Players Killing me for no reason

[Big Molio]

55 minutes ago, White Shark said:

Lol, I don't have to defend my anti-griefer tactics, when griefers use the most utter scumbag techniques in this game, just to get cheap laughs and ruin the experience for others.

 

Call it cheating if you like, I don't care.  I was merely defending myself, without harming or attacking others.

You aren’t defending yourself, because you aren’t in any kind of combat situation once you have cheated to remove the enemy. Your character as seen in your profile pic might want to remove those military clothes and helmet, you don’t need them.

[White Shark]

12 minutes ago, Big Molio said:

You aren’t defending yourself, because you aren’t in any kind of combat situation once you have cheated to remove the enemy. Your character as seen in your profile pic might want to remove those military clothes and helmet, you don’t need them.

?  Well it is defense, because I've prevented myself from being trolled.  Alright - protect myself then, if we're gonna get hung up on word definitions.

 

I need the military uniforms for NPCs PvEing and to make griefers cry their salty tears by denying them their trolly kills whilst looking cool at the same time.  

 

BTW, great impression of a salty griefer who has been denied his noob kill 

[Black-Dragon96]

2 hours ago, fw3 said:

Two players are camping, waiting for their victim to come by.

The intended victim manipulates the network admin protocols to literally knock players out of the game, so he doesn't have to fight them.

Yeah, that's not cheating much.

/sigh.

He did not knock them out, he knocked himself out of the game.

They stayed in their lobby and were able to keep on playing while he "vanished". The same thing would have happned if he would have simply logged off.

 

2 hours ago, Big Molio said:

Deliberately manipulating the game hardware, code or network connection to contrive unhindered access to a scoring scenario by removing competitive players from the game altogether is absolutely not as intended, and is 100% cheating at the game.

They stoped being competetiv the second they started camping. They were not there for a fight, they were there for an easy kill.

Also: Not sure where you see a scoring scenario there.

 

2 hours ago, Big Molio said:

And you are wrong, "Did he give himself an advantage?" Er, yeah I should say that he absolutely did. If you remove your opponents from the field, in any competitive environment, you have an advantage.

So over who did he gain an advantage? As far as I know the very concept of solo public means there is nobody there but you.

 

 

Edit: 

You didnt answer my question. What else should he have done?

Edited December 30, 2018 by Black-Dragon96

[HamwithCheese]

f*ck man, if two dudes are gonna be assholes trying to ruin MY fun for kicks, am I supposed to just go along with it? No I'm gonna ruin their fun by not letting them have fun in the first place.

 

No you're right lemme stroll into the jewelry store, get killed, get spawn killed, then have the diamonds get blown up, my car blown up, then continue to get killed by dudes wiggle snipinging, rpg spam, "Lzzzz nob" then leave the game because I'm having too much fun.

[Numot15]

1 hour ago, White Shark said:

Lol, I don't have to defend my anti-griefer tactics, when griefers use the most utter scumbag techniques in this game, just to get cheap laughs and ruin the experience for others.

 

Call it cheating if you like, I don't care.  I was merely defending myself, without harming or attacking others.

Bro, its cheating. It's you admitting you suck and don't have a pair.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but we can't start those missions in a solo public lobby. Meaning you are cheating the system for an easy 60k that you are required to earn through a pvp situation. You're probably the same type of pussy that would pull this same cheat after someone killed you fair and went to deliver it themselves.

 

And for you idiots defending this cheating piece of sh*t with "what was he supposed to do?" Well I don't know about you but I call in my MK2 to counter theirs and show them "how to use it properly" after dispatching them simply garb the goods as they respawn and fly out, problem solved.

 

I do not enjoy my MK2, it honestly takes the fun out of it, I find my new arena wars cars much more enjoyable but sometimes you just need to call in the MK2, and in this current day and age in gtao you need an MK2 to ward off other MK2s, and to be honest have found most hostile MK2s don't want to "play" anymore once I call mine in.

[Hécate-II]

34 minutes ago, Numot15 said:

Bro, its cheating. It's you admitting you suck and don't have a pair.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but we can't start those missions in a solo public lobby.

 

You're f*cking wrong. Client jobs(whats he's talking about) are available in IO, as most VIP jobs and Biker contracts. 

Edited December 30, 2018 by Hécate-II

[fatdog]

Cheating or not, these mk2 losers didn't deserve clean approach.

Edited December 30, 2018 by fatdog

[Arrows to Athens]

This thread is still going?...

