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JDumas1977

What is it with developers today....

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An their conviluting the story they have molded in previous games? I found myself asking this question at the end of RDR2 in relation to the relationship between Arthur an John. In RDR, John never once mentions Arthur an the important he played in John escaping to the spot we him in RDR, just how he got those scars, which we find out early on in the prologue just isn't the case. Now I'm not saying he needed to go into a long drawn out monologue to establish Arthur early, but at least an honorable mention (i.e. Landon Ricketts mention during bounty mission #1 in Valentine) would have been enough to drawn questions from the community an maybe even more hype for RDR2. 

 

                        Just an observation...

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Darealbandicoot
On 1/15/2019 at 9:21 PM, Boozey St James said:

It brings up very good points. The gang did WAAAAAY more damage in Saint Denis than Blackwater YET they don't want to go back to Blackwater which has NO BUSINESS to be still in lock down and the characters seem firmly against for some strange reason. Also Dutch already had camp spots picked out for New Austin. I'm honestly surprised Rockstars world class writers don't see these problems in their plot. 

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9 hours ago, Darealbandicoot said:

It brings up very good points. The gang did WAAAAAY more damage in Saint Denis than Blackwater YET they don't want to go back to Blackwater which has NO BUSINESS to be still in lock down and the characters seem firmly against for some strange reason. Also Dutch already had camp spots picked out for New Austin. I'm honestly surprised Rockstars world class writers don't see these problems in their plot. 

Yes, more than once the story is hilarious as it does not make sense and is totally exaggerated.

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Zello

Christian Cantemessa a member of the writing team left after writing RDR1. I don't think he thought that Red Dead Redemption and John's story would get a prequel.

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Jabalous

John says that he doesn't like to talk about him, and in addition, there was no a fitting occasion that John could have used to talk about Arthur or any gang member other than Williamson and Escuella who he was pursuing. It somehow worked for Rockstar. However, I believe that they didn't write Redemption with a definite plan for a prequel, and actually in one of the interviews with Rob Nelson, he said that he was begging Dan Houser to make a prequel to Redemption after it was released in 2010. 

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I Like Fun

Because at the time of RDR1 they hadn't thought of the prequel and I don't think they should retroactively go back and change it.

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On 1/20/2019 at 8:25 PM, Darealbandicoot said:

It brings up very good points. The gang did WAAAAAY more damage in Saint Denis than Blackwater YET they don't want to go back to Blackwater which has NO BUSINESS to be still in lock down and the characters seem firmly against for some strange reason. Also Dutch already had camp spots picked out for New Austin. I'm honestly surprised Rockstars world class writers don't see these problems in their plot. 

 

Blackwater was possibly a set-up and they stole faaaaaar more money in Blackwater than they did in Saint Denis. You find out at the end that John gets twenty grand and assuming its a fair split it would have been sixty grand and that's after eight years of it being squandered away so we can safely assume more than a hundred grand was stolen which would be over three million in today's money.

And to answer the question, RDR1 was written before Arthur even existed. If you want an explanation then Abigail tells Uncle that "Even though John does not talk about Arthur much he thinks abut him constantly." and we can also say that John is letting Arthur rest by not dragging his name through the mud.
 

If they ever did a RDR Remaster I would like new audio added to mention Arthur. Even better would be RDR1 made in the RDR2 engine and released as DLC.

Edited by RyuNova

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PapasHota

Personally i consider this game story just a spin-off fanfic filler because it makes no sense coming from the original and canon RDR.

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22 hours ago, RyuNova said:

 

Blackwater was possibly a set-up and they stole faaaaaar more money in Blackwater than they did in Saint Denis. You find out at the end that John gets twenty grand and assuming its a fair split it would have been sixty grand and that's after eight years of it being squandered away so we can safely assume more than a hundred grand was stolen which would be over three million in today's money.

And to answer the question, RDR1 was written before Arthur even existed. If you want an explanation then Abigail tells Uncle that "Even though John does not talk about Arthur much he thinks abut him constantly." and we can also say that John is letting Arthur rest by not dragging his name through the mud.
 

If they ever did a RDR Remaster I would like new audio added to mention Arthur. Even better would be RDR1 made in the RDR2 engine and released as DLC.

Agreed. The one mission that maybe feels a bit off is the amount of police killed when they rob the trolley station. Obviously for the overarching plot Bronte has to double cross them but this could possibly have been better done - maybe he asked them to take a score off a rival gang and then tried to whack them afterwards. Of course from the Bank Robbery at the end of C4 the Pinkertons are pretty much all over the gang for the rest of the tale - at the end of C5 they send in a small army.

 

Also it’s probably not critiquing too much the gameplay compromises - i.e something that’s purely designed to keep part of the map locked even if it’s not a perfect fit proportionally to the narrative.

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