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Gold is a scam!

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HockeyMike24
1 minute ago, FreeMaxB585 said:

 

What they wanted to do was release the SP. And give people a lot of time to finish it. You have to keep in mind that the average gamer can only play a few hours a week or maybe a couple a day. They wanted to just have the SP for a good period of time so people can beat it before going online.

 

What you have to understand is majority of the workers were only working for the SP. And instead of making people wait 3-4 months they wanted to give the players some type of content in the mean time. And again what really must understand is the point of the beta. They didnt claim that when buying the game that the online mode would be fully ready on launch. Never once did they say that so why would you expect that? Now they have the full team only working online. The point of the beta is to make sure the servers work, polish it up and fix any glitches. Get some feedback on what fans like and dont like. etc. that type of thing. It would have been moronic to release the full online content right from the start without a beta run first. Cause then fans could cry at a # of things. But now they can make sure that everything is fixed, work on all the story missions and make sure they are actually good etc.

 

There is only so many workers who can work on the game. For the SP we got would have made it impossible to have all the online content ready so soon. But now they are all in. And again its better this way so they can polish things up and take in feedback

R* never said the online wouldn't be ready either. The point of my first post here was how vague and silent R* has been about their plans for this game and the online component. The reason I expected online to be ready is because the game was in development for a long time and R* normally releases their games fully completed. 

 

I don't know what you get for sticking up for this billion dollar company that has become increasingly greedier and richer over the years, but good luck with it.

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areyouchappin
1 hour ago, FreeMaxB585 said:

RD2 won all the awards that matter lol. And you do realize that in that game of the year it was votes by some game journalists? All the other countries in their awards of RD2. I dont think god of war 4 is even close to game of the year.....How many people are playing it right now??? Probably none. People played it for 3 days and beat it, and never touched it again. RD2 by time get to half way in chapter 3 you would ave more hours than GOW4. No co op, not much content. And even 3 months from now....how many people will be playing it. Most likely none. I am pissed I spent 60$ on it. Was it fun and good? YES. But for 60$??? f*ck that 60$ for a game thats done in about 25-30 hours. Should have used game fly. Current day I dont think a game thats beaten in 25-30 hours is worth 60$, with little replay value. Loved the game but RD2 offers 10000x more. People will be playing this for a long time while gow4 will fizzle out as it has already

 

As usual, certain people on these forums just conveniently leave out specific things said or they put words in other people's mouths to enforce their opinions lol typical..

 

Just because YOU think something is amazing or terrible doesn't mean the rest of the planet agrees with you, dude. BUT since you want to argue the subject.... God of War won 3 awards, Best Game Direction, Best Action/Adventure and the ultimate award of GotY. RDR2 also won 3 awards(so obviously you are incorrect that RDR2 won more or the most important awards), Narrative, Soundtrack/Audio Design and Best Performance by actor Roger Clark but the only award that matters, as always, is the GotY that is all..

 

Your argument also didn't help your point at all... God of War's small single player is the only thing that defeated RDR2's 60+ hour single player and it's broken Online for the GotY award... Maybe if R* launched a more successful Online that wasn't littered with broken mechanics and bugs maybe it would have gotten more votes to get the GotY, ever think about that? of course not because it doesn't help enforce your opinions..

 

God Of War was voted on by gamer journalists AND a combination of gamer votes from twitter and the official website days before. God of War is purely on PS4, which means RDR2 had two platforms, PS4 and Xbox, to try and achieve GotY with gamers AND journalists from each side and STILL FAILED against GoW which is an exclusive game that is only playable on one console, has no replay value and it doesn't even have an Online mode. God of War had an amazing storyline, great character building, and I loved every fking second of it. They somehow managed to take the indestructible Kratos and make him almost a normal man again... you may not have liked the game for whatever reason... but apparently majority of gamers loved it more than RDR2 lol I primarily play on an Xbox One X too so I'm not a PlayStation fanboy either, I'm a video game fan in general. That being said, I still think Red Dead 2 should have won GotY, but you'll conveniently forget that I said this too, so you can keep trying to force your opinion down everyone's throat...

 

 

1 hour ago, FreeMaxB585 said:

What they wanted to do was release the SP. And give people a lot of time to finish it. You have to keep in mind that the average gamer can only play a few hours a week or maybe a couple a day. They wanted to just have the SP for a good period of time so people can beat it before going online.

