RED DEAD ONLINE BETA LAUNCH

[Jason]

I meant survival more as in a horde mode lol, like GTAO's. But yea I'd love more living of the land stuff.

[DEADWOODZ]

A survival mode would be decent, used to love the undead nightmare one...but that got me wanting a full on zombie experience in free roam.

 

Edited December 5, 2018 by DEADWOODZ

[Lonely-Martin]

25 minutes ago, Jason said:

I meant survival more as in a horde mode lol, like GTAO's. But yea I'd love more living of the land stuff.

Oops, my mistake, lol.

 

But yeah, proper big survivals too, absolutely. Such a shame they weren't added to on the other side.

[Non Funkable Token]

Came back to RDO after a few days away.

 

Joined one of these "among friends" sessions. Got booted from a posse and spawnraped by 2 guys within seconds. 

 

Superfunny, eh? 

 

Call me when they implement PvE lobbies.

[Jason]

Hopefully the first tweaks will come tomorrow. Very interested to see where they start and what they do, I'm hoping that if they don't touch prices then they at least talk about if they plan on making changes there, or if they will reimburse people for any money lost if they do cut prices. I'm sitting on 2k cash now and I'm terrified to spend it incase they half the prices of weapons or something. 

[DEADWOODZ]

Sitting on 2k...I don’t think you will have to worry much, we shall see.

[Jason]

8 minutes ago, DEADWOODZ said:

Sitting on 2k...

when I close my eyes all I see is salmon and trout

 

send help

[DEADWOODZ]

Lmfao

I hear the sounds of a waterfall in my dreams...the salmon are talking to me.

[Jason]

I've not bought a ton of weapons or modded any in fairness, and I'm yet to buy a new horse, so my dosh has been building for a few days now. The only horse I really want is the Turkoman which is level 58 (for the first one which is luckily the one I want, anyway), been tempted to buy a Mustang or Half-Bred though cause the free Arabian sh*ts it self the moment it sees anything with teeth. But yea like I said I'm just waiting to see what they do with prices before I start spending on expensive stuff again.

[MVP]

I want classic team deathmatch and the ability to access it straight away. Hate the bow and arrow/knife matches in showdown series.

[DEADWOODZ]

I moved to large series showdowns to avoid, not the slightest bit interested in the bow & knife “br” matches also.

Edited December 6, 2018 by DEADWOODZ

[Emmi]

I quite enjoyed the Make it Count modes but I don't see the circle at all ... must be so big ... even if there's only 2 players left that you don't see it in the mini-map???

They really have to size it down or it takes forever to find the last enemy that shall be destroyed.

[Jason]

11 hours ago, MostWantedMVP said:

I want classic team deathmatch and the ability to access it straight away. Hate the bow and arrow/knife matches in showdown series.

Yep. 16v16 playlists pls and thanks Rockstar.

[DEADWOODZ]

Bring back the good old Mexican standoff also!

[Emmi]

2 hours ago, DEADWOODZ said:

Bring back the good old Mexican standoff also!

If they won't bring it back at the start of each showdown mode/event as it was in RDR1 ... they should at least add it as a new random free-roam event that appears every now and then and where you can participate in.

[dairyworker]

Not sure if this should be in a different thread or not.....

Using the map and catalog in the app is actually quite usefull. The catalog puchases will help by making it a little more convenient to pick up your items, by having more choice of where to go pick up your new coat or ammo. If the town nearby is full of asshats and clownshoes the post office nearby perhaps is not....

 

The map is immeasurably more useful. I know not everyone will like to use it, it makes my phone pretty hot and is a batter killer, but it makes it very easy to see who is around and who is in town up ahead without having to pause the game or expand the mini map (which barely helps imo) constantly. I used it this morning and it was a great help to me. I was even able to use cinematic cam and smoke a bowl during my travels cuse i could see everything with just a quick glance at my phone.  I highly recommend you all at least try it out.

