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Journey_95

Will GTA V be more appreciated after GTA VI?

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woggleman

People are complaining that the missions are boring which is code word for not over the top enough. It's funny though that V always gets a pass on missions like Scouting the Port, the yoga one and that family counseling one. They never seem to get criticized for that the way that other R games do for much less boring missions. I guess if you cater to those who want over the top action people will overlook a lot of stuff.

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WFD1992
6 hours ago, D9fred95 said:

I'm pretty sure when people refer to GTA turning into Saint's Row they mean "wacky nonsense added in just because". That's something GTAO actually does, futuristic weaponized vehicles added in because they're cool. 

Well, until we are able freefall in a tank while fighting enemies (including laser shooting vtols) only to then bail out of said tank to hijak another freefalling tank, before landing with no damage WHAT SO EVER to the tank, and then driving off after the falling debris unleashes a zombie virus, GTA Online hasn't become Saints Row. At least, not Saints Row The Third and onwards Saints Row.

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D9fred95
15 hours ago, WFD1992 said:

Well, until we are able freefall in a tank while fighting enemies (including laser shooting vtols) only to then bail out of said tank to hijak another freefalling tank, before landing with no damage WHAT SO EVER to the tank, and then driving off after the falling debris unleashes a zombie virus, GTA Online hasn't become Saints Row. At least, not Saints Row The Third and onwards Saints Row.

Specifically an event that's happened in SR previously or an equally crazy event happening like the protagonist flying around on an Oppressor destroying furries driving golf carts because Elvis-impersonators want the neighborhood for themselves? Because the way you word your point implies that GTAO couldn't be SR simply because events that happened in SR haven't happened in GTAO.

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burger_mike
On 12/30/2018 at 9:04 PM, mde2 said:

then dont start it

 

Like TheSantader said, firstly GTA V has 60 hours worth of content on it's own some of which can not be done in the multiplayer. You're comparing apples and oranges, and by the way COD Multiplayer and COD Zombies are two separate game(modes) in their own right. I don't even play COD but I know that one is a multiplayer deathmatch while the other is a co-op survival horror. Putting your stupid comparison aside, GTA Online and GTA V function as there own different things, fundamentally they are completely seperate.

 

And again, GTA V is not unfinished, its badly written yeah but I don't know what mental gymnastics you've done to construe that as "unfinished". Dan Houser isn't good at writing wackiness, which is what they tried to do in V but by saying it's unfinished is discrediting the work of hundreds of other people who put blood sweat and tears into a game packed to the brim with content. Both GTA V AND GTA Online.

Oh and by the way, I don't know if you know this but Rockstar (Lezlie Benzies) insisted around the time that GTA Online was coming out that it was a separate game. :V

Do you know how much removed content V has just because they wanted to squeeze it onto last gen?

On 1/3/2019 at 7:15 PM, woggleman said:

V didn't go all the way into over the top stuff because it was their first GTA after IV and they wanted to sort of balance the two which it sometimes fails at and sometimes doesn't but expect the next one to go full over the top especially with the reaction to their latest game.

All the mainstream critiqe of RDR2 is nothing but praise, a few retards on neogaf bitching that it doesn’t have planes is not the reaction you think. 

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spectre07

V is like the person you don't want to be their friend without hurting him and hard to accept.

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danosky

Hi, recently bought GTA V on PC. Have played every GTA since GTA III (sans mobile ones) and I only got this installment so late in the game because I was finishing Doctorate studies/ didn't have a gaming PC/ didn't have any of the consoles. While GTA V isn't perfect, I did find it to be a very fun ride. Sure, some side activities are limited/ repetitive and the money making at the endgame is boring as hell. (Stock market and save scumming basically) And I was extremely disappointed in the fact that there was a Returning players content  and that it hadn't been made available, even after all these years, unless I go out and get a Old gen console and do the linking. But I still had a lot of fun with the single player. The story isn't GTA:SA but it's still enough to get me going from A to B, the missions and gameplay are good and I remember GTA IV well, you couldn't even crash into anything without getting flown out of the vehicle. Personal opinion, it's not perfect but it is still better than IV.

