RDO Next Updates Speculation & General Chat (Part I)

[Leftover Pizza]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

As I said, how one studio handles working from home is not how another studio handles it. No one was prepared for this, there's no set plan, not every studio will work in the same way and not every studio will manage the working from home period as well as others.

 

Monster Hunter World, Warframe, Death Stranding PC, Wasteland 3, Iron Man VR, Ghost of Tsushima, Blue Protocol, Baldurs Gate 3, Fallout 76, New World, Path of Exile 2 and Ubisoft's Rainbow Six Siege are all games off the top of my head that have been impacted by the pandemic, whether that's a full game release, beta testing or DLC development. The idea that game development isn't by impacted by the coronavirus is, to be frank, absurd. I remember the Warframe studio, who have adapted pretty well to the work from home stuff, specifically mentioning that Q&A has become very difficult because of the team working from home. Q&A being one of the final and most important parts for any content update for a game

 

Assassin's Creed Valhalla's reveal, like any AAA reveal these days, has been in the work for months, work started on it pre-coronavirus, Bosslogic (who created the promo art) flat out mentioned that he had spent months working on it in his tweet - the live stream was not live, it was months of work cut together into one video. The game is also expected to release this fall, which is when the pandemic's impact on the games industry is widely expected to have died down with teams hopefully being back in the studios long before then, but in general the impact of development on games and updates being released towards the end of the year so far is not really known and while signs point to it, for now, being okay, that could very well change if lockdown continues into the summer. However, development of games and updates being released during the pandemic is being impacted right now and this has been widely reported by studios and people within the industry. Is it not a tinfoil hat theory.

 

Some of the development being greatly impacted by the lockdown is stuff like motion capture work, voice work and localisation, aka stuff that cannot be skipped over. On top of that, general communication is now more complex and like I mentioned, Q&A a lot more challenging.

 

If we weren't in the middle of a pandemic I would be ??? at why we haven't had the update yet. I fully expected it by the end of this month early this year, but with the pandemic going on and as long as studios continue to work from home I do not expect it anytime soon.

 

As for eSports, cause that is somehow being used in context with game development here, eSports has been impacted with some events (RLCS for one) being outright cancelled and others rejigged or delayed. We have seen a rise of impromptu eSports events sure, particularly with the racing and sport games, but again, that has nothing to do with game development. Scaling up server capacity is relatively simple these days.

I added this bit to my previous post, a second before you posted your reply:

 

Here's another thing to think about:

Why would Rockstar be eager to announce chances or reasons of delay on upcoming updates, due to the pandemic, when they never even release any info on content and release dates of such updates in the first place? 
They take a cheap advantage of the situation, hoping to shut up the "when do we get an update?" crowd. 

 

as for e-sport events not having anything to do with game developement, that's bullsh*t. Some offline events got cancelled, many online events added. This is not only just upscaling server capacity, this is also adding new events, new competitions and updates. 
 

Rainbow Six Siege release has not been impacted by the pandemic. All Ubisoft did is warn their playerbase future released updates might get impacted. So, your “have been impacted” quote is not true. 
 

Some studios have to delay releases, due to logistic problems. Other studios do not. For development on upcoming games, the pandemic may be an excuse for delays. 
For fixing issues in your games for months and months on end already, it is not. It baffles me that you let them off with that excuse and actually back them up on it.

 

edit: about the live stream, I never said his work was done live. The streaming was live and people could comment on the progressing artwork. 

Edited April 30, 2020 by Leftover Pizza

[Officer Friendly]

Perhaps they are going back to the drawing board when its comes to RDO? They need to figure out what they want RDO to be outside of simple roles as it doesn't have the same grind appeal like GTA.

 

I think we'll see a small patch next week to address some issues, then maybe a filler update in a couple weeks with an announcement of the major summer dlc, 

 

 

Edited April 30, 2020 by Officer Friendly

[Rev. Gnash]

3 minutes ago, Officer Friendly said:

Perhaps they are going back to the drawing board when its comes to RDO?

*fingers crossed*

 

IMO - they need better writers and add some of the comedic timing that RDR & RDR2; both shared.

