RDO Next Updates Speculation & General Chat (Part I)

[Rev. Gnash]

 

 

So, is this Clay Davies or Clay Pettiford?

 

https://reddead.fandom.com/wiki/Clay_Davies

 

https://reddead.fandom.com/wiki/Clay_Pettiford

Edited October 5, 2020 by Rev. Gnash

[kcole4001]

2 hours ago, 4eyedcoupe said:

Off topic:  Do any of our Canadian friends know what happened with Coca-Cola and the "out for a rip" guy?  Never did see if he won his suit or settled or what the outcome was.... @kcole4001 @IamCourtney Sorry for tagging you, first two I could think of.

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IF you are unfamiliar:  I once asked a couple of my Canadian friends if people in parts of Canada really talk a certain way, and they sent me this vid: 

 

 

Which led to this next vid.  The cease and desist letter at the end is not only hilarious, it is real.  

 

 

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Honestly, that's all new to me, eh!

Like, for real.

I never heard o' this buddy, and out fer a rip ain't somethin' I hear around here.

 

And yeah, the vernacular is pretty accurate, despite being rather caricature.

With regard to the phonetic tone of their sentences, which always inflect up at the end sounding like everything's a question, eh?

That's mainly indicative of 'Upper Canada'...IE: Ontario, eastern Manitoba, western Quebec.

All the regions have their own kinda thing, I'm on the east coast, but not Newfy east coast, mainlander, eh, and Capers have their own distinct thing as well, sounds kinda like Newfinese, but not quite as twangy.

 

All good fun!

ps: I really have never heard of this Buddy vs Coke thing, though I have been a long time fan of Coca Cola, like since the early '80s, eh.

 

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1 hour ago, StyxTx said:

History of the World Part 1 is another one I watch every time it comes on.

Oh!

I haven't seen that in SO long!

I know what I'm doing tonight! 

 

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On topic: I hope we get lots of stuff

 

I think the satchel/bag/whatever increases will make it worthwhile.

Looking forward to that, new perks can make more of a difference in how enjoyable the game can be than most people realize.

It's tough to do, but something that changes the way we approach game mechanics would be great.

The benchmark, in my opinion, is Eagle Eye +. That made a huge difference.

 

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1 hour ago, DentureDynamite said:

Not a big deal, but last night was the first time I've ever seen an NPC traveling on foot (near Emerald Ranch)--they're always on a horse or wagon, carriage, etc.

 

Pretty sure it's something new; there was no visual connection with a borked mission of any kind; wasn't running from/to anything or afraid...

 

I have seen this a lot recently, though there;s usually an abandoned horse & small cart nearby, it most often will be immediately to your left across the road and the driver then is walking west.

Edited October 5, 2020 by kcole4001
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[Talisman_83]

1 hour ago, Rev. Gnash said:

 

 

So, is this Clay Davies?

I thought you meant this guy

 

 

[RyuNova]

Go South to Bayou N'WAH!

 

[Tez2]

I doubt the Outlaw role is the next one, I'm aware the role itself would be necessary as it may act as the embodiment of Heists, but if it's supposedly coming next, I think Rockstar would had gave us a bigger tease than "extensions and augmentations of an existing role". More importantly, in the same article we received the hint, the next update for GTA Online was revealed to feature a new Heist, wouldn't you agree that would have been a perfect opportunity to announce RDO is getting the same treatment? But all we got is a confirmation of an extension of an existing role.

 

Also, Is "Bounty Hunter -> Outlaw" really an extension of an existing role? I don't think we have ever seen a major element of dishonesty within the Bounty Hunter role, have we ever helped the bounties instead of turning them in? Is turning them alive or dead a differentiator? The way I see it, the role more centers around the honorable side.

 

Or maybe the hint is meant to be ambiguous enough to not consider much depth into it, who knows.

2 hours ago, executor404 said:

So what about the 'placed explosive' icon? The 'job exclusive' and the 'gun for hire' icons? Are they from day one?

Yes, and there's not much in terms of leftovers in the files that would hint towards the new role. Rockstar has since became cautious and ensure no "next update" material is left in the files.

Edited October 5, 2020 by Fun 2

[Shadowfennekin]

Bronte, yes please!

