RDO Next Updates Speculation & General Chat (Part I)

[Nerfgoth]

16 minutes ago, ALifeOfMisery said:

I absolutely cannot see that happening unless Rockstar completely lose the plot and open up a Medieval Times franchise in Los Santos lol.

Like Arena Wars?

[GrungeNinja]

18 minutes ago, ALifeOfMisery said:

I absolutely cannot see that happening unless Rockstar completely lose the plot and open up a Medieval Times franchise in Los Santos lol.

Indeed, it would be a huge let down, even for me that loves medieval. A separated and full game is undoubtedly a better move.

[Potter145]

31 minutes ago, Jason said:

The Medieval stuff isn't being redone as GTAO DLC lol.

 

GTA V SP was cancelled and rejigged for GTAO but that was it.

Man you interrupted the direction of this conversation^^

 

I hoped that at some point people would assume a medieval theme park was planned for GTAO lol

 

To everyone, if it wasn't obvious, I was joking of course. I mean saying that they did mocap in bunker and Dan Houser is pulling the strings was pretty obvious for me.

On 6/20/2020 at 12:30 AM, executor404 said:

R* did mocap in a secret bunker. And Dan Houser didn't leave, he is still pulling the strings. It's like celebrities faking death.

 

At least this is what I heard from my sources.

 

[IzzyBlues]

Wow... thread has gone off topic.

 

Probably for the best.

[GeorgianRingo]

My first post! I signed up so I could potentially offer some insight on the mocap question.

 

Motion capture sessions typically take a week to ten days at most, and in that time thousands of movements become thousands of animations, the vast majority of which are never used or are saved for later content.

 

Obviously I don't know exactly how Rockstar operates, but if they intended to release an online update or DLC in May or June, mocap and VO would almost certainly have been done prior to the pandemic shutdown, and more likely before the holidays in 2019.

 

Unless Rockstar genuinely had no plan at all for the story and/or upcoming features and needed to add unexpected, atypical animations they hadn't already captured, which I doubt, the delay in content has nothing to do with mocap.

 

The only scenarios I could imagine that would require motion capture performances two to three months before project finalization would be 1) catastrophic data loss or 2) a major content rewrite. Even then, many animations don't require mocap work at all.

 

TL;DR: Motion capture is typically in the can at least six months prior to content release and usually much longer.

[ALifeOfMisery]

43 minutes ago, Nerfgoth said:

Like Arena Wars?

I know quite a few people who liked AW (for the game modes themselves, not the awful progression/unlock system).

 

It massively missed the mark for me though, one of many additions that that was so out of place.

 

42 minutes ago, GrungeNinja said:

Indeed, it would be a huge let down, even for me that loves medieval. A separated and full game is undoubtedly a better move.

I have a big interest in that era, both historically and works of fiction set in those times. 

 

I'd love a R* SP title that was either historically accurate or in the medieval fantasy genre, but after GTAO and RDO I dread to think what they would do with the online mode.

[Non Funkable Token]

Always imagined a R* title based on the Ancient Rome times. 

 

They'd make bows and slings as powerful as current day guns to avoid crybaby rants ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Potter145]

8 minutes ago, ALifeOfMisery said:

I'd love a R* SP title that was either historically accurate or in the medieval fantasy genre, but after GTAO and RDO I dread to think what they would do with the online mode.

 

For sure you already checked out Kingdom Come Deliverance?

The developer said Red Dead Redemption (2010) was one of their inspirations for the open world.

I really love this game and it gives me the vibes when I first played GTAV or RDR2.

The DLC is also excellent and they are already working on 2 for NextGen.

 

 

[ALifeOfMisery]

11 minutes ago, executor404 said:

For sure you already checked out Kingdom Come Deliverance?

Yeah, I picked it up on PC. Obviously the setting appealed to me, but I really liked how nonlinear missions are.

[videotech_]

I wish Rockstar would say something. The wait is painful.

[happygrowls]

We can only keep hoping every tuesday that we'll get even a slither of info

 

Even just a hint would be nice

[Lonely-Martin]

All this talk of medieval themes, lol. But it does make me wish/hope R* created more games set in different eras etc.

 

The prohibition era, medieval, Roman/ancient Greece, pirates, future worlds (a la Blade Runner), and more.

 

And along with GTA in a current time, and RDR, add them all to a massive server and we've got a virtual Westworld. Could be fun!

Edited June 21, 2020 by Lonely-Martin
Wording.

[RS123]

4 hours ago, GeorgianRingo said:

My first post! I signed up so I could potentially offer some insight on the mocap question.

 

Motion capture sessions typically take a week to ten days at most, and in that time thousands of movements become thousands of animations, the vast majority of which are never used or are saved for later content.

 

Obviously I don't know exactly how Rockstar operates, but if they intended to release an online update or DLC in May or June, mocap and VO would almost certainly have been done prior to the pandemic shutdown, and more likely before the holidays in 2019.