Edited December 6, 2018 by dairyworker

[Jason]

So what are people spending their gold bars on, anything in particular? Not sure there's anything that I want in all honesty, I may buy a high level holster and gunbelt just to "complete" a unique look, but I dunno. Gun customisation seems like an ezpz way to blow all 15 in one second lol.

[DEADWOODZ]

Nothing really, i ain't interested in the whole cosmetic stuff...i honestly don't know what to get, and don't wanna have any doubts after I've bought something lel.

Edited December 6, 2018 by DEADWOODZ

[Jason]

Honestly all I want is a f*cking Turkoman. 23 levels to go till I can buy one and after that idgaf for anything else in the game currently. I really hope a 16v16 PvP playlist comes up next week, I do enjoy them and they're good exp but free for alls drive me up the wall. Either that or they add some great leveling content next week or something. I just wanna level at this point but all the best methods are either large showdowns or cheese (and boring) methods.

[Lonely-Martin]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

So what are people spending their gold bars on, anything in particular? Not sure there's anything that I want in all honesty, I may buy a high level holster and gunbelt just to "complete" a unique look, but I dunno. Gun customisation seems like an ezpz way to blow all 15 in one second lol.

3 lures to allow me to fish early. Beyond that, as I think horse insurance is cash now, nothing. 

 

Too many cosmetics are locked to gold only, and I either want the lot, of sod all. As a PvE guy, don't need gun mods either.

 

IMO, much wasted potential so far, we'll see what happens over the holidays, but I'm losing confidence in the game personally. Fishing and a bit of hunting between some GTA is A-ok though.

[Jason]

They still have a lot of work to do with the economy but yea, how quickly they get content out makes or breaks the game. The sandbox gameplay with friends is great but there's a real lack of meaty progression content to do here once you've wrapped up what exists of the story and dabbled in the various other things. I can see people hitting a wall at around level 25-30 because that's when the natural interest in trying all this stuff runs out, post-30 leveling atm is aaaaaaall hard grinding.

 

There's no wasted potential at all IMO it's more of a case of their being a lot of unused potential. It's barebones, there's no getting around that, but there's so many possibilities for some great open world PvE and PvP content. I do wonder if they held anything back to roll out during beta, IIRC they implied that they do have some stuff to come during it but we'll see I guess.

[Lonely-Martin]

27 minutes ago, Jason said:

They still have a lot of work to do with the economy but yea, how quickly they get content out makes or breaks the game. The sandbox gameplay with friends is great but there's a real lack of meaty progression content to do here once you've wrapped up what exists of the story and dabbled in the various other things. I can see people hitting a wall at around level 25-30 because that's when the natural interest in trying all this stuff runs out, post-30 leveling atm is aaaaaaall hard grinding.

 

There's no wasted potential at all IMO it's more of a case of their being a lot of unused potential. It's barebones, there's no getting around that, but there's so many possibilities for some great open world PvE and PvP content. I do wonder if they held anything back to roll out during beta, IIRC they implied that they do have some stuff to come during it but we'll see I guess.

I guess, it's just they announced this beta to be a game that all can play, alone or together. Lead me to believe there would be more choice. It's 8 missions, or PvP. Compared to old gens GTA V this is very lacking, that's what I mean by wasted potential. There's bugs galore, and I feel had they added lobby choice from day one, and more content all round, the game would see far less criticism and the bugs (speculating as I'm not a tech minded guy) would be about the same really, and certainly easier to put up with if I wasn't seeing the other shenanigans. I dislike the cheating/glitching/exploiting too much too. Further to that, we'd be testing more quicker and they'd be able to address more quicker, then we get a fuller game now, and much to come.

 

They likely will add during the official Beta, but like GTA, I'd not be surprised if we're in an unofficial Beta for a year or more. GTA has felt like a testing ground for so long, that adds to my disappointment too.

 

You're right, there is huge potential for this game, Mega. But it really does feel so limited right now that it's hard to care what comes until I know I'm going to be enabled as much as a PvP player with options. If it's 'months, not weeks' going by their statement, that would be a huge shame, IMO. The game really does feel as though PvE is to be gone, all but a quick story. And even they get griefed with all the freedom those players have to be trouble all round.

