Shark Cards: Buying In-Game Money With Real Money

[Mik73]

My position is simple -  If you want my money, you better provide me some value for what I'm buying.  And by 'value' I mean, what am I getting in game terms per dollar vs other products/games/pastimes etc.  Most of us aren't made of money. And from where I'm sitting, Shark Cards represent one of the poorest values in all of gaming in terms of 'what you get for what you spend'.  Some of which is hilariously offensive...like you have to spend something like $80-100 for a largely worthless Gold plated aeroplane. Whereas you could spend the same amount and get.... all of Red Dead Redemption 2. 

 

1 plane, or a couple cars with little to no performance benefit vs 8 years of game development and an entire game full of assets, content, story, depth, gameplay, etc, etc.  It's absurd.

 

I would gladly have thrown R* piles of money if I sensed they were playing fair with their prices or the value of content I could get for it.  They weren't, so I didn't. Whatever money they made on GTA...they could have made more from guys like me. But they priced themselves out of the picture for most of us, and allowed their game balance to suffer as a consequence.

 

I sincerely hope they have more in mind then just poorly balanced cash cards for a lump of cash. It's just so lazy. Give me DLC packs, services, boosts, time-limited perks, some quality of life benefits (without being cruel to those who don't pony up), as well as the usual cosmetic stuff. Price it right and if you have a product worth playing, we'll stick around. If we don't feel gouged to death, or crushed by a vicious grind, people will be less resistant to throwing you a few bucks now and then. Millions of people deciding to give you 'a few bucks now and then' for something tangible and proportionate in terms of value/$ can add up over the years. 

 

Guess we'll find out in a few hours. 

[Sootyjared]

If shark cards are implemented, what will they be? Shark treasure chests? Credit cards weren’t around during that time so I doubt they would be called shark cards. 

 

Also how would the money be given to the player? 

[Jedster]

As far as I am concerned, let ppl buy what they want to... it's their money, BUT when I look at GTAO it's "grind for hours" or "pay for shark cards" and by grind I mean grind like hell with no fun what so ever, you literally have to work, sell goods, drive it across the map just so some douche with deluxo can blow you up mid way. Well, I work IRL so I have no desire to do so in games as well.

If the content was even worth it, I'd say fine... but really there is nothing that would motivate me to spend time or money on that game. Overpriced vehicles, properties, and practically everything just so you are more motivated to buy in game cash. I had garage full of tuned cars and end up using one, choppers, planes, everything pointless. 

Look at SP prices of cars and tuning for example, than look at prices in GTAO...

The one actually fun activity - missions and such, are rewarded so poorly that nobody plays them, and you cannot even utilized the vehicles you bought in those missions most of the time. That is my definition of broken economy. Rant over, sorry for that.

 

I am really worried that R*/T2 will go the same way with RDO and I'd hate to see this awesome game become something like GTAO.

It's the matter of balance and if they do it right, I have no problem with shark cards. However I am pretty skeptical about it, also I don't think we will see shark cards before game leave the beta stage but who knows, ppl are greeeedy...

 

 

[Dr.Rosenthal]

I’m kind of fine with microtransactions and I have bought a couple Shark Cards in the past, that was around 2014-2016. I bought TLaD and TBoGT for GTAIV and I bought Undead Nightmare for RDR1 - and the way I see it; when I paid for Shark Cards for GTAO it would roughly equal what I’d pay for standalone DLC had that been released instead.

 

If RDO proves to be a fun and engaging experience with much support and consistent new (interesting) content, I could very well see myself paying for in-game currency some time during next year.

 

I stopped buying Shark Cards around the same time as (or rather before) flying motorcycles and cars entered the arena. I still enjoy GTAO though, and I got plenty of money in the bank to buy anything I want nowadays. I know it’s a difficult subject and I’m not 100% pleased by what GTAO has become, but at the same time I’ve gotten plenty of entertainment out of it and I definitely feel that R* has deserved the money they got from me.

Just a couple of cents while I’m anxiously waiting to roam the frontier with my fellow gunmen..