 

Rebrand the game as a hardcore western simulator. Full of "easter eggs" - inspired by all the great western genres. There is a cornucopia of available material...

 

Catering to casuals, is so unnecessary.

[eejyool]

2 hours ago, Officer Friendly said:

Perhaps they are going back to the drawing board when its comes to RDO? They need to figure out what they want RDO to be outside of simple roles as it doesn't have the same grind appeal like GTA.

 

I think we'll see a small patch next week to address some issues, then maybe a filler update in a couple weeks with an announcement of the major summer dlc, 

 

 

To me that filler update was the new Showdown Mode variations we got a few weeks ago. I don't know, we'll see

[GrungeNinja]

So, after minutes (the first one was seconds) joining 2 sessions in a row with a hacker interacting with, at the third, it was the last chance before I decide RDO was not worth for this day. The first one, just some seconds at my camp, preparing some meat for the daily, suddenly this cage falls upon me, I continued to prepare the steaks, pretending nothing was happening, just ignoring it, a second cage appeared together with the first one, steaks done, changed session.

The second one, in some minutes when I was at the fence, an UFO appear in my character's place, very bright, hurt the eyes, step out the fence, when I was hitting Esc for changing sessions again, I see the blue dot next to me, very weird name and he even started talking to me, asian languague, he was talking as if were asking questions, mic was not plugged on pc so I did nt bother, roll eyes and changed sessions once more.

The third and last til I could play for 1h40min. I was in my way to the camp in Bayou, when near the river bank this thing appeared from nowhere




Not sure if it was a hacker (I guess so due to the last two sessions and legendary animals update not being live yet),  this experience at least was cool, because when I skiined, its the animation from Story, (I know some ppl may think its too long, but for a Legendary Animal, it really fits the scene, you won't get those too often (besides modders) and the animation is really nice, unfortunately the skin was the same of a regular 3star croc, yet with the legendary color.

[OutlawGin]

12 hours ago, Jason said:

The reason RDO and GTAO are behind on updates is the same reason every other update and game is being delayed right now - a world wide f*cking pandemic. 

 

Only morons who make this type of excuses

As I said other companies are releasing updates during this pandemic, you're talking like R* is the only company who affected by this !

before this pandemic R* had almost 3 months to work on the update, since mid December last year to the beginning of March

this is more than enough time to finish most of the update but guess what? they haven't done anything 

even before the pandemic they were taking 4 months just to release one update which ridiculously a long time considering how empty and buggy the game is

R* is lazy and they are so terrible in communicating with their fans, just accept it .

 

Edited April 30, 2020 by G E N S U I

[Nerfgoth]

18 hours ago, TagoKG said:

IDK but today in solo lobby i got random events every time.

they improve random events today or yesterday ?Im in pc

 

got 6 random events in like 30 m never got so many even in solo lobby

That's solo lobby! A great patch now that reduces the player count in a session or invite. Is going to revitalise the game with content we almost never see.

[BUT THE BENZ]

to most of you it seems like the "pandemic" is holding R* back, keeping them from showing innovation and content etc...to me it's the benzless factor!

that "culture" change that was mentioned, nothing but restructuring the leftovers that is R* today (with the benz and so so many other KEY figures gone), giving the recycled R* "improved" contracts/conditions or whatever

 

 

[eejyool]

2 hours ago, G E N S U I said:

 

Only morons who make this type of excuses

As I said other companies are releasing updates during this pandemic, you're talking like R* is the only company who affected by this !

before this pandemic R* had almost 3 months to work on the update, since mid December last year to the beginning of March

this is more than enough time to finish most of the update but guess what? they haven't done anything 

even before the pandemic they were taking 4 months just to release one update which ridiculously a long time considering how empty and buggy the game is

R* is lazy and they are so terrible in communicating with their fans, just accept it .

 

How would you know how much time it takes to make an update?

1 hour ago, BUT THE BENZ said:

to most of you it seems like the "pandemic" is holding R* back, keeping them from showing innovation and content etc...to me it's the benzless factor!

that "culture" change that was mentioned, nothing but restructuring the leftovers that is R* today (with the benz and so so many other KEY figures gone), giving the recycled R* "improved" contracts/conditions or whatever

 

 

Yeah working rights are useless, why don't they keep forcing their employees to overwork for them? Who cares as long as you're enjoying yourself.

