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Treasure maps needs balancing?

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CMCSAVAGE
17 minutes ago, Jason said:

 Duping is a huge no no in other online games with progression, GTAO and so far RDO really is an exception to the rule and I don't know why. 

As far as GTAO goes, their dupe detection is piss poor to say the least. They rely on a daily sell limit and license plates. Both are too easy to get around. Worse case scenario for someone that wasn't smart about it, they get hit with a sell limit for a period of time and could have their custom plates removed. Neither one is really a deterrent since some dupes don't require custom plates and you can still sell cars.

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Lonely-Martin
2 minutes ago, Jason said:

I mean the map giveaway was like 3-4 bars at best, Rockstar has given away more than that them selves. The PSN bonuses aren't anything huge, I think they're mainly aimed at new players more than anything - a lot of players still don't have an off-hand holster which is what I imagine this months giveaway is aimed at. The Twitch gold discount is maybe a reason to take action, but I'm fairly sure these Twitch/Amazon prime deals are paid for by Twitch/Amazon so they've already got a paycheck from it.

 

Rockstar selling gold bars themselves and not wanting glitches to f*ck up their economy should be reason enough to take action. Duping is a huge no no in other online games with progression, GTAO and so far RDO really is an exception to the rule and I don't know why. 

Honestly, I agree fully. It shouldn't be anything more than because it could affect R*'s recurring spending that drives good fixes and deterrents.

 

But GTA really did show that that alone wasn't enough to let so much slide. Bogdan thrives, car duping is a bit tricky to read into as I get lost but many find it a doddle, even the wiping has become a farce with so many keeping their assets or bonds as they call 'em. 

 

I can't help but not trust R* after GTA, but this is certainly a good time to learn given history. :)

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Jason
4 minutes ago, CMCSAVAGE said:

As far as GTAO goes, their dupe detection is piss poor to say the least. They rely on a daily sell limit and license plates. Both are too easy to get around. Worse case scenario for someone that wasn't smart about it, they get hit with a sell limit for a period of time and could have their custom plates removed. Neither one is really a deterrent since some dupes don't require custom plates and you can still sell cars.

Yea GTAO being Rockstar's first real stab at a big, progression based online game is very evident. I mean the only proof you need is how easy it is to hack, it's stuff MMO devs (or MMO-lite devs) learned decades ago.

 

If they really haven't put the lessons they learned into RDO then f*cking hell. They should be easily able to tell who duped, I'm not kidding when I say it's standard stuff. So for GTAO either they're inept or don't care, both are worrying.

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CMCSAVAGE
8 hours ago, Jason said:

If they really haven't put the lessons they learned into RDO then f*cking hell. They should be easily able to tell who duped, I'm not kidding when I say it's standard stuff. So for GTAO either they're inept or don't care, both are worrying.

When you mismanage something early on, it eventually gets to the point of no return. GTAO got to the point, if you can't beat em, then hell with it. I'm pretty sure they got 6 billion reasons not to give a sh*t anymore.

 

They must have an acceptable level of tolerance for "ill gotten gains", which the Lester glitch certainly proved. The $$$ people made from that would have equated to hundreds or thousands of dollars of Shark Cards.

 

RDO is different with its dual currencies. Up until now it was just money, which you can't buy. Maybe they didn't care, who knows. Now that there was Gold thrown into the mix, it might be a different story. Real curious to see how this plays out though. I saw someone claim they made 1500 gold and $400k lol.

 

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Rev. Gnash

Yeah, I saw that too. And I believe him; I recall similar claims on the GTA side of that situation... from the same source.

 

Speaking of GTA, during the "Billionaire Era" - it was hit or miss. Some got wiped and some skated by.

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Jason

The billionaire era of GTAO was an absolute f*cking disaster, if you stepped in a public lobby on 360/PS3 you had billions thrown at you. Bet it was real tricky to sort through, especially if their tools were indeed limited.

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CMCSAVAGE
46 minutes ago, Rev. Gnash said:

Yeah, I saw that too. And I believe him; I recall similar claims on the GTA side of that situation... from the same source.

So if you equate that to purchasable gold, it would be just under $423. The GTAO equivalent would be like 33+ million. I think that 1500 number would be on the extreme end, given the conditions and how short it lasted. 

 

I'm sure most didn't come nowhere near that. Like I said, game economies aside, the Lester glitch was way bigger. Not just by the number of people doing it, but also how it equated to purchasable currency.

