How do you feel about Red Dead's Microtransactions?

[Callahan44]

1 minute ago, Ice_cold2016 said:

The whole "If done right it can be great" is total bollocks mate. The gaming industry uses that excuse of "If its done right it can be great" But yet they NEVER give examples of what is right, never.   Overwatch isn't done right. Overwatch has turned people into gambling addicts. And that's a fact. I just explained that in a comment above. 

For me overwatchs system is great,as long as you dont buy stuff youre fine. Free maps,heroes etc. 

They have to get money from somewhere...its hard to find a real perfect way i guess,paid dlc spilts playerbase. 

 

[Lonely-Martin]

6 minutes ago, Ice_cold2016 said:

They can't have poker when microtransactions are there as then it would be real world gambling and instantly banned. Countries are banning loot boxes because its gambling and young kids are gambling more than ever before because they grew up with video games that are gambling dressed in a different form. A whole generation of kids have been conditioned by the industry and now addicted to gambling or see no problem with expensive microtransactions as such as all these things are normal to them, that's what they grew up with, know and are used to. The gaming industry is praying on the vulnerable, people with addictive personalities. 

Game is an 18 and has a gambling warning on the box. Time for people to be responsible with their kids. My son plays and I take charge.

 

Soft, IMO. (Of the developer, not you).

4 minutes ago, Ice_cold2016 said:

The whole "If done right it can be great" is total bollocks mate. The gaming industry uses that excuse of "If its done right it can be great" But yet they NEVER give examples of what is right, never.   Overwatch isn't done right. Overwatch has turned people into gambling addicts. And that's a fact. I just explained that in a comment above. 

Minecraft says otherwise. Plenty to pay for optionally. Zero in game impact and all DLC is free for all to access.

[Ice_cold2016]

Just now, Lonely-Martin said:

Game is an 18 and has a gambling warning on the box. Time for people to be responsible with their kids. My son plays and I take charge.

 

Soft, IMO. (Of the developer, not you).

Rockstar is fully aware that people don;t give a sh*t about ratings on a box and just put them on the box to cover themselves. They know that kids flock to their games regardless and Rockstar is more than happy to leave them there. But i think because of all the countries now clamping down on loot boxes and gambling in gaming that poker in online in Red Dead would be a step too far for them and they don't want to risk it. This is why the Casino never opened in GTAV Online. They can only push so far and that would be too far for them.

[Lonely-Martin]

Just now, Ice_cold2016 said:

Rockstar is fully aware that people don;t give a sh*t about ratings on a box and just put them on the box to cover themselves. They know that kids flock to their games regardless and Rockstar is more than happy to leave them there. But i think because of all the countries now clamping down on loot boxes and gambling in gaming that poker in online in Red Dead would be a step too far for them and they don't want to risk it. This is why the Casino never opened in GTAV Online. They can only push so far and that would be too far for them.

I agree, it's a 'PC' world. But I say do it. If partents see crap come of it, maybe they'll wake up.

 

Or they'll lose out and learn. Tough sh*t, IMO. If folk want kids or bang anything and slip up, that's their life and they must take control. Too much pussyfooting for me. 

 

(I do understand your points mid, just see too many kids left to it and it would be a sh*tstorm on Jeremy Kyle in a week, lol).

[Ice_cold2016]

5 minutes ago, Callahan44 said:

For me overwatchs system is great,as long as you dont buy stuff youre fine. Free maps,heroes etc. 

They have to get money from somewhere...its hard to find a real perfect way i guess,paid dlc spilts playerbase. 

 

In a free to play game then fine. But when people charge £40 to £120 for a full price game and sell multiple millions of copies and THEN try fleece you for even more, then its far from ok. Example. GTAV cost £175 ($240) million to make. They made over $1 BILLION in just 3 DAYS!! That's without online or anything. GTAV has sold 100 mill copies in 5yrs, Rockstar don't NEED microtransactions. They are just fleecing people for as much as they can. And they know full well kids make up a huge part of their player base. These kids are growing up thinking microtransactions and being fleeced are normal, that;s how gaming is for them. So these kids grow up to see no problem with microtransactions and being fleeced. And that's exactly what the industry wants. They have condition these kids to think microtransactions are perfectly normal to rake in extra billions. Shady as f*ck.

[Mr_Humper]

Gta online already looks like it favors those who grind for days, or those who spend real money like chumps. Why does character stats such as health, stamina, deadeye abilities carry over in competitive modes like death match? The weapons that you grinded or payed for can also be in these modes, and you can demolish new starting players who just got the game. I rather be like it was in the old read dead game where everyone was on an evening playing field in competetive modes. I would rather pay for dlc than have this grindy gta online microtranaction mess.

[Jamwes]

In concept, I think that using premium currency for cosmetics is fine. Using it to get level locked stuff is early is ok. Using it for anything that impacts game play mechanics (pay to win) is not ok.

 

For me, the question comes down to implementation. I haven't played online enough yet to get a good sense on if I feel the RDO economy is fine or needs balancing. It also depends on the real world cost. Will $20 give us 1 gold bar or 50?

 

Other than the horse insurance, is there anything else that costs gold bars that has a mechanical game impact?

