I'm a hardcore GTAOnline player, convince me why I should buy/play Red Dead Online

[Semaj 2JZ♢]

2 hours ago, Dr.Rosenthal said:

 

"The skills to use passive mode offensively, not taking part in fighting when you're at a disadvantage but following people around for sometimes 4 hours because you can't stand them being 'one up' on you, only to passive pop them when the right moment arises."

 

Those kinds of skills? 

 

Sidenote: I really, really hope we don't get GTAO's passive mode in RDO. How it is now, it usually starts with me being killed though I haven't done them any harm, and then I go chase after them, killing them repeatedly until they either parley or leave. That wouldn't be possible if they could just kill me and then go passive, which is, without a doubt and quite sadly, what most of them would choose to do.

I just came to think of that when I read that sentence by you, sorry if it's not really related to topic.

So, you think a revenge kill is how you would be able to "win" in that scenario? What exactly did they "win" when they killed you that 1 time? You need thicker skin.

[Dr.Rosenthal]

@Semaj 2JZ♢ Lol, wait what? Maybe you chose not to focus on the part I wrote just before the sentence that you highlighted.

 

My point being, people are generally quick to kill others for their own amusement. With passive popping they can get away with it easier, and it’s in part what’s ruined GTAO.

 

Thick skin? Lol. I love a good battle. I don’t like fighting people who likes to run and hide behind passive mode to be ”one up”. And no, I’m not saying I kill everyone repeatedly as revenge because I’m not nearly that good. Just that I’ve noticed a lot of people go for easy kills (and I never kill on sight unless it’s pre-emptive during a mission). I admit I’m a bit passive-aggressive though; I don’t start fights but if someone comes at me or my friends I sure love getting my revenge. Hope that clears it up!

[Fonshway]

3 hours ago, pro24 said:

 

Aimbots take as much skill as free aim. Hahahaha. Hahahaha. This community is so noob but so funny.

Yes, it does. In GTA, movement in auto aim RnGs was everything. At one time the "best" Auto aim rngers faced the "best" Free aimers in an open map rng... Those free aimers got completely pooped on. It's cute when noobs say AA takes no skill, then join an AA rng lobby to prove a point, and end up going triple negative in the scores. How does one go negative when the game aims for them? Lol...

Edited December 31, 2018 by Fonshway

[Callahan44]

I wonder when we will see the first huge esports showdown events...

[Stretch188]

21 hours ago, Fonshway said:

1. Yes, it does.

 

2. At one time the "best" Auto aim rngers faced the "best" Free aimers in an open map rng... Those free aimers got completely pooped on.

1. Literally 2 posts of yours ago I pointed out the fallacy in your logic that they require equal skill and you admitted that FA is more difficult.

 

Now you have reverted back? Lol wtf dude?

 

2. Youre leaving a lot of key information out here. Are you trying to say the AAs have more skill because they beat FAs in your example? Were the FAs using AA, or were the AAs using FA? Something tells me it was the first, and this doesnt mean that AAs have more skill lol.

 

Of course people who spend 100s of hours playing AA would be better at playing Auto Aim than people who play Free Aim lol, and vice versa. This example has literally no bearing on this argument.

 

If Tom Brady tried Curling against the best curlers in the world, he would get destroyed. Does that mean curling takes more skill than playing QB in the NFL? Lmao.

 

Everyone is making such bad faith arguments lol

[TankGirl]

On 12/31/2018 at 9:58 AM, Dr.Rosenthal said:

 

"The skills to use passive mode offensively, not taking part in fighting when you're at a disadvantage but following people around for sometimes 4 hours because you can't stand them being 'one up' on you, only to passive pop them when the right moment arises."

 

Those kinds of skills? 

 

Sidenote: I really, really hope we don't get GTAO's passive mode in RDO. How it is now, it usually starts with me being killed though I haven't done them any harm, and then I go chase after them, killing them repeatedly until they either parley or leave. That wouldn't be possible if they could just kill me and then go passive, which is, without a doubt and quite sadly, what most of them would choose to do.

