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Will GTA V be more appreciated after GTA VI?

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mde2
18 minutes ago, Darealbandicoot said:

Wow... Just wow. The delusion in your reply. Now I remember why I don't go near the V section anymore. Also if GTA Online is a separate game, tell me why do I need my GTA V disc to play it? Actually, don't. 

>provides proof straight from the major produces of GTA
>the best you can come up with is "YOUR DELUSIONAL"
Man you're seething aren't you. Now I remember what it's like to argue with children.

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Darealbandicoot
Just now, mde2 said:

>provides proof straight from the major produces of GTA
>the best you can come up with is "YOUR DELUSIONAL"
Man you're seething aren't you. Now I remember what it's like to argue with children.

 

This is literally going nowhere. Remember, YOU quoted ME. Also that quote from Leslie was just fancy marketing. Also I'm not the one seething as I don't write essays like you do triggered about someone's OPINION. 

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3 minutes ago, mde2 said:

>provides proof straight from the major produces of GTA
>the best you can come up with is "YOUR DELUSIONAL"
Man you're seething aren't you. Now I remember what it's like to argue with children.

Nice badge officer!You deserve it!

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mde2
Just now, Darealbandicoot said:

This is literally going nowhere. Remember, YOU quoted ME. Also that quote from Leslie was just fancy marketing. Also I'm not the one seething as I don't write essays like you do triggered about someone's OPINION. 

I'm not triggered I'm carefully explaining why you're wrong. If you really think I'm angry that you don't think GTA V is a finished product and that GTA O and SP are different games, then I know who the real delusional one here is. Regardless the only reason this discussion is going nowhere is because you haven't even bothered to explain why you think GTA V is underdeveloped. You just make these vague statements then get hyper defensive when someone criticizes you so I'm interested, explain your viewpoints.

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SonOfLiberty
2 hours ago, Aquamaniac said:

How is it unfinished? There is plenty to do between the missions or after the story is finished, the story itself has an reasonable end, even three alternative endings. Mafia 2 is unfinished since it's an open world game with no open world activities, you cannot even save outside missions and properly explore the map but this does no way apply to GTA V.

What an odd comparison. Mafia 2 isn't unfinished lol. The devs purposely designed it to be that way because it's a story driven game that uses the city as a back drop like games like LA Noire and The Getaway do. Seems weird to be defending GTA V only to make a nonsensical swipe at another game that really doesn't make a lot of sense either.

 

I wouldn't go as far as saying GTA V's "unfinished" in a literal sense, but the fact is DLC was planned for it at one stage however it was canned to focus on GTAO. Also the features that were made exclusive for the current gen and PC versions that weren't with the game when it originally shipped in 2013.

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mde2
4 minutes ago, Miamivicecity said:

What an odd comparison. Mafia 2 isn't unfinished lol. The devs purposely designed it to be that way because it's a story driven game that uses the city as a back drop like games like LA Noire and The Getaway do. Seems weird to be defending GTA V only to make a nonsensical swipe at another game that really doesn't make a lot of sense either. 

Nah dude he's right Mafia 2 is seriously unfinished checkout this beta video by VadimM. Mafia 2 was originally going to be an open world games, there were melee weapons, side missions, map was a little bigger just generally more content than what we got. The design goal was still the same, create a story driven game about the Italian mob, but it's depressing to see how much content was gutted (I think because the game had to be shipped early or something?)

 

Either way you slice it though, the comparison to GTAV still doesn't work.

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SonOfLiberty
10 minutes ago, mde2 said:

Nah dude he's right Mafia 2 is seriously unfinished checkout this beta video by VadimM. Mafia 2 was originally going to be an open world games, there were melee weapons, side missions, map was a little bigger just generally more content than what we got. The design goal was still the same, create a story driven game about the Italian mob, but it's depressing to see how much content was gutted (I think because the game had to be shipped early or something?)

 

Either way you slice it though, the comparison to GTAV still doesn't work.

Although this is a fair point lets not also forget the GTA games go through a lot of changes through their development too from cut features to parts of the maps being omitted for whatever reason. If every GTA was released how they were during their BETA phase they would look very different to how we know them.

