This game will end up being the GTA IV of it's generation

[woggleman]

This is not a hate thread but it is clear that this game is divisive and in the next year or two you will start to see the narrative that it is not fun to play and is boring and too realistic. Look at any other forum and you see results like this https://www.resetera.com/threads/people-that-have-finished-rdr2-would-you-consider-it-as-one-of-the-best-games-of-all-time.85037/. I personally love the game like I love GTA IV but the general public tends to prefer more gamey or arcadey games. Why do you think there are so many people saying AC Odyssey which is is a better game? It is because it is more gamey and what they consider fun to play and it is becoming Saints Row vs GTA IV all over again.

 

At this rate I don't think we will see SP dlc because if it comes out next year people will be in full backlash mode and it will not sell well. It will be EFLC all over again. I don't agree with their approach to online but I can understand why R increasingly just wants to make money. It isn't right but when you are pretty much forced to make games like GTA V or else they get called boring and not fun I can understand how it kills the passion. Yes RDR1 was also serious and a slower pace but it was a sleeper hit that wasn't really promoted before release while RDR2 was one of the most anticipated games of the year and has gotten a very divided reaction. I am not trolling but this is the truth. It is similar to the game in that GTA IV and RDR2 exist in a world that doesn't want them.

Edited December 5, 2018 by woggleman
Typo.

[Algonquin Assassin]

Just when I thought you were moving on...*sigh*.

 

Even if you don't mean for this to be a hate thread, trolling etc do you really think anyone wants to hear this when you've drummed it over and over again for weeks? Yes we know just like GTA IV the general public doesn't like the game, but does that really need to be jammed down our throats? 

 

Just enjoy the game for what it is and stop worrying about what the rest of the world wants. It's their loss. 

[Mach1bud]

You just can't help yourself can you?

[woggleman]

What other people think doesn't affect my enjoyment but don't expect Rockstar to keep making games like this when this is the reaction they get. Don't get mad at lack of SP DLC when people are in full backlash mode against this game which they will be next year. They were actually dumb for not releasing SP DLC for V since the general public liked it much more than this and IV. The kind of reaction will affect what kind of games we get from R in the future.

[Mach1bud]

Not letting this continue. We heard you the first several dozen times a couple weeks ago.

Edited December 5, 2018 by Mach1bud
On second thought, let's see how this goes for a bit.

[Jason]

Using ResetEra as your source shows you haven't got a scooby do about what you're talking about, yet again. Despite Era being a huge forum it's gaming interests tend to be more niche. Exclusives get a metric f*ck ton of love there as do smaller indie games and Asian-developed games. Games that are extremely popular with the mainstream (RDR2, GTAO, Fortnite, yada yada) have always had a very small following, even years and years ago in the NeoGaf days. If you asked Era to poll it's list of best games of the generation I guarantee that you'd have never heard of half the games listed.

 

It's one of the absolute worst video game forums (honestly, probably the worst) to use as a source to back up your claim that RDR2 is over rated. You can keep pushing this narrative all you want but it won't ever be true, yer just continuing to make a fool of your self.

Edited December 5, 2018 by Jason

[woggleman]

Thank you, Agree or not this is a perspective that needs to be heard. As much as I like this forum it can certainly be a bubble.

[NikosUncle]

Only idiots wouldn’t appreciate the amazingness of this game.

 

 

[Rykjeklut]

4 minutes ago, woggleman said:

Thank you, Agree or not this is a perspective that needs to be heard. As much as I like this forum it can certainly be a bubble.

I don't think you understood what he wrote.

[NikosUncle]

Anyway how would they even make a RDR game as over the top and crazy as gta? How could it have been better?

[Algonquin Assassin]

19 minutes ago, woggleman said:

What other people think doesn't affect my enjoyment but don't expect Rockstar to keep making games like this when this is the reaction they get. Don't get mad at lack of SP DLC when people are in full backlash mode against this game which they will be next year. They were actually dumb for not releasing SP DLC for V since the general public liked it much more than this and IV. The kind of reaction will affect what kind of games we get from R in the future.

I'm only speaking for myself here, but I wouldn't be mad at all if there isn't single player DLC because I honestly don't think the game needs it. Yes there are things that can fixed through patches/updates, but anything story related? No. The game's strong enough to stand on its own.