I just came to think of that when I read that sentence by you, sorry if it's not really related to topic.

Yep those are the skills lol, dont forget ewo and know every wall breach on the map. 

 

I say there is no passive in the wild west. Actually I cant stand parley either. I have had a posse of 3 or 4 attack me and a friend and then have them  parlay to said friend and not me because you know they cant handle parlaying to a female gamer and now all of a sudden its me fighting 3 people and my friend can only fight the one who doesnt parley to him. Luckily I can handle myself but its still bs. 

 

I get killed all the time by people who kill once then leave session or run into a store so you cant kill them, those are the same people who prob abusive passive on GTAO. LIke in GTAO I let people kill me first, I dont kill for no reason so I fall prey to those types alot.

 

 

 

HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYBODY!

Edited January 1, 2019 by TankGirl

[pro24]

On 12/31/2018 at 2:05 PM, Fonshway said:

Yes, it does. In GTA, movement in auto aim RnGs was everything. At one time the "best" Auto aim rngers faced the "best" Free aimers in an open map rng... Those free aimers got completely pooped on. It's cute when noobs say AA takes no skill, then join an AA rng lobby to prove a point, and end up going triple negative in the scores. How does one go negative when the game aims for them? Lol...

Keep convincing yourself an aimbot that shoots for you takes skill. Maybe you'll push for self driving cars in the next Forza and then claim how it's more skilled than those actually...driving.

On 12/31/2018 at 2:12 PM, Callahan44 said:

I wonder when we will see the first huge esports showdown events...

when Pigs fly.

[mynameisskrillex]

There's no flying cars

[iloveyouiloveus]

7 hours ago, mynameisskrillex said:

There's no flying cars

lol, I take it you don't like flying vehicles...

[Happy Hunter]

You don't have to put up with the orbital cannon, or passive popping.

[Fonshway]

13 hours ago, Stretch188 said:

1. Literally 2 posts of yours ago I pointed out the fallacy in your logic that they require equal skill and you admitted that FA is more difficult.

 

Now you have reverted back? Lol wtf dude?

 

2. Youre leaving a lot of key information out here. Are you trying to say the AAs have more skill because they beat FAs in your example? Were the FAs using AA, or were the AAs using FA? Something tells me it was the first, and this doesnt mean that AAs have more skill lol.

 

Of course people who spend 100s of hours playing AA would be better at playing Auto Aim than people who play Free Aim lol, and vice versa. This example has literally no bearing on this argument.

1. You know what else is difficult? Hitting the jackpot, Landing that ball in a carnival game. It's the kind of difficulty that requires more luck than skill. That's what I meant. FA without the required aim assist is luck and spray and pray. Only on PC does free aim require true skill. Free aim on console with thumbsticks and NO aim assist? A joke lol...

 

2. The FAimers were using Auto aim, it was a 2v2 that took place in auto aim (where everyone's forced to play with auto aim) 

 

3. The example is relevant because free aimers loveeee to preach that auto aim takes no skill, and that they can simply turn auto aim on themselves and dominate and do good... Which is obviously not true. A soccer player can't go around saying "basketball is so easy, you just toss the ball into the hoop that's all" No... That's not all. Maybe against noobs they can do good with auto aim, but not vs a good auto aimer. And yes, there is such a thing as a good auto aimer... as ridiculous as it may sound. 

 

Again I'm speaking mostly GTA here. AA on rdr2, especially with the varmint and slow and steady and all those perks, is a complete joke. I'd much rather play free aim with the aim assist every other shooter has, than this mess.

Edited January 2, 2019 by Fonshway

[mynameisskrillex]

9 hours ago, xDONALDxTRUMPx1 said:

lol, I take it you don't like flying vehicles...