 

With a game like Mafia 2 it went through a lot of changes, but I still don't regard it as "unfinished". It would be unfinished if it required DLC or something just to get the ending.

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Darealbandicoot
29 minutes ago, mde2 said:

I'm not triggered I'm carefully explaining why you're wrong. If you really think I'm angry that you don't think GTA V is a finished product and that GTA O and SP are different games, then I know who the real delusional one here is. Regardless the only reason this discussion is going nowhere is because you haven't even bothered to explain why you think GTA V is underdeveloped. You just make these vague statements then get hyper defensive when someone criticizes you so I'm interested, explain your viewpoints.

Well let's start. (1.) The writing is all over the place and doesn't bother to flesh out the characters (2.) Everything feels rushed no matter how slow you go through the story (3) Barely anything to do in the world compared to other GTA's (4) Interiors for areas like Tequila-la and functions for it were removed for no reason making the world even more empty. (5) no single player DLC that would and could have fleshed out the main characters some more 

 

25 minutes ago, mde2 said:

Nah dude he's right Mafia 2 is seriously unfinished checkout this beta video by VadimM. Mafia 2 was originally going to be an open world games, there were melee weapons, side missions, map was a little bigger just generally more content than what we got. The design goal was still the same, create a story driven game about the Italian mob, but it's depressing to see how much content was gutted (I think because the game had to be shipped early or something?)

 

Either way you slice it though, the comparison to GTAV still doesn't work.

Here I actually agree with you. In comparison to Mafia 2, GTA V looks like a complete game BUT what you said about content being gutted can be applied to GTA V as well. 

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TheSantader25
41 minutes ago, Darealbandicoot said:

 

Also that quote from Leslie was just fancy marketing. 

I'm not gonna say Leslie or Dan are saints but I certainly respect their word more than you since they actually CREATED the game. 

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Darealbandicoot
8 minutes ago, TheSantader25 said:

I'm not gonna say Leslie or Dan are saints but I certainly respect their word more than you since they actually CREATED the game. 

So you agree with Imran Sarwar then that GTA V's story is 3 massive and very very complete games as well since he actually CREATED it? 

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TheSantader25
16 minutes ago, Darealbandicoot said:

Well let's start. (1.) The writing is all over the place and doesn't bother to flesh out the characters (2.) Everything feels rushed no matter how slow you go through the story (3) Barely anything to do in the world compared to other GTA's (4) Interiors for areas like Tequila-la and functions for it were removed for no reason making the world even more empty. (5) no single player DLC that would and could have fleshed out the main characters some more 

1)Still far better than most games. Since You're using a subjective opinion to prove a point. Having flaws in character development doesn't mean "unfinished". So every game with problems in story is unfinished? God Of war is had problems in Atreus' character development. So is it unfinished? Do games simply need to be 10/10 to be "complete"? Dude just admit that the word unfinished was wrong. Flawed? Yes. Unfinished? No. 

2)Another opinion. Just a sentence about how YOU felt when you played the game. 

3)Another Opinion. I find more things to do in this game than any GTA with the exception of San Andreas. 

4)Fair point but no reason to call a game "unfinished". GTA 4 lacked planes but no one uses it as an excuse to call it "unfinished".

5)SP DLC isn't required to make a game "complete". a DLC is just an "additional update" that you "pay" for. GTA 3 lacked a DLC. Was it "unfinished"? 

7 minutes ago, Darealbandicoot said:

So you agree with Imran Sarwar then that GTA V's story is 3 massive and very very complete games as well since he actually CREATED it? 

GTA V is a massive game full of content. Imran Sarwar didn't say it is flawless. Dude. We're not saying GTA V is perfect. It has a lot of flaws. We're just saying the word "unfinished" is wrong. 

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Official General

It simply goes like this for me :

 

1. If GTA VI is significantly worse than GTA V, like for instance it has even more stripped down or missing features, weaker map, etc, then probably V will be more appreciated. 

