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HockeyMike24

Let's talk horses

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Cozama

Mobile, but not finding any edit options. Thanks for the tip. And again, sorry I’m an unqualified poster. 

 

Thought I’d post my thoughts on the topic. By way of background, I’m level 159, UE owner who owns 5 fully bonded horses and uses the Nacogdoches saddle :

 

Black Arabian, M, (Shadow Moon)

 

amber Missouri Fox Trotter, M, (Mr. Wednesday)

 

Reverse Dapple Roan Nakota,F, (Siouxnami)

 

White Arabian, F, (Hippolyta)

 

Chestnut Thoroughbred, F, (UE Horse)(Shadowmare)

 

The Arabians have 9 speed and acceleration with the “Naco” saddle and the others all have 10 speed and 8 acceleration similarly equipped. Then there’s health and stamina, higher for the Arabians and Trotter, tsomewhat less so for the other two.

 

I’ve ridden and raced (and won and placed) with all of these horses pretty extensively and could be happy with anyone of them as my only horse if needed. I have no experience with the turkoman as it’s speed and acceleration stats are a bit low for my taste, so I can’t speak to it. I’m going to give my take on speed, courage, acceleration and handling. Hopefully it provides some insight to any who have questions about these. Also, to be clear, I’ve not done any time comparisons or other “scientific” studies, I have no data. Everything that follows is just my opinion after spending many hours doing just about everything imaginable in game on each mount. 

 

When it comes to top speed, I’ve not seen a whole lot of difference between the 5 above with the Naco saddle. I’ve heard that things have been “normalized” or essentially that  stats have been damped down(at least in the high end horses) so that the differences between breeds is less noticeable. Again, I can’t speak to how other horses act or perform, these are the only ones I’ve used. What I can say is that in spending hours running around  with posse members with those less expensive horses, I’m often not as far ahead as is I’d have expected to be. Of course, terrain, skill and other factors could contribute to this in any given sprint from A to B, but all in all, it seems like top speed is not a big factor if comparing these five. 

 

As for acceleration, I feel that matters. In my experience, there is a noticeable difference between the Arabians and the others. Maybe it’s placebo, but it just seems that when I use an Arabian for a while and switch to a non Arabian, in notice a difference when hop on and haul ass away. It feels a little sluggish. And not the, “I’ve been stable too long and my core is depleted sluggish”; even when cores are full, it feels like the non Arabians are step behind. This becomes important because we don’t spend a lot of time running in a straight line. My understanding is that even slight inputs on the left joystick will slow a horse requiring it to accelerate if any speed is lost. Thus, i tend to value acceleration over speed. 

 

For those who play GTA, think about the Akuma vs the Batti. The batti has better speed but I almost always had better lap times in races on an akuma because a) it’s able to get back up to speed after a turn and b) the batti never has time or space to bring its top speed advantage to bear on any one section of track. 

 

When it comes to courage, the Trotter clearly has the edge. When wolves attack, he doesn’t really care until all three get right under him and the maybe he bolts, but doesn’t throw me. Still it’s not like the other 4 bolt at the first sign of trouble, only if it gets to close, but they’ll also drop you if you wait too long. So while it might get a little dicey riding through Lagras on those 4, i have to be a little more aware and maybe use a little more Eagle eye keep space between you and the gators, it’s not like it’s impossible. 

 

As for handling, I’m not really even sure what that means, but here’s my take. I feel like the Arabians, with elite handling, feel a little more responsive at times to my inputs, feel like they turn tighter and and navigate rocky ledges better than others and jump over obstacles more easily, with the race handling thoroughbred and nakota performing a little less so and the standard handling Fox Trotter obviously being the “clumsiest” of the five. I will say that the Fox Trotter stood almost straight up on its back legs (likes a bid dog with paws on owners shoulders) with it front hooves on a rock and then jumped up on the rock, while I was riding. It was remarkable. All in all, i feel these differences are slight and may not even exist, maybe it’s in my head.  All of them have run into trees and fallen off of ledges and hills, so IMO, there’s no clear cut advantage one way or the other as with acceleration or courage. 

 

Another thing I consider is horse height. The Arabians and Nakota are shorter than the Trotter and Thoroughbred. While in real life, this could certainly affect handling, I’d guess that’s all baked into the handling stat. But to the extent that height plays into how one sees (a target)or is seen (as a target) this could be a factor in determining utility. 