Hahaa, I don't really like the whole futuristic thing going on in GTAO, I played since day 1, took a year out and when I came back Los Santos was swarming with all sorts of mad sh*t!

[Stretch188]

7 hours ago, Fonshway said:

1. You know whats difficult? Hitting the jackpot. It's the kind of difficulty that requires more luck than skill. FA without the required aim assist is luck and spray and pray.

 

3. The example is relevant because free aimers loveeee to preach that auto aim takes no skill, and that they can simply turn auto aim on themselves and dominate and do good... Which is obviously not true. A soccer player can't go around saying "basketball is so easy, you just toss the ball into the hoop that's all" No... That's not all. Maybe against noobs they can do good with auto aim, but not vs a good auto aimer. And yes, there is such a thing as a good auto aimer... as ridiculous as it may sound. 

1. Difficult: Needing much effort or skill to accomplish, deal with or understand.

 

Hitting a jackpot isnt 'difficult' it is lucky.

 

In self-defense situations, 77% of bullets will miss the target, even by trained gun handlers.

 

Soldiers accuracy with a gun is reduced by a factor of 10 if they are forced to move from a static rifle position into a situation where they need to move, find cover, shoot, repeat. It is reduced by a further factor of 10 if the enemy is firing back at him, and by a further factor of 10 if the enemy has machine guns.

 

This means the best gunmen in the world's accuracy is 20x-30x worst in combat situations than at the range.

 

I say all this to say, you know what is actually difficult? Hitting your target in a real combat situation. Yet in AA, you not only have an over 85% chance of hitting your target, you have an over 85% of hitting a headshot! This is preposterous.

 

3. This is like arguing with my girlfriend. Youre just saying what I said with worst analogies and then changing the point.

 

Every post I made has conceded that it takes a certain kind of skill to play AA. You are getting defensive but the point I am trying to make is the game plays better without auto aim. (See my posts about why the varmint rifle is effective.)

 

Im going to stick with my Tom Brady curling example, because I dont really get what your soccer to basketball analogy was supposed to illustrate.

 

The question isnt 'does curling take skill?'. Its which is more difficult, curling or playing QB in the NFL. Both sports require accuracy, the ability to think and adjust on the fly, and teamwork. But there are really only 15-20 people in the world who can play QB effectively in the NFL at any given time - this isnt for lack of trying, its just extremely difficult to play QB and requires 100s of hours of practice just to be mediocre.

 

There is no similar barrier to entry in curling - there arent a third of the curling teams in the world in shortage of an above average (thrower,lol i dont know curling terminology). This is a clear indicator that while both require skill, it is more diffcult to become a competent NFL QB than to become a world class curler.

 

It sounds like you have either one or two issues: an unreasonable expectation of accuracy, and/or a lack of skill.

 

If FA is too hard for you - thats fine, no harm no foul, play AA and enjoy your experience.

 

But please stop pretending its just as difficilt.

[DrKrankenstein]

@above poster, you're over analyzing it.

 

it's press L2 to aim, flick right thumb up a lil, press R2.

 

that+repetition, equals skill then?

just enjoy the game lol

[Stretch188]

29 minutes ago, DrKrankenstein said:

@above poster, you're over analyzing it.

 

it's press L2 to aim, flick right thumb up a lil, press R2.

 

that+repetition, equals skill then?

just enjoy the game lol

I don't even know what you're trying to say here lol. Obviously it takes some skill to use AA, or my 3 year old nephew would be as good at it as the dude who wins 95% of the showdowns he participates in.

 

There can be grey area in discussions ;). Doesn't have to be 'LULZ AA TAKES NO SKILL' or 'FA IS BROKEN U NEEDZ AIM ASSIST'

 

Dunno where i mentioned anything about not enjoying the game? Lol I love this game. And I haven't played one minute of RDR2 or RDO without FA.

 

Also this might help you out before you respond:

 

Skill

noun

The ability to do something well.