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AlexnderJ

knowing the human mind, it pretty much is a given, they'll bitch whatever stupid complaint about the newest game and claim the old one was better and keep up this cycle

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burger_mike
On 1/17/2019 at 6:04 PM, AlexnderJ said:

knowing the human mind, it pretty much is a given, they'll bitch whatever stupid complaint about the newest game and claim the old one was better and keep up this cycle

If that were the case people would be saying RDR is better than the 2nd, which no one is saying. 

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Grotti Vigilante
12 hours ago, Equatecurl said:

If that were the case people would be saying RDR is worse than the 2nd, which no one is saying. 

I think you mixed it up a bit. Since the one you quoted said that people would complain about the newest game and go on about the old one was better, you'd have people saying the original RDR is better than the sequel, not worse. 

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Beato_dim

I think GTA V is plenty appreciated already. In fact, at least for me, after GTA V was released my opinion of IV was actually lowered for quite some time. So who knows what'll happen when GTA VI comes out. I bet there will be both much rejoicing and much complaining as some gameplay features will inevitably be traded for others.

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SonOfLiberty
7 hours ago, Grotti Vigilante said:

I think you mixed it up a bit. Since the one you quoted said that people would complain about the newest game and go on about the old one was better, you'd have people saying the original RDR is better than the sequel, not worse. 

Even if he got the words mixed up it's still true. Since Red Dead Redemption 2's release I haven't seen any widespread arguments that Red Dead Redemption is better, but then again the Red Dead community is a lot more civil than the GTA community and most people would probably regard both as masterpieces in their own way.

 

Regardless I think this "cycle" is nothing more than peoples' own insecurity and intolerance of accepting opposing opinions. Not everyone hated GTA IV and in a lot of ways GTA IV is in fact a better game than GTA V. That has nothing to do with being old or new. It's just the reality. By the time of GTA VI I have no doubt it'll have its own set of complaints and there'll probably be areas GTA V does better in that really should be pointed out.

 

R* will never make a game that'll please everyone. The fanbase is simply too big divisive and I would say this is true for a lot of AAA developers now too.

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Grotti Vigilante
15 minutes ago, American Venom said:

Even if he got the words mixed up it's still true. Since Red Dead Redemption 2's release I haven't seen any widespread arguments that Red Dead Redemption is better, but then again the Red Dead community is a lot more civil than the GTA community and most people would probably regard both as masterpieces in their own way.

I don't believe that many could objectively argue that the original Red Dead Redemption is better than it's sequel. Granted it's mostly opinion-based as to what game is better and it's hard to be objective about something like that, but some areas it is better without much of an argument. Graphics are just the simple example, but other areas apply as well. Either way, the general consensus is that the sequel lived up to it's predecessor and outdid our expectations.

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Regardless I think this "cycle" is nothing more than peoples' own insecurity and intolerance of accepting opposing opinions. Not everyone hated GTA IV and in a lot of ways GTA IV is in fact a better game than GTA V. That has nothing to do with being old or new. It's just the reality. By the time of GTA VI I have no doubt it'll have its own set of complaints and there'll probably be areas GTA V does better in that really should be pointed out.

Generally, people don't know what they have until they lose it. If GTA VI does something a GTA V fan doesn't like then they'll realise just how much better the game is. For example, we can't appreciate GTA IV's flying vehicles more since GTA V expanded on it, but when it comes to things such as more gritty and realistically well-written storylines, we only see how much better GTA IV's was in comparison to GTA V. I myself never appreciated just how good Niko Bellic was as a protagonist until I played GTA V and wasn't as fond of them as such. I think you're right with some people having insecurity and intolerance, but for someone like me (I regard myself as generally tolerant, and I imagine you'd agree) it's just a matter of needing the realisation of what we've lost from the previous game.

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R* will never make a game that'll please everyone. The fanbase is simply too big divisive and I would say this is true for a lot of AAA developers now too.

