Go Team Venture Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Arthur is sick. He’s not going to get better. And try as I might, I just don’t care much about the game now. It’s not like I didn’t know he’d get killed somehow... I guessed Arthur disappearing to Fiji or some place was a slim possibility as to why he’s not mentioned in RDR1, but more than likely, I figured he’d get shot to pieces by Pinkertons or whatever. So it shouldn’t matter... But it does. I have zero motivation to level him up any more or seek out special gear with him. If I could skip to the epilogue where apparently you play as John Marston, and then just do stranger missions, I would. This storyline just stopped the game in it’s tracks for me... saintsrow, El Payaso, yeezy203 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutbuster3000 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Keep on playing. Chapter 6 is the best chapter imo YoungMoney0991, coach_wargo, Lonely-Martin and 9 others 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SM00V 0PERAT0R Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 I felt like that as soon as he got sick. Second playthough is all about finding the little stuff as Arthur. Easily missed. But yea, when it's hard to consume enough rations to keep your health up, it makes it hard to care. Killtacular and Red Lynx 23 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jje1000 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 (edited) Well in my opinion... Edited December 11, 2018 by jje1000 nicktestbranch, Edward Nashton, Blisteryship006 and 18 others 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josephene123 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 (edited) Arthur being sick brings a new perspective to the story as he looks at things from a different lens. I highly recommend playing through as many of the stranger missions as Arthur as possible. I'd imagine some wouldn't have the same impact with John as they would with a mortally sick Arthur. Edited December 11, 2018 by josephene123 coach_wargo, Nutduster, King Vercetti and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tonesta Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 (edited) I think if you're playing as deep down morally decent Arthur - then Chapter 6 has a big impact. Arthur's sickness causes him to think and reflect - and as a result, he starts seeing Dutch's rantings for the bull**** they really are; starts to understand the damage and hurt that the gang has caused through its actions; and starts to want to atone for what they've done, and save whoever can be saved, with what little time he has left. It's sad, and it's powerful. If you're playing Arthur as a raving psychopath that shoots everything that moves.....then yeah, I can see that dying of tuberculosis is a bit of a downer! I suspect that Option A is probably more canonical though....what with the name of the game and all...... Edited December 11, 2018 by Tonesta BilalKurd, Ehrmantraut, GTAgamerWyald and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokewood Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 33 minutes ago, Tonesta said: I think if you're playing as deep down morally decent Arthur - then Chapter 6 has a big impact. Arthur's sickness causes him to think and reflect - and as a result, he starts seeing Dutch's rantings for the bull**** they really are; starts to understand the damage and hurt that the gang has caused through its actions; and starts to want to atone for what they've done, and save whoever can be saved, with what little time he has left. It's sad, and it's powerful. If you're playing Arthur as a raving psychopath that shoots everything that moves.....then yeah, I can see that dying of tuberculosis is a bit of a downer! I suspect that Option A is probably more canonical though....what with the name of the game and all...... This ^ I played as a 'good guy" and chapter 6 was very emotional. I have a friend that plays as a "bad guy" and he called me when he realized he had TB (i already finished the story) and said "Now that I'm going to die, I'm taking EVERYONE with me!" It's cool how different people play the game completely differently and have a different experience. PhotomodePNG, Ehrmantraut, Nutduster and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutduster Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Some of the best parts of the story happen because Arthur is sick. Keep going, you will be rewarded. There are some stranger missions in chapter 6 that gutted me. Red Lynx 23, HockeyMike24 and King Vercetti 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cutter De Blanc Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Dying Arthur is the most badass Arthur He's like some grizzled old gunslinger HockeyMike24 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meekail Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Smokewood said: This ^ I played as a 'good guy" and chapter 6 was very emotional. I have a friend that plays as a "bad guy" and he called me when he realized he had TB (i already finished the story) and said "Now that I'm going to die, I'm taking EVERYONE with me!" It's cool how different people play the game completely differently and have a different experience. I like how some of the dialogue in chapter 6 changes depending on your honor level. It's not majorly different but you can notice the subtle differences. He doesn't even say the "But it weren't us who changed." line from the launch trailer if you had low honor. PhotomodePNG 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go Team Venture Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 12 hours ago, jje1000 said: Well in my opinion... Hahahaha exactly. The other comments regarding the new-found depth the character device adds to the storyline... Well, I