The ZR380: Wasted Potential - How Rockstargames Can Fix It!

[just do it bob1]

 

The ZR380 Thread : Wasted Potential Thread - How Rockstargames Can Fix It

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It would be nice if a Mod or an Admin could move it. I do not have the option to create topics there for some reason. 

 

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The ZR380 was released and was apart of the Arena War update added to GTA Online. The Arena War update was very fun overall, and I for one had a blast with it. However, there is one small problem. See, the apocalypse version of the ZR380 and the apocalypse version being the only version, allows you to create a stock, ZR380 which is based on the 350z in real life. (see below)

 

 

 

The only problem is that it's not actually stock. There is an annoying front plate, which ruins the appeal and look of the car. 

This front plate I am referring to is the armored plate designed for the car in Arena War. While there remain options to make this car stock, there is no option to remove the plate. There is no glitch to remove it either (unlike some glitches in the past where you could remove parts of cars).

 

 

There is no modded version either. The plate is actually fixed onto the car, in other words, the plate is not an extra.

For those who are unfamiliar with extras, extras are parts of a car in a GTA game that can be removed through glitching or modding. For example, the cage around the Canis Merryweather Mesa is an extra, thus why modders can remove the cage. Removing extras were mostly associated with removing Grafitti off of the Hoods Rumpo XL in GTA3, and removing the Taxi light in other 3D era GTA games.

 

Long story short, the armored plating is not considered extra, so the ZR380 CANNOT be made NE (no extra).

What pains me the most is to see this car used at car meets with this plate. The car would look so much nicer without the plate.. wouldn't you agree?

It is almost like the car is wasted potential. Rockstar games have added this beautiful car into the game but ruined it with this armored plate. 

 

Regardless if you are into stance culture, or even just want a ZR380 for your own, I think we can all agree that we would like a stock ZR380 added into the game. When the Jester Classic was taken from the game files and modified in Story Mode, there was an outcry from the community! No one liked it! Rockstar ended up passing this vehicle from the SASSS update and re-released it apart of After Hours. When it was re-released, it had new customization options and was beautiful. I think Rockstar can do the same here. 

 

As of right now, you are probably curious as to how the ZR380 would have looked if it had no front plate. Luckily modders have taken the time to make a mod that removes this armored plate, which allows us to have a proper visual as to what the ZR380 would look like without the plating. 

 

Spoiler

 

 

In this photo, you can see both a widebody variant (the current one in the game, and a non-widebody variant (not apart of the game).

Although it is not a perfect mod, you can still get an idea of what the ZR380 would look like without its armor.

 

This is an easy fix by rockstar, it took the modders a few hours to create a model without the armor. 

Let's discuss the options of fixing this car, and how to not make it wasted potential and fully maximize the potential of this car.

 

 

This is a simple fix (a few actually). I'm going to list a bunch of ways Rockstar can fix this.

 

1. Add a new option to remove the armored plating 

This is a no-brainer. You add an option to remove the armored plating and there are no more problems. 

 

2. Add a brand new stock variant into the game on Legendary Motorsport

This would be a different approach that would be much better. If Rockstar could add a new stock variant, without all of the ricer customization options, it would be great. We would have the apocalypse ZR380 and then a stock one for all the car enthusiasts. And please rockstar (if you are reading this), please do not remove the Fukaru decals on the rims if you release a new stock variant. 

 

3. Add a brand new stock variant into the game on Legendary Motorsport and slash down the price

As of right now, the ZR380 is extremely expensive. Since this update is apart of Arena War, it is understandable. If we were to get a stock variant, it would make sense to price it around 1.5 Million since we are not making this car Arena War ready. I doubt this would happen, but I would be happy at this point with just an update where it removes the front plating.

 

If this does end up happening, it is likely that this will be added in the next update, not through background scripts. I really hope rockstar comes through with this and does what the community wants. 

Also, if you have any questions, comments, ideas, or have your own opinions on my work, please let me know. I am always trying to make my threads better and it actually means a lot to me. If you have ideas and want to contribute to the thread, let me know and I will add it, crediting you accordingly. 

 

 

 

 

Just wanted to add this very quickly into the thread. Rockstar, why can't we have these wheels? Why can't we customize stock wheels either?

I know so many people into stance culture who have wanted wheels like these for so long. If you do end up making a separate variant, please include these tires! Let us also customize stock rims, please! Better yet, add rims like these officially into Online in the next update. These could possibly be added under the tuner section of wheels? I really hope these wheels are not locked to this version of the car. Hopefully, these can be used on all cars in the near future.