 

What you have to understand is majority of the workers were only working for the SP. And instead of making people wait 3-4 months they wanted to give the players some type of content in the mean time. And again what really must understand is the point of the beta. They didnt claim that when buying the game that the online mode would be fully ready on launch. Never once did they say that so why would you expect that? Now they have the full team only working online. The point of the beta is to make sure the servers work, polish it up and fix any glitches. Get some feedback on what fans like and dont like. etc. that type of thing. It would have been moronic to release the full online content right from the start without a beta run first. Cause then fans could cry at a # of things. But now they can make sure that everything is fixed, work on all the story missions and make sure they are actually good etc.

 

There is only so many workers who can work on the game. For the SP we got would have made it impossible to have all the online content ready so soon. But now they are all in. And again its better this way so they can polish things up and take in feedback

 

Oh, and unless you work for R* stop trying to explain to us what R*'s plan is, stop trying to explain that you know everything about whats going on, because you don't.. no one has a clue what R* is going to do... we all had a vague idea of what they were doing in the beginning and then the moment they prioritized gold bars over fixing bugs and glitches, it became clear we would never know what their plans could possibly be.. so stop trying to pretend like you know what's going on behind the walls at R* Games when no one can possibly know what they are planning at this point.

 

 

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And again with the gold. who cares??? It will stay level locked. All the best stuff you can get with just the money, same for the horses, who cares if some cosmetic things are locked? It doesn't ruin the experience for anyone. Again its not like with gold you can get some ak 47 one body shot kill type of gun. It effects nothing

Now back on-topic to the Gold Bars, Gold Bars do not give you an advantage, NO ONE is saying that Gold Bars make you some sort of unstoppable God-mode beast, so stop trying to say that we are saying this lol... What we are saying, is Gold Bars are a scam because you actually don't need to buy them AND Gold Bars going to become the primary source of DLC just like GTA:Online's Shark Cards.. The more we keep spending money on micro-transactions, the more companies are going to force players to use them to get the extra stuff. Whether that extra stuff is clothing, a skin or a new gun is BESIDE THE POINT, the point is R* can force players to pay for extra things because dumbasses keep giving them money so R* thinks it's a great idea. At this rate, Red Dead: Online is going to become exactly like GTA:Online...  I'd rather pay $20-30 for a normal old school DLC that adds a bunch of new content that isn't fueled by micro-transactions..

 

Also, we have the power as gamers to voice our opinions, if we stand together and say "hey, we aren't paying for micro-transactions anymore," then they would most certainly go away or become more limited.. Gamers voiced their opinions about Fallout 76 and that game's sales became terrible, it dropped price in less than a week after launching. The new Battlefield, same thing happened, Gamers spoke their opinions and the game didn't change so it took a heavy hit and dropped it's price days after launch. We have the power to change things, but it's people like you who say "oh they should be allowed to rob us even further with whatever money schemes they want!" Then you expect everyone else to blindly follow you straight off the cliff lol

 

You may have drank the GoldBar/SharkCard flavored Koolaid, but a lot of us gamers refuse to.

 

 

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Red Lynx 23

I noticed the same "lead to the store to buy with gold" prompt with the special saddles, as they had with Horses. Will the saddles suddenly be level locked if you use real money to buy gold?

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I feel like the actual topic of this thread has kind of gotten lost, so for the sake of actually bringing things back on topic, this is not about whether microtransactions are inherently good or bad (even if it was, it isn't that simple). This thread is about a UI error in the stables special saddles menu that is giving lower level players that don't have a lot of gold the false impression that certain saddles can be bought early with gold, and then when they follow through on the "buy now" option incorrectly showing for the saddle the game sends them straight to the in game store, once they have bought the gold the "buy now" option disappears from the saddle and it starts displaying correctly again. This issue is causing players to spend real money on items that they can't even purchase early with gold anyways.

 

Still trying to get through to support about the saddles displaying the "buy now" option, this time they asked for a video and I decided to humor them and include one.

 

4 minutes ago, Red Lynx 23 said:

I noticed the same "lead to the store to buy with gold" prompt with the special saddles, as they had with Horses. Will the saddles suddenly be level locked if you use real money to buy gold?

Yes, once you have the required gold amount, whether bought or earned in game, the saddles go back to properly displaying their level locks not being skippable with gold. This is an issue that should have been fixed well before the store launched. 

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Red Lynx 23
22 minutes ago, TiberiusMcQueen said:

Still trying to get through to support about the saddles displaying the "buy now" option, this time they asked for a video and I decided to humor them and include one.

 

Yes, once you have the required gold amount, whether bought or earned in game, the saddles go back to properly displaying their level locks not being skippable with gold. This is an issue that should have been fixed well before the store launched. 

I thought so. So I backed out of the menu while at a Stable.