definitely agree. And if they had been able to somehow pack that into the last 2-3 hours of gameplay as Arthur, I’d probably be right on board with you... It’s just that 10-12 hours of gameplay (if you’re rushing through the main story missions, according to an article I read) seems like a bit much. I guess I’m kind of an unsophisticated gamer in this capacity. I’d just like more happy-go-lucky outlaw gunslinger action. But I’ll keep an open mind... Red Lynx 23 and jje1000 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutduster Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 2 hours ago, Meekail said: I like how some of the dialogue in chapter 6 changes depending on your honor level. It's not majorly different but you can notice the subtle differences. He doesn't even say the "But it weren't us who changed." line from the launch trailer if you had low honor. Really? That's pretty cool. I kind of want to do a 2nd play with low honor, but heartbroken, sad, trying-to-do-right Arthur is so good..! Red Lynx 23 and coach_wargo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonely-Martin Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Made me fall in love with the character more, and just couldn't be a bad person while he looked to redeem himself. Such a deep story during the latter chapters. jje1000, Red Lynx 23 and UncleTacitus 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyMike24 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 I was the complete opposite as I struggled to play as John. I actually didn't play the game at all for a couple days after Arthur's story. I needed time to process everything, and I love stories that do that to me. Cutter De Blanc, Red Lynx 23, jje1000 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cutter De Blanc Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Only time I play as John is to compare the 1899 map to the 1907 one HockeyMike24 and Red Lynx 23 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josephene123 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 7 minutes ago, Cutter De Blanc said: Only time I play as John is to compare the 1899 map to the 1907 one What's different? The buildings under construction are completed, is that all? Red Lynx 23 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cutter De Blanc Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 minute ago, josephene123 said: What's different? The buildings under construction are completed, is that all? More or less. Some differences. Pronghorn Ranch doesn't exist in 1899. It'd be better suited a subject for it's own topic Red Lynx 23 and King Vercetti 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ehrmantraut Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 16 hours ago, Go Team Venture said: Arthur is sick. He’s not going to get better. And try as I might, I just don’t care much about the game now. It’s not like I didn’t know he’d get killed somehow... I guessed Arthur disappearing to Fiji or some place was a slim possibility as to why he’s not mentioned in RDR1, but more than likely, I figured he’d get shot to pieces by Pinkertons or whatever. So it shouldn’t matter... But it does. I have zero motivation to level him up any more or seek out special gear with him. If I could skip to the epilogue where apparently you play as John Marston, and then just do stranger missions, I would. This storyline just stopped the game in it’s tracks for me... Dude, Chapter 6 is art in form of videogame. If you care about great stories in games, then play it, you won't regret it. coach_wargo, Red Lynx 23, Smokewood and 1 other 4 Currently playing Polybius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meekail Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 51 minutes ago, Nutduster said: Really? That's pretty cool. I kind of want to do a 2nd play with low honor, but heartbroken, sad, trying-to-do-right Arthur is so good..! If you don't want to play it over again, here are some videos of the different dialogue https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m7tUs2VSA4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqIw1Cxmodk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHc3tqrovTk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CK1NuI6Xa-g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoulderFaceplant Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 The TB was great from a narrative point of view, but in terms of gameplay... no it wasn’t quite worth it to take Arthur away from the player. Almost, but not quite. Cutter De Blanc, saintsrow, PhotomodePNG and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTAgamerWyald Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) It's sad but I for one like the fact that there are consequences to the main character's action especially if you're being dishonorable. Chapter 6 as whole is the only part of the story I truly consider great to what is overall a very good story and the best rockstar has crafted. Edited December 12, 2018 by GTAgamerWyald Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathRo656 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 First time I heard him cough I knew he wasn't going down in a gun fight or ride off into the sunset. Had a sook for a while and then got on with the game. It did take away some of the drive to upgrade Arthur to max. saintsrow and PhotomodePNG 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killtacular Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) I know how you feel, it sucks. Id make a save right before the st denis bank job for free roam purposes once you complete the story. However it sucks you wont be able to use some end game weapons. Also some horses and pelts you need for trapper gear wont be available to you unless you glitch to traverse new austin without being