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FreeMaxB585

What really confuses me is how did Micah end up with.....

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FreeMaxB585

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So how the hell did Micah end up with the blackwater money? There is NO WAY in hell Dutch would've told Micah where it was located. Only dutch himself knew. And they parted ways, so no clue how micah got it, and how in the hell dutch didnt get it. And we know for sure that they didnt team up and run with eachother. Even at the end Micah says "wow everyone is paying social calls today"  And Dutch even says "same as you i suppose" Its pretty clear Dutch got there pretty recently, not long before john. So how micah ended up with the blackwater money just makes ZERO sense to me. Unless im really missing something

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TwistOfLime21

I don't really get that whole scene in general to be honest. Micah is surprised to see Dutch, so does that mean he chose not to search the outlook tower before bunkering down up there?

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Marcinguy

 

22 minutes ago, TwistOfLime21 said:

I don't really get that whole scene in general to be honest. Micah is surprised to see Dutch, so does that mean he chose not to search the outlook tower before bunkering down up there?

 

I thought he was surprised that Dutch showed himself to Marston. Maybe I can't quite remember since it's been a few weeks now, but I was under the impression that Micah and Dutch were up there together, and MIcah just seemed surprised that Dutch intervened by coming out. Wasn't the money in the building Dutch came out of? I thought the case was that Dutch was just hiding out with Micah and the new gang but he still had control of the money, but then again  I'm not 100% sure about any of it.

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Jimbatron

Is this the Blackwater money - or is it the gangs total savings from Beaver Hollow?

 

I was under the impression it's the latter and the Blackwater take was never recovered. Or perhaps Dutch retrieved it separately himself which would explain how he's able to rebuild to how were we see him in the original RDR.

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Cutter De Blanc

I don't think it's actually said anywhere that it's the Blackwater money. 

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FreeMaxB585
42 minutes ago, Cutter De Blanc said:

I don't think it's actually said anywhere that it's the Blackwater money. 

 

Yea it def is. Micah even tells John "join us, we have all the money from blackwater" and its all very clear it is, there is a crap ton of it. but there is multiple mentions that its the blackwater $

1 hour ago, Jimbatron said:

Is this the Blackwater money - or is it the gangs total savings from Beaver Hollow?

 

I was under the impression it's the latter and the Blackwater take was never recovered. Or perhaps Dutch retrieved it separately himself which would explain how he's able to rebuild to how were we see him in the original RDR.

Its the blackwater money Micah says it and its said a couple times

4 hours ago, Marcinguy said:

 

 

I thought he was surprised that Dutch showed himself to Marston. Maybe I can't quite remember since it's been a few weeks now, but I was under the impression that Micah and Dutch were up there together, and MIcah just seemed surprised that Dutch intervened by coming out. Wasn't the money in the building Dutch came out of? I thought the case was that Dutch was just hiding out with Micah and the new gang but he still had control of the money, but then again  I'm not 100% sure about any of it.

 

Dutch had only gotten their recently. Its why micah even said "everyone is paying social calls today" something along those lines. and yea dutch was def there to kill him or steal the $ its why he told john "same as you I suppose"

 

Also Cleet would have told John and Sadie if Micah was there with Dutch to. But he only said how it was Micahs new gang and has a bunch of low life outlaws with him

5 hours ago, TwistOfLime21 said:

I don't really get that whole scene in general to be honest. Micah is surprised to see Dutch, so does that mean he chose not to search the outlook tower before bunkering down up there?

 

No he knew Dutch was there. He had probably just gotten there a couple hours before. Thats why they discussed :"having big dreams". I think it was more of a happy ha ha gotcha look when Dutch came out thinking Dutch would save him

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Implicitly
6 hours ago, TwistOfLime21 said:

I don't really get that whole scene in general to be honest. Micah is surprised to see Dutch, so does that mean he chose not to search the outlook tower before bunkering down up there?

Honestly the whole ending bit here never made any sense to me too. It would've made sense if it was Arthur approaching Micah without Dutch coming by, this always irked me. 

2 hours ago, Cutter De Blanc said:

I don't think it's actually said anywhere that it's the Blackwater money. 

I think it is. Arthur had the key for it and when John enters the room the chest is already unlocked. So it was definitely the Blackwater money or he would've unlocked it himself using the key Abigail gave Arthur. $20,000 I don't think is enough for his ranch either considering that was how much he already owed for the bank, once he acquires the money that's when his entire ranch gets upgraded. 