 

As I said before, I’d be happy with any of the 5 I listed as my main horse.

If asked to pick only one to keep, I’d go with the black Arabian, though the Fox Trotter comes in a close second. For me it comes down to acceleration, size and maybe handling. The white Arabian is pretty much the same as the black one, less health and stamina, but still a great horse. Meanwhile the Nakota and thoroughbred have very similar stats and handling, but the Thoroughbred is a bigger horse. As I said, they’re all great horses as I’m sure others I’ve not mentioned are. This is just my (non-scientific) take on my horses for what it’s worth. I welcome others to offer their takes on their experience as well as what I’ve said above.


 

There it is, nice and legible. Long, sure, but legible. Thanks LN. 

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Mad-Monkey_1st
9 minutes ago, Cozama said:

Mobile, but not finding any edit options. Thanks for the tip. And again, sorry I’m an unqualified poster. 

 

Thought I’d post my thoughts on the topic. By way of background, I’m level 159, UE owner who owns 5 fully bonded horses and uses the Nacogdoches saddle :

 

Black Arabian, M, (Shadow Moon)

 

amber Missouri Fox Trotter, M, (Mr. Wednesday)

 

Reverse Dapple Roan Nakota,F, (Siouxnami)

 

White Arabian, F, (Hippolyta)

 

Chestnut Thoroughbred, F, (UE Horse)(Shadowmare)

 

The Arabians have 9 speed and acceleration with the “Naco” saddle and the others all have 10 speed and 8 acceleration similarly equipped. Then there’s health and stamina, higher for the Arabians and Trotter, tsomewhat less so for the other two.

 

I’ve ridden and raced (and won and placed) with all of these horses pretty extensively and could be happy with anyone of them as my only horse if needed. I have no experience with the turkoman as it’s speed and acceleration stats are a bit low for my taste, so I can’t speak to it. I’m going to give my take on speed, courage, acceleration and handling. Hopefully it provides some insight to any who have questions about these. Also, to be clear, I’ve not done any time comparisons or other “scientific” studies, I have no data. Everything that follows is just my opinion after spending many hours doing just about everything imaginable in game on each mount. 

 

When it comes to top speed, I’ve not seen a whole lot of difference between the 5 above with the Naco saddle. I’ve heard that things have been “normalized” or essentially that  stats have been damped down(at least in the high end horses) so that the differences between breeds is less noticeable. Again, I can’t speak to how other horses act or perform, these are the only ones I’ve used. What I can say is that in spending hours running around  with posse members with those less expensive horses, I’m often not as far ahead as is I’d have expected to be. Of course, terrain, skill and other factors could contribute to this in any given sprint from A to B, but all in all, it seems like top speed is not a big factor if comparing these five. 

 

As for acceleration, I feel that matters. In my experience, there is a noticeable difference between the Arabians and the others. Maybe it’s placebo, but it just seems that when I use an Arabian for a while and switch to a non Arabian, in notice a difference when hop on and haul ass away. It feels a little sluggish. And not the, “I’ve been stable too long and my core is depleted sluggish”; even when cores are full, it feels like the non Arabians are step behind. This becomes important because we don’t spend a lot of time running in a straight line. My understanding is that even slight inputs on the left joystick will slow a horse requiring it to accelerate if any speed is lost. Thus, i tend to value acceleration over speed. 

 

For those who play GTA, think about the Akuma vs the Batti. The batti has better speed but I almost always had better lap times in races on an akuma because a) it’s able to get back up to speed after a turn and b) the batti never has time or space to bring its top speed advantage to bear on any one section of track. 

 

When it comes to courage, the Trotter clearly has the edge. When wolves attack, he doesn’t really care until all three get right under him and the maybe he bolts, but doesn’t throw me. Still it’s not like the other 4 bolt at the first sign of trouble, only if it gets to close, but they’ll also drop you if you wait too long. So while it might get a little dicey riding through Lagras on those 4, i have to be a little more aware and maybe use a little more Eagle eye keep space between you and the gators, it’s not like it’s impossible. 

