Northern Monkey Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Hi, first post here so go easy on me, and apologies if this has been mentioned previously(though I have been following threads here and on reddit and can't seem to find any mention of it). Anyways on to my odd encounter: I was in the Van Horn saloon having a drink at the bar when a stranger started talking to me, he mentioned the missing princess and how loads of folk had been asking around after her recently, and something about the only princesses around here can be hired by the hour, he then walked off and I couldn't initiate any further dialogue with him. Intrigued and with nothing better to do, I followed him out the back of the saloon and this is where he starts acting odd (odd that is for a random npc) heading North down the back alley behind the saloon he then headed towards the stables but not on the road, from there he headed to the riverside still heading north before cutting on to the train tracks which he left just south of Annesburg and headed cross country around the southern edge of the town heading northwest. He crossed the Kamassa river just North of Beaver Hollow in a section of river that isn't a clear ford, still off roading he headed towards O'Creaghs Run and right past the door of Veterans cabin before heading NW up the valley of the legendary bear and then into the large railroad tunnel still heading west, unfortunately about half way through the tunnel a train came up behind us and took him out, upon searching him I found nothing unusual( a few cents and a gold watch). By the time he died he had been walking from around midnight to 4-5pm the next day, although he stopped occasionally to scratch his head as though puzzled or looking for something(he may have just been wiping his brow - which I have seen many an npc do) So my questions are has anyone encountered this npc, if so does he lead anywhere, and has anyone seen other npc's acting like this, I personally haven't seen that many npc's on foot outside of a town and then only on roads or campsites. Apologies for the wall of text, this just happened and I wanted to get the details quickly in case its of use. ten-a-penny, Ring Dang Do, King Vercetti and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cutter De Blanc Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 I encountered the man, but didn't follow him, as I was getting drunk at the time. Figured he was another one of them people who strikes up a conversation when you go to get a drink. Like the guy in Saint Denis who assumes you're someone's driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eram Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Princess's sh*ts aside, that's (yet) another awesome gamestory dude and certainly well detailed and pinpointed by you. Thks for sharing it and, imho, kinda debunking the need to follow that dude.... BilalKurd and Deadman2112 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadman2112 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 (edited) @Northern Monkey Hmmm interesting Nice observation. I followed him but no further then the river side Maybe tomorrow I'll load up an older save and see if I get the same results. Edited December 10, 2018 by Deadman2112 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Vercetti Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 That's really intriguing. I hadn't come across this guy at all, but I'll go back and see if I can run into him next time I'm in the area. I don't know if it's significant or not, but what chapter were you in when you found him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpjkee Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 I haven't seen the guy, but her missing poster is on the front of the saloon in Van Horn. You can take it down and keep it. King Vercetti and BilalKurd 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Monkey Posted December 12, 2018 Author Share Posted December 12, 2018 50 minutes ago, King Vercetti said: That's really intriguing. I hadn't come across this guy at all, but I'll go back and see if I can run into him next time I'm in the area. I don't know if it's significant or not, but what chapter were you in when you found him? This was on my second playthrough, Chapter 3 Deadman2112 and King Vercetti 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabalous Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 That's a long hike, more likely for no reason! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ring Dang Do Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 I followed him for a bit last night and tried to stay as hidden as possible. He did the same route you mentioned at first but then he turned around near the abandoned railway station and started heading back towards Van horn. He started to head towards the fence and my heart was thumping ha but he only made it as far as the post office then walked through there and then headed back out of van horn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Display Name Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) This mystery has been solved. Look at this picture. Sadly, there's no satisfying conclusion to this mystery, but it is what it is. Keep in mind that none of the protagonists actually give a damn about that missing princess. When they see the poster they say nothing, when they listen to the campfire men who tells you about her they say nothing no matter if you choose "respond positively" or "respond negatively". They don't even care about that toy box! Clearly its meant to be this way. Edited December 12, 2018 by Display Name Jabalous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ring Dang Do Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 29 minutes ago, Display Name said: This mystery has been solved. Look at this picture. Sadly, there's no satisfying conclusion to this mystery, but it is what it is. Keep