martin
3 minutes ago, Smokewood said:

Except no one is doing that. People are reporting others because they get "killed for no reason".

Exactly the problem. The game allows us make our own interpretation rather than define griefing seeing as it's an option to select.

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Jason

Yea no one is getting banned for killing a fisher or a hunter, no one. Nor is someone going to get banned for killing someone over and over and over, or hogtying them. It is griefing but it's also part of the games design at the moment and Rockstar can't ban people for that.

 

It goes back to the old PvPvE lobby argument and the fact that it can never work no matter what Rockstar do. They sure do love giving it the old college try though.

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Fugitive21
On 1/18/2019 at 8:11 AM, Stupidis said:

I've started to report all players who attack me for no reason, using the "disruptive behaviour" option. But is it worth it? Or has R* that option there just for show?

Hold up????

 

So If somebody kills you for no reason your reporting them?

 

 

REALLY?

 

WOW that is really harsh to report somebody for playing the game the was it was meant to be played.

 

 

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Lonely-Martin
15 minutes ago, Jason said:

Yea no one is getting banned for killing a fisher or a hunter, no one. Nor is someone going to get banned for killing someone over and over and over, or hogtying them. It is griefing but it's also part of the games design at the moment and Rockstar can't ban people for that.

 

It goes back to the old PvPvE lobby argument and the fact that it can never work no matter what Rockstar do. They sure do love giving it the old college try though.

Yep. Invite/posse lobbies are really the only answer. :)

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Stupidis
15 minutes ago, Fugitive21 said:

Hold up????

 

So If somebody kills you for no reason your reporting them?

 

 

REALLY?

 

WOW that is really harsh to report somebody for playing the game the was it was meant to be played.

 

 

 

The game wasnt meant to kill someone when theyre fishing. Not to ride around killing everyone you see that tries to mind their own business either. 

 

 

Under the "disruptive behavior" in the game menu it is described as follows - "Disruptive behavior includes any action that prevents others from playing the game in a normal manner including griefing".

 

So yes, if I just want to ride around looking at sh*t, hunt the occasional bird, fish some trout and some lowlife then think it hillarious to kill other players, that is a disruptive behavior. If you want to fight other players join any of the freemode events or, gun whatever it called, showdown, etc. But stay away from me.

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Lonely-Martin
15 minutes ago, Stupidis said:

 

The game wasnt meant to kill someone when theyre fishing. Not to ride around killing everyone you see that tries to mind their own business either. 

 

 

Under the "disruptive behavior" in the game menu it is described as follows - "Disruptive behavior includes any action that prevents others from playing the tame in a normal manner including griefing".

 

So yes, if I just want to ride around looking at sh*t, hunt the occasional bird, fish some trout and some lowlife then think it hillarious to kill other players, that is a disruptive behavior. If you want to fight other players join any of the freemode events or, gun whatever it called, showdown, etc. But stay away from me.

PvP in public is no issue either, but for it to be PvP, both parties must be up for it too. Taking jobs that encourage it or between the players to choose to fight etc. is all fair game.

 

PvE content is there, so it's PvE players right to want just that too. But of course, if you ask to be left alone to do just that, many see it as a sign of weakness and that it gives them the right to say 'tough, I want to fight you' If the game offers both, they need to allow both to thrive otherwise it's just the same old arguments all the time.

 

It really isn't PvP either when one party isn't even trying to fight, lol. True PvP players get called allsorts too through just how messed up this PvPvE crap is, lol. Unfaie on those guys as well really. Pushes many to react poorly while R* just encourage it more and blur the lines more and more. (certainly in GTA:O, probably here more as it grows too). 

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Smokewood
24 minutes ago, Stupidis said:

 

The game wasnt meant to kill someone when theyre fishing. Not to ride around killing everyone you see that tries to mind their own business either. 

 

 

Under the "disruptive behavior" in the game menu it is described as follows - "Disruptive behavior includes any action that prevents others from playing the game in a normal manner including griefing".

 

So yes, if I just want to ride around looking at sh*t, hunt the occasional bird, fish some trout and some lowlife then think it hillarious to kill other players, that is a disruptive behavior. If you want to fight other players join any of the freemode events or, gun whatever it called, showdown, etc. But stay away from me.

Define normal

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Stupidis

I already have. I also have provided you with two links describing "griefing", proving your definition is wrong. 

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Mad-Monkey_1st

But when shooting someone fishing you are for that person invisible they cannot see you or your blip as they have no radar and no access to weapons, So creeping up behind a fisherman and shooting is both cowardly and griefing on someone who cannot defend themselves 

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anarquista_duval
1 hour ago, Smokewood said:

Griefing, whatever it is, is a bannable offense.

 

I disagree with your definition. The basic definition is: an online game player who intentionally spoils the game for other players.

 

 

1 hour ago, Smokewood said:

Griefing in GTA is if I find an exploit and use it to gain an advantage against another player. 

If I'm invisible and on a killing spree, I am griefing.

So these people are reporting others for simply playing the game.

That's my point.

 

In GTA there are in fact some (old) anti griefing measures pre-CEO era like if you blow up 20 personal vehicles in a short period of time you're placed in a bad sports lobby.

Also, if you usually leave jobs before finishing them (ruining the experience for other players) you'll win a ticket to bad sports lobby as well.

 

Killing is part of the game, I agree with that BUT, killing the same (inoffensive) player over and over for no reason forcing him changing sessions is griefing. That's what I'm talking about and that behavior should be reported.

 

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FreeMaxB585
3 hours ago, Smokewood said:

Griefing, whatever it is, is a bannable offense.

Do you think someone deserves to be banned for killing someone while fishing is an open world pvp free for all game?

 

no not banned but put them on a server with all the other losers who waste their time doing that

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