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areyouchappin
33 minutes ago, TiberiusMcQueen said:

I feel like the actual topic of this thread has kind of gotten lost, so for the sake of actually bringing things back on topic, this is not about whether microtransactions are inherently good or bad (even if it was, it isn't that simple). This thread is about a UI error in the stables special saddles menu that is giving lower level players that don't have a lot of gold the false impression that certain saddles can be bought early with gold, and then when they follow through on the "buy now" option incorrectly showing for the saddle the game sends them straight to the in game store, once they have bought the gold the "buy now" option disappears from the saddle and it starts displaying correctly again. This issue is causing players to spend real money on items that they can't even purchase early with gold anyways.

 

Still trying to get through to support about the saddles displaying the "buy now" option, this time they asked for a video and I decided to humor them and include one.

 

Yes, once you have the required gold amount, whether bought or earned in game, the saddles go back to properly displaying their level locks not being skippable with gold. This is an issue that should have been fixed well before the store launched. 

 

Everything you said is absolutely true, but Gold Bars(micro-transactions) are a scam in general which is what I was originally posting about, it then became a "my opinion doesn't matter, unless it's the same opinion as someone else." If R* wasn't so concerned with releasing the Gold Store or micro-transactions in general, they wouldn't have ran into this problem so soon.. it's just really disheartening to see one of my favorite gaming companies result to money schemes when they do not need to do that. They could periodically release quality old school DLC and I would buy that sh*t, and if you didn't agree with the DLC you could simply not buy it. Instead, they basically force these Gold Bars/micro-transactions upon every player whether they pay for it or not, so now these low levels or players who don't know any better are tricked or schemed into spending money on gold bars when they truly do not need to do that in the first place, just simply play the game like everyone else to earn your gold.

 

Micro-transactions are essentially cheat codes for online mode, they allow you to pay some money to skip the hard work and this is becoming the normal in almost every aspect of life.. throw some money at it and your problems get easier, but if you don't have money or don't want to spend it, then you're forced to play the game as intended which automatically puts you behind someone who has unlocked everything because they spent real life money.. This is a terrible Online world design for gamers but a money making beast for the business..

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Gold bars aside, I think the online mode just isn't very good. If you're not really into crappy showdown modes that's pretty much the end for you. Fetch quest stranger missions and hunting can't really provide too many more hours.  ItS A bEtA! Holds no weight anymore with a micahtransactions store set up. Online just sucks compared to the single player, oh well.

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FreeMaxB585
10 hours ago, areyouchappin said:

 

As usual, certain people on these forums just conveniently leave out specific things said or they put words in other people's mouths to enforce their opinions lol typical..

 

Just because YOU think something is amazing or terrible doesn't mean the rest of the planet agrees with you, dude. BUT since you want to argue the subject.... God of War won 3 awards, Best Game Direction, Best Action/Adventure and the ultimate award of GotY. RDR2 also won 3 awards(so obviously you are incorrect that RDR2 won more or the most important awards), Narrative, Soundtrack/Audio Design and Best Performance by actor Roger Clark but the only award that matters, as always, is the GotY that is all..

 

Your argument also didn't help your point at all... God of War's small single player is the only thing that defeated RDR2's 60+ hour single player and it's broken Online for the GotY award... Maybe if R* launched a more successful Online that wasn't littered with broken mechanics and bugs maybe it would have gotten more votes to get the GotY, ever think about that? of course not because it doesn't help enforce your opinions..

 

God Of War was voted on by gamer journalists AND a combination of gamer votes from twitter and the official website days before. God of War is purely on PS4, which means RDR2 had two platforms, PS4 and Xbox, to try and achieve GotY with gamers AND journalists from each side and STILL FAILED against GoW which is an exclusive game that is only playable on one console, has no replay value and it doesn't even have an Online mode. God of War had an amazing storyline, great character building, and I loved every fking second of it. They somehow managed to take the indestructible Kratos and make him almost a normal man again... you may not have liked the game for whatever reason... but apparently majority of gamers loved it more than RDR2 lol I primarily play on an Xbox One X too so I'm not a PlayStation fanboy either, I'm a video game fan in general. That being said, I still think Red Dead 2 should have won GotY, but you'll conveniently forget that I said this too, so you can keep trying to force your opinion down everyone's throat...

 

 

 

Oh, and unless you work for R* stop trying to explain to us what R*'s plan is, stop trying to explain that you know everything about whats going on, because you don't.. no one has a clue what R* is going to do... we all had a vague idea of what they were doing in the beginning and then the moment they prioritized gold bars over fixing bugs and glitches, it became clear we would never know what their plans could possibly be.. so stop trying to pretend like you know what's going on behind the walls at R* Games when no one can possibly know what they are planning at this point.