Edited November 27, 2018 by Dr.Rosenthal

[Mister Pink]

9 hours ago, McGhee said:

No one works for free and no one should. We all want to make money to make spending it easier. The bigger the cusion, the softer the fall. 

Anyway, if shark card revenue was non existant, so would GTAO be and RDR2 wouldn't be as awesome as it is now. And if RDO is any good IMO, I'll gladly contribute small amounts to support the company. Heck, I don't work for free either. 

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That's my problem. This fallacy that Online can't be great without Shark Cards. Where is your evidence for that? 

 

Also "GTAO and RD2 wouldn't be as awesome" - again, making assumptions that the success or awesomeness of Rockstar Games's games is due to revenue received by Shark Cards. Look, we had GTA III, Vice City and San Andreas and there wasn't even online. We also had GTA IV online which was a lot of fun.  San Andrea MP was community driven and lot of fun. Not a Shark Card in sight. So, I don't accept your argument there. 

 

Also, GTA Online isn't awesome for me and many others. So that's purely subjective on your part. My unhappiness with GTAO is rooted in Shark Cards. Simply because in Shark Cardless online world, everyone unlocks and earns rewards by playing. So the level of bank and rank you have is equal to that of your skill and time you put into the game. Mixing people that don't buy Shark Cards in with people that do is a moronic practice and seemingly the irony is lost on many people when it's also a game about earning in-game money by playing the game and clearly there is an option to buy money in a game about playing for money. It's ridiculous at best. 

 

Also, I'm willing to pay for DLC and would pay for once off fee for Online or pay for online DLC updates. That way everyone that has the DLC has the same opportunity in the game. 

 

Rockstar's excuse is that they don't want to split the fanbase so they make it free to access.. So that means we get every Tom, Dick and Harry, playing online and nobody cares about anything. It's free, so why should we care, right? But look. It's free because they want as many potential people on the platform to buy Shark Cards.  It's like an online store, of course, they want to make free for anyone. Have you see the prices of Shark Cards and the grind fest it is? It's a horrible marketing ploy. I'm not against companies making money. I'm absolutely for it! But the "free-to-play" Shark Cards method isn't the best way. 

 

GTAO sales funnel is genius and rewarding for Rockstar/T2 and pathetic and unconsumer friendly for us: 

 

• Make it "free-to-play" to get as many people into your massive online store (GTAO)
• Everyone drunk with "free DLC" update love
• People download the "free DLC" and are champions of the experience and all their friends are there. 
• Then increase the in-game price of everything so it becomes an almost unobtainable slug trying to get things without Shark Cards
• People start to realize they won't get the things they want in-game because they've been grinding enough and they want it now. 
• Person buys Shark Card. 
• When challenged that person defends their decision to buy Shark Cards because they're deep with the sunken cost fallacy now. 

This method of making revenue might seem OK to the dad who can only play on Sundays and just wants stuff quick but this method does not suit life-long fans of the game.  Shark Cards, suit casuals, dads that can't play much,  and people that probably don't play games much or care about games that much or aren't spending their own cash. 

 

Why is a system is set up for casuals and dads that can't play much so the rest of us have to slug through grinding or PAYING in a game where the game is supposed to be in pursuit of the almighty dollar but you use REAL cash? 

 

Why bother? Imagine there was Shark Cards in single player? Can anyone not see the irony or PAY TO WIN in a game that's supposed to be about playing to earn cash?

 

@Dr.Rosenthal: I understand your reasoning that buying a shark card is like paying for what you would have paid for in DLC. My argument is that then you mix people that paid with people that didn't so it's an unequal mess of people in one session of people that pay and non-payers. Why is that an issue for me? Well, in my view, GTA Online or an Online world is more ideal if everyone is on a level playing field. So, if you see me with 2 Apartments and 10 Lambos, you know I played the game for them and earned those rewards by completing missions and tasks. 

 

Basically a game about acquiring wealth  - your in-game wealth should reflect the time and effort you put in to the game, not the amount of Shark Cards you bought. 

 

Make everyone buy DLC. f*ck splitting the fanbase! You think your favorite band thinks about "splitting the fanbase" when they charge you at the door for their concert? Don't buy that "split the fanbase" bullsh*t for a second. 