 

So when I say FA is more difficult, I'm saying it takes more skill than AA. I don't know how anyone on either side of this argument can disagree with that sentence without being disingenous.

 

Amazing that the last two people to respond to me are on opposite sides of the argument, both using (simple) words they clearly dont have a firm grasp on to respond to me lol.

[Pressure Drop]

On 12/31/2018 at 7:05 PM, Fonshway said:

Yes, it does. In GTA, movement in auto aim RnGs was everything. At one time the "best" Auto aim rngers faced the "best" Free aimers in an open map rng... Those free aimers got completely pooped on. It's cute when noobs say AA takes no skill, then join an AA rng lobby to prove a point, and end up going triple negative in the scores. How does one go negative when the game aims for them? Lol...

 

You say they were the "best" but it was probably just your mate Dave who said he was amazing at free aim. I played GTA Online since day 1, and never do I remember any such event that involved the top free aim crews against auto aimers... are you just making this up?

[pro24]

I can't think of a "shooter" type game that takes less skill than RDO besides other Rockstar titles. I honestly can't think of one. Even WoW takes far more skill and that's saying something. That's what auto aim and radar for all is, bottom of the barrel skill floor.

Edited January 2, 2019 by pro24

[Fonshway]

9 hours ago, Stretch188 said:

Snip

 

dif·fi·cult

characterized by or causing hardships or problems.

synonyms:

inconvenient, awkward, unfavorable, unsuitable   all synonyms relevant to free aim on console with thumbsticks and no aim assist.    This is why I don't play free aim on GTA and prefer AA. Don't get me wrong I love free aiming on games like CoD or Fortnite, but on GTA (or even rdr2 if it doesn't have the assist)... I'll pass.   Oh and please no more real life anologies... We're talking about vidya games here, not real world situations. (Imagine how silly it would look to spray and pray an enemy irl standing 5 meters away just to get a headshot on them while moving left and right like free aimers do in GTA? Yeah exactly. Let's keep irl out of this)

Edited January 2, 2019 by Fonshway
Why does my post look like that lol

[Stretch188]

3 minutes ago, Fonshway said:

 

dif·fi·cult

characterized by or causing hardships or problems.

synonyms:

inconvenient, awkward, unfavorable, unsuitable

 

16 hours ago, Fonshway said:

1. You know what else is difficult? Hitting the jackpot

Lol so you think that hitting a jackpot 'causes hardships or problems'?

 

So you meant that hitting the jackpot is awkward? Inconvenient? Unsuitable?

 

You obviously were using the word in the context of the first definition, not the 2nd.

 

Why else would you cherry pick 4 synonyms (while removing the others that show how clearly you are using the wrong definition) rather than use the definition provided or the example sentence given by google for that definition ("a difficult economic climate.") to back up your point.

 

Just admit that you find FA too burdensome, and prefer to play AA. Thats fine! Either way, I dont believe I will be responding anymore, as you are clearly just being difficult (whoa! It even has a 3rd definition in reference to someone who is arguing in bad faith!)

[Fonshway]

Lol. I guess I should say that obviously free aim isn't only luck. There are people who can get very, very good at it.The same thing goes for AA though. The best free aimer can never beat the best auto aimer, and vice versa. And if you think it's all "bad faith", then I believe you may need a demonstration! Psn: Fonshway. Maybe we can play a few games for fun. 

 

Watch this and if you still think it's " Bottom of the barrel skill" Then you're wrong... Dead wrong.

[Enchilada]

Hardcore did not exist in GTAV.

 

AA: basically L2 to lock, R2 to fire with little to no anolog stick usage

 

FA: L2 to aim, L3 to line up with enemy, R3 to find dead zone, R2 to fire. 

 

I wonder what mode will the casual gamer prefer??