[Jason]

11 hours ago, Leftover Pizza said:

Why would Rockstar be eager to announce chances or reasons of delay on upcoming updates, due to the pandemic, when they never even release any info on content and release dates of such updates in the first place? 
They take a cheap advantage of the situation, hoping to shut up the "when do we get an update?" crowd. 

I'm really not sure what you're getting at here. They've announced and said absolutely nothing and are taking advantage of nothing. We are simply speculating that the reason for the hold up is the impact of the coronavirus and employees working from home, something which has plenty of evidence to back it up due to the numerous other studios saying working from home has impacted them.

 

11 hours ago, Leftover Pizza said:

as for e-sport events not having anything to do with game developement, that's bullsh*t. Some offline events got cancelled, many online events added. This is not only just upscaling server capacity, this is also adding new events, new competitions and updates. 

What on Earth are you on about here lmao. Game development and eSports are ran by COMPLETELY different teams who each have their own challenges and things they can do. It is not hard to, from home, message a bunch of teams and players and sort out a tournament.

 

As for adding new events, updates, competitions, I'm not sure if you're saying this literally about eSports events or something else. There are games that are able to turn on events and fiddle with things without the need for things like content updates or patches - RDO has done this with the new Showdown modes. GTAO has also added new missions. But anyway, again, eSports has literally f*ck all to do with game development - well, except from the fact it influences how games in certain genres are made these days anyway, ie FPS games.

 

11 hours ago, Leftover Pizza said:

Rainbow Six Siege release has not been impacted by the pandemic. All Ubisoft did is warn their playerbase future released updates might get impacted. So, your “have been impacted” quote is not true. 

You dismiss Rainbow Six Siege's example I gave (despite them acknowledging it could impact future updates, which can't be discarded cause it doesn't fit your narrative) and ignored the multiple other examples I picked. So, my "have been impacted" quote hasn't been disproven in any shape or form.

 

11 hours ago, Leftover Pizza said:

Some studios have to delay releases, due to logistic problems. Other studios do not. For development on upcoming games, the pandemic may be an excuse for delays. 
For fixing issues in your games for months and months on end already, it is not. It baffles me that you let them off with that excuse and actually back them up on it.

Physical game releases for some have been delayed due to logistic reasons, some games have been outright delayed due to the working from home. Game updates / DLC have been delayed because of studios working from home. There's numerous examples of this, as I have already given.

 

As for Rockstar not fixing the issues, I am pretty sure I have been pretty damn critical of them when it comes to this in recent months. My point is not "oh Rockstar all is forgiven cause of the pandemic" it's "the reason for the lack at the moment of update(s) is due to them working from home at the time being".

 

4 hours ago, G E N S U I said:

As I said other companies are releasing updates during this pandemic, you're talking like R* is the only company who affected by this !

I have already given examples of studios who have had to delay full game releases and/or updates because of the pandemic. So, not sure what you're trying to say here other than "I don't read".

 

4 hours ago, G E N S U I said:

before this pandemic R* had almost 3 months to work on the update, since mid December last year to the beginning of March

this is more than enough time to finish most of the update but guess what? they haven't done anything 

Sure, except if the work they have left for the update is stuff like voice work and mo-cap which right now is literally impossible to do because the facilities required for them are all closed. Rockstar does a lot (all?) of it's mo-cap in NYC, which if you follow the news is one of if not the worst hit areas in the world.

 

4 hours ago, G E N S U I said:

R* is lazy and they are so terrible in communicating with their fans, just accept it .

Lazy? Eh, ridiculously slow is the word I'd use to describe them in general. My stance on their post-launch support for their online games has been that it's dog sh*t for years and that their communication sucks, but that doesn't mean that they are somehow immune to the struggles of adapting to life in lockdown because ???.

Edited April 30, 2020 by Jason

[Lonely-Martin]

Totally agree regarding this outbreak having a possible impact, pretty much anything can be really and do feel patience is key. I know I can wait another year if it keeps more people safe.