 

Edited November 27, 2018 by Mister Pinkerton

[Dr.Rosenthal]

@Mister Pinkerton I have to ask (and I’m sorry if it’s been explained already), but what would the alternative be?

[TheSantader25]

 

I don't have a problem if the game is not grindy. I prefer them over paid DLC because I HAVE TO pay for that. I will never buy a shark card and never will. Noobs are still noobs and it won't change if they pay for shark cards if the dev balances the game. Which R* failed(intentionally) to do so after 2015 with online. Let's see how this turns out. 

Edited November 27, 2018 by TheSantader25

[kenmy13999]

14 hours ago, McGhee said:

 

If you got everything out of the free DLC without paying a cent besides the base game, yes, you are a leecher, because other people are paying for your extended fun in GTAO. You shouldn't contribute more, but complain less, spoken in general. There are so many complainers who never paid an extra cent for the content they nag about for ages already on the other side of the forums. Things other people pay for to make it happen. Talk about stuff that just doesn't feel right. 

In another post you talk about how optional sharkcards are and now you're a leech if you don't buy them? Might be just me but I find that kind of funny, no offence and neither is the rest of my post meant to be

And as a customer of a "free game" you don't get the right to say or complain about anything unless you pay money for said free game?

Imo you should be allowed to say both positive and negative as a customer even if the service is free with optional ways to pay. You pay to get money in game or support the company, not to have the right to complain? 

I also bought gtav three times so I think I should be able to say something even tho I never bought a Sharkcard.. 

 

 

I also saw you say that people payed for gtav and that gtao is a free game, the same argument will probably be happening with RDR2/O. Is there a place I can download only the online part without buying the single player game?

If you have to buy one game to get the other game, it's really not a free standalone game 

 

 It's also a little funny thinking about how most people complain about how bad freemode part of Gtao is and you don't want them to complain, even tho that's the reason why you always play alone in the sessions

 

I think it's relatively safe to say that microtransactions are here to stay and I think that the way R* did with gtao might have been the best way. And for the record I don't have anything against people buying fish cards. 

 

[DentureDynamite]

19 hours ago, R3CON said:

Microtransactions are here to stay. They have been and currently remain a significant source of consistent revenue for Take Two Interactive. There's no doubt that Red Dead Online has been designed to facilitate the sale of future microtransactions. 

 

Sure there's hope things will be measured and less aggressive/mandatory than they were in GTA Online, but from a business standpoint there's no reason why they wouldn't be. I'm thinking their strategy will be reserved at first and ramp up over time. Nevertheless, the Red Dead version of Shark Cards will be a factor and it will be something we'll have to deal with as future DLC is released.

 

This is how games are now.

 

Hopefully they have enough alternatives for those who aren't down with paying to play without being too much of a grind (or without putting players at too much of a disadvantage). 

Nothing new; but as free as game companies are to make as much money as they want in-game, they will screw over game play fun--and game play balance--in the process.

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, kenmy13999 said:

In another post you talk about how optional sharkcards are and now you're a leech if you don't buy them? Might be just me but I find that kind of funny, no offence and neither is the rest of my post meant to be

And as a customer of a "free game" you don't get the right to say or complain about anything unless you pay money for said free game?

Imo you should be allowed to say both positive and negative as a customer even if the service is free with optional ways to pay. You pay to get money in game or support the company, not to have the right to complain? 

I also bought gtav three times so I think I should be able to say something even tho I never bought a Sharkcard.. 

 

 

I also saw you say that people payed for gtav and that gtao is a free game, the same argument will probably be happening with RDR2/O. Is there a place I can download only the online part without buying the single player game?

If you have to buy one game to get the other game, it's really not a free standalone game 

 

 It's also a little funny thinking about how most people complain about how bad freemode part of Gtao is and you don't want them to complain, even tho that's the reason why you always play alone in the sessions

 

I think it's relatively safe to say that microtransactions are here to stay and I think that the way R* did with gtao might have been the best way. And for the record I don't have anything against people buying fish cards. 