 

 

Now back on-topic to the Gold Bars, Gold Bars do not give you an advantage, NO ONE is saying that Gold Bars make you some sort of unstoppable God-mode beast, so stop trying to say that we are saying this lol... What we are saying, is Gold Bars are a scam because you actually don't need to buy them AND Gold Bars going to become the primary source of DLC just like GTA:Online's Shark Cards.. The more we keep spending money on micro-transactions, the more companies are going to force players to use them to get the extra stuff. Whether that extra stuff is clothing, a skin or a new gun is BESIDE THE POINT, the point is R* can force players to pay for extra things because dumbasses keep giving them money so R* thinks it's a great idea. At this rate, Red Dead: Online is going to become exactly like GTA:Online...  I'd rather pay $20-30 for a normal old school DLC that adds a bunch of new content that isn't fueled by micro-transactions..

 

Also, we have the power as gamers to voice our opinions, if we stand together and say "hey, we aren't paying for micro-transactions anymore," then they would most certainly go away or become more limited.. Gamers voiced their opinions about Fallout 76 and that game's sales became terrible, it dropped price in less than a week after launching. The new Battlefield, same thing happened, Gamers spoke their opinions and the game didn't change so it took a heavy hit and dropped it's price days after launch. We have the power to change things, but it's people like you who say "oh they should be allowed to rob us even further with whatever money schemes they want!" Then you expect everyone else to blindly follow you straight off the cliff lol

 

You may have drank the GoldBar/SharkCard flavored Koolaid, but a lot of us gamers refuse to.

 

 

 

gow4 got a ton of votes from PC players. Many forums of PC gamers said so. Because people on what side would troll and say..HA PC MASTER RACE NO RD2. While PC players would say "Its overrated anyway!!!" so all PC players nearly all voted for RD2.

Also most people dont even vote. I have 10 friends who play and all were unaware of voting and the game awards, same goes for what majority on the reddit say. I bought and beat GOW4 and it is nowhere close to this game. I was done in 25 hours and never touched it again. To be goty it should have replay value, not be linear, maybe have some exploring. maybe have a couple choices that effect the game. a goty should have people playing it months after it was released. But just weeks after nearly nobody ever played it agaun

 

And so if you admit gold bars give no advantage then who the hell cares? Even more cosmetics more often than not you can get the stuff with money anyway. Not many items are gold only. If some people want to pay their own money and it doesnt affect the game nor you then why give a f*ck?

In my opinion if there was ever a game that deserved to charge micro transactions its this one. Offering an amazing super long SP. Having an online (which isnt even close to finished) with story missions with friends, tons of stranger content missions, death match modes etc), Again you are caring too much over sh*t that effects nobody

1 hour ago, scotthedge12 said:

Gold bars aside, I think the online mode just isn't very good. If you're not really into crappy showdown modes that's pretty much the end for you. Fetch quest stranger missions and hunting can't really provide too many more hours.  ItS A bEtA! Holds no weight anymore with a micahtransactions store set up. Online just sucks compared to the single player, oh well.

Disagree, my friends and I have had a good amount of fun on the stranger missions. The story ones were a blast and will be great once the rest are released tho. But the strangers you just have to go to the right ones. Some are boring but the ones like Flacco and sean are fun as hell

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1 hour ago, FreeMaxB585 said:

 

gow4 got a ton of votes from PC players. Many forums of PC gamers said so. Because people on what side would troll and say..HA PC MASTER RACE NO RD2. While PC players would say "Its overrated anyway!!!" so all PC players nearly all voted for RD2.

Also most people dont even vote. I have 10 friends who play and all were unaware of voting and the game awards, same goes for what majority on the reddit say. I bought and beat GOW4 and it is nowhere close to this game. I was done in 25 hours and never touched it again. To be goty it should have replay value, not be linear, maybe have some exploring. maybe have a couple choices that effect the game. a goty should have people playing it months after it was released. But just weeks after nearly nobody ever played it agaun

Once again, your opinion is not a fact. Just because you think RDR2 was better than GoW doesn't mean it actually won the Game of the Year lol so chill out dude. And once again, I also agree that RDR2 was a better game and it should have won GotY but it didn't..... And if people do not know how to vote then that is their problem because it's actually very simple. Also, you sound like you're just making up excuses for why RDR2 lost the award, God of War was amazing in it's own way, no matter how short the campaign is and you gotta give it respect because quality content isn't measured purely by how much replay value it has..

 

 

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And so if you admit gold bars give no advantage then who the hell cares? Even more cosmetics more often than not you can get the stuff with money anyway. Not many items are gold only. If some people want to pay their own money and it doesnt affect the game nor you then why give a f*ck?