 

I assume Dutch maybe brought the money out to lure Micah? I guess to backstab him but then John, Sadie and Charles came around. I think the stolen amount was $150,000 too, so that means John would get $50,000, Charles gets $50,000 and then Sadie gets $50,000 equal split. 

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4 hours ago, FreeMaxB585 said:

No he knew Dutch was there. He had probably just gotten there a couple hours before.

Maybe Dutch got the Blackwater money and got to Micah's camp long before a couple of hours prior, hoping to team up with Micah and lay low, but Micah's not the quiet type and that frustrated Dutch over the time they spent together after Arthur dies.

 

The line 'same as you' to John could just be a flat out lie or an opportunity to bail and save his skin after changing his mind regarding Micah, and just took the opportunity to kill him as the net was closing on both so looked to get John and co off his back and go hide after killing Micah.

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FreeMaxB585
2 hours ago, Lonely-Martin said:

Maybe Dutch got the Blackwater money and got to Micah's camp long before a couple of hours prior, hoping to team up with Micah and lay low, but Micah's not the quiet type and that frustrated Dutch over the time they spent together after Arthur dies.

 

The line 'same as you' to John could just be a flat out lie or an opportunity to bail and save his skin after changing his mind regarding Micah, and just took the opportunity to kill him as the net was closing on both so looked to get John and co off his back and go hide after killing Micah.

 

we already know thats not the case. micah had that whole gang of outlaws with him because he hired them with all his money, that was stated a couple times. and dutch if he had a big amount of money the last thing he would do would be to team up with micah. he was there to kill and rob him thats why he said to john "same as you I suppose"

5 hours ago, Implicitly said:

Honestly the whole ending bit here never made any sense to me too. It would've made sense if it was Arthur approaching Micah without Dutch coming by, this always irked me. 

I think it is. Arthur had the key for it and when John enters the room the chest is already unlocked. So it was definitely the Blackwater money or he would've unlocked it himself using the key Abigail gave Arthur. $20,000 I don't think is enough for his ranch either considering that was how much he already owed for the bank, once he acquires the money that's when his entire ranch gets upgraded. 

 

I assume Dutch maybe brought the money out to lure Micah? I guess to backstab him but then John, Sadie and Charles came around. I think the stolen amount was $150,000 too, so that means John would get $50,000, Charles gets $50,000 and then Sadie gets $50,000 equal split. 

 

I dont think that run down ranch in that time couldve had him owning the bank all that much. ranches dont make a ton and they wouldnt give a deal to someone with no chance to make a profit. but that always bothered me to even if he split the cash 3 ways, and paid off the ranch he should have had wayyyyyy more then just 3 grand added to his purse

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Edit: No worries, I tend to make my own stories/assumptions when it's ambiguous. Peace out. :)

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Edit: wrong thread

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Marcinguy

I was watching the final scene again for a refresher, and at one point after Dutch walks out of the cabin, Micah says to John that him and Dutch are teaming up again and wants John to join them. He doesn't seem too surprised to see Dutch. Dutch also doesn't say anything to refute Micah's claim they are joining forces. Hmm, seems as though Dutch was there to form a new gang with Micah maybe? Maybe he brought the Blackwater money with him and once John showed up he decided to just shoot Micah and save his "son", John.

 

Edit: Also, at first Dutch only has his one gun drawn and aiming at John only. He then pulls his other pistol out to shoot Micah, indicating to me that he at first was not planning on shooting Micah at all.

 

Edit 2: Lol, Alright, I also noticed that Micah came out of the same hut that Dutch later did, and they were in there together obviously. It's pretty clear in my mind that Dutch and Micah were back together and that's why MIcah said at first that he had the money from Blackwater. It's made pretty clear that the money there is the Blackwater money, but who knows who brought it up there, Micah or Dutch. Also, it seems to be clear that at the very least Micah and Dutch having a discussion about the money and joining up again in that hut. Perhaps Dutch heard Micah got his hands on the money and went up there to confront him about it, or just get his cut, or to kill Micah even. Who knows?

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FreeMaxB585
4 hours ago, Marcinguy said:

I was watching the final scene again for a refresher, and at one point after Dutch walks out of the cabin, Micah says to John that him and Dutch are teaming up again and wants John to join them. He doesn't seem too surprised to see Dutch. Dutch also doesn't say anything to refute Micah's claim they are joining forces. Hmm, seems as though Dutch was there to form a new gang with Micah maybe? Maybe he brought the Blackwater money with him and once John showed up he decided to just shoot Micah and save his "son", John.