I'd love to work for Bronte as his character was really interesting

 

I was disappointed that he wasn't a stranger yet you have One Mission Mcgee from the Swamps as a stranger for some baffling reason? O_o

 

 

[Potter145]

Thanks @Fun 2 for your feedback. Good points there.

 

What is interesting about Rockstars statement is that they talked about "extensions" and "augmentations", clearly plural.

 

It could just be an ambiguous statement that ultimately tells us nothing as Fun 2 suggested, and that could certainly be the case, but I think this was on purpose. 

 

The moonshiner was the next step of the trader. But I wouldn't call the moonshiner "extensions and augmentations to the trader". 

 

We can be sure that not a new standalone role will be introduced (like Bounty Hunter, Trader, Collector and Naturalist), but that the next update is tied to an aforementioned role. 

 

I'd agree as well that the outlaw role would be its own thing and doesn't fit as an extension and augmentation to the Bounty Hunter. Furthermore, extensions and augmentations sounds also like an existing role will be updated, not necessarily introducing a new role like Moonshiner. 

 

It could just be a bigger update for the collector, as R* has hinted at in the past. But we already get new collections for new updates, like the fossils for the Naturalist. Do an update centered around collector for the holiday season when R* wants to monetize players with exciting new content doesn't make much sense. 

 

I think we all agree after looking at everything we have, that the December update will offer "extensions and augmentations to the Bounty Hunter". Looking at the statement that way, it could mean the Bounty Hunter itself will receive improvements as well as 2 new paths the player could take. Essentially being 2 role extensions. One that moves more in the honorable side of things and one that moves more in the dishonorable side. This doesn't mean it will be the outlaw role, but the next natural step if you are a dishonorable Bounty Hunter that kills its targets.

 

The next update could feature improvements to the Bounty Hunter, an overhaul of the honor system and 2 extensions taking the honorable and dishonorable path. 

 

What do you think? @Fun 2

[Tez2]

3 hours ago, AltiMetro said:

would you mind identifying which things were newly discovered? Thanks man

I don't see any true "new" findings. The arrow types, tomahawk variants and blips are pretty much day one leftovers, even the poach kits. The Jaguar improved bow variant is new, but that's most likely drip-feed content than a clue towards the next role.

Edited October 5, 2020 by Fun 2

[Tez2]

13 minutes ago, executor404 said:

It could just be a bigger update for the collector, as R* has hinted at in the past. But we already get new collections for new updates, like the fossils for the Naturalist. Do an update centered around collector for the holiday season when R* wants to monetize players with exciting new content doesn't make much sense.

 

What do you think? @Fun 2

We did receive new collections, but we didn't receive the posse-related element that was mentioned a while back, right?

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In addition, previously introduced roles are still going to get upgrades and love from the devs. “We’d love to keep adding new collections and additional variety to Collector gameplay, eventually adding the next step, much in the same way that Moonshiner is the evolution of the Trader,” said Pica. One idea we really want to explore is the idea of posse members each finding a distinctly different part of an item, that when brought together forms the collectible you can log in your collection.”

I don't know, I kinda suspect Rockstar is planning big for the Collector.

Edited October 5, 2020 by Fun 2

[thornberry1138]

Am I the only one that thinks the line "extensions and augmentations of an existing roll" is already what happened to the Collector role.. They added fossils or "extended" and randomized a lot of the spots or "augmented" Right?

[Potter145]

10 minutes ago, Fun 2 said:

We did receive new collections, but we didn't receive the posse-related element that was mentioned a while back, right?

I don't know, I kinda suspect Rockstar is planning big for the Collector.

 

Damn now that you quoted the February 2020 interview with R* this line makes me believe we get the next role expansion for the collector. 

 

"eventually adding the next step, much in the same way that Moonshiner is the evolution of the Trader" - R*, February 2020

 

I mean R* specifically mentioned the next step for the collector in 2020 and referred to the Moonshiner. How did I miss this... 

 

Okay guys, forget the Bounty Hunter, we get the Collector expansion. R* told us since February. 

 

EDIT: Now the plural and the augmentations make sense as well. The new role but also the collector posse gameplay can be worded as extensions and augmentations to the collector. 