 

This might be a record for R* in how fast they patched it. Kinda shows where their priorities are, doesn't matter if it affects the game or players, as long as it don't affect them.

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Jason

If the glitch became public about 8-10 hours later than it did the damage would've been significantly worse I bet, it coming out late in the day helped limit the damage quite a bit.

 

Also there is no way this glitch was just discovered frankly. When I first saw the video I was expecting something a bit complex to setup but putting a wagon on a chest.... Yea, the people who knew about this glitch before it became public are gonna be pissed I bet lol.

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Lonely-Martin
38 minutes ago, Jason said:

The billionaire era of GTAO was an absolute f*cking disaster, if you stepped in a public lobby on 360/PS3 you had billions thrown at you. Bet it was real tricky to sort through, especially if their tools were indeed limited.

For me, it's the lack of an appeal I was furious over. I lost over 2 years of good gaming and rare unlocks when I got wiped after R* called me the cheat. I did nothing other than land out of a heist and that was it. Zero f*cks given, 'you cheated so we wiped it all' is pretty much the short and sweet version of the responses I got.

 

But I do blame myself for returning and starting over as it contributed to R* being able to sweep it all under the carpet, just don't want another of their games compromised again because of all this bollocks.

 

I really wish they'd just tell us they are aware and are working on a fix and wipes/rollbacks as that would certainly reduce those considering if they should or not and thing grow less when people learn it gets you nowhere at all.

6 minutes ago, Jason said:

Also there is no way this glitch was just discovered frankly. When I first saw the video I was expecting something a bit complex to setup but putting a wagon on a chest.... Yea, the people who knew about this glitch before it became public are gonna be pissed I bet lol.

I was reading that sinful site about this and some were pissed at this J Stone chap leaking it public after this long. Though I think others are saying some Chinese chap went public, either way as I don't care who/how/when, it all points to it being known well between some as they were not pleased it's public now, lol. 

 

(By all means delete this if I went too far, but I'm certain this was known long before publicly, lol).

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Jason

Yea from what I gathered it was leaked by a Chinese player then J Stone showed it off in a video of his own and that was that. Definitely was known before it was leaked tho, too simple for it to be unknown for this long and there are 100% small glitcher communities in games like this that keep sh*t to themselves.

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netnow66
42 minutes ago, Jason said:

Yea from what I gathered it was leaked by a Chinese player then J Stone showed it off in a video of his own and that was that. Definitely was known before it was leaked tho, too simple for it to be unknown for this long and there are 100% small glitcher communities in games like this that keep sh*t to themselves.

Yeah, I saw the Chinese player's video first (in perfect English, by the way) then saw it linked to J Stone. It's hard trying to find a balance...some want to share something they find useful but then it will probably be abused by some they share it with in some way. The way some players started duping in unglitched lobbies in front of everyone is a perfect example.

 

And that's why smaller communities don't share so quickly, as you said. You can bet that by the time this got out, it was used by those smaller communities to the hilt.

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Rev. Gnash
Posted (edited)
3 hours ago, CMCSAVAGE said:

Like I said, game economies aside, the Lester glitch was way bigger. Not just by the number of people doing it, but also how it equated to purchasable currency.

 

No doubt. It required, almost no setup and anyone could do it... insane.

 

 

 

@Jason

It was the simplicity of it that made it beautiful. IMO

 

I have collected, 145+ maps and never even considered it. And if people were using this in secret, I doubt they were American or under the age of 35... because that "ain't the way folks roll".

Edited by Rev. Gnash

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BUT THE BENZ
Posted (edited)
On 7/9/2019 at 12:15 AM, Rev. Gnash said:

There was an epic glitch using treasure maps. And I mean, epic.

 

You playing possum?

must have missed  that, still got 10 maps in my satchel. 11 in a few hours, about to hit rank 140....good lord.

so yeah no idea of treasure exploits. not cheating, never. (I'm a man)

also, what exactly is possum ? RDO is my only game

 

EDIT:  used a map, @ blackboneforest, good take - 80 $ and 1.77 in gold. cool!

 

ALSO: about the whole loot thing. I noticed something. usually I carry the max amount of stuff. 20 and/or 10 of anything that fits in that invisible satchel. now, I think your loot depends on what you have in your satchel AND your "history of items used"...nahmean?! I recently accidentally used bait, then looted an enemy, I have gotten that bait straight back. same with opened gin/rum, or dynamite sticks/fire bottles. the more I use the stuff the more I get it back as loot.

in light of this, I guess I have to open up a map to find/loot a new one. anyone else seen that "item usage/item loot" pattern ?

