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guardian1816

online not so great yet

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guardian1816

I have a few hours into online play so far and ill say this.  Its about what I expected.  A bunch of retarded 12 year olds running around doing everything they can to keep you from making any forward progress.  Going into free roam is like joining a Call of Duty game...you cannot even go near a town without being forced to deathmatch somebody or 8 somebodies.  I also am not able to acquire my preorder bonuses yet and the special mission in GTA 5 for a weapon was just a sham on rockstars part because it doesnt seem to exist.

 

In conclusion so far:  If you enjoy running around and killing other players (you shoulda bought COD) but online might be for you...if you actually want to experience the content you  might want to wait 6 months or so

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3Prcntr

1. wrong spot. there is an online forum.

and 2. Good. It's just a western version of GTA V and that's why they need to stop with the online nonsense. Focus on the story.

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guardian1816

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not worth arguing with a keyboard warrior

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GusMcCree

So im must not buy a PSN abonnement to play thats kiddie gto clone crap, and with no other and more firearms the last interest to the mp is gone .

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Cosmic Gypsy

Online isn't as good as it should be, that's for sure, and it's nothing to do with them having to focus more on single player, rather it's to do with the nonsensical design choices of online free roam.

 

Below is a paragraph of my first impressions of online, these reasons and the fact i don't remember seeing a train online are the main reasons i think online has disappointed me so much.

 

At the moment, with all the little features that made the game special, being taken out of online, it really does leave Red Dead online feeling as sh*tty as GTA Online. (Wouldn't put it past them to completely ruin red dead online with flying horses and roller coaster race tracks either, in much the same way they ruined GTA O with childish nonsensical bull crap.)

 

So i played online yesterday and I'm incredibly disappointed they not only removed the robbing aspect of the game but also the interaction aspect. Can no longer rob any shops even though that just involved pointing a gun and can't mug any person either, all you can do is loot dead bodies. Like my main hype online was about robberies and you can't do any. And what with your online character being mute and not being able to interact the game feels neutered of everything i loved about it. Removing robbing when i need to grind money all over again? Really? I'm literally reduced to playing team deathmatches that give you $10 (at best it seems) after 10 minutes of playing or free roam missions that are impossible to complete by yourself because other players are encouraged to f*ck them up for you. Not impressed by online so far.

 

Hit detection is bad also, I've shot someone 5 times in a row at medium/close range (worst case scenario, sometimes it's just twice but even that is unacceptable) and none of those 5 shots registered as a hit.

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ibsmokin

Can’t speak to most of it but this is supposed to be the Wild West. You can’t just spray and pray with these weapons. Especially the weapons you start with. There is a train online but there’s nothing in it but canned veg. 

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Cosmic Gypsy

I get this is the wild west but when I'm literally shooting someone in the back 5 times, factually shooting them, bad hit detection is bad hit detection regardless of a games setting.

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Buttrumpeteer

Agree w/the first couple of posters on various things except I'm hoping there will be a patch w/some corrections. Just grinding missions and saving the money and see what happens. One thing I'm definitely unhappy about is that horse i got for my hundred bucks must be insured by gold which there is no way on God's green earth and I going to buy. And no Pay To Win? I go look at the weapons and prices and I call bullsh*t.  I'll go back to GTA Online for the multi player lobby where I have everything with much hours and money spent amassing it all anyway and the RDR2 landscape wandering experience can be had in 3 Fallout games, Skyrim, etc... 

 

Ok so if you're going to deliver a wagon, you can't shoot more than 270deg and 90deg so when they send riders that attack you from behind(which is most of the time), it's best to stop, take the damage getting off the wagon and kill them from your feet. If you try and turn and shoot (even if you stop), you're in a situation where they can shoot you, but you can't shoot them. This is bad, extremely frustrating gameplay and there is no excuse for it. Pls fix ASAP.

 

I get booted randomly from free roam alot and since goodies are harder to come by it's much more frustrating when I come back and stuff is gone or the approach to an activity so carefully planned and executed is wasted at the moment I'm about to reap the reward. Very frustrating and not the good makes-you-stubborn kind . The game crashes on my Xbone too much as well, though maybe it's just me and my box is just getting old and I need to by a new one...?

 

Ok. Park my char out in the boonies. Nobody around and I go to poop. Come back and find my guy hogtied. Now what? Find another lobby and another few minutes to find something else to do while it loads when I just want to play the game. Nah. Hog tie deal is broken. Fix it.

 

It comes down to this: I love this game, but at some point frustration is gonna' beat love and Rock* will henceforth be that much less likely to get their usual share of my disposable income.

 

Found a train icon...