 

2. If GTA VI is significantly better than GTA V in all or most areas, then GTA V will certainly not be more appreciated, it will be criticized even more on hindsight and soon relegated into the background.

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Yep, because people will somehow find something negative about VI and then treat VI like sh*t because of it.

 

Just look at how this forum treats V after it's story wasn't considered fantastic, and decided to ignore every positive aspect of the game (gameplay, weapons,environment, missions,etc.)

 

Won't be long before we see VI hate topics and far more V appreciation topics.

 

But then again, we can only wait.

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D9fred95

I guess if GTA V and Online are separate games we can all agree Online is objectively the worst GTA story wise and how it dumps all over V's lore.  

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Tycek

I know that I won't appreciate it, even if VI will be utter unfinished and unplayable crap. I'm tired of R* marketing and their way to cheat their loyal fans, and there is very slight chance I'll change my opinion at the release of GTA VI. Thankfully I can always play IV for another time.

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SonOfLiberty
6 hours ago, Official General said:

imistic for the futire.It simply goes like this for me :

 

1. If GTA VI is significantly worse than GTA V, like for instance it has even more stripped down or missing features, weaker map, etc, then probably V will be more appreciated. 

 

2. If GTA VI is significantly better than GTA V in all or most areas, then GTA V will certainly not be more appreciated, it will be criticized even more on hindsight and soon relegated into the background.

 

Personally speaking regardless how GTA VI turns out whether it's good or bad it isn't going to make me a fan of GTA V. GTA V's a good game with good qualities like all GTAs obviously, but it falls far short of being great IMO. I was always a fan of GTA IV so I didn't need GTA V to make me appreciate it.

 

I'll judge GTA VI independently. Red Dead Redemption 2 is already a far better game than GTA V is so I'm very optimistic for the future.

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FemmeFatale

I don't really give af about a GTA VI anymore tbh.

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woggleman

I doubt this forum ever will more because of what it represents rather than what it is but off this forum it is one of the best popular games ever made. Say what you want but the game has serious legs. To stay in the top ten for five years is incredible.

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SonOfLiberty
23 minutes ago, woggleman said:

I doubt this forum ever will more because of what it represents rather than what it is but off this forum it is one of the best popular games ever made. Say what you want but the game has serious legs. To stay in the top ten for five years is incredible.

No one's doubting it isn't popular. In a lot of ways I can understand why it is. It's the video game equivalent of a typical Summer blockbuster being big, flashy and has all the bells and whistles on the surface. However seeing as this forum is a forum mostly made up of diehard GTA fans rather than the usual causal gamers looking for a fix of mayhem people tend to be far harsher and more concise with their views.

 

In saying that if there's one thing I've noticed is no matter how much people criticise GTA V even the most vocal GTA V critics still value it over the GTAO component. It's interesting actually because I've seen a lot of people who love GTA V, but don't care for GTAO. So I think that's something we can all agree on (As D9fred95 said above).

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woggleman

I am not a fan of GTAO even though it actually has been a success which is why they try to emulate it with RDRO. I have not spent a dime of my own money and shark but for as much as people criticize it many are opening their wallets. I know this forum is more critical but if that is the case how do you explain the overwhelming love IV has on this forum?  That is why I said people on this forum dislike V more for what it represents. R has made other games with flaws but people here seem to have a special kind of vitriol for V. Maybe if VI is more in line with what this forum wants from a GTA then maybe they can look at V on it's own terms since it will then be a one off instead of the future of GTA. People have already sort of softened since RDR2 came out and for the most part meets the Gtaforums stamp of approval.

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Science Fiction

Yes, like GTA IV and San Andreas, GTA V will be more appreciated after VI is released. However, everything past V will stay more appreciated. Unless a form of media is undeniably terrible, it will grow in popularity with age. 

 

V verges on terrible, but is still a good albeit mediocre game. 

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SonOfLiberty
14 minutes ago, woggleman said:

I know this forum is more critical but if that is the case how do you explain the overwhelming love IV has on this forum?  

No. I'm not falling for this trap. People have been trying to explain this to you for half a decade so what's the point? 