 

But they are complacent in regards to both GTA:O and RDRO, the release and time since, pre-outbreak, definitely highlights that, lol. That said, I'd not put it past R*/T2 to be holding back and use this outbreak as a reason to hold back new content as while plenty are stuck at home, player numbers and potentially gold sales could be doing ok or better than ok, lol.

[Rev. Gnash]

5 hours ago, G E N S U I said:

...and they are so terrible in communicating with their fans, just accept it .

 

That is gospel.

[Jason]

Yea I aint defending the support RDO has had by any means. Moonshiner's was, lets be real, a bad update that wasn't particularly fun when it worked, and it often didn't. But yea, the coronavirus was a spanner in the works for everyone and game developers aren't somehow universally immune to that. Some companies, and this goes for all companies not just game devs, have been able to cope pretty well with it but many haven't and I don't think that's a knock on them. It's been quite scary times for a lot of people these past two months or so.

[Lonely-Martin]

10 minutes ago, Jason said:

Yea I aint defending the support RDO has had by any means. Moonshiner's was, lets be real, a bad update that wasn't particularly fun when it worked, and it often didn't. But yea, the coronavirus was a spanner in the works for everyone and game developers aren't somehow universally immune to that. Some companies, and this goes for all companies not just game devs, have been able to cope pretty well with it but many haven't and I don't think that's a knock on them. It's been quite scary times for a lot of people these past two months or so.

As a movie nut, there's been a few held back that otherwise I'd be enjoying some popcorn with the lad or daughter over, lol. Bond, Black Widow and Candyman are the main ones but I'm sure there's more, lol. Can't be helped and hopefully all is well soon.

 

Royally missing my footie too, gah!

 

Soz to be a bit off topic, but loads is just a 'let's see soon' thing and creating games/content must be affected in many ways. Just unfortunate is all. And as I'm deemed high risk, I can say for sure, very scary times.

Edited April 30, 2020 by Lonely-Martin

[Leftover Pizza]

58 minutes ago, Jason said:

I'm really not sure what you're getting at here. They've announced and said absolutely nothing and are taking advantage of nothing. We are simply speculating that the reason for the hold up is the impact of the coronavirus and employees working from home, something which has plenty of evidence to back it up due to the numerous other studios saying working from home has impacted them.

 

You have a funny way of speculating. Aren't these the exact same words you've posted? There's not much speculating here, you'r presenting it as a fact. I quote:

"The reason RDO and GTAO are behind on updates is the same reason every other update and game is being delayed right now - a world wide f*cking pandemic. "

 

Apparently, I am indeed ill informed and they have indeed not announced or said anything. You did ^.

 

58 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

What on Earth are you on about here lmao. Game development and eSports are ran by COMPLETELY different teams who each have their own challenges and things they can do. It is not hard to, from home, message a bunch of teams and players and sort out a tournament.

 

As for adding new events, updates, competitions, I'm not sure if you're saying this literally about eSports events or something else. There are games that are able to turn on events and fiddle with things without the need for things like content updates or patches - RDO has done this with the new Showdown modes. GTAO has also added new missions. But anyway, again, eSports has literally f*ck all to do with game development - well, except from the fact it influences how games in certain genres are made these days anyway, ie FPS games.

 

Hmm, yeah, okay. Whatever. I'm sure there's quite more to be done besides mailing a few contacts, but if you do think that's about it, power to you, man. Just a hint to where I'm aiming at; there are companies who DO get things done and better and bigger than they used to, and still live in the same lockdowns as Rockstar or whatever studio developing games out there. Again, my posts are all aimed at your The reason RDO and GTAO are behind on updates is the same reason every other update and game is being delayed right now - a world wide f*cking pandemic.

quote, which simply isn't true.

 

 

58 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

You dismiss Rainbow Six Siege's example I gave (despite them acknowledging it could impact future updates, which can't be discarded cause it doesn't fit your narrative) and ignored the multiple other examples I picked. So, my "have been impacted" quote hasn't been disproven in any shape or form.