This is perhaps why GTA is much more divisive than Red Dead. GTA has a huge widespread fanbase built over a number of years while Red Dead generally appeals to a more restricted audience. I mean granted some people called it boring, but maybe they were just too used to GTA V and expected another wild Rockstar adventure. Even so, you are right. Rockstar can't make a game to please everyone, but then I'd argue that the people they should try to please most is us, the fanbase. Not to sound entitled, but it was use who sat in the queues outside gaming stores waiting for their next release (well not me personally, I just pre-ordered it) and stuck by them despite the long waits between games because we knew they'd do it right. That's a whole other subject though.

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SonOfLiberty
4 minutes ago, Grotti Vigilante said:

Generally, people don't know what they have until they lose it. If GTA VI does something a GTA V fan doesn't like then they'll realise just how much better the game is. For example, we can't appreciate GTA IV's flying vehicles more since GTA V expanded on it, but when it comes to things such as more gritty and realistically well-written storylines, we only see how much better GTA IV's was in comparison to GTA V. I myself never appreciated just how good Niko Bellic was as a protagonist until I played GTA V and wasn't as fond of them as such. I think you're right with some people having insecurity and intolerance, but for someone like me (I regard myself as generally tolerant, and I imagine you'd agree) it's just a matter of needing the realisation of what we've lost from the previous game.

I get what you're saying. With GTA V the only thing I'd be somewhat annoyed with if they downgraded/removed all together would be the customising since GTA V has a pretty good base in that department. Fortunately I was already a big fan of GTA IV's story, Niko etc so I didn't need GTA V for further clarity.😉

 

Honestly the only way I think I would appreciate GTA V more is if GTA VI does something completely crazy like being online only and no single player at all. It would have to be a pretty extreme situation.

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ddarko12

No. I started appreciating GTAO more once they started adding more quality stuff to it. SP is still the same ignored crap since 2015. It's horrible. When VI comes out, no matter how good or bad it is, SP V will still suck as bad as it does today and I'll still not want anything to do with it.

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AlexnderJ
On 1/19/2019 at 10:48 AM, Grotti Vigilante said:

I think you mixed it up a bit. Since the one you quoted said that people would complain about the newest game and go on about the old one was better, you'd have people saying the original RDR is better than the sequel, not worse. 

i can't wait for the inevitable "RDR vs RDR2" video by Crowbcat, people will watch it and circle-jerk, it certainly had an effect on both GTA IV and V

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burger_mike
On 1/19/2019 at 10:48 AM, Grotti Vigilante said:

I think you mixed it up a bit. Since the one you quoted said that people would complain about the newest game and go on about the old one was better, you'd have people saying the original RDR is better than the sequel, not worse. 

Lol yeah

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Darealbandicoot

Actually, Now that I've compared, I found myself enjoying the unpatched last gen version of GTA V and remembered that I actually like it. I can't quite put my finger on why, but the last gen version of GTA V is more memorable and fun to me PERSONALLY than the current gen version which I find boring as f*ck and awful. 

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TheSantader25
1 hour ago, Darealbandicoot said:

Actually, Now that I've compared, I found myself enjoying the unpatched last gen version of GTA V and remembered that I actually like it. I can't quite put my finger on why, but the last gen version of GTA V is more memorable and fun to me PERSONALLY than the current gen version which I find boring as f*ck and awful. 

It's completely understandable. This is one of the reasons I'm against remasters/remakes. They can never capture the feeling/atmosphere of the initial version with a remaster. I definitely still enjoy the remastered version a lot but I myself know that it doesn't have the same good feeling as the last gen version. Many of my fond memories come from the last gen version as well. 

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Official General
On ‎1‎/‎23‎/‎2019 at 4:26 PM, Darealbandicoot said:

Actually, Now that I've compared, I found myself enjoying the unpatched last gen version of GTA V and remembered that I actually like it. I can't quite put my finger on why, but the last gen version of GTA V is more memorable and fun to me PERSONALLY than the current gen version which I find boring as f*ck and awful. 

You gotta be jokin' man. The first gen version of GTA V was so mediocre now looking back at it. The current gen has much better visuals and effects that enhance the atmosphere and feel of the game, and this is even more so evident with the PC version. In fact, I actually gave away my PS3 version of the game away to someone for free.  