To raise more awareness to Rockstar, I have decided to make a ZR380 petition to remove the armored plating (similar to the petitions people made before the Jester Classic was added). Signing it would help me out and the rest of the community greatly. If you are interested, the link can be found here:

 

https://www.change.org/p/rockstargames-rockstar-remove-the-front-plate-on-the-zr380-petition

 

Together, I think we can make rockstar change the ZR380 and maximize its potential. This way, we can make it the cool car it was meant to be.

I want to appreciate this car more, but I simply can't because of the armored plating. 

 

I will make updates as time progresses.

Thank you for taking the time to read my thread as always. If you would like to contribute and update the OP, please let me know via reply or PM.

 

Update: Thursday March 7th, 2019 | 5:05PM

 

Hey guys, quick update here. As you may know, Rockstar has a new feedback and support page now. Evo actually commented and made a pretty good point.

 

On 3/2/2019 at 11:13 AM, EVOLUT7ON said:

https://www.gta5-mods.com/vehicles/annis-zr380-pack-add-on-tuning

YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO!
This is our chance! Show the link above to R* via feedback to let them know what we want!

https://www.rockstargames.com/GTAOnline/feedback

It's up above in back and white. I think this is a really good idea. I personally have already messaged Rockstar talking about the ZR380, linking both this topic and the Mod that Evo posted. This is also a great opportunity to raise awareness about those Advanced Handling Flags (AHF's) 

Also, thank you to everyone who has voted and signed the petition!

If you haven't already, please do!  

Edited March 7, 2019 by just do it bob1
Last Topic Update: Thursday March 7th, 2019 | 5:05PM

[oli_152]

Signed right away. 

 

Sad that we can't have the ZR380 Stock.

Just a thing : we can actually get the 2 other variants. They are just below in the page in the Arena War Website 

[just do it bob1]

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Edited March 7, 2019 by just do it bob1

[Plocospermataceae]

Yeah it's really weird they didn't include an option to remove the window plate, since otherwise it can be made to look relatively clean. If they added that option, I'd be fine with the current version. Shame it can't be used in races though, since I think it feels really nice to drive. Not very competitive, but would still be fun to race with. I suppose an additional stock version would be nice for that reason. Like it's strange they decided to create this car, but only as a crazy armored version

[Commander S]

'Add a stock version' is the easiest solution, IMO - right now, it's not like there's a car called the "ZR380" in the game, because the only variants are the named Arena War variants (Apocalypse ZR380, Future Shock ZR380, Nightmare ZR380).

 

Take all the kludge and weapons off it, put that version into the game as the no-prefix "ZR380", add some decent modification options at LSC, sell it for a reasonable price ($350k or $370k, or even $380k, because obvious nod is obvious - that, and the price difference is close to that for the Kuruma/Armored Kuruma), and job done.

 

 

...all of which is moot, because when has R* ever done the logical thing when it comes to cars like this? Still no clean Comet Classic, still no Lost/Gang Slamvan - not to mention so many things added that come 'pre-customised', based on real-life customs, instead of stock versions (Deviant, Clique, Hermes, Yosemite, etc.).

 

[IceDree]

Yeah it really bothered me when I first saw it. I was hoping we can clean it up like what people do with the Vapid Imperator or whatever its called, but no dice.

 

I wish it was just the windshield plate. They just had to do the Liberty Walk fenders, gazillion rivets, ugly bumper & so on ... Was a clean body too much to ask???!!

 

I hope they do a clean one with the next update, but I'm not holding my breath.

[whywontyoulisten]

It wouldn't be so bad if the windshield plate could be painted black, as per the Kuruma, but it's all one solid colour. A clean version would be infinitely preferable, but this is Rockstar.

[JoeBoneless]

It's not wasted potential. It was the first Arena car unlock price I got. 

 

I dont see any need for a 'stock' version, weve been getting boring cars for years, these new arena vehicles are actually fun

[crsN]

Joe is right and the majority of the players think the same. That's why there is no stock version for minority players.

 

Edited January 6, 2019 by crsN

[Forza Harrd]

It would be nice to have a stock version, but it's not something I care about. I wanted a 240Z, not a 350Z. They gave me one but they screwed up the back end so much I never drive it. Skyline>350Z anyway.

[crybaby17h16]

maybe they will add it in the few next weeks, adding some small different customizations for a higher price

Edited January 6, 2019 by crybaby17h16

[just do it bob1]

19 minutes ago, crybaby17h16 said:

maybe they will add it in the few next weeks, adding some small different customizations for a higher price

Pretty sure that would require a formal update. They would not be able to do that through background scripts, to my knowledge.

[Commander S]

7 hours ago, crsN said:

Joe is right and the majority of the players think the same. That's why there is no stock version for minority players.