 

Racing (Again, only PvP races though) is a mockery, how they didn't learn from GTA over the AFK nonsense is comical, DM's and such naturally aren't me so no comment, but 8 missions is a joke I feel. Again, I'll see out the holiday period and enjoy what I can, but the cosmetics system is just the icing on a real lame cake for me. So little interest in that area of the game as cash is excluded from the purchases too often. Should be optional both for cash or gold.

 

The way this game is set, sharkcards look saintly. A far better system, and as that was so successful, it's left me at a bit of a loss as to why they didn't stick with it instead of this mobile-esque sh*t.

 

Horses mean nothing to me really, killed too often to bother investing. And the camp is a complete joke with how it's either broken, or just a really bad design.

 

Sorry for the rant, I really have tried so much to get as much from the game as I could, but it's all just so 'meh' right now. Time will tell. (Man, I feel better now, lol).

Edited December 7, 2018 by Lonely-Martin
Spelling. By all means delete this ramble, not meaning to be an arse.

[dairyworker]

As much of a mess as gtaonline was at the start, i was at least able to explore and check out the world with only my friends. Also, not sure how many were actually there in the early days, but to say that gtaonline was anywhere near as bare bones as this is just wrong. We had a significant amount more things to do. I am getting more and more concerned though that there has been no mention of why we are forced into one lobby together. I really don't think seperated lobbies are coming at this point, and it kills me to think thats a real possibility. I also do not think they will change the biggest issues i have with the "economy" having what are certainly the most popular items (not the most powerful) only purchaseable with gold is super weak, and i dont think the abilities and other such things will get touched, and tbey are currently at a price i wont even think about.

 

Stop telling me i have an empty ability slot.... i am not spending $50 dollars on that shiz or $350 to upgrade it    lol

[Jason]

Shark cards still look bloody awful to me lol. Monetising literally your only form of progression is rule 1 in what not to do. It'd be like Diablo or Destiny monetising loot, it makes no f*cking sense.

 

But I do think that they could have implemented gold bars better. There are games that have both in-game cash and a premium currency as part of the games economy but it's a difficult balance to get right, you need multiple paths of progression which aren't tied to microtransactions at all, but RDO doesn't have that because like GTAO's progression RDO's is built entirely around cash. There's nothing else to progress, cash is your source of growth and power, it's why GTAO is 100% pay to win. If RDO removed gold bars from the economy completely by making them only attainable through real money purchase you would make it so the microtransactions have no influence at all on the games progression which would be the ideal scenario.

 

As it stands though having gold bars earnable through gameplay and making it part of the games progression is... Uhhh... Right now it doesn't seem to be having any damaging effects, hell, I'd even say there's literally no reason to buy gold bars at the moment even if you could, but in the long run there's the potential for some real shady sh*t. I'd have more faith in them long-term if they didn't say gold bars would be for cosmetics only even though you can buy guns with them (not a huge deal) and there's horses with straight up superior health/stamina stats for gold bars only, which is not good.

 

That all being said, it's very early days, it's still early beta, they're being unusually open about what they're doing with the game, which is good! The games problem, economy aside, is lack of content, which is a relatively easy problem to fix. They seem to be listening to feedback so I expect the PvE crowd are being heard loud and clear. Just gotta be patient I guess, the game isn't going anywhere.

[DEADWOODZ]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

Honestly all I want is a f*cking Turkoman. 23 levels to go till I can buy one and after that idgaf for anything else in the game currently. I really hope a 16v16 PvP playlist comes up next week, I do enjoy them and they're good exp but free for alls drive me up the wall. Either that or they add some great leveling content next week or something. I just wanna level at this point but all the best methods are either large showdowns or cheese (and boring) methods.

ngl, large showdowns are now starting to drain on me. Although I’m now digging the payouts from them...let’s hope they push something w/ more variety soon.

[Jason]

1 minute ago, DEADWOODZ said:

ngl, large showdowns are now starting to drain on me. Although I’m now digging the payouts from them...let’s hope they push something w/ more variety soon.