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Darealbandicoot
20 minutes ago, Official General said:

You gotta be jokin' man. The first gen version of GTA V was so mediocre now looking back at it. The current gen has much better visuals and effects that enhance the atmosphere and feel of the game, and this is even more so evident with the PC version. In fact, I actually gave away my PS3 version of the game away to someone for free.  

I'm not joking lol. I genuinely prefer the last gen version. 

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Official General
Just now, Darealbandicoot said:

I'm not joking lol. I genuinely prefer the last gen version. 

Fair enough, but I'm the complete opposite. The PC version is the best running on 60fps at least, looks and feels much better, it's the only reason why I still play this game (for mods also). 

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SonOfLiberty
5 hours ago, Official General said:

You gotta be jokin' man. The first gen version of GTA V was so mediocre now looking back at it. The current gen has much better visuals and effects that enhance the atmosphere and feel of the game, and this is even more so evident with the PC version. In fact, I actually gave away my PS3 version of the game away to someone for free.  

I haven't played it on PS3 since 2014. The current gen version didn't fix the mediocre story, characters etc (obviously), but it still feels better to play.

 

I'm pretty sure I still have my PS3 disc laying around somewhere in my room most likely collecting dust.

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ChiroVette
6 hours ago, Official General said:

Fair enough, but I'm the complete opposite. The PC version is the best running on 60fps at least, looks and feels much better, it's the only reason why I still play this game (for mods also). 

 

I haven't played it on PS3 either, since buying the PC version. And I have a crappy PC with a 770m processor. The mods add a lot of replay value to an awesome game, as well. But playing in Los Santos and Blaine County, watching the fanstastic story unfold in beautiful PC detail is breathtaking. I have to hand it to Rockstar. They really made the PC version well worth waiting for.

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Lioshenka

You're an optimist, aren't you? We'll probably be getting On-line up-dates until 2026 at least before R* will even consider making another GTA.

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ChiroVette
23 minutes ago, Lioshenka said:

You're an optimist, aren't you? We'll probably be getting On-line up-dates until 2026 at least before R* will even consider making another GTA.

 

Not at all. I am not asserting a new GTA is coming any time soon. I'm not even sure there is a new GTA on the drawing board. Why should there be, when Rockstar can have money pouring into their coffers continuously, hand over fist, as it has been doing for coming up on 6 years now? Only one of two things, or both, will produce a new GTA. The first would be if the well starts to run dry on Shark Card sales for the current GTAO, and the second would be if the bean-counters at Rockstar or Take 2 start to believe that the GTA V  game engine is resistant to further upgrades and updates. By resistant, I only mean that at some point, a game would have to become dated, based on its age and its current engine. And if Rockstar sees this happening, and newer, more shiny and current gen'ish games start making GTA V and GTAO look bad, they will probably have to release a new one to keep that freemium revenue rolling in.

 

6 years is considered a pretty old game, tech-wise, to still keep up being monetized for IAP/microtransactions, but it is doable. Many mobile games devs are able to keep harpooning the whales with the same game for a long time.

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Lioshenka
3 hours ago, ChiroVette said:

 

Not at all. I am not asserting a new GTA is coming any time soon. I'm not even sure there is a new GTA on the drawing board. Why should there be, when Rockstar can have money pouring into their coffers continuously, hand over fist, as it has been doing for coming up on 6 years now? Only one of two things, or both, will produce a new GTA. The first would be if the well starts to run dry on Shark Card sales for the current GTAO, and the second would be if the bean-counters at Rockstar or Take 2 start to believe that the GTA V  game engine is resistant to further upgrades and updates. By resistant, I only mean that at some point, a game would have to become dated, based on its age and its current engine. And if Rockstar sees this happening, and newer, more shiny and current gen'ish games start making GTA V and GTAO look bad, they will probably have to release a new one to keep that freemium revenue rolling in.

 

6 years is considered a pretty old game, tech-wise, to still keep up being monetized for IAP/microtransactions, but it is doable. Many mobile games devs are able to keep harpooning the whales with the same game for a long time. 

I was responding to the OP :)

 

I do agree with what you said though.