 

No, I did not ignore the other examples. I simply reacted on the one you highlighted for me. Apparently, that highlight had some importance to you, so I gladly reacted, also because you write that they "have been" impacted. If you've wrote "may be impacted in future updates" (as they did themselves), I wouldn't have to comment on it. 

 

 

58 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

Physical game releases for some have been delayed due to logistic reasons, some games have been outright delayed due to the working from home. Game updates / DLC have been delayed because of studios working from home. There's numerous examples of this, as I have already given.

 

Sure. You'll only read these reasons on the internet. I have seen these many times already. Of course, none of these studios will say: "This pandemic actually comes in pretty handy. Now we can take more time to improve our game and prepare it well for the upcoming nextgen consoles!" 

Do you seriously believe game studios don't already have a good remote working infrastructure and still do all their work in house? 

You so easily present what you believe is happening as facts, but you know as much about it as the next guy, as I do. Not meant negatively. We simply don't know. 

 

 

58 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

As for Rockstar not fixing the issues, I am pretty sure I have been pretty damn critical of them when it comes to this in recent months. My point is not "oh Rockstar all is forgiven cause of the pandemic" it's "the reason for the lack at the moment of update(s) is due to them working from home at the time being".

 

I know you've been damn critical about them and I'm with you all the way. That is exactly why it baffles me that you don't seem to mind that an update for this game should have been released already, even before the pandemic. Instead, you say The reason RDO and GTAO are behind on updates is the same reason every other update and game is being delayed right now - a world wide f*cking pandemic.  and then tell me they never announced anything in this direction, which is true.  Though, every other update and game being delayed right now due to this pandemic? Nah, man. I don't think so. 

 

 

 

 

[Jason]

17 minutes ago, Leftover Pizza said:

You have a funny way of speculating. Aren't these the exact same words you've posted? There's not much speculating here, you'r presenting it as a fact. I quote:

"The reason RDO and GTAO are behind on updates is the same reason every other update and game is being delayed right now - a world wide f*cking pandemic. "

 

Apparently, I am indeed ill informed and they have indeed not announced or said anything. You did ^.

Speculating, yes, fair, but it's a speculation based on what many other studios and people in the industry are saying. There are many other studios struggling with lockdown, it is very reasonable to assume that Rockstar are too. Are there studios that aren't struggling with lockdown? Yea, probably, but that doesn't mean the studios that are struggling are somehow at fault. It is a highly unusual and unpredictable time for everyone.

 

19 minutes ago, Leftover Pizza said:

Hmm, yeah, okay. Whatever. I'm sure there's quite more to be done besides mailing a few contacts, but if you do think that's about it, power to you, man.

Sure, it's simplifying it some what, but again, very different teams, very different set of hurdles they have to get over. eSports events and tournaments don't need things like Q&A and console certification, nor do things that can be tuned without patches, but content updates and bug fixes? They need to go through a whole process that not only relies on the game developer but also Microsoft and Sony.

 

24 minutes ago, Leftover Pizza said:

Do you seriously believe game studios don't already have a good remote working infrastructure and still do all their work in house? 

Depends on the studio. Most big studios likely have something setup to allow people to work partly from home definitely, but completely? And the entire studio? The video game industry is one of the most secretive entertainment industries around, if not the most secretive. Many studios will be impacted simply cause they do not want certain things being worked on from home to avoid leaks lol.

 

28 minutes ago, Leftover Pizza said:

I know you've been damn critical about them and I'm with you all the way. That is exactly why it baffles me that you don't seem to mind that an update for this game should have been released already, even before the pandemic.

I expected the update late March or early April my self, which was post-lockdown in many of the countries Rockstar operates in - their Q&A studios are in the UK which went into lockdown on the 23rd. Like I said, certain things with development are simply not possible right now, I am speculating of course but if they are missing mo-cap or voice work for the update then there is no way around that until lockdown eases.

 

My point isn't "the update should've been out before all this started!!!!" it's that the update right now is probably being held back by the lockdown. Rockstar's slow support for RDO is a whole other thing.