 

Here's something else: I go to Alden to get a mission. I accept delivery. And then nothing happens so I interact again to see if i missed something but now he has no work for me and no mission in progress. This has happened with various NPCs. Pls fix

 

Get attacked by wolves. Kill 3 and the other runs away. Start skinning. Get attacked by wolf while in the skinning cutscene. No option to fight. Nothing. Game kills you and there is no way to avoid it.  I'm done. I'll check back in a month or so.

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Bigdope7

I agree this game does need some more money making opportunities. Money is scarce. I’m not a fan of some of the things that sole cost gold. They are really trying to push buying currency unless you want to grind the heck out of this game. Back in the old days all there was in GTAO was to rob stores and do the crappy Gerald missions. They need to bring some of the story features to online, like the mini games at camp (ie Five Finger Fillet, Poker, Dominos). They also need to bring some more purchaseable equipment to the camp and more customization to camp. Also, bring in some voice acting for the characters to aid in the encounters you have with NPCs. Even if they were to bring that in a little at a time adding over the course of a bunch of DLCs, that would be fine. They don’t even need to hav a bunch of different voice actors. Just a few would work. Just so the character has a voice. The story was fantastic, they just need to make online basically an extension of that to make it a real living and breathing world.

One thing they could do for a business is cattle fencing or horse fencing that we could do to make money.

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Cosmic Gypsy

I'm totally getting a pay to win shark cardy vibe also, i mean just to set up a posse camp costs $200. You kidding me? Should be free if you're in a posse let's not f*ck about here. 5 gold to insure a horse? Wtf who's coming up with this bullsh*t? I definitely don't like the game enough to grind when after a 10 minute deathmatch i only get $10 for coming first. Looting dead bodies gets you 10 cents, you cant rob shops, i don't remember there being a horse fence. It does sound pretty suspect so far. Rockstar can't be trusted any more with online play i swear.

 

And voice actors for online is a must, i didn't realize how important interacting was in this game but nodding and waving at people feels like we've gone straight back to 2012. I feel like they made every1 mute to avoid having the same voices all over online, because that would be really ridiculous, but they could have given us 3 male voices/3 female voices to choose from and only you hear your character talk to avoid that. If another online player interacts their voice could just been stolen straight from a random NPC and i would not give a sh*t. They could have done a lot of things really.

 

I also feel like you can't mug people because mugging was tied to the interactions. Really annoying.

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jje1000

There needs to be more outdoor traffic and pedestrians that you can interact with and rob. Police numbers need to be signficantly increased in the cities- I don't think I've seen a police officer in a city yet.

 

It just feels wrong going from SP's bustling cities to this, where there's barely 1/3 of the number of NPCs milling around.

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Cosmic Gypsy

Agreed, the houses you can enter to loot don't have any one in them to confront you either, turning it from the dope home invasions from single player into basically walking into uninhabited houses and taking whats been left there.

 

Every now and then all the NPCs in towns and cities disappear also but that's obviously an internet/server issue rather than a design choice. It can catch you off guard sometimes.

 

Played tonight with a friend, we had to start up 4 new games because we started falling through the floor eventually in each one and we had to quit game (if we didnt quit the game would endlessly teleport us back to earth then make us fall again and eventually crash to PS4 main menu with an error code). We again realized how much we miss having characters that can speak.

 

EDIT: We DID see a train but it wasnt a passanger train so you cant rob it, what are Rockstar thinking honestly?!?! Who wants to chase a train and jump on it just to pick up canned vegetables from shelves?! Here's hoping the next train i see is a passenger train but even if it is i have a HORRIBLE feeling it won't be robbable, leaving no possibility to rob ANYTHING online which is ATROCIOUS. And please don't come at me in 6 months time with some glorified boring hiest mission based robberies as if thats as good, it's not. I wanna mug/rob etc as i have been on story mode, only i want to do it in online free roam.

 

On the plus side, hit detection was much better today although that was at its worst when playing large showdown games.

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Jambho87

I'm 100% with them taking away all the robbing and interaction aspects of the game, totally ripped the soul out and took away everything I was looking forward to but.... 

This constant complaining about getting killed is really tiresome now. I play solo 90% of the time same with GTA and its about learning to change your strategy and approach to game. 

When your complaining about constantly get killed your basically just letting everyone know you're not very good at the game or at least as good as you thought you were in single player and playing competitively against other people shatters you illusion of how good you are. 

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Cosmic Gypsy

Nope, online just sucks (in comparison to single player) you can't take out main features of a game for online and expect people not to bitch.

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Lonely-Martin

Won't lie, its been a bad start for me  and I agrer withbmany complaints. But we do need to just give it time.

 

Something about Rome taking more than a day to build. That said, how they're showing to have learned only bad habits from GTA is in poor taste too. 