 

Unless Rockstar genuinely had no plan at all for the story and/or upcoming features and needed to add unexpected, atypical animations they hadn't already captured, which I doubt, the delay in content has nothing to do with mocap.

 

The only scenarios I could imagine that would require motion capture performances two to three months before project finalization would be 1) catastrophic data loss or 2) a major content rewrite. Even then, many animations don't require mocap work at all.

 

TL;DR: Motion capture is typically in the can at least six months prior to content release and usually much longer.

THANK YOU!

 

Been trying to tell everyone motion capture wasn’t the issue.

 

i think due to the pandemic delaying them they realized what they had wouldn’t be enough for an update with such a long wait so I truly think they combined two updates in one so that people can find what they waited for worth it. I truly think the next update will be huge and change a lot of things people didn’t expect. I also think they are reworking things to make future content easier to make and faster to produce, I think they are just laying the ground work and the next update will be as significant, if not more, than frontier pursuits! 

[Lonely-Martin]

44 minutes ago, RS123 said:

THANK YOU!

 

Been trying to tell everyone motion capture wasn’t the issue.

Even the person you quoted admits to not knowing how R* does things and is only making assumptions really. And as they also said, rewrites could be a factor too.

 

For example, they may have planned the photographer role but since saw the reception of that proposed theme and thought they need more/different ideas sooner, but got caught by the pandemic lockdown.

 

It's all just speculation until we learn the facts, of which regarding R*, we'll probably never fully know, lol. It could be mo-cap delays, it could be anything really, but it could also be that content is coming as planned too with no delays or issues with how they've maybe been working from home.

[éX-Driver]

7 hours ago, Mirror Park Resident said:

Always imagined a R* title based on the Ancient Rome times. 

 

They'd make bows and slings as powerful as current day guns to avoid crybaby rants ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Uh.. getting hit by an arrow will absolutely ruin your day, you know. A stone sling accurately thrown will crack your skull like a walnut. There’s a reason they were used for warfare

[Jason]

3 hours ago, RS123 said:

Been trying to tell everyone motion capture wasn’t the issue.

You were trying to tell everyone that mocap wasn't the issue based on factually incorrect information such as "I bet Rockstar could just fly people about on private jets". The guy you're quoting provided insight, you provided fan fiction.

 

Secondly, it isn't just mo-cap that has been impacted by the lockdown - and it has, by the way, just to reconfirm, even if Rockstar did indeed complete the mocap work before the lockdown which has been discussed as a possibility multiple times already. Voice work and Q&A has also been a big issue. I know of a few updates that have been held back or released without voice work and I know of several individuals who have specifically mentioned Q&A as being really difficult during the lockdown. Even if the first two can be skipped, the latter can't. 

 

It is of course all speculation because no one here knows in the innards of Rockstar or how far in advance Rockstar work on this stuff and every studio has been impacted in different ways with the lockdown, however it is pretty bloody reasonable to suggest the reason for the long wait for the GTAO and RDO updates are due to the coronavirus lockdown given many other games or updates have also been delayed because of it.

[Officer Friendly]

[éX-Driver]

6 minutes ago, Officer Friendly said:

What do you propose we talk about then, the continued lack of information on what the next update’ll be? Because that was fun the first thousand bloody times

January: “Oi lads, innit absolute bollocks we’ve not got a single word from R*?”

April: “Oi lads, innit absolute bollocks we’ve not got a single word from R*?”

June: “Oi lads, innit absolute bollocks we’ve not got a single word from R*?”

 

happy?

Edited June 22, 2020 by éX-Driver
No fecking clue why it’s highlighting part of my message, am computer illiterate

[GeorgianRingo]

3 hours ago, RS123 said:

THANK YOU!

 

Been trying to tell everyone motion capture wasn’t the issue.

 

i think due to the pandemic delaying them they realized what they had wouldn’t be enough for an update with such a long wait so I truly think they combined two updates in one so that people can find what they waited for worth it. I truly think the next update will be huge and change a lot of things people didn’t expect. I also think they are reworking things to make future content easier to make and faster to produce, I think they are just laying the ground work and the next update will be as significant, if not more, than frontier pursuits! 

 

2 hours ago, Lonely-Martin said:

Even the person you quoted admits to not knowing how R* does things and is only making assumptions really. And as they also said, rewrites could be a factor too.

 

For example, they may have planned the photographer role but since saw the reception of that proposed theme and thought they need more/different ideas sooner, but got caught by the pandemic lockdown.

 

It's all just speculation until we learn the facts, of which regarding R*, we'll probably never fully know, lol. It could be mo-cap delays, it could be anything really, but it could also be that content is coming as planned too with no delays or issues with how they've maybe been working from home.

This is absolutely correct. Every studio operates differently and I have no knowledge of Rockstar's workflow. That said, I'd be blown away if an outfit with the resources they have waited until that late into the process to do mocap sessions. I'd also be shocked if Rockstar didn't have a massive archive of footage and (mostly, at least) finished animation at their disposal.

