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IKilledMyHorseAgain
13 minutes ago, JuliuszMCMXCVII said:

No, we are talking here about rdr specifically. We have no proof of it being any threat to rdr yet many in this thread assume this is a serious issue.

Thats because anyone who knows anything about the devices know how they ruin games.  You may be right, we may be jumping the gun and im not accusing anyone of anything for sure. I havnt come across anything fishy myself as of yet.  All im saying is that if Cronus is allowed to be used in RDR2, the game will be affected greatly and Rockstar should do everything in its power to limit its use. 

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Qbert

Trust me it's here. Normally I follow the backchannel sites these idiots visit to discuss various scripts but I haven't been for red dead so I'm behind, these scripts were being discussed on the cronus website which ain't good. The cronus and other devices like it can't be stopped through a free aim lobby the code is already on our systems thanks to Microsoft and Sony possibly Nintendo...mouse and keyboard functionality 

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Gallows
37 minutes ago, JuliuszMCMXCVII said:

No, we are talking here about rdr specifically. We have no proof of it being any threat to rdr yet many in this thread assume this is a serious issue.

Why would you assume it isn’t? Any kind of cheat is a menace to online gaming and people who use it to gain an advantage are low life scumbags.

12 minutes ago, Qbert said:

Trust me it's here. Normally I follow the backchannel sites these idiots visit to discuss various scripts but I haven't been for red dead so I'm behind, these scripts were being discussed on the cronus website which ain't good. The cronus and other devices like it can't be stopped through a free aim lobby the code is already on our systems thanks to Microsoft and Sony possibly Nintendo...mouse and keyboard functionality 

How do you presume it will work with freeaim, when there is no specific input that is always correct?

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JuliuszMCMXCVII
Just now, Gallows said:

Why would you assume it isn’t? Any kind of cheat is a menace to online gaming and people who use it to gain an advantage are low life scumbags.

Because a set of macros won't do the aiming for you. The advantage of the macros is miniscule.

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IKilledMyHorseAgain
51 minutes ago, JuliuszMCMXCVII said:

Because a set of macros won't do the aiming for you. The advantage of the macros is miniscule.

Not worth the argument, if you have no issue with it then thats all good my man. Not looking to convert you to a Cronus hater, to each their own but the use of one is 100% cheating. Regardless of how much an advantage you perceive it to be.

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Gallows
1 hour ago, JuliuszMCMXCVII said:

Because a set of macros won't do the aiming for you. The advantage of the macros is miniscule.

If you use lock on aiming it’s the exact same movement you need to aim for the head. For freeaim however, there is no consistent anchor to move from.

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JuliuszMCMXCVII
4 minutes ago, Gallows said:

If you use lock on aiming it’s the exact same movement you need to aim for the head. For freeaim however, there is no consistent anchor to move from.

Well, the thing is it isn't always the same. Like I mentioned earlier there is a number of factors that change the way you need to do the flick. Sure it is still easy as hell but not achievable by seting the macro imo. 

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Da Elite Ninjah
1 hour ago, Gallows said:

If you use lock on aiming it’s the exact same movement you need to aim for the head. For freeaim however, there is no consistent anchor to move from.

Not exact. Distance is a factor.

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Gallows
10 minutes ago, Da Elite Ninjah said:

Not exact. Distance is a factor.

Yes true, but the head shot registration is generous enough that at most distances within the lock on distance, it’s not a big deal. Outside the lockon distance it’s irrelevant. When you Crouch, it’s not just your head that ducks either - so does the lock on anchor. It does not matter that you have to do a tiny adjustment at specific ranges, when you’d have to do that anyway without the script.

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IKilledMyHorseAgain
2 minutes ago, Da Elite Ninjah said:

Not exact. Distance is a factor.

True but with a well set macro, all that distance does is make it where instead of someone shooting you in the forehead they shoot you in the nose which has the same end result. 

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Qbert
7 hours ago, Gallows said:

 

How do you presume it will work with freeaim, when there is no specific input that is always correct?

