One thing about Micah that makes ZERO sense. MASSIVE MASSIVE SPOILERS

[FreeMaxB585]

I just have such a huge problem with the ending. Micah has all that $$$$. For one I have no clue why he would stay so close to where all the sh*t has done down and his wanted level. Especially not up in the coldest of mountains in a freezing area.

But mainly with all that I find it hard to believe he would just be some petty gang leader. And not have some purchased property living comfortable. Not having all the $ in some cabin, and having so many guys working for him, guys who are hired guns who wouldnt be that loyal to him, who would most likely kill him and take all that. Just find it odd wouldnt be somewhere super nice instead of running a little gang all the way in the cold as if he was poor with no money

 

One person proposed something that would have made way way way way more sense. When Arthur if you choose to go for the $ you somehow get it and hide it before dutch and micah get it, or toss it off a cliff as it goes everywhere and near the pinkertons where they cant recover it. If picked that option then you get the ending everyone had where he is running some petty gang possibly buying time up north as they plan another robbery

 

However if go to  help John, then you come across Micah as some rich rancher going by a different name, with really nice property as if he made it and is living as a wealthy man,. Maybe he has even paid off local police to protect him instead and thats who works for him. and then take him down in that position.

 

But just him and dutch would a sh*t load of money hanging out in the super cold all the way north in a semi area where they could still be looked for its very odd. Especially with how much money where they could buy anything they wanted, find it just way too off base that they would be living as if they had nothing. Maybe its just me

[Gray-Hand]

Micah isn’t the kind of person who wants to live a quiet comfortable life.  He’s an outlaw through and through.  He finds fulfilment living outside the law as the leader of a gang of outlaws.  He is living his best life in the epilogue.

[jje1000]

I wonder how recently Micah and his gang managed to find the Blackwater money?

 

I also wonder when Dutch and Micah got back together? Before, or after Micah's gang got the money? It would paint very different views of Dutch either way.

 

 

Edited December 6, 2018 by jje1000

[Gray-Hand]

When Dutch makes his appearance during that final confrontation, Micah makes a comment along the lines of “Well isn’t this just a day for reunions!” Which I took to indicate that Dutch had just turned up on that day as well.

[Mach1bud]

To quote a famous actor-

 

"Some men just want to watch the world burn."

 

Micah is a bad guys because that's what he is, he knows no other way. Same with Dutch. Money won't change that.

[Lonely-Martin]

Micah domesticated?

 

Can't see it, sorry.

[Cutter De Blanc]

That camp up there is pretty nice

[Corndawg93]

3 hours ago, Gray-Hand said:

When Dutch makes his appearance during that final confrontation, Micah makes a comment along the lines of “Well isn’t this just a day for reunions!” Which I took to indicate that Dutch had just turned up on that day as well.

And when John asks why Dutch is with Micah, Dutch replies "Same reason as you I guess", he was there to kill Micah as well

[Cutter De Blanc]

28 minutes ago, Corndawg93 said:

And when John asks why Dutch is with Micah, Dutch replies "Same reason as you I guess", he was there to kill Micah as well

Bumblef*ck John has to come in there with all the shooting and mess up Dutch's Plan

[Gray-Hand]

After all those years it was all about to fall into place!

[Nutbuster3000]

Well, micah obviously wasnt after the money and just wanted it to take care of his beloved fellow gangmember. I think he values communion and companionship over simple things like money.

[TheSantader25]

2 hours ago, Cutter De Blanc said:

Bumblef*ck John has to come in there with all the shooting and mess up Dutch's Plan

Dutch had a P L A N. 

Unfortunately John didn't have some GODDAMN FAITH and lack of faith resulted in his death later in RDR. 

[Nutbuster3000]

2 minutes ago, TheSantader25 said:

Dutch had a P L A N. 

Unfortunately John didn't have some GODDAMN FAITH and lack of faith resulted in his death later in RDR. 