harassed. Hope rockstar do something but I doubt they will. All focus will be on RDO ane single player will be neglected unless theres gamebreaking bugs Edited December 12, 2018 by Killtacular Red Lynx 23 and saintsrow 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintsrow Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 23 hours ago, Go Team Venture said: Arthur is sick. He’s not going to get better. And try as I might, I just don’t care much about the game now. It’s not like I didn’t know he’d get killed somehow... I guessed Arthur disappearing to Fiji or some place was a slim possibility as to why he’s not mentioned in RDR1, but more than likely, I figured he’d get shot to pieces by Pinkertons or whatever. So it shouldn’t matter... But it does. I have zero motivation to level him up any more or seek out special gear with him. If I could skip to the epilogue where apparently you play as John Marston, and then just do stranger missions, I would. This storyline just stopped the game in it’s tracks for me... I felt exactly the same way, but I was empathizing with Arthur at the time. After he (I) got the diagnosis, and finished an obligatory mission (the balloon surveillance of the penitentiary) and all the shooting was over, and all was quiet, I (as Arthur) just sat on my horse, at the edge of a marsh, and just looked at the scene, feeling numb, and feeling like all those life (game) goals I had, didn't matter any more. Aspiring, striving, didn't matter. Nothing mattered. What was the point, now? I sat there on my horse, motionless, until well after in-game midnight, empty, numb, devoid of motivation, wondering what the hell it all meant. And no answers came to me. There was nothing. I felt what Arthur was feeling. At least, I got that bit of emotion out of the story. However, that story arc itself basically ruined the whole anticipated future I had imagined for the game, of Arthur as a western legend, of Arthur with a happy ending. This story arc was a f*cking downer, ESPECIALLY, ESPECIALLY after two years of hype building up the game, getting us to love him, and then f*cking Rockstar yanks it all away from us. F*cking trollmasters. As people mentioned above, Chapter 6 is worth slogging to, because it's just about the only chapter with a reasonable density and diversity of missions worthy of a AAA video game. Chapter 6 is worth playing. The downside is, to get there, you have to play the first 5 chapters, which, taken together, are like being tormented for 3 real world days of a long, repetitive, frustrating, ephemeral fever dream, that you can't escape. and can't wake up from. Killtacular, Non Funkable Token and Cutter De Blanc 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutduster Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 14 hours ago, Killtacular said: Hope rockstar do something but I doubt they will. All focus will be on RDO ane single player will be neglected unless theres gamebreaking bugs What on earth are they supposed to do exactly? The story is the story. BilalKurd and josephene123 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cutter De Blanc Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 31 minutes ago, Nutduster said: What on earth are they supposed to do exactly? The story is the story. Well, being receptive to single player feedback would be a good start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutduster Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Cutter De Blanc said: Well, being receptive to single player feedback would be a good start I agree that being receptive to feedback is a good, if extremely general and vague, thing for them to do. There are certainly areas of the game that can be polished up. But again... the story is the story. They're not going to add a magic button that makes Arthur not have TB or resurrects him from the dead just so you can goof off in New Austin. If you want to play as him indefinitely, stop during chapter 4, or keep a chapter 4 save you can mess around with whenever you want. Change and death are pretty much the entire theme of the game. Asking them to let you play as healthy Arthur after the events of the story - or similarly, to not chop down the forest near Strawberry, not kill off key NPCs you like so you can still talk and do side quests with them, and so forth - is contrary to the theme of the game. Just be grateful you get to play as a different, equally beloved character in the post-game, and even inherit the most important stuff (clothes and weapons) that Arthur accumulated along the way. Edited December 12, 2018 by Nutduster Meekail, BilalKurd, Ehrmantraut and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cutter De Blanc Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Don't know about you but I play video games to have fun and relax, not to be f*cking depressed by the inevitability of death Cant-B-Faded 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutduster Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Cutter De Blanc said: Don't know about you but I play video games to have fun and relax, not to be f*cking depressed by the inevitability of death Then don't play the sequel to a game you already know to be about exactly that..? Or failing that, just goof off in the open world/online and ignore the story. God for-f*cking-bid that one game in a hundred actually try to inspire emotions in us other than "lulz PWNED." It seems like basically your feedback here is "Hey Rockstar, go back in time and make a completely different game because I don't like that the main cowboy dies." A+ criticism, sure to help them in the future. I expect patch 1.05 will rewrite the entire plot just so you don't have to feel things. Edited December 12, 2018 by Nutduster Smokewood, Ehrmantraut, BilalKurd and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