 

I'll add that if there were a story rewrite, and mocap hasn't yet been done due to pandemic concerns, I wouldn't expect anything new until October at the earliest. That said, I don't think that's the issue.

[Jason]

1 minute ago, éX-Driver said:

What do you propose we talk about then, the continued lack of information on what the next update’ll be? Because that was fun the first thousand bloody times

January: “Oi lads, innit absolute bollocks we’ve not got a single word from R*?”

April: “Oi lads, innit absolute bollocks we’ve not got a single word from R*?”

June: “Oi lads, innit absolute bollocks we’ve not got a single word from R*?”

 

happy?

IF WE GET NOTHING TODAY THEN RIP THIS MONTH

 

~ said by someone on the first day of a new month

[GeorgianRingo]

16 minutes ago, Jason said:

You were trying to tell everyone that mocap wasn't the issue based on factually incorrect information such as "I bet Rockstar could just fly people about on private jets". The guy you're quoting provided insight, you provided fan fiction.

 

Secondly, it isn't just mo-cap that has been impacted by the lockdown - and it has, by the way, just to reconfirm, even if Rockstar did indeed complete the mocap work before the lockdown which has been discussed as a possibility multiple times already. Voice work and Q&A has also been a big issue. I know of a few updates that have been held back or released without voice work and I know of several individuals who have specifically mentioned Q&A as being really difficult during the lockdown. Even if the first two can be skipped, the latter can't. 

 

It is of course all speculation because no one here knows in the innards of Rockstar or how far in advance Rockstar work on this stuff and every studio has been impacted in different ways with the lockdown, however it is pretty bloody reasonable to suggest the reason for the long wait for the GTAO and RDO updates are due to the coronavirus lockdown given many other games or updates have also been delayed because of it.

For what it's worth, my theory is the delay is due to testing. I don't know much about that side of things, but from what I understand it's very difficult to simulate environmental stressors even when everyone is working in the office. I can't imagine how it's done when everyone is working from home.

[Direwrath]

58 minutes ago, GeorgianRingo said:

For what it's worth, my theory is the delay is due to testing. I don't know much about that side of things, but from what I understand it's very difficult to simulate environmental stressors even when everyone is working in the office. I can't imagine how it's done when everyone is working from home.

Wait! They actually test this stuff before they send it to us? I thought we were the test subjects and when we end up with a bugged out game and complain about how we cannot play they can laugh at us while replying "This is something we are looking into, and intend to fix when the time is right. Here have a few tracking arrows for your trouble. Oh and did you reset your modem? Sometimes that fixes everything." 

 

I'm being obnoxious of course, though I just want to hear something from R* about what's intended for this game's future. That's all. 

[Nerfgoth]

2 hours ago, GeorgianRingo said:

For what it's worth, my theory is the delay is due to testing. I don't know much about that side of things, but from what I understand it's very difficult to simulate environmental stressors even when everyone is working in the office. I can't imagine how it's done when everyone is working from home.

I think it is better and more maybe, just maybe more shows up just because they have to work from home regarding network and connection useitch.

[YNNEL]

Who cares what’s causing it. Just come out and say how long a delay we’re expecting. If it’s delayed until like October they aren’t going to say anything for a long while. Really Rockstar?

[Kirk Lazarus]

(moved https://gtaforums.com/topic/957416-random-role-or-outlaw-pass-ideas/)

Edited June 22, 2020 by a z

[BUT THE BENZ]

can we get new pants please, WITHOUT stripes or blinking accessoires stiched on it?!?!

 

thank you R*, you the best....

[Lonely-Martin]

5 hours ago, GeorgianRingo said:

 

This is absolutely correct. Every studio operates differently and I have no knowledge of Rockstar's workflow. That said, I'd be blown away if an outfit with the resources they have waited until that late into the process to do mocap sessions. I'd also be shocked if Rockstar didn't have a massive archive of footage and (mostly, at least) finished animation at their disposal.

 

I'll add that if there were a story rewrite, and mocap hasn't yet been done due to pandemic concerns, I wouldn't expect anything new until October at the earliest. That said, I don't think that's the issue.

Yeah, anything could be holding things up really. But then again, R* could be using this period to do plenty of quality of life fixes or changes and so on to be fair. They know folk are on lockdown too and the player numbers/gold sales could be good enough that they may have thought now is a good time to get stuck into the game and the next DLC could be huge.

 

But alas, that's the hope anyway, lol. Welcome to the forums though, hope you enjoy your stay. 

Edited June 22, 2020 by Lonely-Martin
Autospell fail.

[Wunderlicht20]

so is R* now back to the studios ?

[Nerfgoth]

3 hours ago, YNNEL said:

Who cares what’s causing it. Just come out and say how long a delay we’re expecting. If it’s delayed until like October they aren’t going to say anything for a long while. Really Rockstar?

If they are going to put out 2 dlc this year they need to release one very soon!

[waleed675773p]

Hello i am a new member and i like rdo a lot but all of us wisches a new Major update .the wait time have bored us