[REXX]

20 minutes ago, Ice_cold2016 said:

And there is the problem in a nutshell.

My point is people have to work. In GTA Online, I didn't spend a penny on Shark Cards (well, I was working then too, but had more time). Now I don't have as much time, but I can still play enough to earn cash, just not Gold.

 

It brings up that whole Play or Pay argument. But I ain't going into that

[Ice_cold2016]

2 hours ago, Gallows said:

 

 

They are a Company and micro transactions will make them focus on the future of the game rather than just the release. If done well microtransactions can lead to a more healthy game, where the Company has greater incentive to ban cheaters.

GTAV has sold 100 mill copies still super popular 5yrs on and yet is still full of cheaters. Rockstar won't ban them as they want as many people playing their games as possible. Because of this alot of Red Dead 2 players are going to be using money glitches and buying modded accounts. They have a if you can't beat them join them mentality it seems.

[Lonely-Martin]

4 minutes ago, Jamwes said:

Other than the horse insurance, is there anything else that costs gold bars that has a mechanical game impact?

Honour.

 

Seriously, but I can't remember where it was posted. 0.03 per bit. (Unsure how much), from an NPC.

 

Don't know how much impact honour has though.

[Dr.Rosenthal]

To me it’s simple; if I can enjoy the game without buying Shark Cards/Goldbars/whatever, that’s what I’ll do. If I can’t, I probably won’t play it.

 

With a game that has no Business Battles..

 

The only free mode activity I tried joining, ”Cold Dead Hands” had 20 players running around on a plain field like headless chickens constantly killing and dying while trying to hold a bag - I can see it’s aptly named because by the time your hands touched that bag you were dead within half a second - no strategy to it, no teamwork, nothing to take cover behind and no houses to barricade yourself into.

 

It’s like it was created by intern Brad who had a Tinder date on his lunch break so he just created 20 spawn points and clicked Save.

 

There’s Deathmatches.. aaand... wait for it... Team Deatchmatches!

 

I don’t know man.... where’s the creative thinking? RDR2 had 8 years to develop, 5 of those years had RDO develop alongside of, and (supposedly) learning from GTAO.

 

I don’t mean to come off as a whinging little bitch but when the guns you want costs thousands of dollars and you earn $5 from each job, you’d kind of expect the jobs to be funnier.

Probably, I had too high expectations. But eitherway, R* is going to have to do much, much better than this if they want me to buy their Goldbars.

Last time I paid them hoping to get good content I got flying motorcycles and unbalanced gameplay.

This time it’s their turn to first show what they got and then up to me to decide if I want to pay for it or not.

Edited November 29, 2018 by Dr.Rosenthal

[Mister Pink]

How can we ever know the true difficulty of a game when the developer is the gatekeeper but simultaneously offers the key (microtransactions) in return for your real money? 

 

It's like a carnival scam. They set the rules on how hard the game is but if you need a solution, they charge you money for it. So the game is corrupt from the beginning. We'll never know what this game was truly like if it was without microtransactions. 

 

RDR2 SP is perfect. Pity, I'll never love a Rockstar online game as long as those cancerous microtransactions are there. Praise where praise is due, but f*ck Rockstar for and their microtransactions. I'd rather pay to play online as a separate game where there but no microtransactions. That way, everyone's rewards are EARNED IN GAME - not bought with real cash. 

 

I used to hate hackers and people that use exploits but not so much anymore. 

 

And buying gold in RDO seems like buying points in a game of tetris. What's the point in playing if you end up paying real cash for rewards. f*cking arseholes. 

Edited November 29, 2018 by Mister Pinkerton

[Smokewood]

4 hours ago, Ice_cold2016 said:

You buy things in 2 ways. With money or gold. HOWEVER, some things you can ONLY buy with gold. To get gold you either buy gold via microtransactions and your real world money. Or you grind and earn it. To grind and earn gold takes a long time to even get 1/10th of gold. You have to play certain matches over and over and survive only to get 1/10th gold. So to earn enough gold you have to do like 500 matches to get enough to even buy a coat! It's basically like GTAV but worse. GTAV was designed in such a way that encouraged people to buy microtransactions. But you didn't have to buy them as you could grind and earn the money. But in Red Dead 2 you have to grind more and its much slower. Therefore Red Dead Online encourages microtransactions even more than GTAV did.

 

You like the game in general? I wasn't going to play the game at all but a friend gave me his copy for free as he didn't like the game and got bored of it real quick. And i had 1 free month of Xbox Live that came with my Xbox One X so decided to give it a whirl. I don't like it either so will be giving the game away to anyone in the UK who wants it. So if your in the UK and want a free copy then gimmie a shout. Peace! 

I don't buy microtransactions and I plan on playing the game for years. 

I don't see the issue.

What I will have issue with is them pushing MTs too much.

We'll see....

[TheSantader25]

Microtransactions--->No Gambling minigames

 

See? How can someone defend this when it's making the dev cut FUN things out of the game? 

Edited November 29, 2018 by TheSantader25

[Smokewood]

3 hours ago, GN 92 said:

Micro transactions are the cancer of our gaming generation. I miss 2005 so much.