1000% agreed!!

[L1337]

The way I think it went down is Micah didnt actually know about the location of that money untill just recently. Dutch just recently showed up, so either they met up and went and got the money together, or Dutch went and got the money, and then caught up with Micah, intending to kill him. Thats what makes sense to me at least, considering it is the Blackwater money, which Micah would not know the location of

[jordy-w92]

What's funny to me is that we actually thought we would get all the answers but now I have a lot more questions than before lol #DamnYouRockstar

[roe]

There's a lot of things about Micah that make zero sense.

[jje1000]

1 hour ago, L1337 said:

The way I think it went down is Micah didnt actually know about the location of that money untill just recently. Dutch just recently showed up, so either they met up and went and got the money together, or Dutch went and got the money, and then caught up with Micah, intending to kill him. Thats what makes sense to me at least, considering it is the Blackwater money, which Micah would not know the location of

That's an interesting proposition, considering how much Micah seemingly wanted the money throughout the game- Dutch uses it as a honeypot to get to Micah, who was hard to find (took Sadie awhile to even locate an associate) after the epilogue. 

 

The way I see it, Dutch was probably working out his own revenge plan after stewing about over those years, and John merely interfered with those plans with his own revenge plan. I'm also sure that Dutch still has suspicions that John was also a rat, which is why he shoots John if you shoot first during the standoff. That being said, I think at that point Dutch had no intentions of letting Micah get off that mountain alive regardless.

 

It also jives with the fact that Dutch leaves the money and walks away at the end- that money was tainted, and it had destroyed Dutch's gang and even his family in the end.

 

Edited December 6, 2018 by jje1000

[~INDIO~]

It'd make more sense if Dutch and Micah were back out West in New Austin.. there was a lot of talk from the gang about moving West, and they could be the only 2 who made it back.

 

Rockstar could've had them hiding with the Del Lobos in Gaptooth where the mine is. Micah climbs the tower above it after being shot by Dutch, then you can dead eye him over the side and he falls into the mine. Or place dynamite around it as he's shouting threats at Dutch and John, sending him away in a cloud of smoke. 

Would've been pretty cool IMO

Edited December 6, 2018 by ~INDIO~
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[Corndawg93]

So here's why I hope where we get a balled of gay tony style of story DLC with Dutch, it would follow from the end of chapter 6 and go all the way to camping out with the natives in the Tall Trees

[CrimsonFolo]

The way i see it, Micah probably looks up to Dutch as a "big bro" or along those lines. He didn't give a f*ck about anyone except Dutch really. (Insults majority of the camp, always praising Dutch, refuses to return to camp without a offering for Dutch, trusting Dutch fully and not getting him killed or ambushed, he backed Dutch up when the pinkertons attacked.)

 

 

[FreeMaxB585]

9 hours ago, Nutbuster3000 said:

Well, micah obviously wasnt after the money and just wanted it to take care of his beloved fellow gangmember. I think he values communion and companionship over simple things like money.

 

lmao not true at all. he burned all his fellow gang members. the dutch gang had saved him many times and was with him a good period of time. arthur saved his ass multiple times as did others, and all he did was snitch and leave others to die. he didnt value sh*t

1 hour ago, The FoolYT said:

The way i see it, Micah probably looks up to Dutch as a "big bro" or along those lines. He didn't give a f*ck about anyone except Dutch really. (Insults majority of the camp, always praising Dutch, refuses to return to camp without a offering for Dutch, trusting Dutch fully and not getting him killed or ambushed, he backed Dutch up when the pinkertons attacked.)

 

 

 

I dont think he cares much of anyone. if anything you would think he would care about arthur a little more the one who broke him out of jail and saved him multiple times

[jje1000]

3 hours ago, The FoolYT said:

The way i see it, Micah probably looks up to Dutch as a "big bro" or along those lines. He didn't give a f*ck about anyone except Dutch really. (Insults majority of the camp, always praising Dutch, refuses to return to camp without a offering for Dutch, trusting Dutch fully and not getting him killed or ambushed, he backed Dutch up when the pinkertons attacked.)