in mind that none of the protagonists actually give a damn about that missing princess. When they see the poster they say nothing, when they listen to the campfire men who tells you about her they say nothing no matter if you choose "respond positively" or "respond negatively". They don't even care about that toy box! Clearly its meant to be this way. You have no proof that it is her. What facts are you basing this on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Display Name Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, Ring Dang Do said: You have no proof that it is her. What facts are you basing this on? Her choker and hair are the same, face structure is similar and she has a birthmark on her left cheek. Edited December 12, 2018 by Display Name Hetraet and Cutter De Blanc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ring Dang Do Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Display Name said: Her choker and hair are the same, face structure is similar and she has a birthmark on her left cheek. So you are telling me a girl in her 20s can still wear the same choker she wore when she was 5? Where is the birthmark on her hand? Deadman2112 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Display Name Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Ring Dang Do said: So you are telling me a girl in her 20s can still wear the same choker she wore when she was 5? Where is the birthmark on her hand? Her choker is very distinguishable on that poster, so whoever was modelling her probably thought that this would be a good clue. Her hand textures are super muddy and low resolution so its impossible to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ring Dang Do Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Just now, Display Name said: Her choker is very distinguishable on that poster, so whoever was modelling her probably thought that this would be a good clue. Her hand textures are super muddy and low resolution so its impossible to see. There is countless woman in the game wearing chokers. If you look at the poster it looks like she has some sort of pearl necklace on as well, where had that gone then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Display Name Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Ring Dang Do said: There is countless woman in the game wearing chokers. If you look at the poster it looks like she has some sort of pearl necklace on as well, where had that gone then? Her pearl necklace is gone, but she has the same locket. Maybe pearl necklace was expensive and whoever kidnapped her sold it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Monkey Posted December 12, 2018 Author Share Posted December 12, 2018 Whilst their is no denying that they share some similarities, I don't think this is the missing princess myself. one argument against being that the photo from the missing poster is unlikely to show her as she appeared on the day she went missing, therefore the choker and hairstyle similarities would be irrelevant, secondly, why when she is clearly not restrained and hangs around next to a poster of herself, has she not simply handed herself in, or one of the locals not noticed the similarities and handed her in for the reward? I'm leaning towards her being a red herring, I personally don't think the princess will be found alive, or these apparent clues are remnants of pulled content, still its fun looking Ring Dang Do 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAS_Intruder Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Actually that girl on the photo does look very similar to girl in the saloon. It is not just the choker but birthmark on left cheek and same hairstyle are so far best proofs we have at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FUZZYBUNNY29 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 my first guess: okay this is a long stretch but recently i have played the game and i found the gang brothers near black water killing people and when you do the mission, you first pick up the first poster in black water at the sheriffs station and you go hunting for him once you do that he tells you that they didn't mean to kill the little girl!!???? this is huge!!!!! someone please tell me that im on to something here? ALSO!!! if you go to black water to the sheriffs office right across the street is a fairy landing now this fairy landing says on the poster near the wall facing the road it says departures are made daily and at only black water! so i think that the brother killed the little girl when they found her with the weird blonde haired people in the forest? the real truth now is.....where is the body?????? O.o my second guess: okay so in the game not sure if its in chapter 2 or 3? there is a mission about going into a cave and getting a girl out of a cage surrounded by a guy that come after you with a huge knife and will kill you in one swing -_- once you find the girl and take her back you end up in the coal town just above van horn???? is this a coincidence???? i think not!!!! i went back to try to find her but she wasn't there i think that this also could be her? im not sure but someone on this forum will go hunting so please YouTube this! i want results!!!!!! i cant do this myself because i dont have a lot of time during the day so someone please YouTube this so i can watch it later ^_^ as of right now i have no leads but im sure this community will figure out the rest HAPPY HUNTING! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Lazarus Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 I love looking at the pieces to this quest. I wish Rockstar would hook them back up in some DLC. It's obviously just a quest they developed then unhooked at the end of production for either scheduling or quality reasons. There's no real deeper published official Rockstar thing they're trying to do here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadman2112 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 (edited) @FUZZYBUNNY29 I remember the girl in the cage that gets rescued from the hill folk. I also remember taking a good look at her face and I'm pretty sure, it's not her. Side note... I will add that I went and had a good look at the woman in Van Horn and I'm not convinced she is the princess. I'm not saying I know this definitely, but... The princess would be 20 and that woman looks a lot older and even appears to have wrinkles. Also the birth mark on the woman In Van Horn looks more like make up to me. In an effort to get a better look at her I shot her, then carried her body out of town and had a real good look at her face in the bright sunlight and that woman is much older than 20. Then you meet several NPC's across the map who are also looking for her, and one of them talks to you about her in that very bar. Not sure about the rest of you but, she was in the bar at the time he was talking to me about it but yet he didn't recognize her while she was only 5 feet from him? Sorry but that just doesn't make sense if the woman in Van Horn were really her. Basically what I'm getting at is the guy was only 5 feet from the very person he's in search of, yet I (the player) can have 2 bandannas, a mask, a heavy coat, and ride a stolen horse, then rob someone and they can still Identify me at a glance? lol that's funny. Also consider the following... During Cleopatra's reign there are historical stories about prostitutes that would dress up like her as a fantasy kink for the men they were trying to attract. Hell, from what I hear you can now go to Vegas and get this very service and have a night with a fake Marilyn Monroe if that's what your into. Based on all of that... I think the women in Van Horn is just a prostitute dressed up like the princess offering a fantasy for men who come looking for her. Edited March 29, 2019 by Deadman2112 Boozey St John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JupeShot92 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 On 12/12/2018 at 9:58 PM, Display Name said: This mystery has been solved. Look at this picture. Sadly, there's no satisfying conclusion to this mystery, but it is what it is. Keep in mind that none of the protagonists actually give a damn about that missing princess. When they see the poster they say nothing, when they listen to the campfire men who tells you about her they say nothing no matter if you choose "respond positively" or "respond negatively". They don't even care about that toy box! Clearly its meant to be this way. I think this is definitely her. She's the only character in the game that has that exact hairstyle and all the evidence points to her being in Van Horn. People have been turning the game upside-down looking for her since launch and they've found nothing. Some people think she looks too old to be her but thats just because the pedestrian character models look really rough in this game. Nobody wants to believe it's her because they want there to be a secret quest and maybe a reward at the end but in reality Rockstar didn't put as much effort in to this mystery as people think they did. I think it's just supposed to be a little easter egg to add some flavor to Van horn since nothing really important or interesting happens there. I hope I'm wrong though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance_Vance89 Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 (edited) On 3/31/2019 at 7:29 AM, JupeShot92 said: I hope I'm wrong though. Your definitely not wrong. If you're wrong I will upload a video where I eat my shoes. Edited April 2, 2019 by Lance_Vance89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest176525326 Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 On 3/28/2019 at 8:12 PM, a z said: I love looking at the pieces to this quest. I wish Rockstar would hook them back up in some DLC. It's obviously just a quest they developed then unhooked at the end of production for either scheduling or quality reasons. There's no real deeper published official Rockstar thing they're trying to do here. Rockstar and DLC shouldn’t be mentioned in the same sentence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadman2112 Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 (edited) @JupeShot92 I get what your saying but the age is so off it's not even funny. Mary Beth is about the right age and they didn't make that characters model look old. Then, there's no birth mark on her hand and the mark on her face looks like make-up or dirt over wrinkles. I have a video of a close up of both her face and hands. I can tell you there is absolutely nothing on her hands. The wanted poster says bring her to any sheriff's office. I've kidnapped her several times now and as soon as you walk in the door, you get a wanted level, if you don't get one before you ever make it inside. Not being combative, just curious... How do you explain the hands, Mary Beth's model looking like a person in their early 20's, and the fact that you gain a wanted level from turning in that specific NPC if this assumption is correct? In the event it is her, (although I'm highly doubtful at this point) there still should be a way to resolve or concluded it. Just thinking out loud here but I've noticed that there is a dead coyote in this place at one point in the game. When you see it, there is a dog barking at several vultures by the dead coyote. Could this be a hint to something? I only ask because of the imagery presented at the end of the game and how it directly corresponds to your horror level The idea that that NPC is the missing princess, don't hold water IMO. Edited April 10, 2019 by Deadman2112 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadman2112 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 (edited) Here you go. This is for anyone interested in this mystery and especially the folks that think this NPC is the missing