 

And don't waste your time saying that we are not obliged to purchase these f*cking gold bars. They made everything so ridiculously expensive, that some things need 100 HOURS OF GRIND TO PUCHASE. A SINGLE f*ckING ITEM. ONE HUNDRED REAL LIFE HOURS.

 

I know some people here in the forums doesn't have a real life to live and will easily grind 100 hours for an item, but us normal folk can't do that. And I'm not spending more real life earned money in the game. I've already spent $99 for the ultimate edition.

 

I will take advantage of every single money glitch in this game. T2 can go f*ck themselves with this ridiculous greed.

I hope you are caught and banned.

Do you really want to risk being banned and losing access to both online and story mode just to cut corners in a video game?

 

[kenmy13999]

18 minutes ago, Ice_cold2016 said:

 and buying modded accounts. They have a if you can't beat them join them mentality it seems.

Not much modded accounts to be found on current gen afaik, unless something changed the last month or so 

[GN 92]

5 minutes ago, Smokewood said:

I hope you are caught and banned.

Do you really want to risk being banned and losing access to both online and story mode just to cut corners in a video game?

 

 

I love taking risks.

[Smokewood]

2 hours ago, Revrico said:

Someone hadn't noticed that horse insurance, to protect your expensive ass horse in case of griefers, requires a not insubstantial amount of gold bars. 

I turned it in as a bug and the tech said he agreed.

we'll see

[paddymcg]

17 minutes ago, Smokewood said:

I hope you are caught and banned.

Do you really want to risk being banned and losing access to both online and story mode just to cut corners in a video game?

 

What difference does it make to you if someone buys all the premium currency or glitches to get it?

 

Both can get everything immediately, both can have an unfair advantage in PvP and both haven not earned the money they have.

 

The only difference is if there was a real life honor bar, you would have bad honor for glitching your money and good honor for buying all of it.

[GN 92]

1 minute ago, paddymcg said:

What difference does it make to you if someone buys all the premium currency or glitches to get it?

 

Both can get everything immediately, both can have an unfair advantage in PvP and both haven not earned the money they have.

 

The only difference is if there was a real life honor bar, you would have bad honor for glitching your money and good honor for buying all of it.

 

Exactly. Well explained.

[Lonely-Martin]

2 minutes ago, Smokewood said:

I turned it in as a bug and the tech said he agreed.

we'll see

@ALifeOfMisery got an opposite response and it is indeed intended.

 

Either way that goes. Very GTA if we're being told two things here too.

[SeniorDerp]

4 hours ago, GN 92 said:

And I'm not spending more real life earned money in the game. I've already spent $99 for the ultimate edition.

 

I will take advantage of every single money glitch in this game. T2 can go f*ck themselves with this ridiculous greed.

This and this. If you find a money/gold glitch for RDO lmk plz

[Smokewood]

1 hour ago, Ice_cold2016 said:

Rockstar is fully aware that people don;t give a sh*t about ratings on a box and just put them on the box to cover themselves. They know that kids flock to their games regardless and Rockstar is more than happy to leave them there. But i think because of all the countries now clamping down on loot boxes and gambling in gaming that poker in online in Red Dead would be a step too far for them and they don't want to risk it. This is why the Casino never opened in GTAV Online. They can only push so far and that would be too far for them.

You cannot buy CASH, only gold. If we can gamble with CASH and not gold, what's the issue?

[GN 92]

Somebody gotta stop smoking T2’s pipe 

[The Jungz]

Bought a yearly PSN subscription a few days ago and now feeling a bit pathetic.

 

What a waste of cash.

[Ma-mothers-Ma-Sister]

I wonder how long it will be before we can buy a flying horse for 1000 gold bars 

[Smokewood]

15 minutes ago, paddymcg said:

What difference does it make to you if someone buys all the premium currency or glitches to get it?

 

Both can get everything immediately, both can have an unfair advantage in PvP and both haven not earned the money they have.

 

The only difference is if there was a real life honor bar, you would have bad honor for glitching your money and good honor for buying all of it.

because the more you glitch money the more the prices get raised.

pretty simple

[liam_faye]

Personally, I'm broke as f*ck and have no plans whatsoever to buy gold bars when RDO is finally released. I have no problems with gold bars being implemented as long as they are used to buy strictly cosmetic items or unlock level-gated items early. 

[paddymcg]

3 minutes ago, Smokewood said:

because the more you glitch money the more the prices get raised.

pretty simple

Wrong, the prices will be raised regardless.

 

GTA Online made a couple of BILLION dollars exclusively from Shark Card purchases alone and yet the in game economy was so hyper inflated after 3 years they had to start selling the game with GTA Online money and businesses pre-loaded so newcomers could keep up. 

[Smokewood]

1 minute ago, paddymcg said:

Wrong, the prices will be raised regardless.

 

GTA Online made a couple of BILLION dollars exclusively from Shark Card purchases alone and yet the in game economy was so hyper inflated after 3 years they had to start selling the game with GTA Online money and businesses pre-loaded so newcomers could keep up. 

GTAO has and had several massive money glitches.

Bad example if you ask me.