[Kirk Lazarus]

Games are delayed because the last thing that's done is heavy QA.  QA is usually a room full of low paid people.  Can't have that during this virus thing, so things get delayed.  PC only and mobile games have it easier because they also don't have to submit to Microsoft and Sony for release.  So Rockstar could be done with a patch, but it could be sitting on Microsoft's or Sony's doorstep.  Maybe they don't want to release only one platform to minimize rage from fans who didn't get the update.

[OutlawGin]

  

2 hours ago, Jason said:

Sure, except if the work they have left for the update is stuff like voice work and mo-cap which right now is literally impossible to do because the facilities required for them are all closed. Rockstar does a lot (all?) of it's mo-cap in NYC, which if you follow the news is one of if not the worst hit areas in the world.

 

If the mo-cap is what hold them back then they can simply add some content that doesn't require mo-cap 

Ex: new weapons - new clothes - new horses - new co-op modes - new showdown modes and not recycled garbage - new ability cards - Rockstar Editor ...... and the list goes on 

and hey what about a "weekly - monthly" challenges with unique rewards !

they can do so much to keep the game fresh, anyone who make excuses for them is just a moron.

 

[Jason]

5 minutes ago, G E N S U I said:

 If the mo-cap is what hold them back then they can simply add some content that doesn't require mo-cap 

Not if the mo-cap or voice work is essential, it aint just for cutscenes but also animations for new stuff and whatnot.

 

6 minutes ago, G E N S U I said:

  Ex: new weapons - new clothes - new horses - new co-op modes - new showdown modes and not recycled garbage - new ability cards - Rockstar Editor ...... and the list goes on 

and hey what about a "weekly - monthly" challenges with unique rewards !

I mean, yea, this is all stuff everyone including my self has been asking for since the game launched.

 

It doesn't solve the problem of them potentially not being able to send updates through Q&A and console certification during the coronavirus lockdown though.

[Leftover Pizza]

35 minutes ago, a z said:

Games are delayed because the last thing that's done is heavy QA.  QA is usually a room full of low paid people.  Can't have that during this virus thing, so things get delayed.  PC only and mobile games have it easier because they also don't have to submit to Microsoft and Sony for release.  So Rockstar could be done with a patch, but it could be sitting on Microsoft's or Sony's doorstep.  Maybe they don't want to release only one platform to minimize rage from fans who didn't get the update.

 

Yet I'm getting patches from other console games, during this pandemic. Also, I can't imagine that future patches already in development, aren't announced for "approval" by either MS or Sony. I'm pretty sure they have knowledge of certain roadmaps of developers. 

[Potter145]

Jason is absolutely right. To assume the lockdown has only minimal impact is ignorant in my personal opinion.

 

I'm in contact with a few german game developers from different studios, some smaller, some bigger. Most people probably don't know them but I don't want to name them out of respect.

 

They have been struggling pretty hard during this lockdown.

It's not the fact that they are working from home, which most of them have managed fairly well and there are some postives.

 

But more negatives in the end, some of them include:

- Higher issue rate for updates (more bugs because developers work isolated, they missing constant team feedback. You could say they could sreen share and talk all the time, but that's not how it works. You can't recreate the natural office environment with the usual discussion and feedback loop. Something you probably don't fully understand if you never worked on software with a team)

- Less bandwith because not everyone has thousand dollar workstations at home or all the tech available at home. There are many insurance issues as well and more that are too much to list...

- Fits the first point but less effective communication if you are not face to face. Especially if you work on big projects it reduces your productivity

- But the biggest negatives are all the global partners, be it publishers, qas, or other tech companies all aroubd the world that provide assets, and all of them can't do their work properly. That has been the biggest negative for these studios, especially for those that rely on partners in other countries for different reasons. You might be done with your work, but you still have to wait weeks for your global partners.

[Officer Friendly]

Yeah this isn't some 2-bit indie game. Voice work is usually also one of the last things done in development, now tell me how you can replace a studio with an average persons room and mic?