Edited by BUT THE BENZ

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Fozzie

Collected 2 Maps so I could get their duplicates from my camp Box.

 

Civil War Map

.86 Gold

$173.68

 

Gaptooth Breach Map

1.36 Gold

$109.27

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Rev. Gnash

Bluewater Marsh

1.06 gold  $75

 

10 maps in satchel.

 

@Benz

Playing possum = playing dead

or feigning ignorance of the glitch.

You are usually, well informed. It was a little joke. 😉

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BUT THE BENZ
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ha sorry I did not "get" that. I'm around it's just that my PC died and  I can only post from my PS4, which is a chore and thus I post less. still standing still strong though... and active, at  450+ goldbars...all good.

I guess you have already stacked your 500 bars?!

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-LN-

I was a little bored, so I decided to open all six of the treasure maps that I had in my satchel. Here's what I had, what I found, and where I found it:

 

North Clingman



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1.04 gold

$79.27

Snake Oil

 

Brandywine Drop



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1.36 gold

$114.53

Health Cure

 

Lake Isabella



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1.18 gold

$46.49

Health Cure

 

Cattail Pond



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0.96 gold

$97.97

Snake Oil

 

East Watsons



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1.55 gold

$71.57

 

West Hill Haven



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1.62 gold

$123.57

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Rev. Gnash
Posted (edited)

@Benz

Reached  goal on June 27th.

 

@LN

West Hill Haven paid well.

Edited by Rev. Gnash

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Fozzie
Posted (edited)

Anyone want to attempt this and see if it helps them find more maps?

 

Edited by Fozzie

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That Guy Mike
2 hours ago, Fozzie said:

Anyone want to attempt this and see if it helps them find more maps?

 

I was doing this and found multiple hideouts/ambushes in less than an hour, yielding 2 maps.

I didn't go solo lobby, just joined in Lemoyne and fast traveled to Armadillo, then did a circuit around that whole desert area. 

May or may not help, but it seemed to me that having any carcass on the back of my horse did seem to help spawn them..

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Rev. Gnash
8 hours ago, Fozzie said:

Anyone want to attempt this and see if it helps them find more maps?

 

You need more gold? Lol.

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Red Lynx 23

Rank 165 treasure map. Cumberland Forest West. That makes three treasure maps being held onto, until a find treasure daily challenge, or bonus money and gold for maps.

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Fozzie
8 hours ago, Rev. Gnash said:

You need more gold? Lol.

Not yet, actually looted another map last night from the Ambush just outside of Strawberry

East Watsons Map, gonna hold onto it for a while so I got 14 on me atm

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DentureDynamite

Although I had to ditch a perfect Longnose Gar to give a return ride to a stranger I rescued from muggers in St. Denis, I snagged a treasure map from one of the mugger's bodies worth $144 and about ~1.5 gold.

 

Just got lucky; I rarely get that kind of thing when I play.

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4eyedcoupe

I received 3 maps in less than hour saturday.  One from a hideout, one form a stranger mission and the third for ranking up......No carcass on my horse lol

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Rev. Gnash
Posted (edited)

Random Encounter (rescue)

East Watson

Edited by Rev. Gnash

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TiberiusMcQueen
On 7/9/2019 at 6:27 PM, Jason said:

Yea GTAO being Rockstar's first real stab at a big, progression based online game is very evident. I mean the only proof you need is how easy it is to hack, it's stuff MMO devs (or MMO-lite devs) learned decades ago.

 

If they really haven't put the lessons they learned into RDO then f*cking hell. They should be easily able to tell who duped, I'm not kidding when I say it's standard stuff. So for GTAO either they're inept or don't care, both are worrying.

I'm inclined to think that it's both a lack of caring and ineptitude that's the problem, they don't care, so they don't waste their talented developers time on the project and give it to less talented and/or inexperienced devs. The actual talent is probaby more focused on GTA VI or whatever their next singleplayer game is that Take Two will use the acclaim of to sell a half assed online mode.

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Rev. Gnash

Rank 270

Cattail Pond (duplicate)

 

Cattail Pond (satchel)

1.18 gold  $109

Edited by Rev. Gnash

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Red Lynx 23

Treasure map #4 in my Satchel.

Southern Roanoke. Looted during a rescue Dynamic Event.

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Rev. Gnash

Gang Hideout (Fort Brennan)

Citadel Rock

 

Gang Hideout (Colter)

Calumet Ravine

Edited by Rev. Gnash

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