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woggleman
1 minute ago, Miamivicecity said:

No. I'm not falling for this trap. People have been trying to explain this to you for half a decade so what's the point? 

I am not going to get into a IV vs V debate but it shows that this forum is not always so critical of GTAs. V has a certain kind of vitriol on here and I feel there are many reasons. That Vitriol won't go away unless the next GTA comes out and it is more in line with what this forums wants. Then it could be written off as a one time deal and not seen as ruining the future of the franchise. I do feel that the next GTA will be similar to V and might even go further with the arcadey and gamey feel so V will be seen as the one that started that trend.

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XAIKON

I look back on my journey with Niko with fond memories, a truly memorable character and you felt what he felt as he chugged through the Liberty city criminal underworld. A lot of other great characters too. Then we got TBOGT and TLAD, and those stories will stick with me for ever as well (TBOGT would have been less memorable, but I work in security so I loved playing as Luis!)

 

The memories that will stick with me of GTAV are that Trevor guy was kinda wacky, there was a really pretty detailed world that gave you no reason to do anything with it other than 'hey that looks nice' for 5 seconds then drive off, and that my game is waaaay glitchier and basically broken due to updates for online than it was on day one. Also that we were promised SP DLC, and were then completely shafted by R*. They straight up lied to us about it.

 

So although GTA V was still a damn good game, I will always appreciate GTA4 more.

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16 hours ago, Tycek said:

I know that I won't appreciate it, even if VI will be utter unfinished and unplayable crap. I'm tired of R* marketing and their way to cheat their loyal fans, and there is very slight chance I'll change my opinion at the release of GTA VI. Thankfully I can always play IV for another time.

 

12 hours ago, Miamivicecity said:

 

Personally speaking regardless how GTA VI turns out whether it's good or bad it isn't going to make me a fan of GTA V. GTA V's a good game with good qualities like all GTAs obviously, but it falls far short of being great IMO. I was always a fan of GTA IV so I didn't need GTA V to make me appreciate it.

 

I'll judge GTA VI independently. Red Dead Redemption 2 is already a far better game than GTA V is so I'm very optimistic for the future.

Firstly happy new year to all us GTA forumers. Now back to business as usual.....

 

(Speaking in the context of single player only)

 

Agreed. What I actually meant was that if GTA VI turned out not to be as good as GTA V, then I think many of the other people on here will be much more appreciative of V, I can see that happening. I can picture them saying “at least V had is this and that”. 

 

However for myself personally, my opinion of V will not change one bit, I still found the game to be quite a significant disappointment. To me, I still feel V failed to realise it’s its huge potential and that it did not live up to the great hype it had generated before its release. Like I said before, by normal gaming standards V is great, but by GTA gaming standards it is just above average, which to me is just not good enough. Even if V was better than VI, V would still remain a disappointment to me. The only thing that has kept me interested in playing V are the excellently made mods on the PC version which greatly enhance the gameplay, and that itself is not always enough to make up for the shortcomings of the game. If not for the mods, V would be dead to me and cast aside into oblivion to be completely forgotten about. 

 

11 hours ago, woggleman said:

I doubt this forum ever will more because of what it represents rather than what it is but off this forum it is one of the best popular games ever made. Say what you want but the game has serious legs. To stay in the top ten for five years is incredible.

 

Once again, your common sense and judgement is blinded by your eagerness to defend V from any criticism. You’ve completely missed the point and also veered away from the original topic. 

 

* Nobody said V was not popular. We all know it’s one of the most commercially successful games in gaming history, the gaming media never shuts up about it. We certainly don’t need you to keep repeating it to us like it’s gonna win over V’s critics, because it will not, despite the fact that you’ve stated this millions of times before.

 

* V’s immense popularity and commercial success is completely irrelevant to the point of this topic, and I have no idea why you even referenced it. I can only guess it was a springboard of an excuse for you to wade in and vigorously defend V as you always do, even when there is no need to, in this case. 