And once again, I am only voicing my opinion that Gold Bars are a scam that players actually do not need them and if R* didn't worry about selling Gold Bars, they would have avoided this situation in the video, which is what this fking thread is about. I personally do not give a damn about Gold Bars because I earn them just fine, but I'm not going to ignore the fact that Gold Bars(and micro-transactions in general) are changing the design of Online Gaming into something that I don't like.

 

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39 minutes ago, FreeMaxB585 said:

And so if you admit gold bars give no advantage then who the hell cares? Even more cosmetics more often than not you can get the stuff with money anyway. Not many items are gold only. If some people want to pay their own money and it doesnt affect the game nor you then why give a f*ck?

In my opinion if there was ever a game that deserved to charge micro transactions its this one. Offering an amazing super long SP. Having an online (which isnt even close to finished) with story missions with friends, tons of stranger content missions, death match modes etc), Again you are caring too much over sh*t that effects nobody

Disagree, my friends and I have had a good amount of fun on the stranger missions. The story ones were a blast and will be great once the rest are released tho. But the strangers you just have to go to the right ones. Some are boring but the ones like Flacco and sean are fun as hell

 

Dude, no offence but I genuinely laughed when reading your posts...   

I dunno if you are delusional or just ignorant. You can't be more wrong than that, MTX effects EVERYBODY!!! Don't you see that games are purposely made to be grindy and repetitive just so you get bored of it and PAY to skip tedious no fun grind to actually have fun? Which kind of defeating the purpose of playing the game!!

 

Tell me, why can't we tame and keep/upgrade wild horses? Because than would nobody buy them for Gold Bars. (one of many examples of MTX BS)

No free aim/private servers, PvP modes are broken, you can't chose which mode you want to play, stranger missions are repetitive and 8 story missions? What a joke, but Gold bars work - that is the most important thing. I would also be happy with release of online when ready instead of this Beta MTX Christmas cash grab with no content, and don't give me that "with friends" argument cos every game is more fun with friends. Please go try and do anything in online alone... you will see how much fun it is...

 

RDR2 was R* product and we could see the quality but I believe RDO is now in hands TT and they will go for same greedy tactics as in NBA nad NFL.

AAA game studios these days are not trying to appeal to gamers, only to their share holders who expect constant increase of profit, which is unsustainable and in the long shot will probably ruin their games therefore themselves and I hope R* will see reason before that happens to them.

 

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TiberiusMcQueen

I'm done with Rockstar support after this, I tried so many times and so many ways to report the issue, explain it, and tell them that the issue is tricking players out of real money, but every time they respond in one of a few ways (actual quotes from their support):


 

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"I would like to inform you that some of the contents in the game are bound to some levels. First, you have to reach that level then only you will be able to purchase those contents.
If you have any other issue feel free to contact us."

 

"Thank you for writing us back. I understand your concern and I am thankful to you to report it to us here. I am happy to inform you that this issue is fixed. Hope this information is helpful. If you have any other issues or concerns, please feel free to let us know."

 

"Thank you for reporting the issue related to Special Saddles to us in RDO Beta. We have looked into the issue and found that Panther Trail Saddle is level locked and will be available once you reach the required level. "

 

"We understand that it was some sort of a technical glitch due to which the "Buy Now" option was active for level locked items too. However, we have recently pushed a patch that would make the "BuyNow" option grayed out for level locked items. We highly apologize for the inconvenience caused due to this. However, As you already know, Read Dead Online is still in Beta phase and we're trying to gather as much feedback as we can so that we could make things right for the full release."

 

 

All of those responses are pure BS, they either fail to understand what the issue is, or in the rare occurance that the person responding does understand, they just say the issue is fixed (even though it isn't), and act like there is no problem anymore, and trying to hide behind calling it a "beta".

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On 12/28/2018 at 2:15 AM, areyouchappin said:

Once again, your opinion is not a fact. Just because you think RDR2 was better than GoW doesn't mean it actually won the Game of the Year lol so chill out dude. And once again, I also agree that RDR2 was a better game and it should have won GotY but it didn't..... And if people do not know how to vote then that is their problem because it's actually very simple. Also, you sound like you're just making up excuses for why RDR2 lost the award, God of War was amazing in it's own way, no matter how short the campaign is and you gotta give it respect because quality content isn't measured purely by how much replay value it has..

 

 

And once again, I am only voicing my opinion that Gold Bars are a scam that players actually do not need them and if R* didn't worry about selling Gold Bars, they would have avoided this situation in the video, which is what this fking thread is about. I personally do not give a damn about Gold Bars because I earn them just fine, but I'm not going to ignore the fact that Gold Bars(and micro-transactions in general) are changing the design of Online Gaming into something that I don't like.