[TagoKG]

hope gtaVI dont release next year or we gonna have really big updates like this year lol

[Ring Dang Do]

@Jason yes with the pandemic it’s expected there would be delays with larger dlc content like the moonshiners dlc where voice actors are used along with motion capture etc. However that doesn’t excuse Rockstar not being more vocal with their player base and providing some sort of road map so we have a carrot on the stick to look forward to, along with any other expected delays with content with the current crisis. How can they expect their player base to hang around when there is nothing to look forward to?

 

Also I don’t think that can fully excuse their weekly content drops where they seem to just constantly recycle old items or just repaint current ones with cow print and snake skin. A company that’s worth $3.5 billlion and sold over 29 million copies of Red Dead Redemption2 surely should be able to have someone who can make a couple of new hats a week or even simply give the players the items from story mode or from the npcs that have already been created for them. 
 

Even dropping the new outlaw pass would at least keep some of us busy for a while rather than have nothing. Again the pandemic can’t really be used as an excuse for the outlaw pass since the majority of the items are again just recycled items they have already created and just ported to online. 

 

RDO was already lacking in content and this pandemic has really brought to light how bad this is. 

 

[Jason]

Yea I really don't disagree with you on anything. RDO's support inbetween major updates has been pretty awful since launch. Beyond Legendary Bounties which were okay we basically look forward to new clothes every week.

[Ring Dang Do]

It would help if they made the updates have a bit more depth like for instance the moonshine shack could of had the option to upgrade the decor by actually going out and hunting the animals rather than just spending some gold click your fingers and that’s the new content completed. They could still have left the gold option there as the game does need to make money and some people want instant gratification. Same system could of been used to upgrade our camp like in singleplayer as well.
 

It would give the player something to work towards and make them more attached to their camp and moonshine shack with the amount of effort that went into it rather than just flicking a switch. 
 

instead the updates are pretty empty and bland with players burning through it in a couple of weeks then waiting months for the next update.

Edited May 1, 2020 by Ring Dang Do

[TagoKG]

today should the day for dlc trailer but no

[Leftover Pizza]

14 minutes ago, Ring Dang Do said:

It would help if they made the updates have a bit more depth like for instance the moonshine shack could of had the option to upgrade the decor by actually going out and hunting the animals rather than just spending some gold click your fingers and that’s the new content completed. They could still have left the gold option there as the game does need to make money and some people want instant gratification. Same system could of been used to upgrade our camp like in singleplayer as well.
 

It would give the player something to work towards and make them more attached to their camp and moonshine shack with the amount of effort that went into it rather than just flicking a switch. 
 

instead the updates are pretty empty and bland with players burning through it in a couple of weeks then waiting months for the next update.

 

Agreed, but I don't think they intended players to get attached to this game much. Else, they'd have put in the effort and not have left the many issues in this game for months on end and released regular updates that matter. There's shiploads of feedback on how they can improve the game, but they choose not to do anything. None of us players know what to expect or even if there's anything coming. Not a word from Rockstar. 

In the meanwhile, novelty wore off as well as interest in this game. It turned into a load of frustration and Rockstar doesn't answer there either. I'm not the type who sticks to trouble, so Rockstar can f*ck off with this and every other game they come up with next. I have absolutely no faith in nor patience with them anymore. 

[Ring Dang Do]

I even remember them saying in some interview that they wanted the players to keep using the camp which is why things like the moonshine shack and future updates wouldn’t include everything so we still had a reason to return to the camp...

 

I mean it’s such a backwards approach so rather than provide us with meaningful content that would make us feel attached to our camp and a reason to return they instead cut content from other places forcing us to return to the camp.

 

imagine if we had to complete a quest to get a dog for our camp rather than just buy one from some online store with gold never to look at again. No don’t be silly that’s thinking way too far out the small box. 
 

I mean the camp is one of the most depressing things, we can outfit Cripps with outfits we will never be able to buy for ourselves, listen to music we can never get to play and if we hang around too long it disappears before our eyes, even the camp doesn’t want to hang around in red dead online.

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21 hours ago, G E N S U I said:

they can simply add some content that doesn't require mo-cap

Why not even return the original outlaw pass? Give people who missed it a chance to get the items. Doesn't require any testing or otherwise, it was already in the game, like a returning limited stock clothing.