 

 

Joe is debatable, as is the idea that the "majority think the same" - after all, R* still puts out plenty of stock/civilian-grade cars these days (some of which are pretty obscure*), so the demand is clearly there. And they bothered to add stock versions for some of the Arena War cars, so it's weird that they're inconsistent when it comes to this one.

 

*meanwhile, they took a popular sports car, based the in-game name on a fan-favourite from San Andreas, and ...didn't add a regular version for the car enthusiasts.

 

 

Also worth considering: you can't use Arena War variants for races, including stunt races, transform races, etc. - all popular modes (at least in R*'s estimation - again, hence why they've pumped out so many), so it's just wasted potential in that regard, too.

[Black-Dragon96]

What also bothers me with this thing, is that I can't tint the bloody windows for some reason.

[just do it bob1]

Just now, Black-Dragon96 said:

What also bothers me with this thing, is that I can't tint the bloody windows for some reason.

tbh tinting your windows is kinda rice. Much rather have an armored plate than tint my windows

[Gaffa]

Why can't we have a Glendale Stretch too, without it being on huge wheels and outrageous suspension? 

 

Don't get me started on the inability to use almost any Arena War specific vehicles in races, despite not even having weapons on or whatever. Really missed potential. 

[Lonely-Martin]

I don't think it ruins the car as such, but certainly agree we could do with a stock variant, or options to make one. Either way I'd like that. I don't dislike the arena versions but more choice and variety is always good in my book.

 

Same for all the others, aside the standard cars we can upgrade ourselves of course. (Issi or Dominator etc).

[Commander S]

1 hour ago, Gaffa said:

Why can't we have a Glendale Stretch too, without it being on huge wheels and outrageous suspension? 

 

Don't get me started on the inability to use almost any Arena War specific vehicles in races, despite not even having weapons on or whatever. Really missed potential. 

Exactly - and heck, why not a Stretch-E, while we're at it?

It boggles the mind that R* creates all-new parts for things, just for gimmicky variants of them, while passing over the chance to also add a more standard version, too. Could even save them extra work per update - after all, making something like a Glendale Stretch as a new update car means not having to make an all-new body for it.

 

But again, no Lost Slamvan - and I'm not going to feign surprise when two years from now, the Arena Wars boost function hasn't been repurposed as nitrous oxide for more conventional cars... R*'s GTAO team has an uncanny knack for ignoring opportunities to squeeze extra juice out of existing assets (meanwhile, the folks creating the brand-new Red Dead Online seem more than happy to cobble the character assets together simply from single-player RDR2 assets... ).

[Coleco]

Someone had to make the base model anyway, so why doesn't every vehicle have the option for a 'stock' variant? I love my Imperator for this very reason.

 

Or, at the very least - a stock base that needs to be upgraded? Seeing as that's R*'s usual approach to nickel-and-dime players you'd think that they'd give everyone the most basic model as a starting point so that people will have to spend more to get the version they want. 

 

This poor planning by the design team results in lots of one-use-only wasted assets. But we see this time and again with the game environments too, so I guess that's just the way this studio seems to operate (which is short-sighted at best and downright wasteful at worst). It really does suck because all of these cool models and locations could get greater mileage and even (as much as I'm not a fan of it) help further monetize elements of the game.  

 

But, back on topic - I've made my vote above - anything that increases options and player choice can only be a good thing 

[JustCallMeNiko]

Didn't notice before seeing this thread and don't much care since I didn’t plan on adding a clean version of this car to my collection..

 

Still gave you the vote since your post made a good argument with pics and that car could one day look good in my office garage..

[just do it bob1]

On 1/7/2019 at 5:30 AM, Coleco said:

Someone had to make the base model anyway, so why doesn't every vehicle have the option for a 'stock' variant? I love my Imperator for this very reason.

 

Or, at the very least - a stock base that needs to be upgraded? Seeing as that's R*'s usual approach to nickel-and-dime players you'd think that they'd give everyone the most basic model as a starting point so that people will have to spend more to get the version they want. 

 

This poor planning by the design team results in lots of one-use-only wasted assets. But we see this time and again with the game environments too, so I guess that's just the way this studio seems to operate (which is short-sighted at best and downright wasteful at worst). It really does suck because all of these cool models and locations could get greater mileage and even (as much as I'm not a fan of it) help further monetize elements of the game.  

 

But, back on topic - I've made my vote above - anything that increases options and player choice can only be a good thing 

tbh they should have added stock variants for all the vehicles added in arena wear. The upgradable cars (not arena ready) all have stock variants. Like I said, this is purely just wasted potential.