 

As for handling, I’m not really even sure what that means, but here’s my take. I feel like the Arabians, with elite handling, feel a little more responsive at times to my inputs, feel like they turn tighter and and navigate rocky ledges better than others and jump over obstacles more easily, with the race handling thoroughbred and nakota performing a little less so and the standard handling Fox Trotter obviously being the “clumsiest” of the five. I will say that the Fox Trotter stood almost straight up on its back legs (likes a bid dog with paws on owners shoulders) with it front hooves on a rock and then jumped up on the rock, while I was riding. It was remarkable. All in all, i feel these differences are slight and may not even exist, maybe it’s in my head.  All of them have run into trees and fallen off of ledges and hills, so IMO, there’s no clear cut advantage one way or the other as with acceleration or courage. 

 

Another thing I consider is horse height. The Arabians and Nakota are shorter than the Trotter and Thoroughbred. While in real life, this could certainly affect handling, I’d guess that’s all baked into the handling stat. But to the extent that height plays into how one sees (a target)or is seen (as a target) this could be a factor in determining utility. 

 

As I said before, I’d be happy with any of the 5 I listed as my main horse.

If asked to pick only one to keep, I’d go with the black Arabian, though the Fox Trotter comes in a close second. For me it comes down to acceleration, size and maybe handling. The white Arabian is pretty much the same as the black one, less health and stamina, but still a great horse. Meanwhile the Nakota and thoroughbred have very similar stats and handling, but the Thoroughbred is a bigger horse. As I said, they’re all great horses as I’m sure others I’ve not mentioned are. This is just my (non-scientific) take on my horses for what it’s worth. I welcome others to offer their takes on their experience as well as what I’ve said above.


 

There it is, nice and legible. Long, sure, but legible. Thanks LN. 

BUT they all have the same top speed LOL its broken ha Ha The only real stats that work are stamina with good saddles and the often talked about hidden stat that is "temperament and that in this game is key, especially around predator animale where the Trotter and Turkoman are kings.

 

Racing tight twisty course the Arabians hold there speed in corners without scrubbing it off like others do, On long fast runs Nokata and Trotter should fair better but as all top horses speed is the same it dont really matter given the same saddle.

 

I have owned just about all but the low specced heavies and some of the higher priced specced ones feel faster than others but thats down to the game engine, run any side by side as we have hundreds of times and you will see.

 

Dont expect even the best Nokato or Thoroughbread to be good hunting horse get then near a gator and you will have your hands full lol or your arse in the mud soon to be eaten 

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Pocket Fox

Just want more coats!

 

Need an all white Turk and an all black Turk. The same coat colours as the Arabians.

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rae_97

^ And the ability to change the markings on our horses, too. I'm sick of the majority of the horses having either four socks and a blaze or no socks and a blaze.

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Mad-Monkey_1st
32 minutes ago, Pocket Fox said:

Just want more coats!

 

Need an all white Turk and an all black Turk. The same coat colours as the Arabians.

Or a Black and white Trotter same as Micah in single player mode 

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Red Lynx 23
18 hours ago, Mad-Monkey_1st said:

Or a Black and white Trotter same as Micah in single player mode 

I'm curious about some of the other horses in Singleplayer. Dutch's horse "Silverdollar" for example.

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Leftover Pizza
Posted (edited)
23 hours ago, Pocket Fox said:

Just want more coats!

 

Need an all white Turk and an all black Turk. The same coat colours as the Arabians.

 

We need a GTA style recolour menu for horses, saddles, saddlebags, blankets, bedrolls and stirrups too. I'm not planning on buying a Nagocdoches saddle twice, because the first one doesn't fit the new horse colour, or because I picked the wrong one first.

 

Also, when buying a saddle, I'd like to see how it really fits on the horse, and not only the small partion of its back. Heck! Show us how it looks with the rider next to it too!

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Jason
11 minutes ago, Leftover Pizza said:

Also, when buying a saddle, I'd like to see how it really fits on the horse, and not only the small partion of its back. Heck! Show us how it looks with the rider next to it too!

This is a problem with your character clothing as well and the problem dates back to GTAO lmao. Buying a jacket in GTAO for 10k then realising it's got a giant sh*tty logo on the back you didn't see when buying it.

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Leftover Pizza
21 minutes ago, Jason said:

This is a problem with your character clothing as well and the problem dates back to GTAO lmao. Buying a jacket in GTAO for 10k then realising it's got a giant sh*tty logo on the back you didn't see when buying it.

 

If only stables would work like the office auto workshops, but a tiny bit better, as in, get off your horse while customizing colours, so one can see the results before paying for it. 

Customize every element first, check, and pay when leaving the stables. Don't pay when leaving? No customizing is done. It can be so easy.