 

 

You're a bit late to the party, but if you READ what I have written, you will understand that I never said freeloaders/leechers may not complain, but could complain LESS. Does that word has any meaning to those who creatively bend whatever I've written down here? There's a whole lot of them complaining on the GTAO forums without ever paying a cent. I don't give a damn if people do not wish or aren't able to pay up, but if you don't like what you get for free, stop complaining and stop using what you don't like. Problem solved. With all due respect, our opinions about which part of the game we paid for has nothing to do with it. Rockstar says we pay for GTAV and get free access to GTAO, because we own a copy of GTAV. Doesn't matter what we think, how we translate it, you won't get a refund if Online doesn't work for you in any way. Online is only free when you own a copy of GTAV. I didn't make that up. It's the cold hard facts.

If I sell you a cigarette for $6 and give you a cardboard box with 19 extra cigarettes for free, you still pay for 1 cigarette. Might you not appreciate the free 19 including the box, you get 1 cigarette for $6. If any of the other 19 cigarettes taste funky, I'll sure not restitute you any money. I will if the one you bought tastes funky. See how this works? 

 

[concolt]

The payout is terrible on here.  The most I’ve gotten so far is 2.55.  You spend more than that on the ammo you use for the mission.

[Rykjeklut]

My god this game seems geared towards getting you to buy Gold at every opportunity.

 

f*ck all in terms of payout,  and the"GOLD" button is always there, in a slightly bigger font.

[ALifeOfMisery]

Can only echo what others are saying. Payouts are garbage.

 

Geared towards buying gold, 100 nuggets per bar, my UE bonus horse insurance is 5 bars, so 500 nuggets.

 

F*ck knows how much gold will cost in terms of real money. I won't be buying any.

[kenmy13999]

1 hour ago, McGhee said:

 

. With all due respect, our opinions about which part of the game we paid for has nothing to do with it. Rockstar says we pay for GTAV and get free access to GTAO, because we own a copy of GTAV. Doesn't matter what we think, how we translate it, you won't get a refund if Online doesn't work for you in any way. Online is only free when you own a copy of GTAV. I didn't make that up. It's the cold hard facts.

 

 

You got one thing right, you didn't make it up, R* did.. 

This is just a marketing tactic and doesn't really have anything to do with your or mine opinion, doesn't matter how R* is marketing it, it isn't free if you have to buy one thing to get another, that's cold hard facts. You will never ever get the "free" item if you don't buy the other one

They could also say 'two for the price of one' but, you still have to buy one to get one. Both is well known marketing tricks.. 

 

 

Another thing you probably got wrong is that people doesn't complain because they don't like the game or hate it, if that was the case, most people would just move on and don't think any more about it.

Looking on it from a business point of view it's actually not a bad thing that people complain about the game, it shows that they're passionate about it and still care about it, it's a lot worse the day it gets really quiet because that means people have moved on and doesn't care about it anymore. 

I'm quite certain that you actually have a much bigger problem with people complaining than R* have.

 

 

Guess you don't complain if people sh*tt on your doorstep as long as they provide it for free.. 

 

I'll try and keep this as my last reply because I don't think it's any point continuing any further 

 

[Lonely-Martin]

Just now, ALifeOfMisery said:

Geared towards buying gold, 100 nuggets per bar, my UE bonus horse insurance is 5 bars, so 500 nuggets.

@ 0.03 a job!!!

 

No f*cking way! Really?

[ALifeOfMisery]

1 minute ago, Lonely-Martin said:

@ 0.03 a job!!!

 

No f*cking way! Really?

Seriously.

 

Two currencies, cash and gold. Gold is geared up as something to buy with real money. It's earned at a painfully slow rate.

 

Cash isn't much better. Tiny payouts as others have posted. $1000 weapons.

 

Honestly, RDO is going to be a f*cking nightmarish grind if the payouts aren't buffed.

 

It's a complete joke. I've already stopped playing for the day.

[Rykjeklut]

Just now, ALifeOfMisery said:

 

It's a complete joke. I've already stopped playing for the day.

I stopped, went back in to story, and then I turned of my Playstation. I think those 2 hours killed my lust for this game.