princess. Just my opinion but... If this NPC is in-fact the missing princess, then R* massively dropped the ball on this one, and the person who modeled this NPC blew it. And before anyone says... "You simply can't see the marks on her hand." Then I urge you to take a close look at Mary Beth's hand because there are clearly birthmarks on her right hand, but she has far to many freckles to see if there is a birthmark on her left cheek, but she is definitely the right age. Arthur even mentions that she is about 20 during a camp conversation. I'm not saying it's Mary Beth until there is more proof but she is definitely a far better fit than that old NPC. Edited August 21, 2019 by Deadman2112 DuPz0r 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.GameChanger Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 (edited) Hello Everyone. I just recently decided to try my hand at solving this or helping with solving this Missing persons case. Okay so first let me say that. I am not a hardcore completionist. But games like Rdr. Skyrim. San Andres, etc. I like to explore the world and and find all the little hidden things I can. I think i got the habit from playing Zelda OOT back in the day lmao. Anywayz lets get started. I have been reading everyone's comments and theories. watching videos. and reading sites like this to pull as much info as I can.......... Sadly. We are where we are with it but I believe i can help steer us in the right direction. So what I like to do first is, establish a chain on continuity. Since I first heard about this case from the post in van horn. I'm going to assume for this theory that you are MENT TO START there. I know about the NPC encounter pointing you to van horn as well. and yes I would say that is actually the first step to this. however that is a chance encounter which i personally have never run into. (I don't need to know how, I like to find events organically.) Lets talk about her toy chest shall we..... I see dam near everyone assuming... for some reason. that the kidnapper/kidnappers. Abducted a five yr old PRINCESS. and was able to get away without being spotted. No guards, no parents, no other children, no nothing. The brother comes in at this point but hold that thought. all while carrying a small child in one hand and a heavy chest in the other......doesn't make much sense to me. Also I don't remember if Arthur can find the chest back in 1899. or if its only there in 1907 but thats a hugh detail that people don't take into account. As well as the condition of the chest it's self. Look at the town. every single building. is run down. beat up. dirty. The fence is no different. you go into his store and look around and he has pretty old stuff. Except for the chest. This is why it's very important to know if arthur can see it as well if he visits the fence in van horn before the endgame. The reason why i say that is because I believe the chest was actually just giving to the fence. in either 1899 or 1907. or in the years between. depending on if arthur can find the chest or not. This tells me a few things. One: There is a clue hidden in the van horn area, (Not the town itself) but around the area. I say that because they choose this fence to sell her toys too. further south and you might as well hit saint denis, any further west and you might as well hit emerald. Also real quick, alot of people think the fence may have her upstairs. because of the stairs, but people trust me. thats nothing special. The devs just put stairs there to indicate where he lays his head at. He lives upstairs. which would not be open to the general public in real life sooo........ Two: its not anybody in town. I say this because how would it even be possible for one of those females in van horn to be the princess, look at her missing poster for years and not have anything to say about it at all. Thats not Rockstar! Three: The princess/and or associates are still alive. I say this because. The condition of her toys. There are in perfect shape. After 15+ yrs. impossible unless you cared about those toys personally. Keep in mind this is the late 1800's. Porcelain doll's were very expensive around this time. Like super expensive. so much so that no petty criminal would upkeep and hold on to them for 15 yrs. plus. knowing he or she could make bank off of them. more than likely this is saying that she. or people close to her "Recently" traded this in to the fence. Note: The fact that the fence has nothing to say about the chest is very odd to me. The whole town knows about this missing princess. Yet the one person with an actual clue doesn't even mention the princess. or the chest and toys. in HIS shop or people questioning him about it. thats odd to me. it's almost as if he doesn't even know its in the store so I would almost think this might be a broken or incomplete quest. For just that fact alone! The best coarse of action would be finding out. where this "Hunting lodge" is once i know where to start looking im sure i can find some more close. to help with this case. I literally just jump into missing person mission but ill be continuing the search all day today please help Update one: Rdr online takes place before the main story. I say that because. I hopped online and went to check if the toy chest was there and it was. Also, upon further study. the dolls actually look like potato sack dolls. not Porcelain. which is perplexing because why would a duchess/princess be giving such cheap toys. either its an oversight by rockstar and im looking to much into it, or the toys are from after the kidnapping!! I would almost say that the toys and chest were sold off after yrs of the princess being mission. however it bothers me that in that whole time (15yrs more or less) The fence was never able to sell it off. and i stick by my opinion that the chest was just sold to him prior to the single player campaign even before online but in the same year. look