ShayD Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 Cleaning guns in the gunsmith is a flat fee of $1.50 regardless of amount of wear on the weapon. In story mode the cost is based on weapon wear and iirc the max cost was $1.50 for a fully worn weapon. Is this a bug or is it an intended money sink by R*? chef_archie and TableTennisChamp 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKilledMyHorseAgain Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, ShayD said: Cleaning guns in the gunsmith is a flat fee of $1.50 regardless of amount of wear on the weapon. In story mode the cost is based on weapon wear and iirc the max cost was $1.50 for a fully worn weapon. Is this a bug or is it an intended money sink by R*? All i know is im tired of having to clean it all the time. Who has ever shot a gun about 30 times and had its performance drop off a cliff??? Im all for keeping ol'Betsy clean but cmon already!!! ALifeOfMisery, AUScowboy, DentureDynamite and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarquista_duval Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 I never pay for that as I loot gun oil from houses and I'm always at full capacity (20) so money is not a problem.But, the action of cleaning is boring AF and degradation happens way too fast. AUScowboy, chef_archie, SPECTER II and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShayD Posted December 20, 2018 Author Share Posted December 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, anarquista_duval said: I never pay for that as I loot gun oil from houses and I'm always at full capacity (20) so money is not a problem.But, the action of cleaning is boring AF and degradation happens way too fast. Maybe its just me but I enjoy cleaning my rifles at camp in the evening after a day of hunting. I just wish it wasnt so damn expesive to have the gunsmith do it. 13 minutes ago, IKilledMyHorseAgain said: All i know is im tired of having to clean it all the time. Who has ever shot a gun about 30 times and had its performance drop off a cliff??? Im all for keeping ol'Betsy clean but cmon already!!! But both of you do have a point, gun deg is way to quick. Even with the leather wrap it makes little difference. chef_archie, anarquista_duval and MagicNarcosis 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocket Fox Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 Degradation is increased for online, I swear. It's made me favor my bow for hunting, even birds. My issue isn't so much with the price of a clean, more so the speed at which they need to be cleaned and having to go through every gun at a time to see what condition they are in. Amy Vinewood, chef_archie, ALifeOfMisery and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van_Hellsing Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 The sleeve is reducing the wear of guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callahan44 Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 I always wonder how much time went into the whole "inspect gun" thing...i really wouldnt miss it a tiny bit if it was gone. I dont care that much about cleaning anymore,even a dirty rifle can kill people. Its a pretty annoying mechanic tbh. Would have prefered that realism somewhere in the honor(killing animals=great thing) or payment department(need longer to complete a job? Get more cash...). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areyouchappin Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 (edited) It's the same reason why buying 10 bullets for a gun costs the same price as 60 bullets, R* wants you to spend more money than you need or want to. They'll "fix" it later on down the road like they did in GTA5 once they feel like enough people have been ripped off. These are the broken realistic mechanics that I don't like in Red Dead Online. The ultra realism made the Single Player outstanding, but now it is slowly choking RD:Online to death. -Guns need to be cleaned all the time or else you suffer from exaggerated negative effects, if you step into some high water, prepare to scrub your freshly cleaned guns again. -Horses need to be washed or it somehow becomes slower and more tired, I'm honestly surprised they didn't force the players to take baths too. -Horse Cores drain very quickly, luckily the cores don't drain fast unless you are saddled on your horse, so this problem isn't too annoying. -Horse Bonding constantly resets to Level 1. -Temperature is bugged and works sometimes. -Player Weight constantly drops to Underweight all the time. -Player Cores constantly drain, no matter what you're doing, browsing the catalogue, looking at the map, etc. Like Horse Cores, this one isn't that annoying. The realism is cool and all, but it brings even more unpredictability to an already unpredictable game world that demands it's players to be precise all the time. I'm not saying this realism needs to be removed, it just needs to be fixed ASAP. Until then, all players are forced to deal with this sh*t. Edited December 20, 2018 by areyouchappin DentureDynamite, chef_archie, Amy Vinewood and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solid Scorpion Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 I think I've cleaned my repeater all of once. I go for headshots 90% of the time and haven't really noticed any negative effects besides crap accuracy. Though that may just be down to me being crap. Waiting for the day to come where the things just seize up mid shot and I get a face full of molten metal. Callahan44 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUScowboy Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Van_Hellsing said: The sleeve is