Yea I don't think I could knock 10-20+ hours of showdown grinding out like some seem to be doing but I could definitely get my self a good few levels from it if they added a team playlist. The economy needs sorting but they really need to have a look at leveling too and sorting that out, either through some new content (survival modes etc) or buffing the exp rewards for missions.

[Lonely-Martin]

@Jason. Oh, without doubt. Shark cards are poison. I fully agree it's killing gaming in many ways. I was making the point that this system is worse, IMO.

 

And while I like to see them opening up, I'm not convinced it's player feedback as opposed to bad press elsewhere. The economy is all over the web. It wasn't just us gamers knocking it all, I do feel.

 

Otherwise, I do agree with you. Just a bit flat, and with other crap like the gold, and no info on plans, it's just a bit frustrating for me. I'm disappointed this hasn't captured my imagination like GTA did, and RDR2's absolutely stunning story too. It's that story mode that see's me give the time, because if online can even half match what I got from single player, this game will be a hard one to top, and will compliment what I get from GTA:O so much. But if PvE is to be gone long term, I'm waiting for disappointment, that I dislike to consider.

 

But I get ya, I'll wait and send much feedback and really do hope you are right and they are listening to us, as much as the press or other areas online.

Edited December 7, 2018 by Lonely-Martin
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[Jason]

Yea it's a fair comment about the economy changes potentially being because of the bad press. They've had a few moments over the past year or so where they've done "good" things because they were shamed (modding fiasco, 100hr work week fiasco).

 

It's funny, before RDO launched I figured that RDO's state at launch would tell us what we need to know about where Rockstar stand on online games, grinding, moneitsation etc but honestly... It's still up in the air. The microtransaction hand is still pretty light in RDO and outside a few things it has no negative impact when it comes to fairness. I know some people take issue with certain cosmetics being locked by gold bars only, but I personally have zero problems with that if it benefits progression - I want me and everyone to earn their power, ya'know?

[Lonely-Martin]

7 minutes ago, Jason said:

Yea it's a fair comment about the economy changes potentially being because of the bad press. They've had a few moments over the past year or so where they've done "good" things because they were shamed (modding fiasco, 100hr work week fiasco).

 

It's funny, before RDO launched I figured that RDO's state at launch would tell us what we need to know about where Rockstar stand on online games, grinding, moneitsation etc but honestly... It's still up in the air. The microtransaction hand is still pretty light in RDO and outside a few things it has no negative impact when it comes to fairness. I know some people take issue with certain cosmetics being locked by gold bars only, but I personally have zero problems with that if it benefits progression - I want me and everyone to earn their power, ya'know?

Yeah, they really have a chance to genuinely score a great 'win' here with this game. That potential can go both ways of course, but I do like that they at least appear to be listening too. I hope that continues and in a little while, we're all having a blinding Christmas of gaming. 

 

Great chat, I though I'd be slammed for that, lol. Thanks Jason. I love that many here are passionate about this game, and GTA over the other side. And to see the great ideas we gamers can come up with does excite me for the future of it all too. Makes me glad to have found here.

[tonko]

On 12/4/2018 at 10:14 PM, Emmi said:

Meanwhile I'm just sitting here wondering ... Why are you all destroying the experience with grinding EXP, money, etc.???

I do enjoy RDO and I don't grind anything ... I'm just participating in the free-roam events, doing showdown matches every now and then, a few races here and there and the rest I fill with side-missions and being an outlaw in a community that don't want us no more. You mostly meet me in New Austin.

New Austin is the beez neez, love being out there. If they ever introduce ranches, i'm gonna buy myself some land in Cholla Springs cause i love RDR 1 too much.

 

Except they open up borders with Mexico, then i'm buying ranch near Chuparosa. 

On 12/6/2018 at 12:21 AM, Jason said:

I meant survival more as in a horde mode lol, like GTAO's. But yea I'd love more living of the land stuff.

You mean like in the Undead Nightmare? Where 4 guys delayed death and killed zombies.