 

 

you dont even know what a scam means lol. a scam is something that you expect one thing and get tricked into something else or something that doesnt work

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2 hours ago, FreeMaxB585 said:

you dont even know what a scam means lol. a scam is something that you expect one thing and get tricked into something else or something that doesnt work

It kinda is a scam, or seems like it. The player thought they could purchase a horse that costed gold only. And was told by rockstar that spending gold would skip the level unlock. But it turned out, the player would need to reach that level. It was all misinformation.

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I'd give you my opinion but...

 

"That will require gold to purchase. Do you have some?"

 

Honestly though, let people do as they like with their money. But not informing them of an additional level restriction is pretty shocking.

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BUT THE BENZ
2 hours ago, TheBaronOfHell said:

"That will require gold to purchase. Do you have some?"

"you have to think on that so long?"

"I've seen you put an eye on that!"

On 12/27/2018 at 8:19 PM, areyouchappin said:

if we stand together and say

yeah...not gonna happen, ever

/sorry

/truth hurts

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SaturdayNight

I just really hate the fact that they made sure to get their gold store online FIRST!! Now everything they release next will likely be connected to it and built from it. 

I didnt want the goal to be money, cash was king in gtav. Not rdr2.

 

 

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areyouchappin
8 hours ago, BUT THE BENZ said:

yeah...not gonna happen, ever

 

No sh*t Sherlock, that's because there are a lot of gamers with a negative mentality or they are kids who don't care to spend their parent's money.

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HockeyMike24
7 hours ago, SaturdayNight said:

I just really hate the fact that they made sure to get their gold store online FIRST!! Now everything they release next will likely be connected to it and built from it. 

I didnt want the goal to be money, cash was king in gtav. Not rdr2.

 

 

Really shows you where their priorities are

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FreeMaxB585
18 hours ago, Ektope said:

It kinda is a scam, or seems like it. The player thought they could purchase a horse that costed gold only. And was told by rockstar that spending gold would skip the level unlock. But it turned out, the player would need to reach that level. It was all misinformation.

 

again not a scam lol wtf. the player can clearly see when they go to a store or stable that everything is level locked

4 hours ago, HockeyMike24 said:

Really shows you where their priorities are

 

oh wow shame on them for making some extra money on cosmetic things that you have to be leveled for!!! not like they didnt put out an amazing single player game can easily get hundreds of hours of content out of...the online is just extra gravy. can have tons of fun without needing to spend sh*t. story mission with friends, stranger mission with friends, show down games etc. it would be different if the good rifles were level 98 or for gold. I think with everything they have offered to us it is in there right to have cosmetic micro trnsactions. its not like we got a sh*t game like fallout 76 or battlefield, or a 25 hour game like gow4

 

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SaturdayNight
6 hours ago, FreeMaxB585 said:

 

again not a scam lol wtf. the player can clearly see when they go to a store or stable that everything is level locked

 

oh wow shame on them for making some extra money on cosmetic things that you have to be leveled for!!! not like they didnt put out an amazing single player game can easily get hundreds of hours of content out of...the online is just extra gravy. can have tons of fun without needing to spend sh*t. story mission with friends, stranger mission with friends, show down games etc. it would be different if the good rifles were level 98 or for gold. I think with everything they have offered to us it is in there right to have cosmetic micro trnsactions. its not like we got a sh*t game like fallout 76 or battlefield, or a 25 hour game like gow4

 

 

 

You use two of the worst games in comparison? You do know rockstar has pioneered the outcome of both of these titles right? Its the industry leaders that set trends financially and artistically. Ever since gtav open world games now have their own genre, used to be known as sandbox type games. Ever since tbogt and tlad for gta4 dlc went nuts and preorder content was born. Now that companies have seen the success of both gta online and microtransactions in mobile games they have tried to blend the two and while rockstar is the least in your face about it. The foundation of "We want your money" is still there. You might not care but look where gta online is now.  That sh*t is out of control and has been for years. 

 

I dont mind paying for service, but a game that only updates its means for financial gain over content is a no no and is headed quickly to disaster and artistic failure. 