 

On topic: I don't think the opinions will change. GTA 5 is generally liked by most of the people, including myself, so the number of people who change their opinion is going to be negligible. I am fairly disappointed by GTA 5, though I still think it's an OK game. I can't see myself liking it more or less.

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ChiroVette

@Lioshenka, I think what the OP is wondering, and it makes a good point, is if, in the modern, post-millennial gaming world, masses of people don't long for the previous game. Meaning when and if GTAVI comes out, will there be haters in the form of people crawling out of the woodwork singing the praises of V and hammering VI? I think he is also wondering if maybe this is happening with V from IV fans, and will history simply repeat itself in a few years, whenever GTA: Next launches? This is not to suggest you or I or any of the V fans or detractors will change their minds, per se. But maybe a lot of V fans, perhaps like me, will hate GTAVI and long for the days of GTA V, the way some IV fans do with V and IV.

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Jabalous

I don't think anything would make me appreciate GTA V, a game that lacked interesting stories and characters, and as a consequence felt lifeless and flat. Each game should be judged on its own merits. 

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It all depends on VI, but I doubt it, tbh.

 

Every new release gets criticized, but none as much as V. Rockstar tried to go too far down the middle with V and failed to appease either GTA fan (for lack of better terms, IV fans and SA fans - I can elaborate on this more if people want). Rockstar experimented a lot with V and are less likely to do so in VI. They won't do an ageing protagonist with a family again and they won't do an unlikable psychopath in Trevor again. Its likely they'd move to one or two (max) protagonists who are more relatable as the traditional anti-hero than Trevor or Michael.

 

Its also likely that'll we'll get more than one city. Its the natural progression. It may be only two, but will appease a lot. They'll likely improve hand to hand combat and this will please many too. In my opinion, they'll look at some of the backlash against V, the success of RDR2 and the current climate with Trump and opt for a period piece, which, despite some of the worries on here, will be a huge success.

 

Don't get me wrong, GTA VI will have flaws and will remove some features from V that we love - we just don't know what it is yet.

 

TL;DR - if Rockstar go back to basics (even slightly) and simply don't do another GTA V, then it will get less criticism than V did. V pissed off both sets of hardcore fans and VI is likely to at least gratify one of them.

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Grotti Vigilante
2 minutes ago, PaddsterG2k3 said:

It all depends on VI, but I doubt it, tbh.

 

Every new release gets criticized, but none as much as V. Rockstar tried to go too far down the middle with V and failed to appease either GTA fan (for lack of better terms, IV fans and SA fans - I can elaborate on this more if people want). Rockstar experimented a lot with V and are less likely to do so in VI. They won't do an ageing protagonist with a family again and they won't do an unlikable psychopath in Trevor again. Its likely they'd move to one or two (max) protagonists who are more relatable as the traditional anti-hero than Trevor or Michael.

 

Its also likely that'll we'll get more than one city. Its the natural progression. It may be only two, but will appease a lot. They'll likely improve hand to hand combat and this will please many too. In my opinion, they'll look at some of the backlash against V, the success of RDR2 and the current climate with Trump and opt for a period piece, which, despite some of the worries on here, will be a huge success.

 

Don't get me wrong, GTA VI will have flaws and will remove some features from V that we love - we just don't know what it is yet.

 

TL;DR - if Rockstar go back to basics (even slightly) and simply don't do another GTA V, then it will get less criticism than V did. V pissed off both sets of hardcore fans and VI is likely to at least gratify one of them.

Unfortunately, I feel like Rockstar is more likely to lean towards another GTA V formula. The game as of today has shipped over 100 million copies, more than any other they have produced, and GTA Online has proven to be a tremendous financial success. I mean a few of us on the forums don't like what it has become, some of us were even displeased with some elements of GTA V's main game. But money talks, and Rockstar, though caring about their fans and wanting to put out high-quality products, are still a business that needs to make profits otherwise the company's future would be at stake. I imagine that even with Red Dead Redemption II we will still get a similar game to GTA V, which isn't so much bad in itself more so that it's just a shame they might not take the series in a better direction.

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