 

 

 

 

 

[Stretch188]

1 hour ago, Fonshway said:

Lol. I guess I should say that obviously free aim isn't only luck. There are people who can get very, very good at it.The same thing goes for AA though. The best free aimer can never beat the best auto aimer, and vice versa. And if you think it's all "bad faith", then I believe you may need a demonstration! Psn: Fonshway. Maybe we can play a few games for fun. 

 

Literally my first post in this thread I said that both styles require skill.

 

I disproved your example of AAs beating FAs being evidence that AA is just as difficult as FA by pointing out that obviously the best AAs would beat the best FAs in AA, and vice versa.

 

2 pages later, and you are...using my own points against me?

 

Ive said multiple times that I am not even good at FA. Ive defended AAs when FAs insist it takes no skill, and disproved AAs, when they insist its all luck.

 

My point is that auto aim is boring, and the game is more dynamic, difficult, and interesting in FA.

 

Im still not sure what yours is.

 

Was this all just a plot for you to link to your youtube video lol?

 

Also, I dont think you know what arguing in bad faith means. Its being intentionally deceptive, either to yourself or to others, in order to try and gain an advantage in a debate.

 

Like when you wrote:

 

"If you still think its 'bottom of the barrel' skill..youre wrong, dead wrong."

 

Nope. Never said that lmao. You just made up a quote and pretended I said it to make your position seem stronger lol.

Edited January 3, 2019 by Stretch188

[crybaby17h16]

sweetie you don't need someone to convince you in anything, no one knows how you really feel and everyone sees the world in a different way than you do, if you have money buy the game in my opinion, experience it, then only you will tell exactly what you wanna hear

[iloveyouiloveus]

8 hours ago, DrKrankenstein said:

@above poster, you're over analyzing it.

 

it's press L2 to aim, flick right thumb up a lil, press R2.

 

that+repetition, equals skill then?

just enjoy the game lol

 

 

Believe it or not, this does require skill. With auto-aim on in GTAO, I couldn't hit targets for some odd reason. Then, I figured out what happened, auto-aim works to get you near the target, but it doesn't get you to stay right on the target as my aim would move a little bit away from my intended target. So, long story short, I have to hold my right thumbstick a little bit as I auto-aim or else I won't hit the target. This is playing on xbox one. xbox one is swarming with Opressor MKIIs, so it requires some skill to deal with these flying monsters effectively.

 

You have to learn the muscle memory to get a good kill using auto-aim.

[The ViceCity]

This auto aim vs free aim debate is completely off-topic, and i'm sick of seeing it being brought up tbh. I'm seeing too many free aimers getting bold and going off on a mad tangent again so let me just hop in and set the logic straight. 

 

Free aim takes skill. I'm just gonna let you know that before you jump on me too, like you salty free aimers seem to love doing on YT. Free aim takes skills in predicting where the opponents head will be as their moving, takes skills in developing muscle memory and being able to flick headshot people, especially people that come up in your radar all of a sudden meaning you have to react quickly. And it obviously takes movement skills - making yourself hard to hit.

 

Now let me talk about auto aim. To start off with, Forums are usually full of casual gamers who do not play the game at a high level, but like to think they know all about it. Let me just assure you, none of you here except for me and Fonshway could compete at the top level in auto aim. He and I are from the two top crews in auto aim (OTGX and RNGK) and you would probably go under a 0.3 KD if you played against a couple of us in a team. To compete at our level, in auto aim, does take a lot of skill, and since you guys haven't experienced it (just as Thomas doubted Jesus) you haven't got a clue what we mean when we say it takes skill. Sure, to slay noobs you just have to aim, move the R3 up a bit, and shoot. That's against noobs. You don't talk about what skills are involved against a good, or TOP, auto aim player. It ain't simply a game of who aims up at the head and presses R2 first. First off, top auto aimers make themselves awkward to hit at all times. Its easier to hit people in auto aim than free aim right? So that makes movement and dodging bullets more important than ever. So you'll have to concede right now that movement and dodging bullets is more prevalent and important in auto aim than free aim. Free aimers strafe while shooting. Auto aimers don't just strafe, we do sidesteps and spins. Don't know if you ever played against a top spinner but there are many spinning techniques that have been developed which make it extremely difficult for an opponent to hit your head. Free aimers simply wouldnt spin like an auto aimer because it would only make it harder for you to land a shot on your opponent. We're also not just sprinting in a straight line through the map either. We're also crouching or sprinting sideways and diagonally and sh*t to make it hard to be hit. Then there's the fact that in auto aim you can be killed quickly so it in general requires SLIGHTLY faster reaction times, and also takes positioning, knowledge of map and spawns, and different tactics in crew battles just as it would be for free aim. 

