LowG187 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 I've had long discussions about this being a PTW with the gold bars? I'd like to hear everyone's opinion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpjkee Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 No. /end thread IamCourtney, Stretch188, U Carmine and 8 others 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowG187 Posted January 3, 2019 Author Share Posted January 3, 2019 Just now, simpjkee said: No. /end thread Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callahan44 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, LowG187 said: Why? Weapons,ability cards can only be bought with cash. Gandalf In Space, Karlitoz-E, SPECTER II and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyMike24 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 It's not pay to win. But I do think the game will suffer in the long run because it's designed to push players to buy gold bars. GTA is a good example of this games future, where they kept releasing bigger and better weaponized content for players to buy to have an upper hand in freemode. Now it's up to the player to decide if they want to spend hours on end to get these items, or simply buy them right away with real money. Technically it's not a pay to win system because you can get everything through a grind. More like a pay to cheat which is just as bad imo. areyouchappin, LowG187, ThaBirdCoot and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKilledMyHorseAgain Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 If they dont add more content soon they will have to pay me just to play. LowG187, jje1000, Cackling Jack and 9 others 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaBirdCoot Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Not really in my honest opinion, some might disagree but I don't see how it is ptw at least to me it isn't just yet. Maybe it will be one day when only really high end "game changing" items are added whom are locked behind gold but not level cap. Then we will have the situations like in GTAO with every one and their mom at level 1 being able to afford the homing bleep, and how that game turned out we all know, money rules basically all. I'm not criticising GTA in any way btw. would be quite hypocritical on my end seeing the time I put into it. In red dead money is just not feeling like the determing factor to "win". You have sh*t like the varmint rifle early early on which is already good enough to hold your own in about any scenario ( huge debate about that in another topic) But in my example to GTAO what I was wanting to point out is that the broke get fooked usually. Now not saying you can't put up a fight if you don't have the opressors and all that sh*t but that is when skill comes into play. Mostly now in GTA it isn't about skill anymore but who own the best weaponry, vehicles groups up ect ect . and as we all know the easy way is to buy a shark card and then just let mayhem begin. Right now in red dead sitting on plenty gold but I don't feel like there is anything that can buy me an advantage over other players, not when high end horses don't perform the way they should and my supposedly better weapon is no match to a rabbit hunting small caliber. Voila my two cents. Assblaster and LowG187 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokewood Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 25 minutes ago, LowG187 said: I've had long discussions about this being a PTW with the gold bars? I'd like to hear everyone's opinion! no - because there isn't anything to win or lose. It's not a "game" - it's a world. DonnieVega 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearChow Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 No it's not. Guns and ability cards must be bought with in game cash you earn. Apperal you can buy with gold wich is sold on ps/xbox network. There is some items you can buy with gold that will earn ingame cash like buying all of the fishing lures, wich in end can be sold to butcher for ingame cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonFolo Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Nah not really, more like pay to customise. Bakkerbaard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan5252 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 TL;DR No. Next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowG187 Posted January 3, 2019 Author Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Smokewood said: no - because there isn't anything to win or lose. It's not a "game" - it's a world. Thats a very good point. I'm on the side of it not being a ptw game. But what do you say to people when they bring up that fact that you can use your own customized gun in matchmaking series that people have bought with just gold bars? Adding sights and ext barrels can make a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callahan44 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Just now, LowG187 said: Thats a very good point. I'm on the side of it not being a ptw game. But what do you say to people when they bring up that fact that you can use your own customized gun in matchmaking series that people have bought with just gold bars? Adding sights and ext barrels can make a difference. The gold bar upgrades are just cosmetic. Sight,barrels are all cash only. Theres really no problem atm. Im pretty sure this will change though. areyouchappin and 4eyedcoupe 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokewood Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, LowG187 said: Thats a very good point. I'm on the side of it not being a ptw game. But what do you say to people when they bring up that fact that you can use your own customized gun in matchmaking series that people have bought with just gold bars? Adding sights and ext barrels can make a difference. Everyone who participates earns a profit..... Again I will point out that there is nothing to win or lose. Do you get a championship trophy like in football? It's not a "game". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vice Beach Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Money can’t buy skill, a skilled player with the starter carbine can still headshot you just as quick with your gold bar bought weapons. Can you even buy guns with bars? I’m not sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madvillain Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 No its in beta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLKnives Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Ryan5252 said: TL;DR No. Next. Winner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiberiusMcQueen Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 49 minutes ago, Vice Beach said: Money can’t buy skill, a skilled player with the starter carbine can still headshot you just as quick with your gold bar bought weapons. Can you even buy guns with bars? I’m not sure You can't buy guns with gold, or horses, or ability cards, or anything that gives you an actual advantage in any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4eyedcoupe Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Callahan44 said: Theres really no problem atm. Im pretty sure this will change though. yeah, what they^ said areyouchappin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miahus Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 6 hours ago, Callahan44 said: Weapons,ability cards can only be bought with cash. 2 hours ago, TiberiusMcQueen said: You can't buy guns with gold, or horses, or ability cards, or anything that gives you an actual advantage in any way. Wrong. You can buy guns, gun upgrades, horses, and saddles with gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrismads Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Vice Beach said: a skilled player with the starter carbine can still headshot you just as quick with your gold bar bought weapons. WROOOONG. The carbine guy would have his head shot 40 meters before entering the carbines effective range. I'm 99% sure you could rank skip weapons with gold at online release. That was before you could buy gold though. I gotta check when I get online next time, but I think I saw a 'use gold' option on a carcano rifle at the catalouge, that I couldn't affort with $. If thats true, it IS ptw. Might not help to skip rank, but helps ppl too dumb and lazy to earn the money. Edited January 4, 2019 by Chrismads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLKnives Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 32 minutes ago, Chrismads said: but I think I saw a 'use gold' option on a carcano rifle at the catalouge, that I couldn't affort with $. If thats true, it IS ptw. I don't think that's the case. Stretch188 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pressure Drop Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Not pay to win, just expensive for some items. If you could unlock a good horse or weapons early using gold, then it would be pay to win. But everyone has to grind to get to the level required to unlock gun/horse. Stretch188 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stretch188 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 10 hours ago, Chrismads said: ..Might not help to skip rank, but helps ppl too dumb and lazy to earn the money. Theres no AA on the Carcano, so pretty sure that wouldnt be the case against 99% of players. To me, pay to win means you cannot be competitive in the game without paying extra money, or the grind is so excessive that the game is nudging you very hard in that direction. If you could only access the mauser, semi auto shotgun, ability card upgrades and missouri fox trotter/turkoman through gold for example, and access them immediately regardless of rank - that would be PTW. Or if they reduced cash payouts by 75%, this would push the game into that area for me, as it would essentially take months to make enough cash for the guns and horses that give a huge advantage. Allowing people the option of using real money to buy things theyve already unlocked by rank at extremely inflated prices (the system we have now) is completely fair to me - some people have really busy lives, kids, intense jobs, etc. Doesnt mean theyre 'dumb or lazy'. IamCourtney and BearChow 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodoff Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 The best PvP weapon is also one of the cheapest guns in the game. If you're not winning, payment is not the problem. DrKrankenstein and Stretch188 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrismads Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Pay to win has nothing to do with how hard it is to earn it in game. You pay real money and get something instead of earning it in game, that must be as close to the deffinition pay to win as it gets. You can't seriously disagree on that? Not even you @Stretch188! I checked, and the game lets me buy a 600$ mauser I can't affort, for 24 gold. (Yes i'm broke af) That is pay to win. 18 hours ago, DLKnives said: I don't think that's the case. Stretch188 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stretch188 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Chrismads said: Pay to win has nothing to do with how hard it is to earn it in game. You pay real money and get something instead of earning it in game, that must be as close to the deffinition pay to win as it gets. You can't seriously disagree on that? Not even you @Stretch188! Hahaha i guess this is an agree to disagree @Chrismads. Im not saying youre wrong, I just have a different interpretation of the phrase, and there doesnt seem to be any general consensus. By your definition any game with microtransactions is pay to win. By mine, games where microtransactions are basically necessary, and give you a significant advantage over non mtx players are pay to win. More like a free to play phone game where you can buy a loot box for a dollar or spend 200 in game hours to earn the same thing. Basically, as long as my experience isnt limited by my allergy to mtx, i dont consider it pay to win. This is the definition on wikipedia as well, but thats hardly a reliable source, and like I said, theres no real consensus on what the phrase means. Luhya buddy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexiture Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 I would call it Play to Win, which is perfect imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semaj 2JZ♢ Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 (edited) In order for a game to be P2W, it must constitute a scenario where there are only certain things that can be obtained through a real money purchase. Because you have to pay money outright for those things, they will be better than anything that is considered "free" to any F2P player, in order to keep the customer satisfied. That's kinda the point; paid for items should be better than what is "free". So, does RDO fit that criteria? No, it doesn't. Ergo, not P2W. If you've ever actually played an Online game that WAS P2W, you'd never say the same about RDO. Or even GTAO, for that matter. Seriously. /thread Edited January 5, 2019 by Semaj 2JZ♢ Bakkerbaard, Stretch188 and IamCourtney 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakkerbaard Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 @Semaj 2JZ♢ Thank you. Saves me the trouble of typing it out again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
