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Vladistar_895

Is Ray Bulgarin an undeveloped antagonist?

Do you think Ray Bulgarin an undeveloped antagonist?  

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  1. 1. Is Ray Bulgarin an undeveloped antagonist?



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Vladistar_895

Ray Bulgarin as seen and also described by Niko,was a man with a lot of conections,smart,rude,dark,dangerous,angry that would do anything to get what he wants.He appared only in two cinematics and looked intimidating.

In TBOGT,Bulgarin is a crazy,angry man obsesed with money but is not dark or intimidating just a crazy which does little to kill Luis and Tony,and he don't want revenge on Luis that much,since he wants to leave the city.(Don't understand besside killing him why he would be a thread if he would leave town without Luis killing him)

In TBOGT I think Bulgarin should've been more dark like IV and to do more to kill Luis.

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Davao

Yes. Niko should have killed him. After the diamond fiasco we never hear of him again in IV.  There was no backstory on how he turned up in IV.   Considering Niko was his enemy, Niko should have killed him not Luis.  He is a massively undeveloped character and the story in IV should have had more of a focus on him

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Grotti Vigilante

Bulgarin is criminally underdeveloped for an antagonist. Never mind what he did in The Ballad of Gay Tony, in GTA IV he was one of the reasons Niko fled for Liberty City, and he was Dimitri's good friend which is why he betrayed Niko and caused such problems through the entire story of Grand Theft Auto IV. Yet for some reason he never appears for the majority of the game and ends up as a loose end until The Ballad of Gay Tony. He had such an impact on Niko's past life yet so little on the GTA IV story. Even when he actually got some development it didn't live up to how he was described by Niko. The fact he had more impact on Luis' story than Niko's seems to be a rare miss on Rockstar's part.

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DirtCheap

I think he should've been the main antagonist of IV. Before Rascalov's betrayal, he was said to be some mean f*cker who'd use his connections to get what he wanted. Yet he only appears TWICE throughout the entire game. Not only that, but we could've seen some amazing dialogue between him and Niko during a fight. It would be far more understandable to have him as a antagonist than Pegorino.

 

He fortunately appears in TBOGT (showing us he wasn't forgotten), yet he's more of a joke than anything. He should be Niko's enemy, not Luis'.

 

Also, very nitpicky, but he doesn't have such a threatening name. Rascalov and Faustin do, but RAY Bulgarin? Doesn't sound very Ruski to me.

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Grotti Vigilante
38 minutes ago, DirtCheap said:

Also, very nitpicky, but he doesn't have such a threatening name. Rascalov and Faustin do, but RAY Bulgarin? Doesn't sound very Ruski to me.

Some speculation suggests his actual full first name was Rodislav, making his name Rodislav Bulgarin. It sounds reasonable, but there's no evidence to support this as his actual name.

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Nico

I strongly believe Bulgarin was originally going to have a deeper involvement in the base game storyline, but ended up being one of the many changes meant to "spice up" TBOGT. Him as an additional main antagonist alongside Dimitri and Pegorino would have been awesome. There's not too much details about his past relationship with Niko when they both worked in human trafficking in the Adriatic sea, and I feel like Rockstar missed a great opportunity there to enhance both characters. But no, instead they chose to ruin him in TBOGT, in more or less the same way Donald Love was ruined in LCS. Not to mention how crazy and over the top his fate is. That plane explosion should have killed Luis too.

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TheSantader25
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The first time I saw him "Russian Revolution" I was like damn! This dude is serious and does not play around at all. He was intimidating as f*ck. Unlike Dimitri who looked like a sly rat. I thought he had potential to dethrone Tenpenny as the best Antagonist of the series. I was looking forward to more interactions with him and Niko. Disappointing... Dimitri was a good antagonist. But not good enough to be the main one. Instead of Bulgarin we get a whiny weak crybaby like Pegorino. Why didn't they keep Pegorino for TBOGT? It would make sense as well because Tony had connections with the Ancellotis and the commission. And he turns into a joke in TBOGT. I mean I liked the change of tone in TBOGT but they didn't have to make EVERY character into a colorful one. Especially not Bulgarin. Only when he sends Luis to a death trap and his later phone calls remind me of the Bulgarin I saw in IV. 

 

This whole lack of focus on the Russians who are supposed to be Niko's main problem after Niko moves to Algonquin really degraded IV's story for me. Instead we should run around meeting NEW people every 2-3 missions and act like an errand boy. IV had one of the best Writings I've seen in a videogame up to the Bohan part. A Shame it didn't keep the same focus. 