 

Personally R* f*cked up when they promised single player DLC for GTA V then back peddled. People shouldn't get mad at something if it's what they expect and their wishes aren't met. Tough sh*t. If R* do what they did with GTA V then that's different.

[woggleman]

Just now, NikosUncle said:

Anyway how would they even make a RDR game as over the top and crazy as gta? How could it have been better?

I doubt that but next one might be as gamey and arcadey as AC Odyssey. The same way V sort of tried to be a little like Saints Row is how they will do it. It will still be loyal to the western theme but since more simplified and dumbed down and shorter because I hear a lot of people complain about how long this game is.

[NikosUncle]

1 minute ago, woggleman said:

I doubt that but next one might be as gamey and arcadey as AC Odyssey. The same way V sort of tried to be a little like Saints Row is how they will do it. It will still be loyal to the western theme but since more simplified and dumbed down and shorter because I hear a lot of people complain about how long this game is.

Well hopefully R* won’t give a f*ck about those little bitches who whine about dumb sh*t.

 

Obviously gta6 will be as crazy as gta5 to keep the bitches happy.

[woggleman]

1 minute ago, NikosUncle said:

Well hopefully R* won’t give a f*ck about those little bitches who whine about dumb sh*t.

 

Obviously gta6 will be as crazy as gta5 to keep the bitches happy.

They will and they should care because they are the ones who buy games. This forum complains all the time about V but five years later and it still sells like hotcakes. Honestly Sadie is their best chance at a good selling SP DLC. It's weird but the women I know seem to really like this game even more than the men do which is weird but it would be nice to tap into that market. My GF loves this more than this forum loves IV.

[Jason]

I'm still waiting for a source that says the game will end up the "GTA IV of the generation" that isn't horribly biased like a poll on ResetEra.

[The Jungz]

Whatever the "general public" (who the f*ck cares about them anyway?) thinks of Redemption II, I got exactly what I wanted :

 

- A f*cking amazing sequel that is not only a masterpiece in its own right, but is also deep enough to elevate its predecessor even higher than it was before. 

[woggleman]

8 minutes ago, Jason said:

I'm still waiting for a source that says the game will end up the "GTA IV of the generation" that isn't horribly biased like a poll on ResetEra.

So a poll on a top gaming forum means nothing? To be fair in order to balance things it was almost a tie on Gamefaqs against Persona 5 and if you know how much some gamers cream themselves over that game that means something.

[Jerking For Soup]

GTA IV is hated? Maybe by some parts of the general public but I've seen a lot of reviews give GTA IV a 10/10 plus the general consensus on GTAF is that GTA IV is a masterpiece.

 

Also I do think most of the general public have learned video games, like other forms of media, should have captivating and well-written stories. Witcher 3, RDR 2, etc all prove that the direction gamers want the industry to move in is a direction that possesses great stories, hence why having a "bad story" is now a generally accepted critique of many games, and can reduce or highten the public outlook on a game drastically. 

[Jason]

Just now, woggleman said:

So a poll on a top gaming forum means nothing? 

 

34 minutes ago, Jason said:

Using ResetEra as your source shows you haven't got a scooby do about what you're talking about, yet again. Despite Era being a huge forum it's gaming interests tend to be more niche. Exclusives get a metric f*ck ton of love there as do smaller indie games and Asian-developed games. Games that are extremely popular with the mainstream (RDR2, GTAO, Fortnite, yada yada) have always had a very small following, even years and years ago in the NeoGaf days. If you asked Era to poll it's list of best games of the generation I guarantee that you'd have never heard of half the games listed.

 

It's one of the absolute worst video game forums (honestly, probably the worst) to use as a source to back up your claim that RDR2 is over rated. You can keep pushing this narrative all you want but it won't ever be true, yer just continuing to make a fool of your self.

Understand the sources you're using if you're going to use them to make big claims.

 

Not only that, but you can list any top rated game of this gen and you'll find a big thread about it on Era about why the game is bad and over rated.

[woggleman]

2 minutes ago, Jerking For Soup said:

GTA IV is hated? Maybe by some parts of the general public but I've seen a lot of reviews give GTA IV a 10/10 plus the general consensus on GTAF is that GTA IV is a masterpiece.

 

Also I do think most of the general public have learned video games, like other forms of media, should have captivating and well-written stories. Witcher 3, RDR 2, etc all prove that the direction gamers want the industry to move in is a direction that possesses great stories, hence why having a "bad story" is now a generally accepted critique of many games, and can reduce or highten the public outlook on a game drastically. 