 

EDIT#2: Don't want to reiterate everything, but just to be clear:

 

The Naturalist is NOT related to the Collector at all. It is a standalone role that could eventually see new wildlife role extensions as well regarding fish and birds. So the December update extending and augmenting the collector makes much more sense now. The Bounty Hunter is possible, but not after reading the February 2020 interview where R* clearly teased content for this year tied to the collector. 

Edited October 5, 2020 by executor404

[Tez2]

Now that I think about it, that sounds dope, joining a posse to find collectibles together. It would lessen the burden of traversing the whole map, unless it's much more grindy than the solo role. Also, it would mark the introduction of the role element to the posse system, which may act as a testing phase for future roles, such as the Outlaw role.

[RyuNova]

29 minutes ago, executor404 said:

The Naturalist is NOT related to the Collector at all.

 

I mean this with respect but you have been told that you needed to be a Collector to start the Naturalist Role. I told you that the Naturalist Role was just the same concept as the Collector Role. Moonshiner has no connection to the Trader Role apart from Cripps knowing Maggie. By your own logic the Naturalist Role is an extension of the Trader Role because you can take Legendary Animal skins to Cripps for a massive Materials boost.

Moonshiner and Trader have no overlap at all apart from Cripps knowing Maggie but thats it.

 

You are looking too much into the corporate speak and outright lies that R* is talking. Them calling Naturalist "massive" should be all you need for the bullsh*t detector to go off.

Edited October 5, 2020 by RyuNova

[Potter145]

Just some food for thought:

 

The base roles like "Trader" and "Collector" have pretty general names, I mean trading and collecting are pretty broad terms. The extension of the trader is called Moonshiner. Now that is a more specific name. It tells us you make and sell moonshine, but in essence you still trade.

 

That is the theme R* wants to go with. Base roles having general names/terms, while extensions going into a more specific side of it while still maintaining the original purpose. You are a moonshiner, but you still trade. It's different enough to be a new role, but not different enough to be a standalone role. Also too specific to be a standalone role, as there is not much room to extend a moonshiner. But there is a lot of room to extend a trader. 

 

Same goes for the collector. The next update will feature an extension to the collector, a more specific side of it, but in essence you still explore and collect. 

9 minutes ago, RyuNova said:

I mean this with respect but you have been told that you needed to be a Collector to start the Naturalist Role.

Collector is not required for Naturalist. 

 

Trader rank 5 is required for moonshiner. 

 

It means you need to spend 15 Gold for the trader first before you can purchase the Moonshiner for 25, adding up to 40 Gold to be a moonshiner. 

 

You can buy the Naturalist directly for 25 Gold. 

 

That's what matters. Pay walls and requirements matter that determines what is an expansion to an existing role. Roles overlap and benefit each other, like giving Cripps legendary animals. It doesn't mean it is directly related to the role. The only role extension we have is the Moonshiner. Every other role is a base role. 

 

The Naturalist is also a broad term referring to wildlife with potential for role extensions that dive deeper into the fish and birds. 

Edited October 5, 2020 by executor404

[Rev. Gnash]

Possible heist locations, in Saint Denis.

 

 

 

Fingers crossed .

 

[RyuNova]

11 minutes ago, executor404 said:

That's what matters. Pay walls and requirements matter that determines what is an expansion to an existing role. Roles overlap and benefit each other, like giving Cripps legendary animals. It doesn't mean it is directly related to the role. The only role extension we have is the Moonshiner. Every other role is a base role. 

 

I disagree, I still think you are looking for too much into this.

[darkmaster234]

48 minutes ago, executor404 said:

 

Damn now that you quoted the February 2020 interview with R* this line makes me believe we get the next role expansion for the collector. 

 

"eventually adding the next step, much in the same way that Moonshiner is the evolution of the Trader" - R*, February 2020

 

I mean R* specifically mentioned the next step for the collector in 2020 and referred to the Moonshiner. How did I miss this... 

 

Okay guys, forget the Bounty Hunter, we get the Collector expansion. R* told us since February. 

 

EDIT: Now the plural and the augmentations make sense as well. The new role but also the collector posse gameplay can be worded as extensions and augmentations to the collector. 

 

EDIT#2: Don't want to reiterate everything, but just to be clear:

 

The Naturalist is NOT related to the Collector at all. It is a standalone role that could eventually see new wildlife role extensions as well regarding fish and birds. So the December update extending and augmenting the collector makes much more sense now. The Bounty Hunter is possible, but not after reading the February 2020 interview where R* clearly teased content for this year tied to the collector. 