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Pocket Fox

Both RDRO and GTAO need a CART!

 

So you can add items, see how they look and then go YES, BUY!

 

Or no, don't buy. Swap out some items for something else, then buy.

 

I buy a blue and white jacket, then I buy blue and white pants.... both different colours of blue so they don't work together.....  FFS!!!!

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5.7
14 hours ago, Red Lynx 23 said:

I'm curious about some of the other horses in Singleplayer. Dutch's horse "Silverdollar" for example.

The count, is horse of, Dutch.

silverdollar, is horse of, Hosea.

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aFinn
Posted (edited)

When Perlino Andalusian came out I got it but it caused my Amber Fox Trotter to have red cores. Couple days ago I discarded the Perlino and got another horse. Today I brought out my Amber Fox Trotter from the stables and it was fixed.

 

A friend tried this as they had a Black Arabian with red cores and getting rid of the Perlino fixed their Black Arabian's red cores.

 

Another friend however never got the Perlino, but they had bought another horse after the title update 1.09 which they discarded a few days ago and that fixed the red cores. It needs to confirmed but atm looks like the first horse you bought after title update 1.09 May 14th is the cause of the red cores bug?!?

 

Of course don't discard expensive horse to test this in case it doesn't work for you, wait for R* to fix it, but it did work for 3 of us.

But I understand there are people with red cores horse even before that update??

 

EDIT: To add the second friend who had bought the random horse bough a Black Arabian afterwards and it sufferend from red cores couple days later. Then later bough Amber Fox Trotter which cured her Black Arabian, but the Amber had red cores right away.

But her Amber was fixed when she discarded the random horse to buy another horse.

 

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Fox in a Box

Been using the Blue Roan Nokota ever since I hit rank 30 and LOVE it, especially once I finally unlocked the Nacodoches saddle.

 

Just recently hit 43, is it worth upgrading to a Leopard Appaloosa? Kinda like that dalmatian look.

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Mad-Monkey_1st
1 hour ago, Fox in a Box said:

Been using the Blue Roan Nokota ever since I hit rank 30 and LOVE it, especially once I finally unlocked the Nacodoches saddle.

 

Just recently hit 43, is it worth upgrading to a Leopard Appaloosa? Kinda like that dalmatian look.

It’s your money but I do have a soft spot for that spotty Appaloosa it’s got stamina and health stats to match a Trotter and it’s better with predators than the Nikita I’ve owned on main acc and just getting the bonding up on 2nd acc will keep it on this acc 

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SAS_Intruder

Anyone has preferences between Paint or Appaloosa?  I like both but can only afford one and I am really having hard time making a decision.  I have Tennessee and Arabian  (gift) so far. I don't like behavior of my Arabian but Tennessee is decent. 

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Mad-Monkey_1st
3 hours ago, SAS_Intruder said:

Anyone has preferences between Paint or Appaloosa?  I like both but can only afford one and I am really having hard time making a decision.  I have Tennessee and Arabian  (gift) so far. I don't like behavior of my Arabian but Tennessee is decent. 

Leopard Appaloosa is very good horse “ do you have gold” lol “ that’s only available with gold” lol 

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SAS_Intruder

I only have good that I got through missions etc, but I am not giving them any of that. So I am looking at entry level Paint vs entry level Appaloosa . So many cute horses but so little space in stable.

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Leftover Pizza
36 minutes ago, SAS_Intruder said:

I only have good that I got through missions etc, but I am not giving them any of that. So I am looking at entry level Paint vs entry level Appaloosa . So many cute horses but so little space in stable.

 

I don't think it matters much at entry level. The horses perform pretty much the same at that stage. If you would like one of those at higher level, I'd say wait until you get there and then spend money on them. Remember, you can't sell horses at the stables, only discard them. A 4th stable will cost you $500, so you might wanna keep the slots at 3. 

In your case I'd recommend using the free Arabian ehile ranking up. Buying an entry level horse is such a waste of money.

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SAS_Intruder

Yeah I know. But my Arabian is so stupid and cowardly,  it's unbearable.  I prefer old nag compared to my Arabian lol. He always runs away when most needed, doesn't come to me when called , has too much free will when riding him on narrow paths plus he is constantly getting tripped.  And our bonding is lv3 so I was expecting more.

 

 

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Jason

I bought a Hungarian Half-Bred to replace my free Arabian when I finally got fed up of it being spooked by the wind, paid like 7 gold which I got from Rockstar giveaways so didn't really lose anything buying it.