[Agent 14]

 

"You want a clean version of the ZR380? Absolutely not! How about an opressor mark 3 or a deluxo mark 2 instead, sounds pretty cool right? At a whooping price of 5 millions gta dollars you too could be down with the cool kids let mommy and daddy know if they buy our sharkcards you'll be the coolest kid in the lobby people will envy you for owning either 1 of them" - Rockstar

Edited January 27, 2019 by Agent 14

[carnerd3000]

I didn't vote because I wasn't sure if I completely agreed with the choices. But if you ask me, having a stock civilian version of this car was literally a no-brainer. And just for the record, I definitely like this car, and I plan to buy the Apocalypse version (with an attempt to make it as clean as possible). If they went through the trouble of making a regular Impaler, then why in the hell couldn't they do the same thing for this car? I don't know how many people out there are asking for more tuners, but when we get some in 2018, we get one that was jacked up in so many ways, they ended up delaying it 'til the next update, and then we get one that can only be customized with Mad Max stuff, and it's only available to use in the arena events. And then there was the Savestra, which was fantastic IMO, but personally I want more stuff that was made from the late '80's to now.

 

I also saw that @Commander S mentioned how inconsistent R* can be. That's what I dislike the most about them; they seem to know what people want and they reflect that in their updates (besides the fact that they are normally overpriced and that they may have some dumbass pre-requisite or some property you need to buy just to store it or customize it). But then other times, they give us stuff that you can barely imagine anyone on the planet wanting (like the Menacer or the Freecrawler), or they give us something we want, but it lacks notable customization options, or it's restricted from certain activities. You would think that R* would learn from the past, but I can't even tell if they are capable of doing that or not. What's next? Are they gonna give us an RX-7, but as a monster truck?

 

Anyway, yeah I'm whining that I can't have a regular-ass version of a popular tuner car, it's nothing new. But then again why was it even an issue in the first place? What I mean is why is this an issue that R* continues to be guilty of when it could be easily fixed? It's hard to imagine R* not being aware at all that people would've liked to have had a stock version of this car. I feel like there's no way in hell that they were like "let's add another popular Japanese tuner to the game, but let's just make it yet another weaponized vehicle that can only get rust and clothing/jewelry logos as liveries". LOL you've gotta be f*cking kidding me!

[___Lessy___]

Petitions will not help us.
But spamming their e-mail boxes will.

Imagine, you are the R*.
What will attend you?

a) petition of an activist with 1k subs and 10 sent messages;
b) 1000 sent messages without petition but with a good thread on it;

[Agent 14]

On 2/11/2019 at 3:07 PM, ___MissT___ said:

Petitions will not help us.
But spamming their e-mail boxes will.

Imagine, you are the R*.
What will attend you?

a) petition of an activist with 1k subs and 10 sent messages;
b) 1000 sent messages without petition but with a good thread on it;

Rockstar support tech,

 

"Hello MissT We're aware of the high demands of a stock zr380 and we appreciate ideas and feedbacks however, unfortunately a stock variation of the zr380 isn't in our current plans as of now nor it will be in the foreseeable future as the car was intended to be unique to the arena wars dlc. However you might want to wait for the oppressor mark 3 and deluxo mark 2 and the new Lazer mark 2 with stealth abilty that we're currently working on. I hope this answer your concerns as to why we're not working on the car currently. And as always you can show your support to us by buying a shark card. 

 

Stay tune for more updates"

 

 

Rockstar support guy

[Erased]

Signed

[Pedinhuh]

I vote for a new non-widebody stock variant with no pre-installed mods, similar to what the modders did, and then give it a lot of tuning options, including stripped interiors and racing dashboards...Oh and liveries too because such a cool looking tuners wouldn't be complete without liveries, and include a homenage to Rachel Teller's 350Z if possible.

 

[EVOLUT7ON]

https://www.gta5-mods.com/vehicles/annis-zr380-pack-add-on-tuning

YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO!
This is our chance! Show the link above to R* via feedback to let them know what we want!

https://www.rockstargames.com/GTAOnline/feedback

Edited March 2, 2019 by EVOLUT7ON

[Hazzardtohimself]

I shall simply say this (as most other people have already done so) : 

 

All vehicles introduced with the Arena Wars DLC should be purchasable as stock, with the option thereafter of converting them to Arena variants. 

 

Like the Impaler. Buy the normal vehicle, and then turn it into a clown / cyber / rusty version if you want to compete in the Arena adversary mode gameplay. 

[Wolff]

It's becoming a Rockstar classic, just like how the Streiter would've been awesome it wasn't a lifted car. And not to forget making 2 classic Comet variants and not a stock one.