Because the code is already there, once the code is there it's over games screwed. Can't stand the cronus and keyboard and mouse all together, if you want to play a pc play on a pc people always want that advantage. I stopped playing ffarr because of the PC players and all their stupid bots

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Gallows
3 hours ago, Qbert said:

Because the code is already there, once the code is there it's over games screwed. Can't stand the cronus and keyboard and mouse all together, if you want to play a pc play on a pc people always want that advantage. I stopped playing ffarr because of the PC players and all their stupid bots

The code is already there? I have no idea if you are talking about mouse ot scripted autoaim. The latter will not work on freeaim with any kind of voodoo.

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Waingro

I don't know how to mod my controllers to cheat at a virtual game because I like to go outside and drink and have things to talk about with women. 

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Qbert

Read up on how things like cronus work, they take advantage of the PC code written for keyboard and mouse functionality on consoles. Even if said game removes what you call auto aim and puts only what you would call free aim in that little bit of PC code is still in our consoles.

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IKilledMyHorseAgain
13 minutes ago, Qbert said:

Read up on how things like cronus work, they take advantage of the PC code written for keyboard and mouse functionality on consoles. Even if said game removes what you call auto aim and puts only what you would call free aim in that little bit of PC code is still in our consoles.

yeah, it can do loads more than what people think about it for sure.  everyone focuses on headshots, but what about zero recoil, what about ROF, what about being able to map it to do anything whatsoever just about. Someone with coding knowledge could make it where they automatically ate a can of kidney beans when their Core got to a certain point.  There are endless things the device can accomplish. Its ruins games, period, end of story.  Most Competitive games dont allow its use in esports, why you ask, because it allows you to cheat. Anyone who denies that is a current user IMO.

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Tha-Jamz

I really hate cheats, i see glitching the same, its cheating.

I wish they would ban people who get caught for cheating forever.

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Qbert

Yeah people ask for all kinds of stupid scripts like you mentioned they could write a script to eat a thyme game minty game and oregano game all with one button press. Back in the division they wanted scripts that would eat and take medicine at the same time in survival it gets sad. People make these scripts for other's though, it seems soon scripts being used for red dead are piggybacking off the scripts already written for gta. The no recoil is huge for shooters and I believe they have a script out making people turn ghost for a brief time though it could be lag just seems odd they ghost right in front of me then unghost and shoot.

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JuliuszMCMXCVII
5 hours ago, IKilledMyHorseAgain said:

Someone with coding knowledge could make it where they automatically ate a can of kidney beans when their Core got to a certain point. 

No. No one could make such a thing. Too much bs in this thread. I'll probably end up buying cronus just to test rdr against it and see if there are any considerable vulnerabilities.

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Talisman_83
15 minutes ago, JuliuszMCMXCVII said:

No. No one could make such a thing. Too much bs in this thread. I'll probably end up buying cronus just to test rdr against it and see if there are any considerable vulnerabilities.

People already use macros on PC to EWO, take BST and refill ammo.

I registered on the Cronus forums the other day and read the post people are talking about.

There'll be guys out there who have written / will write auto-health refill scripts but just haven't posted to the forum about it.

Believe it.

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Chrismads

I believe that auto headshot is a thing.

Let me start out by trying to convince you that i aint a total newbie; I've been playing since release, yesterday I won a 32 ppl most wanted, 19K 8D. I always have a higher Kill than Death count in the showdowns.

But still I got wrecked in freeroam by some bitch that disturbed me while hunting. I didn't even see her, before I died, everytime.

Must have killed me 25 times while I got her twice. She used a Lancaster, which takes longer to get accuracy with than the bolt action and varmint I tried to defend with. But I didn't even get to lock on before my head got a new hole.

Had she used a rifle herself I would've just believed she was superior, but the Lancaster has less range than the bolt action, so I should've been able to at least lock on before dying right?

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gtmike
8 hours ago, Chrismads said:

I believe that auto headshot is a thing.

Let me start out by trying to convince you that i aint a total newbie; I've been playing since release, yesterday I won a 32 ppl most wanted, 19K 8D. I always have a higher Kill than Death count in the showdowns.

But still I got wrecked in freeroam by some bitch that disturbed me while hunting. I didn't even see her, before I died, everytime.