 

We'll see. :)

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Marcinguy

It's a BETA, so I think Rockstar's main concern right now is stability and gauging how many people are playing and getting all those stats down. I wouldn't be surprised if they wiped everyone's progress after going live with 1.0. That's why the store is still closed, you can't buy anything with cash yet. I'm sure major changes are coming and boy is there gonna be some real outrage here if they wipe the slate clean after the BETA. That's why I'm just dabbling around in online for right now without really concerning myself with progress. Will wait and see what happens.

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guardian1816

I keep telling myself "its in Beta" and it helps but if the staff are looking for suggestions and actually read stuff then I hope they see this.

 

One of the better ways to make money in hunting...basically, if it moves kill/skin it.  However, say you kill 10 deer and put the pelt on the back of your horse and then you notice hey there is another deer 50 feet over here....when you walk a certain distance from your horse (not very far) it auto deletes all the pelts on your horse already.  REALLY needs to be fixed 

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Marcinguy
8 minutes ago, guardian1816 said:

I keep telling myself "its in Beta" and it helps but if the staff are looking for suggestions and actually read stuff then I hope they see this.

 

One of the better ways to make money in hunting...basically, if it moves kill/skin it.  However, say you kill 10 deer and put the pelt on the back of your horse and then you notice hey there is another deer 50 feet over here....when you walk a certain distance from your horse (not very far) it auto deletes all the pelts on your horse already.  REALLY needs to be fixed 

I've heard there is a form Rockstar put up online somewhere and you can send in feedback. It's like a quick form or something like that made specifically for the online Beta. I agree with constructive criticism, but a lot of times it's just bitching. If someone from Rockstar comes to the forum to read up on some suggestions and all they see is this moaning, I doubt they'll get far. The thing you mentioned with the pelts sounds like a pretty serious bug and I'm sure it will get fixed eventually. Maybe you can send in one of those quick forms about it?

 

I've played only a few hours online and agree with everyone commenting that it's very bare bones right now, and I keep telling myself "it's in Beta" as well. Hopefully some good criticism now will lead to a great online experience down the rode and I"m just happy to play at all online at this point. I remember the GTAO launch being a total disaster so at least this time they covered their butts by calling this a Beta. Wouldn't be surprised if it took many months to get out of testing.

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ZOMars

Tried online freeroam today  for the first time and coming from sp free aim playstyle, im getting wrecked by varmint rifle headshots lol. Feels bad man - faith for free aim lobbies!

- I ain't free

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Pepperjack
1 hour ago, ZOMars said:

Tried online freeroam today  for the first time and coming from sp free aim playstyle, im getting wrecked by varmint rifle headshots lol. Feels bad man - faith for free aim lobbies!

- I ain't free

I'm the opposite, for death match atleast, played the entirety of singleplayer in freeaim, obviously switched to auto aim for online but I find my self nailing headshots a lot as a result of playing free aim for a month.

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GalanVaurek71

Could someone post a link to the feedback form mentioned above?  Please?

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Mayochiki
15 hours ago, Marcinguy said:

It's a BETA, so I think Rockstar's main concern right now is stability and gauging how many people are playing and getting all those stats down. I wouldn't be surprised if they wiped everyone's progress after going live with 1.0. That's why the store is still closed, you can't buy anything with cash yet. I'm sure major changes are coming and boy is there gonna be some real outrage here if they wipe the slate clean after the BETA. That's why I'm just dabbling around in online for right now without really concerning myself with progress. Will wait and see what happens.

 

Stop kidding yourself, this is just a beta in name. The fact that all challenges, ranks and end-game items are already there prove it.

 

They just want to avoid another GTAO launch fiasco. If they released a buggy mess and called it the full game people would riot, but since its a "beta" then they can be forgiven. They didn't want people crashing the servers so they limited how many people could play on Day 1. And to be honest anyone who didn't expect the game to be like this probably didn't play GTAO pre-heists, even then Rockstar managed to disappoint me.

 

Premium currency? So they didn't learn anything, right? Instead of solving the issue with money glitching they decided to avoid it and implement another currency, one that will eventually replace the regular one. After five years they are still not prepared to deal with issues. At this point you can't even buy anything in-game, not even a set of clothes. Imagine GTA Online came out with the first month payments but with the latest DLC items, that's how this game feels.

 

I refuse to believe this is a beta, this is alpha state at best but most likely the first official patch. Let's face it, Rockstar online games are dead, I'm expecting some adjustments to make this playable. Played a few hours and got bored, if we thought driving a van to get paid sh*t was tedious now doing it while mashing X/A and having to slow down every minute is ten times worse.

 

I guess I'll stick to playing with the character creator some more. Ironically I think I've made more than the average player by only doing the tutorial over and over.