 

You argue that free aim takes more aiming skill than auto aim. First off, aiming skill isn't everything. I might agree that it takes more skill to hit your shots in free aim, but it takes more skill to avoid being hit in auto aim. Also, that does not by any means imply aiming in auto aim is a piece of cake. It is against noobs, but then it is against noobs in free aim too. I used to be a 100% free aim player in GTA4 so that's from experience. It isn't hard to kill noobs in free aim. I used free aim 2 weeks ago against a noob (my trigger was broken I couldn't lock on so I thought f*ck it) in free roam. That's after at least 5-6 years since I stopped playing free aim, and I got 4 clean headshot kills on him without trying. My point? The point is, I'm not gonna say free aim takes no skills based off what its like to fight a noob. Just don't assume auto aim is low skill because noobs are so easy to kill. Good players are in the minority, and top players are very rare. Its unlikely you've even played with one or two of them. Tbh, PC is where free aim takes the most skill, since controllers are more designed for aim assist anyway. 

 

To whoever replied to Fonshway saying 'it was probably your mate Dave who told you hes excellent at free aim', that's not true. I know what happened in that 2v2. Basically, two top auto aim players from OTGX crew (DarkLord and XxgiuseppexX1999) played an auto aim 2v2 against Putther and his free aim friend in an open map (face to face) called Gang Bang (that's a famous competitive map). Dark and Giuse won with around 100 kills to less than 20. Forced weapon was the standard Pistol too. Now just explain to me how its possible for them to dominate that match if auto aim takes no skills. How is it possible that I often go into Team Shootouts in rdr2, and constantly get MVP with over 40 kills, all the while playing RnG rules and not hiding behind anything? How is it possible for 1v1s and crew battles to have convincing winners? How is it possible I can even use the terminology 'good/top auto aimer player'? Comparing a game to real life or competitive deathmatches to driving a truck vs an automatic transmission car is a joke tbh. You cant just compare very different things like that, It's a poor comparison. You're resorting to similes instead of just using clear facts. Don't talk about what you don't know about please I don't think any of you can use the 'free aim is too hard for you' on me. I used to play free aim competitively years ago and enjoyed it. I stopped playing because free aim on GTA5 was a joke (genuine spray and pray, people could gun whack, movement was way too poor unlike old gen R* games). I wont be using free aim on RDR2 either because the bloom and shaky aim is imo a complete disgrace aswell, and is already irritating enough in auto aim. The game simply doesn't reward skill and accuracy and makes it slow paced and boring. 

 

To answer the original question, as you should be talking about, you will have to pray R* release some big quality updates. Right now RD Online can get boring very quickly and is full of OP perks, cannot host private lobbies, laggy and glitchy, and lacking a lot of satisfying content. But do get on RD Online in case R* give you cash bonuses which you can save up for future updates. GTA5 is going to start properly dying soon enough as RD Online develops more, but there'll always be a lot of people playing until GTA6 since a lot of people don't like Westerns. 

[Fonshway]

1 hour ago, Stretch188 said:

 

Was this all just a plot for you to link to your youtube video lol?

 

they're onto me...