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9 hours ago, FreeMaxB585 said:

 

again not a scam lol wtf. the player can clearly see when they go to a store or stable that everything is level locked

 

oh wow shame on them for making some extra money on cosmetic things that you have to be leveled for!!! not like they didnt put out an amazing single player game can easily get hundreds of hours of content out of...the online is just extra gravy. can have tons of fun without needing to spend sh*t. story mission with friends, stranger mission with friends, show down games etc. it would be different if the good rifles were level 98 or for gold. I think with everything they have offered to us it is in there right to have cosmetic micro trnsactions. its not like we got a sh*t game like fallout 76 or battlefield, or a 25 hour game like gow4

 

The player could see that weapons, clothing and horses were levelled locked. When gold was supposed to bypass the level unlock, what was the player supposed to think? "I can buy everything with gold. A new horse. New weapons. New clothes." *Buys 350.00 Gold from Store*. *Buys all weapons and high levelled clothes*. *Tries to buy horses with gold but couldn't*. You see? MISINFORMATION. Why do you think the horses couldn't be purchased with gold? The player was informed that EVERYTHING could be purchased and skipped with gold. Rockstar said nothing about not being able to purchase horses with gold, if haven't gotten that level. I've seen low levelled people with level 99 studded bandit holster but a high level horse? Anyway, you see how it was misinformation?

 

Also, some of these high level unlocks costed gold. Like studded bandit holster, it was 3.00 gold if I remember right. Yet, you can pay more gold to get it. I remember someone buying it for 11.00 gold or something, I forgot. The level 70 horse which is 42.00 gold. Yet still can't pay over 50+ gold or something to buy it. The problem here was they told you that you can buy anything and bypass level unlock with gold. But they said nothing about horses being locked. They didn't update their information that makes it look like a fraud. And I still haven't bought gold with real money anyway. Not a problem for me.

Edited by Ektope

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Bakkerbaard

Why would you even consider buying a horse at this point? The bonding is still screwed up for one. Personally, I'm still holding out for the less likely scenario that we will at some point be able to break or steal some horses to keep and by that logic I should be able to put off paying for a horse a long while.

I was able to milk succes from the Bravado Gauntlet for a long time, I fully intend to do the same to some off-the-street horse. And if racing stays like this in RDO I don't even need a good horse. Just some wretched creature that gets me from A to B.

 

I tell ya, it's great to be naive like me sometimes.

Edited by Bakkerbaard

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HockeyMike24
11 hours ago, FreeMaxB585 said:

oh wow shame on them for making some extra money on cosmetic things that you have to be leveled for!!! not like they didnt put out an amazing single player game can easily get hundreds of hours of content out of...the online is just extra gravy. can have tons of fun without needing to spend sh*t. story mission with friends, stranger mission with friends, show down games etc. it would be different if the good rifles were level 98 or for gold. I think with everything they have offered to us it is in there right to have cosmetic micro trnsactions. its not like we got a sh*t game like fallout 76 or battlefield, or a 25 hour game like gow4

 

I honestly don't mind the microtransactions. But as of right now there is nothing to do, or what little their is to do is boring. You can disagree with that statement all you want, but this is a popular opinion.

 

I want to love this games online and see this game succeed so we can get years out of it like GTA V. However when there are tons of bugs present and a huge lack of content, releasing gold bars for players to buy is a step in the wrong direction. 

 

You can defend R* all you want but if they continue to make microtransactions their top priority the game will suffer and people will stop playing it, leading to no more updates for the community to enjoy.

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simpjkee

A player can play Red Dead Online and never buy gold bars. Gold bars are an opt in model. You don't have to get them if you don't want to. You can play to hearts content and never buy a gold bar. So why all the anger at gold bars from people who insist they have no intention on buying them? Well....

 

Anger is a result of fears and insecurities. Here's two examples of how a persons fears and insecurities results in their anger.

 

1. The players reason is that "Rockstar is greedy because they charge for gold bars". The underlying fear or insecurity is that the player doesn't have a lot of money and is afraid they may not be able to control themselves and will spend money they don't have leading to financial ruin. What the player is really saying is "I am financially insecure and afraid of not having enough money..... because Rockstar is greedy". See it's easier to project blame at something else than face your own internal fears.

 

2. The players reason is "The other person wins because they are cheating by paying to win". The underlying fear or insecurity is that the player will not be respected because they don't win as much as others who pay for upgrades. Fear of inferiority to others... fear of not being respected by peers.... fear of being a failure, and on and on. What they're really saying "I'm insecure and afraid of being a failure or not being as good as others in my peer group..... and it's Rockstars fault and the dumbasses who pay for gold bars fault". Again, the player is afraid and projects blame instead of addressing their internal fears.

 

So the real question here is "Why are you afraid of gold bars?" and "Why are you insecure? and why do gold bars so directly trigger your insecurities?". You'll have to figure it out for yourself, but a lot of fears and insecurities boil down to small penis size..... I'm not sayin... I'm just sayin.....