 

* Anwyay since you’ve decided to mentioned it, the only reason V has that “serious legs” that you find so mindblowingly incredible and amazing is because of the dominance of online MP gaming over SP, which is where the overwhelming majority V’s success lies. The the majority of the gaming market demographic are younger these days and prefer online MP gaming, which V Online clearly does so well but with the SP being completely neglected. But you see I don’t care for online MP gaming whatsoever, I’m strictly an SP gamer, so therefore V’s continuing commercial success and popularity does not impress me in the slightest, it means sh*t to me, zero, zilch, nada, non etc. Even looking at V Online, to me it still falls very short on what it offers - no map expansion, no new cities, just a continuous stream of new fancy weapons, cars and little tidbits that are pleasing to the eye. But hey, if you find all that incredible then great for you - I just don’t see V through a vision of greatness that you see, regardless of the game’s huge commercial success and popularity. 

 

 

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woggleman

OG a bit off topic but what did you think of RDR2? I know the first one is one of your favorites. I know we will never agree on V so I will stop trying to argue about it.

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Here's a conclusion for my viewpoint on this topic:

 

-While many think V and SA basically are appreciated because of normies, I don't think such a thing is right. I think both have their respective hardcore fanbase among OG GTA fans. It's not the explosions or over the top stuff that makes it appealing to them. But basically simpler things like the world and certain gameplay aspects or even the story. But there's no denying that these two have more "casual" fans than the rest of the games in the series. 

 

-Speaking of casuals, I think this whole hating on the latest entry and sudden appreciation of the previous games is a "casual" thing to do as well. You mostly see this kind of behavior among casual gamers who basically like to jump on bandwagons. I doubt even themselves can come up with a valid reason to why they show such behavior. But speaking of most people on this forum, I doubt we'll change our opinions on previous GTAs just because a new one is released. We mostly have consistent opinions on what we like/dislike about our most/least favorite GTAs and that wouldn't change EVER for the most part. However we will still compare VI to the previous ones. There's no denying that. 

 

-If we want to judge games based on pre release hype there's no denying that V falls extremely behind everything but that's a very bad way to judge things. The hype before V's release cannot be compared to any game even until today if you ask me. By overall gaming standards V is a great game. But by R* standards it drops to the second tier behind games like SA in the top tier. 

 

-Coming from a guy who writes down the powerful points or flaws of the games during the playthrough and gives them a score after hours of analyzing(Yeah don't ask me why but it's a thing I like to do) I don't think V falls shorter than IV or VC in terms of quality. Well I obviously like V more than these two but I try as hard as I can to view games objectively when it comes to rating them and listing the flaws though of course my opinions will always have an effect no matter how hard I try to ignore them. Writing down the flaws/strong points of these games showed me that V isn't that different from IV or VC when it comes to quality. However the flaws are in different areas and I think the reason some people rate V lower is because most of it's flaws come from the story which has a direct effect on the human's emotional side and stops them from thinking straight. This especially has a larger effect on people who consider "story" the most important part of a game. Also a weird thing in V is how connected the story and Gameplay can be due to the multiple protagonist system which in this case not liking certain characters can have an effect on people's take and appreciation on the gameplay as well. 

 

-V will be remembered as the game that changed R* into a greedy company(and also abandonment of SP) and for that as well it may never be forgiven. It's R* who are responsible not V's already established content but it did have an effect on people's viewpoint on V and it may never change. 

 

-In the end I liked V and even though I was disappointed as well, my disappointment was nowhere near some of the people on this forum. Maybe it's because I lowered my expectations from R* after GTA IV. I hope some people change their opinion by replaying the game before VI since many like to visit old games before a new entry. 

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On ‎1‎/‎1‎/‎2019 at 6:43 AM, woggleman said:

OG a bit off topic but what did you think of RDR2? I know the first one is one of your favorites. I know we will never agree on V so I will stop trying to argue about it.

Sh*t can you believe I ain't played RDR2 yet ?