 

In all seriousness, I must have gotten your post mixed up with someone else's. I may have missed some of your points... if those were really your points. 

 

The video was just to prove that it takes a lot of skills. This whole debate was to prove AA takes skill. I get a lot of hate from free aimers on my channel saying that it takes no skill and that they can do the same (yet none of them ever get back to me when I say okay, add me up, join a game and prove it doesn't)  if you were agreeing with me, then at least you're not completely ignorant like most of them are. At least you can be open minded.

 

 

[Stretch188]

2 hours ago, Fonshway said:

 

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they're onto me...

 

 

In all seriousness, I must have gotten your post mixed up with someone else's. I may have missed some of your points... if those were really your points. 

 

The video was just to prove that it takes a lot of skills. This whole debate was to prove AA takes skill. If you were agreeing with me, then at least you're not completely ignorant like most of them are. At least you can be open minded.

 

 

Lool!

 

All good! Yes those were my points, and i think the position that AA takes no skill in PVP is pretty ridiculous - it just takes a different skillset.

 

I just get frustrated when people say the opposite as well - that FA is broken - cause its not! I play FA and I have a ball! And I get destroyed when I play FPS online (or honestly even offline against my buddies lol) so Im no FA god here to sh*t on the plebs - I just personally think its funner, and makes gameplay deeper & more realistic.

 

If I was a dick earlier (and i probably was knowing myself lol) i apologize. 

 

All the best!

Edited January 3, 2019 by Stretch188

[Revoemag]

On 12/31/2018 at 2:05 PM, Fonshway said:

Yes, it does. In GTA, movement in auto aim RnGs was everything. At one time the "best" Auto aim rngers faced the "best" Free aimers in an open map rng... Those free aimers got completely pooped on. It's cute when noobs say AA takes no skill, then join an AA rng lobby to prove a point, and end up going triple negative in the scores. How does one go negative when the game aims for them? Lol...

But that equates to athletes in the special Olympics... we can be proud of what they can do,  but none actually want to partake in it..

 

Free aim = regular Olympics

Auto aim = special Olympics..

 

Do you understand now?

[wehweh01]

On 12/21/2018 at 9:27 AM, xDONALDxTRUMPx1 said:

As title goes, I'm into GTA Online, but I'm not fully convinced on Red Dead Online. Has it improved from when it first launched? Is the money system any better than GTA Online?

As of right now? Nope. Wait until official release.

[pro24]

10 hours ago, The ViceCity said:

This auto aim vs free aim debate is completely off-topic, and i'm sick of seeing it being brought up tbh. I'm seeing too many free aimers getting bold and going off on a mad tangent again so let me just hop in and set the logic straight. 

 

Free aim takes skill. I'm just gonna let you know that before you jump on me too, like you salty free aimers seem to love doing on YT. Free aim takes skills in predicting where the opponents head will be as their moving, takes skills in developing muscle memory and being able to flick headshot people, especially people that come up in your radar all of a sudden meaning you have to react quickly. And it obviously takes movement skills - making yourself hard to hit.

 

Now let me talk about auto aim. To start off with, Forums are usually full of casual gamers who do not play the game at a high level, but like to think they know all about it. Let me just assure you, none of you here except for me and Fonshway could compete at the top level in auto aim. He and I are from the two top crews in auto aim (OTGX and RNGK) and you would probably go under a 0.3 KD if you played against a couple of us in a team. To compete at our level, in auto aim, does take a lot of skill, and since you guys haven't experienced it (just as Thomas doubted Jesus) you haven't got a clue what we mean when we say it takes skill. Sure, to slay noobs you just have to aim, move the R3 up a bit, and shoot. That's against noobs. You don't talk about what skills are involved against a good, or TOP, auto aim player. It ain't simply a game of who aims up at the head and presses R2 first. First off, top auto aimers make themselves awkward to hit at all times. Its easier to hit people in auto aim than free aim right? So that makes movement and dodging bullets more important than ever. So you'll have to concede right now that movement and dodging bullets is more prevalent and important in auto aim than free aim. Free aimers strafe while shooting. Auto aimers don't just strafe, we do sidesteps and spins. Don't know if you ever played against a top spinner but there are many spinning techniques that have been developed which make it extremely difficult for an opponent to hit your head. Free aimers simply wouldnt spin like an auto aimer because it would only make it harder for you to land a shot on your opponent. We're also not just sprinting in a straight line through the map either. We're also crouching or sprinting sideways and diagonally and sh*t to make it hard to be hit. Then there's the fact that in auto aim you can be killed quickly so it in general requires SLIGHTLY faster reaction times, and also takes positioning, knowledge of map and spawns, and different tactics in crew battles just as it would be for free aim. 