I dont blame your optimism, after this sh*tty year one could expect that rockstar planned to compensate us with the most beloved augmentation and expansion  which collector clearly isnt, also profiting in the process; instead of delivering another group of passive activities and infuriating the folk.

 

I would be wary with it nonetheless,  maybe your right. We shouldnt disregard that the interview came before covid with naturalist in the making for april-may...so if we consider the collector expansions were in the horizon by that time and they probably had at least a vague notion of december content, it is feasible that the july-august expansion (collectors) was either  delayed until this december, thus the one planned to followed it  posponed for next year, or instead, the former skipped  altogether until that date in favour of the content with higher popularity.

Edited October 5, 2020 by darkmaster234

[Potter145]

3 minutes ago, RyuNova said:

 

I disagree, I still think you are looking for too much into this.

You can disagree, but I don't understand what you are trying to say or what your point is, exactly. I honestly don't know, don't want to be rude. 

 

You said collector is required for Naturalist, which is wrong. 

But the trader is required for moonshiner.

 

You tried to make a point with false information, so with this new information, what do you mean exactly? 

Edited October 5, 2020 by executor404

[waleed675773p]

5 hours ago, Fun 2 said:

Most of the things that were found in the files dates back to day one. Also, the zombies thing is most likely booked for the new Halloween mode.

hello mister fun 2,

I want to ask you about your experience whether will we get a major update with really good and big role in December or will we get a smaller role like the collectors.

So I want your opinion and so much experience from the past (both in rdo and in gto)

Edited October 5, 2020 by waleed675773p

[Potter145]

9 minutes ago, darkmaster234 said:

 shouldnt disregard that the interview came before covid with naturalist in the making for april-may...so if we consider the collector expansions were in the horizon by that time and they probably had at least a vague notion of december content, it is feasible that the july-august expansion (collectors) was either  delayed until this december, thus the one planned to followed it  posponed for next year, or instead, the former skipped  altogether until that date in favour of the content with higher popularity.

 

Great point. Economically it makes sense as well as from a development and marketing perspective. 

 

I guess we just need to be open minded. We could either get collector or bounty hunter extensions this december. Both make sense and I would be happy with both. In the end it matters how enjoyable the content is, not necessarily the name of it. 

[Talisman_83]

Outside of heists, please don't introduce a role that requires you to join a posse to complete a task.

We solo wolves aren't going anywhere unless you force co-op on us.

 

[Tez2]

51 minutes ago, darkmaster234 said:

We shouldnt disregard that the interview came before covid with naturalist in the making for april-may

Just to provide what I know, the Moonshiner update had lots of indicators as leftovers hinting towards the Naturalist update. Lots of notes and such suggesting possible content planned for the update.

 

Maybe the production started back in February-April, but I think the basics of the update was mostly laid out before that.

Edited October 5, 2020 by Fun 2

[RyuNova]

11 minutes ago, executor404 said:

You can disagree, but I don't understand what you are trying to say or what your point is, exactly. I honestly don't know, don't want to be rude. 

 

Its quite obvious what I mean, I cannot make it anymore simple, don't act coy. Naturalist is an expansion of Collector, perhaps not directly but in concept and you are looking into it and what R* says far too much.

 

13 minutes ago, executor404 said:

You said collector is required for Naturalist, which is wrong. 

But the trader is required for moonshiner.

 

I am not responsible for someone else posting bad information. I took it in good faith.

 

16 minutes ago, executor404 said:

You tried to make a point with false information, so with this new information, what do you mean exactly? 

 

Same as I have always said. Naturalist is an expansion on Collector and you are looking too much into it.

 

[Potter145]

10 minutes ago, RyuNova said:

Same as I have always said. Naturalist is an expansion on Collector and you are looking too much into it.

As I said I don't mind if people have opinions that differ from mine in a public forum centering around discussion and speculation. 

 

For me the requirements and pay walls determine what is an expansion. For you, as you said, it's the concept, and Naturalist and Collector have some similarities in that regard. For sure, but not in essence in my opinion. 

 

I was looking more at what R* considers as an expansion to figure out what they mean and might do next. Exactly that's why I looked in their "corporate speak", not because I'm a blind corporate slave, but to get all the info possible that could lead us to the new role.