 

If you're after any good all-rounder horse and you're spending cash I wouldn't spend over $150-200 on a horse till you unlock the Turk/Fox Trotter's cause those are the go-to all-rounders but they cost a pretty penny. Unless you want a specific breed before that, of course.

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SAS_Intruder

I was actually just looking at Hungarian  (black and white? ) and I like it so it is probably going to replace Arabian tonight.  Later on I will get Appaloosa or American Paint, I like them as well.

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Fox in a Box
4 hours ago, SAS_Intruder said:

I was actually just looking at Hungarian  (black and white? ) and I like it so it is probably going to replace Arabian tonight.  Later on I will get Appaloosa or American Paint, I like them as well.

Had the leopard appaloosa for a week now (named Oreo) and she's perfect, better than average health and stamina plus the speed.

 

My friend seriously needs an upgrade from his tennessee walker, was gonna encourage him to get the same Hungarian half-bred.😛

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Mad-Monkey_1st
1 hour ago, Fox in a Box said:

Had the leopard appaloosa for a week now (named Oreo) and she's perfect, better than average health and stamina plus the speed.

 

My friend seriously needs an upgrade from his tennessee walker, was gonna encourage him to get the same Hungarian half-bred.😛

Put top end stirrups and Nakodoches saddle its great 

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Fox in a Box

Agreed, the best stirrups are a while away yet (friend is level 25) but the Nacodoches for me, was worth investing a lot of gold on. 

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SAS_Intruder
6 hours ago, Fox in a Box said:

Had the leopard appaloosa for a week now (named Oreo) and she's perfect, better than average health and stamina plus the speed.

 

My friend seriously needs an upgrade from his tennessee walker, was gonna encourage him to get the same Hungarian half-bred.😛

Well I just want to say that my new Hungarian is miles better than Arabian even on lv1 bonding. Yes, it's slower but everything else is far superior.  Obedient,  brave, strong. And once I upgrade stirrups and lv4 bonding,  it's a keeper.  I am definitely getting Appaloosa as well (maybe Paint but it just seems too short) since I need small obedient horse for mountain climbing. 

 

Since I only recently started to play, how does horse insurance work? I wasn't  sure so I didn't get one and insurance costs as much as new horse.

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23 hours ago, SAS_Intruder said:

Well I just want to say that my new Hungarian is miles better than Arabian even on lv1 bonding. Yes, it's slower but everything else is far superior.  Obedient,  brave, strong. And once I upgrade stirrups and lv4 bonding,  it's a keeper.  I am definitely getting Appaloosa as well (maybe Paint but it just seems too short) since I need small obedient horse for mountain climbing. 

 

Since I only recently started to play, how does horse insurance work? I wasn't  sure so I didn't get one and insurance costs as much as new horse.

 

Sounds good to me, my first time using a Hungarian Half-bred was when I first glitched to Mexico back in the good old days of map breaching, I was impressed by it.

 

I  think horse insurance simply lowers the cost of reviving your steed should it ever get killed in the Crosshairs during a mission,  I always buy it just to safe.

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The Dedito Gae

Im the only one whos not fond of most of the horse coats in this game? 

Some even look downright sickly, even my beloved red coat Ardeness is just a mix or red and grey, looks like is losing hair or something.

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Ronin Ogami

A cool vid I found. Make of it what you will.   :D

 

 

 

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1898

I was wondering how much difference the stats make so I ran timed tests using the trail below. The solid line was a point to point and the solid line + markers was a loop. I ran the point to point at least three times (back and forth) each and the loop twice just to get a good sample. The Thoroughbred and Perlino are almost dead even. The Turkoman at level 1 just didn't have the stamina for the loop but hopefully she will decimate both of them once she ranks up.

 

I know not a flawless test but

 

                                                              Level                 Point to Point                       Loop

 

Black Chestnut Thoroughbred                 4                        57 sec                             208 sec

 

Perlino Andalusian                                   4                        58 sec                             209 sec                         

 

Silver Turkoman   (just purchased)          1                        57 sec                             212 sec

 

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Red Lynx 23

I bought a fourth stable, and an Amber MFT, and Nocodoches Saddle shortly after. It took some time to think up a name, but today I dubbed her "Peyote". Which was inspired by this video, that I joked my character was on Peyote when that Cougar appeared and howled like a Wolf.

 

 

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