at the toy chest and look at literally anything else in that room. everything else has aged with time. dust has collected. but not the toy chest. nor any of the toys on or around it. which is odd, if you consider that the fence says he got it from a shipweck. I will say that, when he says that I'm not clear if he's actually referencing the chest or just general audio Another thing rockstar has left alot of interiors open in online. however no matter the angle, i've tried every window around the fence the top windows are cookie cuts....jpgs....there is nothing special upstairs. now i dont know the exact year of online but i assume its 1899 still but even further before the main story. whats odd to me is I went to check on the MAN-BEAR-PIG and its completely gone. as if the scientist has not started working on the creature yet. at first i thought rockstar just removed the asset in online because it was not needed, but upon a second look, the entire room is cleaned. well more then it is when you discover it in the single play. So that tells me the scientist has not started with his experiment just yet. Odd!!! Update Two: There has been another IKZ Toy chest found!!!!!!!!!! There is an additional toy chest in online mode. infact it spawns at your personal camp!!?? Rockstar is working this case. They definitly want us to continue investigating the missin persons. I am curious as to why Rockstar would put a chest in online.....at your camp. I don't know if its suppose to signify that we as the player character are looking for her in lore. Trying to claim the reward money so we have the chest to signify that. Maybe she becomes a friend of the camp like cripps and she becomes part of our "CREW" I do think maybe all the pieces havent been put into the game just yet. I almost feel like they have a grand scheme with this one and we will have to keep a keen eye out for the breadcrumbs they choose to "Dripfeed" us. Still There has been some alarming details found in the online mode. because as far as I can tell, Online takes place, before single player. If you have any imformation or just general theories anything is apprieciate, MT childad had us stumped but we will solve this one! I actually just thought of something. Some people speculate that maybe Angelo Bronte might have something to do with the missing princess.... Which is very curious to me because. If any of you played the online mode. you would know most of the interiors are enterable. Most!! Actually one of the only places you can't go into is Angelo Bronte's mansion. The doors are completely locked, however if you manage to get onto the second floor balcony. and break the window to the right, you can actually climb inside and have a lil bit of a look around the place. I though it was weird at first because just down the street from there, is the mayors mansion. which is open to the public. why lock this one house? The same house who belongs to a man we know is involved with abducting children, as seen with jack. but even further if you remember that he has employed young boys to spy around saint denis for him, runs lil schemes and such. This man is obvisously involved in some matter. and like I have stated before. Online takes place before single player. So Bronte is still alive. He has not been killed by dutch and the boys in online mode. No one of the reasons I though it may be locked is because, rockstar might have something planned with bringing bronte into the online story and having our player character met or even work for bronte in some capacity. But now that you can find another IKZ toy chest at your camp. and the fact that they might, at some point introduce bronte in the online modes story. Has my brain going mad with questions. One more thing. On top of the chest found inside online mode, sits a banjo. A banjo?? Our online player never playes a banjo. Nor does Cripps so why a banjo??? Well there is someone I can think of who does play a banjo. Who is in the area the princess went mission, and would have the mentality to carry out this hellish crime. The banjo man from butcher creek!!?? Butcher creek is a place in the game that just has a creepy vibe, especially at night when you stroll through there. the people are going through some sort of demonic possesion as evidence of a glowing pentagram that can be found under a burnt down cabin in there shanty town at night between 4 and 5 I believe. I actually have not checked to see if this still works online. come to think of it. however I dough rockstar could have a time sensitive event such as this on the online lobby. but I will go check either way. I will keep you posted on my findings. Good hunting! Edited August 1, 2019 by Mr.GameChanger Update Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadman2112 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 (edited) On 4/1/2019 at 11:47 PM, Lance_Vance89 said: Your definitely not wrong. If you're wrong I will upload a video where I eat my shoes. So is this video available yet? lol I'll even like and subscribe for that one If you need a little Louisiana hot sauce to put on that, let me know I'll send you some... Edited January 27, 2020 by Deadman2112 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cutter De Blanc Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 thank you mario but our princess is in another castle what kinda name is zinsmeister anyway Deadman2112 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance_Vance89 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 5 hours ago, Deadman2112 said: So is this video available yet? lol I'll even like and subscribe for that one If you need a little Louisiana hot sauce to put on that, let me know I'll send you some... Where's the proof that it's not just supposed to be a little easter egg to add some flavor to Van horn since nothing really important or interesting happens there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