 

You argue that free aim takes more aiming skill than auto aim. First off, aiming skill isn't everything. I might agree that it takes more skill to hit your shots in free aim, but it takes more skill to avoid being hit in auto aim. Also, that does not by any means imply aiming in auto aim is a piece of cake. It is against noobs, but then it is against noobs in free aim too. I used to be a 100% free aim player in GTA4 so that's from experience. It isn't hard to kill noobs in free aim. I used free aim 2 weeks ago against a noob (my trigger was broken I couldn't lock on so I thought f*ck it) in free roam. That's after at least 5-6 years since I stopped playing free aim, and I got 4 clean headshot kills on him without trying. My point? The point is, I'm not gonna say free aim takes no skills based off what its like to fight a noob. Just don't assume auto aim is low skill because noobs are so easy to kill. Good players are in the minority, and top players are very rare. Its unlikely you've even played with one or two of them. Tbh, PC is where free aim takes the most skill, since controllers are more designed for aim assist anyway. 

 

To whoever replied to Fonshway saying 'it was probably your mate Dave who told you hes excellent at free aim', that's not true. I know what happened in that 2v2. Basically, two top auto aim players from OTGX crew (DarkLord and XxgiuseppexX1999) played an auto aim 2v2 against Putther and his free aim friend in an open map (face to face) called Gang Bang (that's a famous competitive map). Dark and Giuse won with around 100 kills to less than 20. Forced weapon was the standard Pistol too. Now just explain to me how its possible for them to dominate that match if auto aim takes no skills. How is it possible that I often go into Team Shootouts in rdr2, and constantly get MVP with over 40 kills, all the while playing RnG rules and not hiding behind anything? How is it possible for 1v1s and crew battles to have convincing winners? How is it possible I can even use the terminology 'good/top auto aimer player'? Comparing a game to real life or competitive deathmatches to driving a truck vs an automatic transmission car is a joke tbh. You cant just compare very different things like that, It's a poor comparison. You're resorting to similes instead of just using clear facts. Don't talk about what you don't know about please I don't think any of you can use the 'free aim is too hard for you' on me. I used to play free aim competitively years ago and enjoyed it. I stopped playing because free aim on GTA5 was a joke (genuine spray and pray, people could gun whack, movement was way too poor unlike old gen R* games). I wont be using free aim on RDR2 either because the bloom and shaky aim is imo a complete disgrace aswell, and is already irritating enough in auto aim. The game simply doesn't reward skill and accuracy and makes it slow paced and boring. 

 

To answer the original question, as you should be talking about, you will have to pray R* release some big quality updates. Right now RD Online can get boring very quickly and is full of OP perks, cannot host private lobbies, laggy and glitchy, and lacking a lot of satisfying content. But do get on RD Online in case R* give you cash bonuses which you can save up for future updates. GTA5 is going to start properly dying soon enough as RD Online develops more, but there'll always be a lot of people playing until GTA6 since a lot of people don't like Westerns. 

Youre bragging about aim bots. Lol or what? You should head over to esreality.com and tell everyone you and fonshway wants some 2's.