I think his praising of Dutch was just currying favor to get to what he wanted, which was the Blackwater money- Micah works no one but himself, IMO.

[Scaeva]

7 hours ago, Corndawg93 said:

So here's why I hope where we get a balled of gay tony style of story DLC with Dutch, it would follow from the end of chapter 6 and go all the way to camping out with the natives in the Tall Trees

My preference would be making him the protagonist of RDR3, setting the game in the 1870s or 1880s, and following his fall from a Robin Hood type figure to the charismatic villain we meet in RDR2. If written well that sort of story could carry the same emotional weight as RDR2's.

 

Short of that, a DLC centered on Dutch (in any time period) could definitely be interesting.

[FreeMaxB585]

On 12/6/2018 at 3:06 PM, Scaeva said:

My preference would be making him the protagonist of RDR3, setting the game in the 1870s or 1880s, and following his fall from a Robin Hood type figure to the charismatic villain we meet in RDR2. If written well that sort of story could carry the same emotional weight as RDR2's.

 

Short of that, a DLC centered on Dutch (in any time period) could definitely be interesting.

 

lol no thanks. have no interest in playing someone who becomes a massive dirt bag. yea playing as someone who was once semi good is fine but not someone who turned out into a little girl killer, a snitch, and someone who kills everyones favorite arthur

[BretMaverick777]

3 hours ago, FreeMaxB585 said:

 

lol no thanks. have no interest in playing someone who becomes a massive dirt bag. yea playing as someone who was once semi good is fine but not someone who turned out into a little girl killer, a snitch, and someone who kills everyones favorite arthur

Pretty sure he clearly said "Dutch," not "Micah." 

 

And yeah, I'd be interested in a Dutch story.  Beginning to bitter end.

Johnny Marston and Crewe come down the mountain with a whole sh**load of cash, no doubt about that; but I always wondered if that was actually the Blackwater Heist money or just what Micah's gang had accrued in the past 8 years.   Dutch stole $175,000 in 1899 and stashed it somewhere.   When John loots Micah's camp, he gets something like $25,000.   I just don't see $150,000 vanishing in that scenario.   As folks mentioned above, Dutch and Micah could've bought a mansion with that.   Or sailed off to Tahiti.  

 

I honestly believe the Blackwater cache was never, EVER recovered.   By anybody.  

Except my Online character.   (Soooooon....very soon....muahahahaha)

 

***EDIT:   RDR1 Conspiracy Theory.   Put on your tinfoil hats for this one:

 

So, in RDR1, we know Dutch and his Apache band hang out at the Wreck of the Serendipity riverboat down at Quaker's Cove.   Newspaper reports and campfire tales said that bandits (Dutch's...?) had been known to frequent that shipwreck for several years before 1911. 

 

So....what if the Serendipity WAS the ferry Dutch robbed...?  And through Dutch's Law of Screwing Up Things 101, he somehow wound up sinking the damn ship, and just didn't want to admit it to Micah or the gang?   Some years later, the Serendipity was clearly dredged and towed to Quaker's Cove.   Not an easy job, that.   But maybe Dutch accomplished it in the years between 1907 and 1911, and then holed up there with his new band of renegades before moving on to classier (and colder....wtf is up with Dutch and snow?) digs up the Cochinay/Nekoti Rock mining camp.   

 

 

 

 

Edited December 8, 2018 by BretMaverick777

[Scaeva]

4 hours ago, FreeMaxB585 said:

 

lol no thanks. have no interest in playing someone who becomes a massive dirt bag. yea playing as someone who was once semi good is fine but not someone who turned out into a little girl killer, a snitch, and someone who kills everyones favorite arthur

 

I was referring to Dutch, not Micah.