Must have killed me 25 times while I got her twice. She used a Lancaster, which takes longer to get accuracy with than the bolt action and varmint I tried to defend with. But I didn't even get to lock on before my head got a new hole.

Had she used a rifle herself I would've just believed she was superior, but the Lancaster has less range than the bolt action, so I should've been able to at least lock on before dying right?

I fought someone similar, although I was able to kill them numerous times. It was obvious his repeater was locking on from way too far away.

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JuliuszMCMXCVII
16 hours ago, Talisman_83 said:

People already use macros on PC to EWO, take BST and refill ammo.

I registered on the Cronus forums the other day and read the post people are talking about.

There'll be guys out there who have written / will write auto-health refill scripts but just haven't posted to the forum about it.

Believe it.

There is nothing to believe in your previous example that I was referring to. Cronus does not accept external inputs so the idea of "eating beans while the cores goes low" is just stupid. Macros just execute given sequence of controller inputs in the given time. Without any external inputs it cannot do anything more than than this. In RDR2 R* patched the quick reload glitch that was present in gta v and the EWO is now hidden deeper in the online options and requires to hold the button. These are simple fixes or game design choices that eliminate the need of macros. Again I'll state that macros won't make you better at the game. You need to already be really good to take any advantage of macros.

 

13 hours ago, Chrismads said:

I believe that auto headshot is a thing.

Let me start out by trying to convince you that i aint a total newbie; I've been playing since release, yesterday I won a 32 ppl most wanted, 19K 8D. I always have a higher Kill than Death count in the showdowns.

But still I got wrecked in freeroam by some bitch that disturbed me while hunting. I didn't even see her, before I died, everytime.

Must have killed me 25 times while I got her twice. She used a Lancaster, which takes longer to get accuracy with than the bolt action and varmint I tried to defend with. But I didn't even get to lock on before my head got a new hole.

Had she used a rifle herself I would've just believed she was superior, but the Lancaster has less range than the bolt action, so I should've been able to at least lock on before dying right?

Freemode fight differs very much from the pvp modes. Moreover a 1vs1 fight is completely different from any FFA or team based modes. Being good at showdowns does not mean you will win in 1vs1. 

 

I don't deny that macros give advantage. But the advantage we talk about here is of miniscule magnitude and is used by minority of already skilled players. I have a feeling that just some people on this forums seem to try really hard to find an excuse to thier poor pvp performance. Arguing over hitbox sizes or use of macros. I really consider getting the Cronus now just to do some proper testing myself, bust some myths and provide the results with data and gameplay.

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Chrismads
20 minutes ago, JuliuszMCMXCVII said:

Freemode fight differs very much from the pvp modes. Moreover a 1vs1 fight is completely different from any FFA or team based modes. Being good at showdowns does not mean you will win in 1vs1. 

 

I don't deny that macros give advantage. But the advantage we talk about here is of miniscule magnitude and is used by minority of already skilled players. I have a feeling that just some people on this forums seem to try really hard to find an excuse to thier poor pvp performance. Arguing over hitbox sizes or use of macros. I really consider getting the Cronus now just to do some proper testing myself, bust some myths and provide the results with data and gameplay.

But i always do well in freemode pvp as well. It wasn't that I lost, it was the way I lost and the way she killed me. Far away before I ever locked on with my superior range weapons.

True, I might've just been worse at pvp. No way to know for sure. I'm not claiming to always win, I often lose in freeroam pvp. But never like that

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Blasterman4EVER
On 12/10/2018 at 5:57 AM, Dr.Rosenthal said:

I’d rather just be good at the game, honestly, how hard is it?

 

If you need modded stuff to play a game, you just suck lol


For the love of f*ck, this and only this ^^^^^^

This thread is mustard gas.

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JuliuszMCMXCVII
1 minute ago, Chrismads said:

But i always do well in freemode pvp as well. It wasn't that I lost, it was the way I lost and the way she killed me. Far away before I ever locked on with my superior range weapons.

True, I might've just been worse at pvp. No way to know for sure. I'm not claiming to always win, I often lose in freeroam pvp. But never like that

It could have been the lag. It is the simplest answer. Throughout the first two weeks I've met a guy who was purposefully using lag to his advantage and I'm certian of that. Macros don't alter the game mechanics. 