[Big Molio]

1 hour ago, White Shark said:

BTW, great impression of a salty griefer who has been denied his noob kill 

I don’t grief. I don’t mind taking griefers on though. So what if I lose a shipment or a briefcase or whatever, it’s only a game at the end of the day, there’s plenty more. I’d rather have some form of game than sh*t myself and pull the f*cking cable out of the XBOX. What’s all that about man? Lol

[risefox]

Savage,Jet,Oppressor,Kuruma

[Big Molio]

1 hour ago, Black-Dragon96 said:

They stoped being competetive the second they started camping. They were not there for a fight, they were there for an easy kill.

Also: Not sure where you see a scoring scenario there.

 

So over who did he gain an advantage? As far as I know the very concept of solo public means there is nobody there but you.

 

 

Edit: 

You didnt answer my question. What else should he have done?

The advantage being gained is circumventing the competitive multiplayer element inherent to the freemode game modes by way of deliberately frigging the network connection.

 

As said, if a player has to remove opponents to progress, the advantage to him is obvious, you are just reverting to type with the usual obtuse responses.

 

What should he have done? Take them on or take his licks and admit that a lack of awareness caught him out. Some of you just think that cheating is legit play though, and all power to you. It would just be nice if you weren’t in such denial about it.

 

 

 

 

Edited December 30, 2018 by Big Molio

[Big Molio]

5 hours ago, White Shark said:

They were griefers who were only interested in denying me the diamonds.  Usually I play in a solo lobby as it is, so it would have made zero difference either way, as I would have made that 60k regardless.  This was just a delayed reaction, depending on if those in the session were douchebags, which they were hence instant NAT Test to help rid my session of trolls I see it more as an anti-griefer system rather than a cheat.

So other players wanting to steal your diamonds are griefers and trolls? Mmkay

 

Because to my mind, that’s the whole f*cking point. 

 

I had a guy on an Op2 earlier trying to move gold in one of the freemode missions, and he put himself into ghost thinking he would go off the radar whilst he happily flew the gold to its drop off. He didn’t go off radar though, as it doesn’t work, so I went off radar and ambushed him, stealing his gold. 

 

I got all the usual bollocks over the messenger, “Griefing trash. Fuk U. Ghost Org Lololol” Then he quit in temper.

 

Okay for him to use Ghost but not me. This is the mentality of most players in this game.

Edited December 30, 2018 by Big Molio

[please stop me]

The old excuse "the game told me to do it" always pisses me lol these guys are just opportunists or bored gta players which can exist in any session whatsoever.

The good thing is, you can spot a sh*tty session by scanning the map and observing what vehicles are out and what people are doing. If I see any offensive weaponized vehicles that are known griefer tools, I change session. If I see a lot of killing going on, I change session. 

Usually, low pop and busy player sessions like crates on the map and constant alerts about players doing business is a good sign you're in a good session to grind in.

 

 

 

[duskpanthers]

I think it is fair game fighting against VIP or MC mission. But destroying business goods such as bunker, nightclub, MC etc is just pure griefing, as it really takes a lot of time to accumulate the goods and the reward destroying them isn't high. 

 

Whereas for mission such as executive search, I ALWAYS hope players come for me. It is so much fun like slasher in free roam. 

 

Anyway for OP, this is the nature of online game, you have players with different objectives playing together. If you expect every player to play nice, you should go for Sims 4. Then again, if Sims 4 allows killing, I am sure there will be griefers there too. 

Edited December 30, 2018 by duskpanthers

[Lonely-Martin]

2 hours ago, Numot15 said:

Correct me if I'm wrong but we can't start those missions in a solo public lobby. Meaning you are cheating the system for an easy 60k that you are required to earn through a pvp situation.

Yeah, Terrorbyte missions, along with VIP work and MC contracts are all available in any session dude. Solo, invite, crew, or public (alone or among others).

 

The PvP is optional with all these missions, always has been.

[White Shark]

6 hours ago, Big Molio said:

I don’t grief. I don’t mind taking griefers on though. So what if I lose a shipment or a briefcase or whatever, it’s only a game at the end of the day, there’s plenty more. I’d rather have some form of game than sh*t myself and pull the f*cking cable out of the XBOX. What’s all that about man? Lol

Didn't sh*t myself at all. I was perfectly calm the whole time as I knew I was going to get those diamonds regardless.

 

The reason why you're so mad is because people like me deny you your easy griefer kills. Sorry, I don't play into the hands of such people. It's good to know my tactic acts as a real counter-troll

 

It's telling you have such an issue with me when in this game, griefers use dickhead tactics, to attack and kill harmless gamers, such as:

 

Passive popping

EWO on repeat

MKII trolling with MC insta-spawn

Orbital Cannon glitch

Off radar trolling

Jet spamming

 

And so on. Sorry if it upsets you, but in a game infested with griefers, I'll use any tactic I can to fight back and protect my supplies. 