 

 

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WFD1992

I think its suppose to show that Ray Bulgarin shows an affable front to people who haven't wronged him (like Luis at first), but once you have wronged him (or he THINKS you have wronged him), that front falls apart and he shows his true side, which you see in GTA IV and post "In The Crosshairs" TBoGT.

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iiCriminnaaL 49

I can already think of how interesting it would've been had he been the main antagonist of GTA IV, or at least him and Dimitri being the two main antagonists in the same time. But either way, I can see why R* gave Dimitri that role, and not Bulgarin. They wanted the player to experience a betrayal, to meet him for the first time and feel safe that the protagonist has become friends with him, until he turns on the former and tries his best to make his life a living hell. That can't be properly done with Bulgarin, given the fact that he was already an enemy of Niko prior to 2008.

 

Either way, I don't have to explain why it felt very forced to give him a backseat for TBOGT, but at least they could've done it better. They didn't have to show that too "friendly" side of him, even if it's true that crime lords enjoy their hobbies in their free time. His antagonism should've happened a little earlier, because it doesn't feel so much different from Pegorino's last minute betrayal. And yeah... those angry child phone calls weren't a necessary neither. They just made it impossible to take him seriously, even after what he did to that cook.

 

Kinda off-topic, but I believe it could've been better if him and Pegorino switched roles. Pegorino is tied to the Ancelottis (even though they do have some kind of rivalries), given the fact that he was looking forward to take part in the Commission. They could've found an easy way to write him a role that properly connects him to TBOGT's story, with Rocco, Vince, and the Ancelottis. As for Bulgarin, I believe it could of worked if he was the one who ambushes the wedding during the Revenge ending, avenging Dimitri as he was a close friend of him. The last mission would play the same, except that you kill Bulgarin and his Russian goons instead of Pegorino and the Italians. As for Deal, him and his goons could've been in the old casino along with Dimitri and Pegorino. It could've been written as, instead of Dimitri killing Pegorino for his own benefit only, it would be that he had been planning to get rid of him and sell half of the heroin to Bulgarin instead. Hell, I'm not a writer, but the developers could've found appropriate scenarios that fit with the story.

 

Not saying that Pegorino as an antagonist doesn't make sense, but it's just that he's not as powerful as Dimitri or Bulgarin, nor did we get enough time to establish hatred towards him. I just believe that Bulgarin could've been a better choice.

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Sentinel Driver

TBOGT was too short to build him up as an antagonist for the game

and his death makes no sense or I mean

he's escaping on a plane so Luis pulls off an unrealistic stunt to get on the plane and then a hand grenade rips apart the whole plane?

ok it looks cool but doesn't really make sense. Why didn't Yusuf just use his buzzard to blow up Bulgarin's plane before he could take off

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billiejoearmstrong8

I think his character was pretty well shown but there were just a few too many silly extras added on top. If the dumb guitar playing and shooting the sister through the floor parts weren't included I'd have no complaints, he's a good villain and I didn't mind part of his personality being a bit crass and laughable (eg his interaction with Luis and Tony in the club or being into the sports team), just needed toning down a bit. Also would've been nice to see him interacting with Niko more but he's still a good character that I enjoyed in both games either way. So yeah his character is underdeveloped but not criminally so.

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Outlaw Biker Viking

I actually don’t think so. I like how he had a beef with both Niko Bellic and Luis Fernando Lopez at the same time. I also like how he enjoyed his underboss, Timur’s guitar skills, as well as arcade games in his mansion. I agree though, that he really isn’t AS developed of an antagonist as Dimitri Rascalov or Billy Grey. 

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tranceking26

He loved his grenades, that's what will be written on his tombstone. 

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Jeansowaty

I don't think he is. He's the type of guy who comes across as an intimidating criminal mastermind yet he's actually nothing more than a typical pussy. Don't get me wrong, he is crazy and creepy even though we see his "bright side", but on the other hand he comes across as pathetic too. Even Niko calls him a coward because he didn't stay to fight Niko personally. He's not a bad antagonist, but he just has a far weaker personality than say, Dimitri, who was not intimidated by Niko at all and never thought of backing off.

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Megumi

I always felt that they only threw Bulgarin into TBoGT is so that they can clear up loose ends from the GTA IV story.

 

Bulgarin and the Russian mafia were just extremely forced in Luis’s story, they just appeared outta nowhere halfway through the campaign and suddenly ended up being the main antagonists. I would’ve preferred if the main antagonists of TBOGT were the Ancelottis instead, especially that major a-hole Old Man Ancelotti.

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