 

You might think I look too much into this, but I enjoy this type of speculation. I don't know the truth. C'mon dude, you can't accuse someone of looking too much into something in a RDO speculation topic 

 

13 minutes ago, Talisman_83 said:

Outside of heists, please don't introduce a role that requires you to join a posse to complete a task.

We solo wolves aren't going anywhere unless you force co-op on us.

 

To give you some hope, maybe this type of new content will greatly benefit from a posse. Maybe making it more efficient, but is not dependent on a posse. You could still complete it solo, but it would take a little longer. 

Edited October 5, 2020 by executor404

[waleed675773p]

my role ranking is:

1. monnschiner (my best role because she added a lot of mechanics in rdo)

2.  Neutralist

3. Bounty Hunter

4. Collector / Trader (bad roles for me) because they haven't put that many mechanics in the game

Edited October 5, 2020 by waleed675773p

[waleed675773p]

My theory for the next role is the tax officer (i.e. the ones who control Monnschin) because Mr. @ fun2 said that there will be no outlwa role in December and that rokstar he has to focus on the collector role.

that's why I would say the tax officer is an extension for both the collector and the bounty hunter.  There are two sides to this role, the first is the good side.  In the good side you have to stop and arrest smugglers of valuable objects and find them against stalls and bring them back to their relatives. 

In the 2 page you are a corrupt tax officer and you help smugglers or you steal something from them to get more money. 

what do you think of my idea is it good or bad?

or the opposite side will be the smuggler or in the next update there will only be smugglers.

Edited October 5, 2020 by waleed675773p

[StyxTx]

18 hours ago, Fun 2 said:

I don't know, I kinda suspect Rockstar is planning big for the Collector.

I hope not. Between collector and naturalist there is already too much collecting.

Edited October 6, 2020 by StyxTx

[Guns a-Blazin]

1 hour ago, waleed675773p said:

my role ranking is:

1. monnschiner (my best role because she added a lot of mechanics in rdo)

2.  Neutralist

3. Bounty Hunter

4. Collector / Trader (bad roles for me) because they haven't put that many mechanics in the game

I thought the Naturalist DLC was pretty "meh". Mainly due to the fact that there was broken lobbies, broken LA's and of course Harriet. The others are good but even they could do with a bit of tweaking/upgrades.

 

1 hour ago, waleed675773p said:

My theory for the next role is the tax officer (i.e. the ones who control Monnschin) because Mr. @ fun2 said that there will be no outlwa role in December and that rokstar he has to focus on the collector role.

that's why I would say the tax officer is an extension for both the collector and the bounty hunter.  There are two sides to this role, the first is the good side.  In the good side you have to stop and arrest smugglers of valuable objects and find them against stalls and bring them back to their relatives. 

In the 2 page you are a corrupt tax officer and you help smugglers or you steal something from them to get more money. 

what do you think of my idea is it good or bad?

or the opposite side will be the smuggler or in the next update there will only be smugglers.

Nice theory. I'd probably go with the first one cos it kinda resembles the Lawman. Also, a smuggler role could be a extension to the Trader? It would probably involve us smuggling illegal items off of boats/trains and trading them in for certain prices?

[Direwrath]

2 hours ago, waleed675773p said:

My theory for the next role is the tax officer (i.e. the ones who control Monnschin) because Mr. @ fun2 said that there will be no outlwa role in December and that rokstar he has to focus on the collector role.

that's why I would say the tax officer is an extension for both the collector and the bounty hunter.  There are two sides to this role, the first is the good side.  In the good side you have to stop and arrest smugglers of valuable objects and find them against stalls and bring them back to their relatives. 

In the 2 page you are a corrupt tax officer and you help smugglers or you steal something from them to get more money. 

what do you think of my idea is it good or bad?

or the opposite side will be the smuggler or in the next update there will only be smugglers.

Smuggler would actually be a good introduction into a meatier "outlaw" role. We have to start our criminal enterprise somewhere and all.

[darkmaster234]

31 minutes ago, Direwrath said:

Smuggler would actually be a good introduction into a meatier "outlaw" role. We have to start our criminal enterprise somewhere and all.

Yeah waleeds idea could be good with a few tweaks here and there, best than naturalist surely would.