 

Yesterday I had an MKII griefer attack me and my fellow teammates for NO reason. Weren't on mission, supplies, anything. He just did it to be a tool. So I got my jetpack and blew him up. Then when he gave chase in his respawed MKII, his missiles couldn't hit me cos of the jetpack's forward flight speed that never allows the missiles to hit. As soon as he ran out of missiles, and I turned on him, he left the session.

 

Griefers and trolls absolutely hate it when their plans to ruin your game doesn't work out. Diddums.

 

Have a nice day

 

[Black-Dragon96]

7 hours ago, Big Molio said:

The advantage being gained is circumventing the competitive multiplayer element inherent to the freemode game modes by way of deliberately frigging the network connection.[...]

 

[...] What should he have done? Take them on or take his licks and admit that a lack of awareness caught him out. Some of you just think that cheating is legit play though, and all power to you. It would just be nice if you weren’t in such denial about it.

The terrorbyte mission can be started in any Lobbytype including invite only. So, Im not really sure what "competetiv multiplayer element" he circumvented since the game, by design, does not require such a thing for these missions.

All in all, going by your logic he would have also cheated if he would have turned his console of and made himself a sandwich.

 

 

No sure if you ever played the mission yourself. It is quite litterally impossible to shoot out of the vangelico shop. All the opressor rider needs to do is to wait until you are in a 5 meter radius of the door and shoot a missile at the door. The guy inside the shop will not be able to get a line of sight.

Saying that he lacks awareness when he had not even entered the shop yet and was fully aware of the two f*cks camping at the shops door is beyond ridiculous.

[Black-Dragon96]

8 hours ago, Numot15 said:

Bro, its cheating. It's you admitting you suck and don't have a pair.

Standart griefer response.

People needing to camp a mission objective and need people who need an mk2 to get anything done are the ones who suck pal.

 

8 hours ago, Numot15 said:

And for you idiots defending this cheating piece of sh*t with "what was he supposed to do?" Well I don't know about you but I call in my MK2 to counter theirs and show them "how to use it properly" after dispatching them simply garb the goods as they respawn and fly out, problem solved.

So what if he does not own an mk2?

Even if he does, even if he would have managed to kill them both (or made both if them ewo since thats what many griefers do these days), by the time he would have went into the shop, killed all npc's and piccked up the diamonds, the two guys would have respawned, called new mk2's and would be sitting outside the shop again.

[Big Molio]

54 minutes ago, Black-Dragon96 said:

The terrorbyte mission can be started in any Lobbytype including invite only. So, Im not really sure what "competetiv multiplayer element" he circumvented since the game, by design, does not require such a thing for these missions.

All in all, going by your logic he would have also cheated if he would have turned his console of and made himself a sandwich.

 

 

No sure if you ever played the mission yourself. It is quite litterally impossible to shoot out of the vangelico shop. All the opressor rider needs to do is to wait until you are in a 5 meter radius of the door and shoot a missile at the door. The guy inside the shop will not be able to get a line of sight.

Saying that he lacks awareness when he had not even entered the shop yet and was fully aware of the two f*cks camping at the shops door is beyond ridiculous.

Deliberately frigging the network connection to the internet so as to artificially create an empty lobby thus removing opponents is cheating the game mate, no matter what you argue.

 

So if he hadn't entered the shop then and there were two players camping there, he can take them on. Your point about not being able to shoot from inside the shop then is irrelevant. If he thinks they are going to respawn, then the mission should be abandoned because it can't be accomplished.

 

Look, I don't care that you cheat, it's your game so play it as you will. It's just amusing equally that you can't acknowledge it is a cheat.

 

Edited December 30, 2018 by Big Molio

[HamwithCheese]

Can't believe you guys are arguing about, what is it? 60k? Oooo he cheated the game out of 60k wow.

[Black-Dragon96]

1 hour ago, Big Molio said:

1. Deliberately frigging the network connection to the internet so as to artificially create an empty lobby thus removing opponents is cheating the game mate, no matter what you argue.

 

2. So if he hadn't entered the shop then and there were two players camping there, he can take them on. Your point about not being able to shoot from inside the shop then is irrelevant. If he thinks they are going to respawn, then the mission should be abandoned because it can't be accomplished.

 

3. Look, I don't care that you cheat, it's your game so play it as you will. It's just amusing equally that you can't acknowledge it is a cheat.

 

1. If it does not require opponents to begin with removing said opponents is not cheating. Otherwise starting these missions in invite only would be cheating aswell.

 

2. So my point of him being unable to shoot out of the shop is irrelevant.

Why exactly?

You said he should take them on, but when I say "thats impossible", it suddenly is irrelevant.

 

3. So he should simply abondon the mission, making him unable to do anything for the next 20 min and everyone else unable to start a vip job for the same amount of time.

What exact diffrence does it make for the two guys waiting outside the shop? They are not getting anything when he laggs out and they do not get anything when he does not trigger the mission.