reducing the wear of guns. It's supposed to reduce it by 10% but I'm very skeptical. I have wraps on some guns and not on others and they all degrade at the same rate. It's either bugged or lying.. DentureDynamite and chef_archie 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areyouchappin Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 18 minutes ago, Solid Scorpion said: I think I've cleaned my repeater all of once. I go for headshots 90% of the time and haven't really noticed any negative effects besides crap accuracy. Though that may just be down to me being crap. Waiting for the day to come where the things just seize up mid shot and I get a face full of molten metal. Not cleaning your weapons causes Damage, Fire Rate and Reload Speed to go down. I don't know if Accuracy or Range is effected because the meters aren't red in the statistics, but it certainly seems like they are. If you went up against a player who is equally as skilled as you, and they had a perfectly cleaned Repeater, and you had your dirty Repeater, you would tactically and technically be at a disadvantage against that opponent. Solid Scorpion 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solid Scorpion Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 1 hour ago, areyouchappin said: Not cleaning your weapons causes Damage, Fire Rate and Reload Speed to go down. I don't know if Accuracy or Range is effected because the meters aren't red in the statistics, but it certainly seems like they are. If you went up against a player who is equally as skilled as you, and they had a perfectly cleaned Repeater, and you had your dirty Repeater, you would tactically and technically be at a disadvantage against that opponent. They say a bad workman blames his tools, but this is the excuse I'll be quoting for my bad aim from now on I think I've got a few oils in my inventory, I'll give 'em a rubdown and see if I notice an improvement. areyouchappin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnieVega Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 Well with the gun cleaning at least we have something to spend our hard earned money on... areyouchappin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areyouchappin Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Solid Scorpion said: They say a bad workman blames his tools, but this is the excuse I'll be quoting for my bad aim from now on I think I've got a few oils in my inventory, I'll give 'em a rubdown and see if I notice an improvement. Lol I get what you mean but on a more serious note, that saying has been misinterpreted for many years.. Part of being good or an expert at something is having the experience and skills to select the right tools needed for the job. And then using your experience and skills to drive those tools to produce excellent results. Blaming your tools means either you lack skill, or that you chose the wrong tools because you lack the experience and skills to choose correctly. Bad tools typically take longer to work with, and usually teach bad habits to get around their deficiencies. Edited December 20, 2018 by areyouchappin IamCourtney 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just do it bob1 Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 I hope they remove gun cleaning. It is sooooo annoying... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiberiusMcQueen Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 21 minutes ago, just do it bob1 said: I hope they remove gun cleaning. It is sooooo annoying... Or just make guns degrade slower and make the cleaning cost function like it does in singleplayer, tired of seeing people suggest Rockstar do things that would make this game even more of a shallow lifeless husk of the singleplayer experience. DonnieVega 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callahan44 Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, TiberiusMcQueen said: Or just make guns degrade slower and make the cleaning cost function like it does in singleplayer, tired of seeing people suggest Rockstar do things that would make this game even more of a shallow lifeless husk of the singleplayer experience. it should be 1 click at the gunstore to clean all guns. Perhaps a short cutscene where you hand a bag of guns to the shopowner and he gets his cleaning tools out. Same should be possible at camp(for free after youve done some mission to get the tools and a gunsmith),we need people that work for us. Edited December 20, 2018 by Callahan44 Talisman_83, DonnieVega, PaeganLoveSong and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just do it bob1 Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 17 minutes ago, TiberiusMcQueen said: Or just make guns degrade slower and make the cleaning cost function like it does in singleplayer, tired of seeing people suggest Rockstar do things that would make this game even more of a shallow lifeless husk of the singleplayer experience. Multiplayer should be shallow in that regard. I don't like super realistic multiplayer games. It's annoying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrismads Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 I'm pretty sure i noticed longer durability after adding leather wraps on my guns. Also holsters are suppose to have different multipliers for durability right? Just can't see tthe stats anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaBirdCoot Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Leather wraps seem to require less maintenace, but I don't know if it can be confirmed by someone who has a bit more experience and done more testing. To answer OP's final question, imo it is hardly