John shoulda found himself a different woman

[Drake713]

Who else thinks so?

[Guest Guest176525326]

nah, they are good together imo. All women nag anyways

[Drake713]

Just now, O.Z said:

nah, they are good together imo. All women nag anyways

There is nagging and then there is stealing your kid away until you build a palace for her >.>

 

I swear, if that woman was getting raped and you saved her, she'd berate you for "acting like a big man"

[Grotti Vigilante]

Absolutely not! I loved every scene with John and Abigail together, they're perhaps my favourite Rockstar couple (and I ain't in to romance). Yes, she took Jack away until he built a place for her, but what would you do if you suspected your husband was being dragged back into his old life of gunslinging and such that would threaten your own son who actually had a chance to live a life that wasn't all about being an outlaw? Arthur, in the honourable ending, died fighting so John could have a family and live a normal life, and since he seemed to struggle getting out of it at some points, she had every right to be concerned. Abigail stuck by John till the end though, and John changed his life for her and his son. They're about as good a match as you can get when you lived a life in a gang of outlaws.

[Dbzk1999]

1 hour ago, Drake713 said:

There is nagging and then there is stealing your kid away until you build a palace for her >.>

 

I swear, if that woman was getting raped and you saved her, she'd berate you for "acting like a big man"

That’s kinda what happens when you keep screwing up as badly as John was doing 

[Cutter De Blanc]

If anything Abigail shoulda found herself a man who wasn't as dumb as rocks

[nubcaker]

John was a real piece of sh*t for the longest time and he should be glad Abigail stayed with him so long as she did. Of course, after he became a changed man, he truly appreciated her wife, as shown in the epilogues.

[oCrapaCreeper]

9 hours ago, Cutter De Blanc said:

If anything Abigail shoulda found herself a man who wasn't as dumb as rocks

"WHAT CHOICE DID I HAVE?"

Edited December 27, 2018 by oCrapaCreeper

[TheSantader25]

Abigail is so whiny. A woman should stand beside her husband and share the work together. I hate women who just marry you and wait for you to give them all you have and they do nothing but sit there and whine and do their make up. Put some work in FFS. 

[Cutter De Blanc]

What was up with John siding with Sadie over his wife/fiancee at the end. She shoulda left him then and there. Yo John you wanna go f*ckin impress this crazy blonde bitch thats your thing and more power to you but man what a bad husband/father

[Drake713]

If I was John lets see...

I've indentured myself to the bank...

I've built a god damned PALACE out of nothing...

I've turned rocks into a working ranch...

 

I'm a success all on my own now. Do I...

A) Beg a woman who left me to come back

B) Entertain new prospects

 

I'd go with B; he's a bachelor with EVERYTHING going for him, the ladies would be fighting each other for his attention

 

PS. You moderators are a$$holes

Edited December 27, 2018 by Drake713

[roe]

Nah, leave my Abigail alone

[Shadowfennekin]

If anything this game made me care more about Abigal. In the first one all she did was whine and bitch at John, making her rather annoying. They expanded on her character and made her more than that, likeable too

 

 

[Dbzk1999]

5 hours ago, TheSantader25 said:

Abigail is so whiny. A woman should stand beside her husband and share the work together. I hate women who just marry you and wait for you to give them all you have and they do nothing but sit there and whine and do their make up. Put some work in FFS. 

Two things

 

1) A woman shouldn’t have to stand beside her husband when said husband is constantly screwing up after promising to change. Hell, the reason they were going to Strawberry in the first place was cause John shot a man for “looking at him funny” (and from what’s implied, it wasn’t the first time he’d screwed up like that)

 

2)  She DID put work in, she started working with the clinic of Strawberry from what I remember at least until John got the job with Mr. Geddes

[Drake713]

43 minutes ago, Dbzk1999 said:

Two things

 

1) A woman shouldn’t have to stand beside her husband when said husband is constantly screwing up after promising to change. Hell, the reason they were going to Strawberry in the first place was cause John shot a man for “looking at him funny” (and from what’s implied, it wasn’t the first time he’d screwed up like that)

 

2)  She DID put work in, she started working with the clinic of Strawberry from what I remember at least until John got the job with Mr. Geddes

1) John said that guy was trying to rob them, Abigale seems to want John to let ppl rob him, beat him up, etc

2) She put nothing into the ranch

[Grotti Vigilante]

14 minutes ago, Drake713 said:

2) She put nothing into the ranch

She did the cooking and the cleaning in both games. I hope you weren't expecting her to do things like help build the house and do all the manual work, because a woman in the early 1900s was very unlikely to do that sort of stuff. Even today it's mostly the men who do all the building, so there's really not much you can expect Abigail to do aside from making family dinner every night, which in itself is an important aspect unless you don't mind them starving to death.

[Drake713]

5 minutes ago, Grotti Vigilante said:

She did the cooking and the cleaning in both games. I hope you weren't expecting her to do things like help build the house and do all the manual work, because a woman in the early 1900s was very unlikely to do that sort of stuff. Even today it's mostly the men who do all the building, so there's really not much you can expect Abigail to do aside from making family dinner every night, which in itself is an important aspect unless you don't mind them starving to death.