Going by your logic, this would also be considered cheating since he "removes the competetiv element" by not allowing them to take part in this freemode mission.

Edited December 30, 2018 by Black-Dragon96

[White Shark]

10 hours ago, Numot15 said:

Bro, its cheating. It's you admitting you suck and don't have a pair.

 

Lol you are really mad.  Unlike you, I don't need to use a computer game to justify I have a pair, thank you.

 

Enjoy your griefing, pal.  I'll enjoy solo lobbies so I can make money in peace.

 

2 hours ago, Black-Dragon96 said:

All in all, going by your logic he would have also cheated if he would have turned his console of and made himself a sandwich.

This genuinely made me laugh out loud 

Edited December 30, 2018 by White Shark

[Big Molio]

22 minutes ago, White Shark said:

This genuinely made me laugh out loud 

Same, because it is typical of Black Dragon's oft mixed up logic and obfuscation.

 

38 minutes ago, Black-Dragon96 said:

 

1. If it does not require opponents to begin with removing said opponents is not cheating. Otherwise starting these missions in invite only would be cheating aswell.

 

2. So my point of him being unable to shoot out of the shop is irrelevant.

Why exactly?

You said he should take them on, but when I say "thats impossible", it suddenly is irrelevant.

 

3. So he should simply abondon the mission, making him unable to do anything for the next 20 min and everyone else unable to start a vip job for the same amount of time.

What exact diffrence does it make for the two guys waiting outside the shop? They are not getting anything when he laggs out and they do not get anything when he does not trigger the mission.

Going by your logic, this would also be considered cheating since he "removes the competetiv element" by not allowing them to take part in this freemode mission.

1. If opponents are in-game, and there is deliberate manipulation of the hardware or internet connection to remove them (or yourself, whichever pedantic version you wish to hold to) it's f*cking cheating. All this dancing around to try and justify it is pointless.

3. What the heck are you blathering on about?

Edited December 30, 2018 by Big Molio

[bombkangaroo]

OP has 1 post to his name, and hasn't replied in several days while you're all arguing the semantics of what constitutes cheating in a game that's rigged against you from the outset. . 

 

Y'all crackers posting in a troll thread. 

[White Shark]

5 minutes ago, bombkangaroo said:

OP has 1 post to his name, and hasn't replied in several days while you're all arguing the semantics of what constitutes cheating in a game that's rigged against you from the outset. . 

 

Y'all crackers posting in a troll thread. 

Why bring race into the argument?  That's just throwing petrol onto a fire.

[Big Molio]

1 minute ago, White Shark said:

Why bring race into the argument?  That's just throwing petrol onto a fire.

Crackers = nuts / crazy / bonkers / mad etc in some parts of the world. Not racist at all.

[White Shark]

1 minute ago, Big Molio said:

Crackers = nuts / crazy / bonkers / mad etc in some parts of the world. Not racist at all.

If that's the case, then apologies, my mistake.

 

Regardless, to settle this argument re cheating:  Fine, I cheated to secure my diamonds and prevented TWO MKII trolls from taking it, just for the purposes of denying me them and griefing me.  I stand by my tactic to prevent griefers getting their own way, considering they have a multitude of ways they can relentlessly grief other players.

[HamwithCheese]

16 minutes ago, bombkangaroo said:

Y'all crackers posting in a troll thread

I wouldn't say its a troll thread. But the dude definitely already forgot about it and has probably already deleted the game. 

[Big Molio]

22 minutes ago, White Shark said:

If that's the case, then apologies, my mistake.

 

Regardless, to settle this argument re cheating:  Fine, I cheated to secure my diamonds and prevented TWO MKII trolls from taking it, just for the purposes of denying me them and griefing me.  I stand by my tactic to prevent griefers getting their own way, considering they have a multitude of ways they can relentlessly grief other players.

Question: Do you consider losing any of those type of missions to other players as them griefing or is it just because they were camping at the diamond collection spot?

 

The reason I ask is that I am seeing this more and more with players in freemode who simply will not accept that Business Battles, CEO and MC missions etc are likely to be fought over, and the messages I get sent, and the amount of times I get kicked is pretty much testament to the fact that many players see any form of engagement as them being "griefed"

 

If I see an Import / Export car coming my way for example I'll wait along the (guessed at) route to the delivery spot and try and steal it. But I don't see that as griefing, unlike some.

Edited December 30, 2018 by Big Molio

[SpatchCock]

23 minutes ago, bombkangaroo said:

OP has 1 post to his name, and hasn't replied in several days while you're all arguing the semantics of what constitutes cheating in a game that's rigged against you from the outset. . 

 

Y'all crackers posting in a troll thread. 

Thank you, finally someone with some common sense.