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Talisman_83
1 hour ago, JuliuszMCMXCVII said:

There is nothing to believe in your previous example that I was referring to. Cronus does not accept external inputs so the idea of "eating beans while the cores goes low" is just stupid. Macros just execute given sequence of controller inputs in the given time. Without any external inputs it cannot do anything more than than this. In RDR2 R* patched the quick reload glitch that was present in gta v and the EWO is now hidden deeper in the online options and requires to hold the button. These are simple fixes or game design choices that eliminate the need of macros. Again I'll state that macros won't make you better at the game. You need to already be really good to take any advantage of macros.

I never said that using macros makes you good at the game.

Yes, macros execute controller inputs. I understand that Cronus uses GPC, which takes notes from C.

If you have 1 x baked beans, a script could be written to detect that and if your core is at level N then perform the sequence required to injest the can.

I write C# every day so if I put my mind to it, I'm sure I could write one.

So, it's not that stupid, is it?

1 hour ago, JuliuszMCMXCVII said:

I have a feeling that just some people on this forums seem to try really hard to find an excuse to thier poor pvp performance.

I don't use or plan to use Cronus. I have no need for it. 

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JuliuszMCMXCVII
1 minute ago, Talisman_83 said:

If you have 1 x baked beans, a script could be written to detect that and if your core is at level N then perform the sequence required to injest the can.

Really? Explain to me how would it know at which level the core is and whether I do have the beans or not and at which slot. I'm really curious to know.

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Talisman_83
37 minutes ago, JuliuszMCMXCVII said:

Really? Explain to me how would it know at which level the core is and whether I do have the beans or not and at which slot. I'm really curious to know.

1. Hold 1 x baked beans in your items.

2. Write script to lookup satchel items and check if that slot is null.

3. Create variable. Set value for full core. Set another for empty. Write function taking in those values and to check for when core level is <= full. Add boolean as result.

4. Perform button sequence to take baked beans item.

 

If we're purely talking about refilling health (not when the core value is X), which I was, then we don't even need to have step 3.

 

I've never used Cronus.

If it turns out that Cronus can't achieve this, then there's no reason to think that it can't be done with a mod menu when PC goes live.

We're talking about writing scripts to perform actions.

 

It's not that difficult pal. If you're not bright enough to do it, doesn't mean that it can't be done.

 

Edited by Talisman_83

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Chrismads
1 hour ago, JuliuszMCMXCVII said:

It could have been the lag. It is the simplest answer. Throughout the first two weeks I've met a guy who was purposefully using lag to his advantage and I'm certian of that. Macros don't alter the game mechanics. 

Sry i'm not very tech. But wouldn't lag affect both players equal?

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JuliuszMCMXCVII
41 minutes ago, Talisman_83 said:

1. Hold 1 x baked beans in your items.

2. Write script to lookup satchel items and check if that slot is null.

3. Create variable. Set value for full core. Set another for empty. Write function taking in those values and to check for when core level is <= full. Add boolean as result.

4. Perform button sequence to take baked beans item.

 

I've never used Cronus.

If it turns out that Cronus can't achieve this, then there's no reason to think that it can't be done with a mod menu when PC goes live.

We're talking about writing scripts to perform actions.

 

It's not that difficult pal. If you're not bright enough to do it, doesn't mean that it can't be done.

 

LOL, I have no issue whatsoever with undestanding such a simple algorithm. Cronus is just a well-thought-out controller modchip. It can't communicate with the console in any way since it does not execute any code within the console (and there is still a long way to go before we will see any hombrew on current gen consoles) and it can't accept any feedback from the device therefore it can't achieve such thing. All it does is just a simple remap of buttons and execution in given order. Only condition it checks is if you pressed a button on the controller or not. It is that simple. We are talking here specifically about the threaths that come with using Cronus in RDR. With the PC release it is obvious that mod menus will come so no point in even mentioning it. I don't get why people won't do at least a 5 minute research before posting here. So much bs in this thread misleading people into believing in some mighty game hacks I just can't go past it. I guess I'm not the one "not bright enough" here. 

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