 

Edit: Also, at first Dutch only has his one gun drawn and aiming at John only. He then pulls his other pistol out to shoot Micah, indicating to me that he at first was not planning on shooting Micah at all.

 

Edit 2: Lol, Alright, I also noticed that Micah came out of the same hut that Dutch later did, and they were in there together obviously. It's pretty clear in my mind that Dutch and Micah were back together and that's why MIcah said at first that he had the money from Blackwater. It's made pretty clear that the money there is the Blackwater money, but who knows who brought it up there, Micah or Dutch. Also, it seems to be clear that at the very least Micah and Dutch having a discussion about the money and joining up again in that hut. Perhaps Dutch heard Micah got his hands on the money and went up there to confront him about it, or just get his cut, or to kill Micah even. Who knows?

 

Yea but with the social calls part its clear Dutch got their very recently. Because cleet didnt even tell sadie and john dutch was there. I think dutch went recently and lied to micah saying he wanted to team up but his intention was to kill him and steal the money back. Thats why he told john "same as you I suppose" Micah was only able to hire all those goons because had a crap ton of money. Also cleet told john and sadie that micah had the blackwater money

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Cutter De Blanc

It requires an understanding of not only Dutch Van Der Linde, but also captain crazypants Dutch by 1907

 

Guy was super unpredictable before, losing everything didn't help that

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Corndawg93

So here's my theory, Dutch had only showed up at the cabin within the last 24 hours, I say this because in the credits you see Ross and Fordham show up to the cabin to arrest Dutch so Micah can collect the bounty money on Dutch, Micah is still working with the Pinkatons/FBI, Dutch shows up to the cabin, Micah sends one of his men to notify Ross and betray Dutch, Dutch is there to kill Micah as he tells John he's there for the same reason as John was

 

John showing up ruins both of their plans, hell Micah tells John to join them, he was gunna try to turn in John as well, the money being there I'm guessing was Micah's doing.

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1 hour ago, Corndawg93 said:

So here's my theory, Dutch had only showed up at the cabin within the last 24 hours, I say this because in the credits you see Ross and Fordham show up to the cabin to arrest Dutch so Micah can collect the bounty money on Dutch, Micah is still working with the Pinkatons/FBI, Dutch shows up to the cabin, Micah sends one of his men to notify Ross and betray Dutch, Dutch is there to kill Micah as he tells John he's there for the same reason as John was

 

John showing up ruins both of their plans, hell Micah tells John to join them, he was gunna try to turn in John as well, the money being there I'm guessing was Micah's doing.

That's actually a very good theory.

 

It would also feed into Micah's quote : "I got more men coming, John!" meaning some of them could have been off Mount Hagen and trying to reach Edgar Ross.

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chuckclc
On 1/18/2019 at 12:23 AM, FreeMaxB585 said:

. but that always bothered me to even if he split the cash 3 ways, and paid off the ranch he should have had wayyyyyy more then just 3 grand added to his purse

Wait what?  I got like 20 grand after taking the money from Micah and Dutchs' hideout.

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Morgan Ranch Dressing

It's possible Dutch found it himself.

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FreeMaxB585
On 1/21/2019 at 3:46 AM, chuckclc said:

Wait what?  I got like 20 grand after taking the money from Micah and Dutchs' hideout.

 

i meant to say 30 grand but yea guess it does add up if micah and them spent a lot over some years. just no way in hell dutch would ever tell him where to get it is what I dont get

On 1/24/2019 at 3:07 PM, Morgan Ranch Dressing said:

It's possible Dutch found it himself.

 

lol what? in a non offensive way have you read the thread at all? its very clear dutch didnt get there until that day 

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Morgan Ranch Dressing
5 hours ago, FreeMaxB585 said:

 

i meant to say 30 grand but yea guess it does add up if micah and them spent a lot over some years. just no way in hell dutch would ever tell him where to get it is what I dont get

 

lol what? in a non offensive way have you read the thread at all? its very clear dutch didnt get there until that day 

So it isn't possible that he came there with a wagon carrying all his money?

 

Then again Sadie already knew about the Blackwater money, so that indicates Micah found it first because Sadie didn't know Dutch was there.

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