There is a big and I mean big disconnect between the critics and the fans. Look at any gaming boards and there is a lot of resentment against reviewers. As much as I like the people on this forum the place is a bubble.

[Mach1bud]

15 minutes ago, woggleman said:

So a poll on a top gaming forum means nothing? 

Correct. Absolutely nothing. 

 

Roughly 800 people voted in that poll. Let's do some quick math.

 

800 ÷ 17,000,000 = 0.00004705882

 

So what you are saying is your assumption that "most" gamers don't like this game is actually based on .00004% of gamers who actually bought it. Such an incredibly small slice of the pie that you can't even see it. 

 

That isn't taking into account the games sold since the two week mark, which I wager are quite a bit more now.

Edited December 5, 2018 by Mach1bud

[Scaeva]

It will be interesting to see how the game is viewed 5 or 10 years down the line. It is possible opinions could change if there are more recent releases that do open world and a heavy focus on story and characters a lot better. As an example Dragon Age: Inquisition's reputation nosedived with the release of The Witcher 3, because TW3 did just about everything DA:I  wanted to do better.

 

Personally I find it rather unlikely that RDR2 will suffer from hindsight however, as you don't come across games as good as this one often.

 

My $5 would be on RDR2 being mentioned alongside The Witcher 3 as one of the best games released this generation.

[woggleman]

Just now, Scaeva said:

It will be interesting to see how the game is viewed 5 or 10 years down the line. It is possible opinions could change if there are more recent releases that do open world and a heavy focus on story and characters a lot better. As an example Dragon Age: Inquisition's reputation nosedived with the release of The Witcher 3, because TW3 did just about everything DA:I  wanted to do better.

 

Personally I find it rather unlikely that RDR2 will suffer from hindsight however, as you don't come across games as good as this one often.

 

My $5 would be on RDR2 being mentioned alongside The Witcher 3 as one of the best games released this generation.

I seriously doubt it.It won't even win most game of the year polls. GOW is the GOTY to most of the public.

[Mister Pink]

Look, games don't have to appeal to everybody in order for them to be good games. There's a huge amount of subjectivity in our tastes for games. But RDR (2010) didn't have any other game to really compare it to. Also, the fan base of the Red Dead Revolver was so small it was negligent but my point is.. RDR was made and it was adored due to it's commitment to a good story and beautiful map. 

 

RDR2 delivered more of the same story-driven content and added a f*ck-ton of detail. The game might play slightly slower than RDR but I don't really see that. I don't think the fanbase is divisive over RDR2. I think it's pretty unanimous that it's a good game. When playing RDR2 I thought it was very "Red Dead" but vastly improved. I think the transition from San Andreas to IV was vastly different. It was a change of platform and generation not just consoles but TVs going from analog to digital. Also, GTA from III to SA was on a trajectory of adding content. Each iteration added new vehicles fly planes, motorbikes, BMX's or helicopters eventually being spoiled with multiple cities. IV was a huge change in direction. That genuinely split the fanbase. The leap from RDR to RDR2 isn't so divisive, gameplay-wise or even visually, imo. 

 

And look, I wasn't a huge fan of IV when it came out - I mean I loved it because as a standalone game, it's brilliant but I didn't like the removal of certain rewards and features and I ranted for ages over it and even battled it out with people on here that I've really grown to really appreciate and respect on these forums (Miami, looking in your direction )I'm over that now and appreciate it for what it is and I even crave a GTA like it now after the awful GTA V story. But I love the "slow and boring" RDR2. It kind of doesn't make sense. I'm an SA man at heart but I love this "slow and boring" RDR2. 

 

I just can't really see RDR2 the way you see it OP. I don't think it's divisive and I don't think it's that much different to RDR. It seems like a logical, well-executed improvement over RDR and not as comparable to IV as you might think. 

[Algonquin Assassin]

2 minutes ago, Mister Pinkerton said:

Look, games don't have to appeal to everybody in order for them to be good games. There's a huge amount of subjectivity in our tastes for games. But RDR (2010) didn't have any other game to really compare it to. Also, the fan base of the Red Dead Revolver was so small it was negligent but my point is.. RDR was made and it was adored due to it's commitment to a good story and beautiful map. 