Even after she showed up the floors were disgustingly dirty

But that goes back to the original point; John had to build a palace for her to come back. A palace that he could have had his pick of woman to come live in

Edited December 27, 2018 by Drake713

[Grotti Vigilante]

1 minute ago, Drake713 said:

Even after she showed up the floors were disgustingly dirty, but that goes back to the original point; John had to build a palace for her to come back

Well strictly speaking he didn't HAVE to. He CHOSE to. He used it as leverage when asking her to come back since it was something he knew she liked. He could've very well just chosen to say "screw it, bachelor for life" and be done with it. After eight years leaving his gang and still getting into fights I'm surprised either of them stuck together, but they did.

[Drake713]

47 minutes ago, Grotti Vigilante said:

Well strictly speaking he didn't HAVE to. He CHOSE to. He used it as leverage when asking her to come back since it was something he knew she liked. He could've very well just chosen to say "screw it, bachelor for life" and be done with it. After eight years leaving his gang and still getting into fights I'm surprised either of them stuck together, but they did.

This:

10 hours ago, oCrapaCreeper said:

"WHAT CHOICE DID I HAVE?"

 

[Grotti Vigilante]

20 minutes ago, Drake713 said:

This:

 

What exactly are you trying to say with that quoted phrase? That John didn't have a choice? I'm a bit confused by the context.

[~INDIO~]

Marston in his 20's wasn't the best father so the nagging was justified, but in 1907 he's in his mid 30's and noticeably putting in more of an effort for their family. She whines even more at him. Typical woman I suppose haha

[nubcaker]

Man what's up with the casual misogyny in this thread? I'm outta here.

[~INDIO~]

1 hour ago, nubcaker said:

Man what's up with the casual misogyny in this thread? I'm outta here.

It's called a joke. Don't be so sensitive

[Drake713]

2 hours ago, Grotti Vigilante said:

What exactly are you trying to say with that quoted phrase? That John didn't have a choice? I'm a bit confused by the context.

Lets go over all the times Abigale's been mad at him and you tell me what he should have done

1) Shot an unnamed man that John says was robbing them

2) Strong armed the men trying to steal his wagon

3) Beat up some thugs threatening Abel

4) Defended himself against men threatening him and the boy

5) Got the ranch's cattle back after they killed people and burned the place, at his employer's insistence no less

[Implicitly]

Wasn't Bonnie suppose to be his "dream girl" or that's what people say that is. Either way, Abigail is perfect for him she puts up with a bunch of his s***.

5 hours ago, Shadowfennekin said:

If anything this game made me care more about Abigal. In the first one all she did was whine and bitch at John, making her rather annoying. They expanded on her character and made her more than that, likeable too

 

 

Yeah they did a really good job with Abigail and her backstory, I didn't expect them to do such a good job but they really did. Use to hate her when I played RD1.

[Grotti Vigilante]

41 minutes ago, Drake713 said:

Lets go over all the times Abigale's been mad at him and you tell me what he should have done

1) Shot an unnamed man that John says was robbing them

2) Strong armed the men trying to steal his wagon

3) Beat up some thugs threatening Abel

4) Defended himself against men threatening him and the boy

5) Got the ranch's cattle back after they killed people and burned the place, at his employer's insistence no less

I'll admit that it's hard to argue with most of them points. I can't say I wouldn't have done most of what he did in that situation. My only other explanation left is that Abigail was so worried about him slipping back into his old lifestyle that any sign of violence was suddenly a return to old habits. To an extent I can see why that would be concerning. It always usually starts off with one little action until suddenly everything spirals out of control. Ultimately though, even though I concede on some of the points, I still think Abigail had every right to have been worried about her husband's actions, even if they are totally justified. Even so, John could've easily let Abigail run free with Jack and be done with her nagging, but he changed things around for her because he wanted to, not because she forced him to. 

[Drake713]

That's why I said:

On 12/26/2018 at 9:51 AM, Drake713 said:

There is nagging and then there is stealing your kid away until you build a palace for her >.>

 

I swear, if that woman was getting raped and you saved her, she'd berate you for "acting like a big man"

There is "being concerned" and then there is stealing your son away, there are lines you should never cross and she did

 

Now, I'll concede that John is not a very... bright individual, if anything I'd blame that for his "choice"

[Ehrmantraut]

Incredible how some people can only see the bad things in women. Only thing she wanted was her husband safe, living a decent life, with a decent job, and she still is the villain? Lol

[Drake713]

 

42 minutes ago, Mafia Assassin® said:

Incredible how some people can only see the bad things in women. Only thing she wanted was her husband safe, living a decent life, with a decent job, and she still is the villain? Lol

So you'd have no problem with a woman taking your child away from you for an indeterminate amount of time, with no promise of ever bringing him back?

Edited December 27, 2018 by Drake713

[Tonesta]

2 minutes ago, Drake713 said:

 

So you'd have no problem with a woman taking your child away from you for an indeterminate amount of time, with no promise of ever bringing him back?

It's no worse than abandoning your child for over a year - as John did prior to the events of RDR2.

 

Having forgiven him for that, and taken him back - and then watched their dearest friend sacrifice himself so that their family could escape the gang life for a normal existence - it's not entirely unreasonable for Abigail to want John to calm down and jump through some hoops for his family. Hoops which, in the end, he seems perfectly happy to jump through.