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1 hour ago, simpjkee said:

So the real question here is "Why are you afraid of gold bars?" and "Why are you insecure? and why do gold bars so directly trigger your insecurities?". You'll have to figure it out for yourself, but a lot of fears and insecurities boil down to small penis size..... I'm not sayin... I'm just sayin.....

And what about when it's a female player that's complains about gold bars? 😂

You know this isn't a male-only game. Inb4 feminist triggered.

Edited by Ektope

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simpjkee
59 minutes ago, Ektope said:

And what about when it's a female player that's complains about gold bars? 😂

You know this isn't a male-only game. Inb4 feminist triggered.

Daddy issues.... of course;)

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On 12/28/2018 at 12:12 AM, FreeMaxB585 said:

 

gow4 got a ton of votes from PC players. Many forums of PC gamers said so. Because people on what side would troll and say..HA PC MASTER RACE NO RD2. While PC players would say "Its overrated anyway!!!" so all PC players nearly all voted for RD2.

Also most people dont even vote. I have 10 friends who play and all were unaware of voting and the game awards, same goes for what majority on the reddit say. I bought and beat GOW4 and it is nowhere close to this game. I was done in 25 hours and never touched it again. To be goty it should have replay value, not be linear, maybe have some exploring. maybe have a couple choices that effect the game. a goty should have people playing it months after it was released. But just weeks after nearly nobody ever played it agaun

 

And so if you admit gold bars give no advantage then who the hell cares? Even more cosmetics more often than not you can get the stuff with money anyway. Not many items are gold only. If some people want to pay their own money and it doesnt affect the game nor you then why give a f*ck?

In my opinion if there was ever a game that deserved to charge micro transactions its this one. Offering an amazing super long SP. Having an online (which isnt even close to finished) with story missions with friends, tons of stranger content missions, death match modes etc), Again you are caring too much over sh*t that effects nobody

Disagree, my friends and I have had a good amount of fun on the stranger missions. The story ones were a blast and will be great once the rest are released tho. But the strangers you just have to go to the right ones. Some are boring but the ones like Flacco and sean are fun as hell

So you're saying those stranger missions/online are anywhere near the quality of stuff found in single player. Not really 

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Posted (edited)

Rockstar makes this amazing single player game. Then they collectively piss on the RDR brand and fans by adding Gold Bars. Shame on them. 

 

Microtransactions are about as consumer friendly as cancer. Freemium models in normal gaming now is exactly what greedy, humourless c*nts, like to peddle. I don't care if someone is stupid enough to buy them and Rockstar wants to profit from it but why make the rest of us suffer this business model?

 

Give me the option to pay a subscription or one-off fee for online or multiple pay as you go fees for online DLC's, so long as I'm playing against people that don't have a Gold-Bar purchase advantage. 

 

CD Projekt's Red actually understands gamers and announced Cyberpunk 2077 wont have microtransactions . Guess what!? I'll buy 2 copies of that game to support that company or at least merch to match. Companies like that on on our side and we must support them. 

 

Rockstar stopped valuing us like gamers and started treating us like consumers ever since GTA V. I hate to sound like the guy shouting "sell-out" but they really are. Because their business model compromises the actually game-play.  When your scummy business model interferes directly with the integrity of the game and the gameplay, you've really sold your soul and deserve the inevitable backlash. There's only so much you can exploit gamers. We're pissed off. We pushed back at EA and now it will to Rockstar. Maybe not now but soon. 

 

Edited by Mister Pinkerton

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HockeyMike24

@Mister Pinkerton Bungie used to be my favourite dev company. With making Halo 1 & 2 on Xbox and Halo 3 on the 360. They gave the game some good DLC with a good community site offering the community new game modes for free every year. You could say the same thing about EA and Ubisoft around this time. AAA games have been sufferering lately and lack passion and art. Some of the best games in the past 5 years have been Indie titles developed by one person, Minecraft for example. I love CD Projekt Red and their respect for gaming, but it also makes you wonder how long it will last.

 

The sad thing is this will never stop because too many people buy into the microtransactions to the point companies don't care about their damaged reputation or game awards, only care about the profits they're making.

 

Sorry for the off topic rant about the modern gaming industry lol.

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Posted (edited)

I hear ya dude. The first developer/publisher I loved was Rockstar and it's the first company I've went from loving to being disappointed greatly by. The wounds are still fresh and salty. 

 

Yeah, I wonder how long it will last too. I think of CDPR now as Rockstar in the 90's/00's  - perhaps more ideological, wanting to prove their worth. Someday, they'll join the likes of EA and Rockstar and become this wolfish corporate machine. For now, I'll enjoy the ride with CDPR.  But I can't defend Rockstar any more. 

Edited by Mister Pinkerton

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