a money sink having your weapon cleaned or buy some gun oil, I mean you just need to go hunt about two animals or get a good carcass of some deer ect. which shouldn't be that hard, and already will have your cash back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghoffman9 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 What I noticed is that weapon condition does not really go down during missions. It mainly drops quickly when in free roam. I also have leather wraps on all my rifles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fejkb Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Tbh it didn’t annoy me yet. I have ~10 gun oils at me all the time and I clear my guns when they are below 50%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vik2390 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) I can confirm that if you stand in the water at least on half of your body, weapons that you carry (in gun belt, holster and back) corrupted very fast. I've stayed in water at Blackwater ferry 5 minutes flat and it all broken down from 100% to 0. I repeat: it only affects weapons that you currently carry on (revolvers and big guns both). Weapons on horse stayed fine. So, watch your guns, when you sneakin on swamps. Edited December 21, 2018 by Vik2390 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusbeckia Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 15 hours ago, Pocket Fox said: Degradation is increased for online, I swear. It's made me favor my bow for hunting, even birds. My issue isn't so much with the price of a clean, more so the speed at which they need to be cleaned and having to go through every gun at a time to see what condition they are in. Bow is the best hunting weapon for any animal (except alligators maybe) anyway. But it takes skill to use! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
U Carmine Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, rusbeckia said: Bow is the best hunting weapon for any animal (except alligators maybe) anyway. But it takes skill to use! A single poison arrow to head, kills an alligator. It might help to have dead eye (+ damage) and passive combat cards that gives + damage when stamina is over 75%+. Edited December 21, 2018 by Ektope rusbeckia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
éX-Driver Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 I had a theory less than a week after the game launched that all the ‘eat to maintain healthy weight’ and ‘clean guns to maintain condition’ and ‘cold/hot weather drains health with wrong clothes’ wasn’t added for realism. It was added to drain your money online. It’s the same reason why PvP gamemodes use your freeroam ammo. It’s all to parasitically drain your money to try and encourage you to use mictrotransactions. To the very core, the game is designed with online microtransactions in mind. We didn’t learn from GTA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
U Carmine Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, éX-Driver said: I had a theory less than a week after the game launched that all the ‘eat to maintain healthy weight’ and ‘clean guns to maintain condition’ and ‘cold/hot weather drains health with wrong clothes’ wasn’t added for realism. It was added to drain your money online. It’s the same reason why PvP gamemodes use your freeroam ammo. It’s all to parasitically drain your money to try and encourage you to use mictrotransactions. To the very core, the game is designed with online microtransactions in mind. We didn’t learn from GTA. There is no microtransaction to buy $ money. So that doesn't count for showdown series ammo when we buy 'em from lobby screens. Even the gun cleaning that costs $ but that's not in gold. Edited December 21, 2018 by Ektope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
éX-Driver Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 15 minutes ago, Ektope said: There is no microtransaction to buy $ money. So that doesn't count for showdown series ammo when we buy 'em from lobby screens. Even the gun cleaning that costs $ but that's not in gold. But you CAN buy the guns and clothes you need with gold. If you drain your cash, then you have the gold backup to use on a myriad of things. They want you to drain your cash so you’re more likely to spend gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilaythepipe707 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 21 hours ago, areyouchappin said: Lol I get what you mean but on a more serious note, that saying has been misinterpreted for many years.. Part of being good or an expert at something is having the experience and skills to select the right tools needed for the job. And then using your experience and skills to drive those tools to produce excellent results. Blaming your tools means either you lack skill, or that you chose the wrong tools because you lack the experience and skills to choose correctly. Bad tools typically take longer to work with, and usually teach bad habits to get around their deficiencies. Ur annoying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IamCourtney Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Would be interesting to see a side by side overall performance comparison between a freshly cleaned gun and a fully degraded one. I'm pretty fastidious with mine but my wife often lets hers get near the bottom of the condition meter and the difference, based on secondhand observation, doesn't seem drastic. The main thing that bugs me is how weak and sickly the gun's report becomes, it just makes me sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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