 

RDR2 delivered more of the same story-driven content and added a f*ck-ton of detail. The game might play slightly slower than RDR but I don't really see that. I don't think the fanbase is divisive over RDR2. I think it's pretty unanimous that it's a good game. When playing RDR2 I thought it was very "Red Dead" but vastly improved. I think the transition from San Andreas to IV was vastly different. It was a change of platform and generation not just consoles but TVs going from analog to digital. Also, GTA from III to SA was on a trajectory of adding content. Each iteration added new vehicles fly planes, motorbikes, BMX's or helicopters eventually being spoiled with multiple cities. IV was a huge change in direction. That genuinely split the fanbase. The leap from RDR to RDR2 isn't so divisive, gameplay-wise or even visually, imo. 

 

And look, I wasn't a huge fan of IV when it came out - I mean I loved it because as a standalone game, it's brilliant but I didn't like the removal of certain rewards and features and I ranted for ages over it and even battled it out with people on here that I've really grown to really appreciate and respect on these forums (Miami, looking in your direction )I'm over that now and appreciate it for what it is and I even crave a GTA like it now after the awful GTA V story. But I love the "slow and boring" RDR2. It kind of doesn't make sense. I'm an SA man at heart but I love this "slow and boring" RDR2. 

 

I just can't really see RDR2 the way you see it OP. I don't think it's divisive and I don't think it's that much different to RDR. It seems like a logical, well-executed improvement over RDR and not as comparable to IV as you might think. 

Couldn't have said it any better dude. (BTW I haven't had a chance to say this. I like the new name)

 

 

[woggleman]

I loved IV from the minute I played it as I did this game but I can also see how both games are very polarizing. Sometimes this forum can be as much of a bubble as some political forums. They have their beliefs and they shut out any views to the contrary to the point where they think everybody thinks like them then act shocked when the election doesn't go the way they want. This forum will be shocked when the GOTY awards don't go the way they want and this game is being torn to shreds next year.

[SM00V 0PERAT0R]

People and their opinions... smh... They dont "NEED" to be heard, you just think they do. There is a thread for this crap already.

[Jason]

1 hour ago, woggleman said:

There is a big and I mean big disconnect between the critics and the fans. Look at any gaming boards and there is a lot of resentment against reviewers. As much as I like the people on this forum the place is a bubble.

Every forum is a bubble, ResetEra too, massively so, more than GTAF in fact, but you seem to have no problem in using that forum to back up your claims.

 

It's all well and good this being your opinion but if you're gonna try and use evidence to back it up then you're going to have to try much, much harder. Hot-take threads on video game forums are proof of absolutely f*ck all.

 

I'm not even saying you're wrong (not that I personally hold the same opinion as you), I'm saying the reasoning for your claim is riddled with holes and every time you get called out on this you fall back onto the "oh go look at video game forums, this place is a bubble" - or simply ignore it. Not only do you your self never provide sources to to back you up you once said something along the lines of "google RDR2 bad and you'll see" which is like Google image searching "naked boobies" and being shocked and surprised that you got pics of naked boobies. Also, GTAF'ers use the internet for more than GTAF - we all use the same social medias, we all browse other forums like Reddit, Era, etc etc. You're not special in this regard, we all see what's being said about the game, both good and bad. No one is seeing the huge backlash you keep insisting you saw, which means either everyone is wrong and you're the next Messiah or you're wrong.

 

The answer is the second one.

Edited December 5, 2018 by Jason

[Vanilla Shake]

26 minutes ago, woggleman said:

I loved IV from the minute I played it as I did this game but I can also see how both games are very polarizing. Sometimes this forum can be as much of a bubble as some political forums. They have their beliefs and they shut out any views to the contrary to the point where they think everybody thinks like them then act shocked when the election doesn't go the way they want. This forum will be shocked when the GOTY awards don't go the way they want and this game is being torn to shreds next year.

Why are you so adamant that it's going to be "torn to shreds"? Most people LOVE the game, and I'm not just talking about most people on this forum. Hell I know people in real life who weren't even fans of the first RDR who are obsessed with this one.

[MVP]

Rockstar made a prequel to a much loved game that has a core fanbase that absolutely adores it.

 

Red Dead Redemption 2 sold $725 million in the first 3 days.

 

 

 

Also IV is the best GTA game to date in my opinion. RDR2 is Rockstars best game to date.