 

I've caught the PC master race bug and I want to wait for RDR2 to come out on PC so I can play it at 60fps with super advanced graphics like I have been doing with GTA V. But recently I've changed my mind and decided I'm just gonna get it for ,my PS4, which I will part trade for a PS4 Pro very soon. I can't wait any longer, I think I'd better start RDR very soon, I probably will get it next month.

 

Bro, just to close on V, I can assure you my criticisms of V are genuine. I'd have loved to have liked V a lot, but I just did not, there is no motive behind it that is purely bashing it for the sake of it or just be different or "look cool", definitely not on my behalf. I still play the game every now (with mods), so it's not like I completely dislike or hate it. 

On ‎1‎/‎1‎/‎2019 at 9:23 AM, TheSantader25 said:

-If we want to judge games based on pre release hype there's no denying that V falls extremely behind everything but that's a very bad way to judge things. The hype before V's release cannot be compared to any game even until today if you ask me. By overall gaming standards V is a great game. But by R* standards it drops to the second tier behind games like SA in the top tier. 

 

If that is aimed at me, let me set you straight. I'm using overhyped to further add description and detail to the reasons why I found GTA V disappointing. The core reason is simply V was just not as great as it really should have been, the overhyped tag is just added to reinforce that opinion, it's not the crux of the reasons regarding my my criticisms of the game. 

 

On ‎1‎/‎1‎/‎2019 at 9:23 AM, TheSantader25 said:

 

-In the end I liked V and even though I was disappointed as well, my disappointment was nowhere near some of the people on this forum. Maybe it's because I lowered my expectations from R* after GTA IV. I hope some people change their opinion by replaying the game before VI since many like to visit old games before a new entry. 

My disappointment with V was high because I had initially been quite disappointed with IV and really hoped that V would fix everything that IV did wrong and add what IV should have had and more. Rockstar even gave us the impression that was gonna be the case too. But for me, to find I ended up still liking IV&EFLC better than V was the final nail in the coffin any hope of me holding V in high regard. 

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30 minutes ago, Official General said:

If that is aimed at me, let me set you straight. I'm using overhyped to further add description and detail to the reasons why I found GTA V disappointing. The core reason is simply just did not V was as great as it really should have been, the overhyped tag is just added to reinforce that opinion, it's not the crux of the reasons my criticisms of the game. 

 

My disappointment with V was high because I had initially been quite disappointed with IV and really hoped that V would fix everything that IV did wrong and add what IV should have had and more. Rockstar even gave us the impression that was gonna be the case too. But for me, to find I ended up still liking IV&EFLC better than V was the final nail in the coffin any hope of me holding V in high regard. 

It's not aimed at anyone. It's just an overall take based on what I've read from everyone in this entire thread. 

 

Not being as Great as it should have been or not living up to the hype, these two phrases pretty much indicate that that V wasn't what everyone expected. And I agree. It wasn't. But I think that's not the right way to rate games from an objective standpoint. Cause disappointment can overshadow your judgement. And the bigger the hype(or as you call it expectations) the bigger the disappointment might become. 

 

Yep. I think that's what everyone actually expected from V. Fixing IV's problems and add more. But it ended up fixing "some" parts and breaking other parts and adding some on it's own. Whether the flaws within IV are more acceptable or V's is a matter of opinion. 

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8 minutes ago, TheSantader25 said:

It's not aimed at anyone. It's just an overall take based on what I've read from everyone in this entire thread. 

 

Not being as Great as it should have been or not living up to the hype, these two phrases pretty much indicate that that V wasn't what everyone expected. And I agree. It wasn't. But I think that's not the right way to rate games from an objective standpoint. Cause disappointment can overshadow your judgement. And the bigger the hype(or as you call it expectations) the bigger the disappointment might become. 

 

Yep. I think that's what everyone actually expected from V. Fixing IV's problems and add more. But it ended up fixing "some" parts and breaking other parts and adding some on it's own. Whether the flaws within IV are more acceptable or V's is a matter of opinion. 

In straight talking terms, my judgement was straight-forward and clear. I simply just did not like V as much I'd hope to and I found it disappointing, despite it being a fairly decent game overall. There is nothing else for me to add to that really. 

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