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Vaymasters
35 minutes ago, Mayochiki said:

 

Stop kidding yourself, this is just a beta in name.

I agree with this. I've played at least a dozen games that were all in "Beta", and the difference between "Beta" and "live" is seldom something of consequence, let alone something that would make or break a game.

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Marcinguy
7 hours ago, Mayochiki said:

 

Stop kidding yourself, this is just a beta in name. The fact that all challenges, ranks and end-game items are already there prove it.

 

They just want to avoid another GTAO launch fiasco. If they released a buggy mess and called it the full game people would riot, but since its a "beta" then they can be forgiven. They didn't want people crashing the servers so they limited how many people could play on Day 1. And to be honest anyone who didn't expect the game to be like this probably didn't play GTAO pre-heists, even then Rockstar managed to disappoint me.

 

Premium currency? So they didn't learn anything, right? Instead of solving the issue with money glitching they decided to avoid it and implement another currency, one that will eventually replace the regular one. After five years they are still not prepared to deal with issues. At this point you can't even buy anything in-game, not even a set of clothes. Imagine GTA Online came out with the first month payments but with the latest DLC items, that's how this game feels.

 

I refuse to believe this is a beta, this is alpha state at best but most likely the first official patch. Let's face it, Rockstar online games are dead, I'm expecting some adjustments to make this playable. Played a few hours and got bored, if we thought driving a van to get paid sh*t was tedious now doing it while mashing X/A and having to slow down every minute is ten times worse.

 

I guess I'll stick to playing with the character creator some more. Ironically I think I've made more than the average player by only doing the tutorial over and over.

I'm not kidding myself, just adopting a wait and see attitude. I guess you can say it's an Alpha, or a Beta, go ahead and call it what you want. You can always just play SP, right? No is forcing you to play the Beta/Alpha. Don't play if it bothers you that much, seriously. 

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Bolderzz4

The only thing right now that is annoying me is the skrawny nag! It takes time to get the money to buy a horse and for half the time it to tell me mine is no where to be found but this stupid horse that runs for 2 seconds can find me just fine! I would understand if your horse died and you could have to go to stables to get it back but if not dead then why give me a grabage horse insead of the one I worked for..

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docholladay1976

I think Rockstars post yesterday helped me feel a bit better.  The goldbars annoyed me a bit because I've always defended the economy in GTAO.  Seeing as how regularly you can get treasure maps they don't seem so hard to accrue.  I've only played a few times this week, but each time money seems easier to get.  Currently anything I want is locked behind rank so it'll continue to build up. 

 

My only gripe is meeting strangers and getting dishoner points without having a choice.   The game grows on me each time, and I can remember when I hated GTAO, only playing to clear up trophies. 

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thegrognard

I'm gonna let this sit on the back-burner and simmer a few weeks along with Fallout 76 and hopefully both get better with age.

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Rykjeklut
13 hours ago, thegrognard said:

I'm gonna let this sit on the back-burner and simmer a few weeks along with Fallout 76 and hopefully both get better with age.

It's a sad time we're in when R* and Bethesda are brothers in awfulness.

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gtaisthecoolest

just wait more content will come it's like gta online in it's early stage it was boring

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Dlow-1962

I am not going to say its bad and to stay away, Online is still in its early stages (BETA).

 

but i do hope a few things are addressed,

  • payouts are low (cant say much about the online story missions other than i got a  payout of 8 bucks for one of them) looting is a waste of time after killing and looting 12 NPCs i had collected all of 93 cents..
  • a Passive mode option would be nice for those who only wish to try and hunt  and or fish or private lobbies 
  • i am still not sure why we have the option to pick a free roam area from the start menu, i have tried all of them and yet it spawns into the game me all over the map, and the players from other areas  come and go as they please ......
  • while in a posse the members cannot do anything except free roam, you cant trigger or join any kind of job unless you leave your posse, this is a little aggravating when the posse leader is afk or doing other stuff, and it would be nice to have the option as a member to be able to accept or reject a mission the posse leader starts, instead of being whisked away into the event they have started.......
  • we do need the option of a temporary camp, there are times when you might want to stop and cook food craft items ect, only to have to return to your camp which might be on the far corner of the map from where you are, Or hope you come across a NPC camp you can use..  
  • l am not sure why but at times the only things that will spawn in is the landscape........last night i rode from Blackwater to St Denis no wildlife spawned in anywhere, no NPCs period......St Denis was ghost town. the only moving characters on the map was other players 

 I know were still in BETA stages, and we will be seeing a lot of changes in the near future i hope, I enjoyed GTA5 from the day it was released on the PS3 and then the PS4  and i see the same long term game longevity with RDR2 Online 

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