[Lonely-Martin]

2 minutes ago, ALifeOfMisery said:

Seriously.

 

Two currencies, cash and gold. Gold is geared up as something to buy with real money. It's earned at a painfully slow rate.

 

Cash isn't much better. Tiny payouts as others have posted. $1000 weapons.

 

Honestly, RDO is going to be a f*cking nightmarish grind if the payouts aren't buffed.

 

It's a complete joke. I've already stopped playing for the day.

Jesus f*cking Christ.

 

Not one lesson learned, not one complaint heard. (From my POV). And after a fairly decent year IMO in GTA. I feel hoodwinked a bit here, especially as I can't still play. 

 

Smh

Edited November 27, 2018 by Lonely-Martin
Spelling fail.

[ALifeOfMisery]

10 minutes ago, Lonely-Martin said:

Jesus f*cking Christ.

 

Not one lesson learned, not one complaint heard. (From my POV). And after a fairly decent year IMO in GTA. I feel hoodwinked a bit here, especially as I can't still play. 

 

Smh

Honestly mate, I know this isn't the thread for it, but the list of what R* hasn't learned is ridiculous.

 

The money as has been described above. Grind fest by design. Completely geared towards buying gold with real money 

 

No lobby options, at all. 100% public only.

 

Free aim and auto aim players in the same lobby.

 

Character creator is a bunch of body type presets, preset head and face features plus some complexion options.

 

Griefing/killing other players seems to have little deterrent, if any at all. Players running around towns in huge gunfights with no police presence that I can see. I got killed in Valentine, near the stable, I killed the guy 3 times, then got killed again. No wanted, no bounty, nothing.

 

I was all geared up for an all nighter, I'm now watching Netflix with the Mrs. Which, after all the hours I put into GTAO and all the praise I've showered on RDR2, says a lot about the state RDO has been released in, even as a beta.

 

I'm horribly, horribly disappointed.

[Lonely-Martin]

9 minutes ago, ALifeOfMisery said:

Honestly mate, I know this isn't the thread for it, but the list of what R* hasn't learned is ridiculous.

 

The money as has been described above. Grind fest by design. Completely geared towards buying gold with real money 

 

No lobby options, at all. 100% public only.

 

Free aim and auto aim players in the same lobby.

 

Character creator is a bunch of body type presets, preset head and face features plus some complexion options.

 

Griefing/killing other players seems to have little deterrent, if any at all. Players running around towns in huge gunfights with no police presence that I can see. I got killed in Valentine, near the stable, I killed the guy 3 times, then got killed again. No wanted, no bounty, nothing.

 

I was all geared up for an all nighter, I'm now watching Netflix with the Mrs. Which, after all the hours I put into GTAO and all the praise I've showered on RDR2, says a lot about the state RDO has been released in, even as a beta.

 

I'm horribly, horribly disappointed.

I have no words and likewise, resorted to other entertainment tonight. I'll give it until all can play and more is known (not to say you've not hit the nail here mind) and see if things improve.

 

All public is a major problem for me after GTA's focus there.

[Guest]

40 minutes ago, ALifeOfMisery said:

Seriously.

 

Two currencies, cash and gold. Gold is geared up as something to buy with real money. It's earned at a painfully slow rate.

 

Cash isn't much better. Tiny payouts as others have posted. $1000 weapons.

 

Honestly, RDO is going to be a f*cking nightmarish grind if the payouts aren't buffed.

 

It's a complete joke. I've already stopped playing for the day.

 

Well, there are free guns to get from the catalogue. A volcanic too, so there is no need to buy that 1000$ gun. Probably just cash amounts to keep the beta balanced and focused on how missions play out, without too much unbalanced weaponry. Seen that happen more often in Beta stages in other games. Speaking out of hope here, mind you.

[ghostsoap01]

Man this is so disappointing. I really hope R* takes criticism on this beta, and fixes these issues when the beta period ends.

 

I assumed solo lobbies were gonna be included by default. I ALWAYS played gtao in solo / invite only sessions, and was hoping the same would be possible here. So incredibly disappointing to hear. Its like all the complaints about "this business selling should be possible in solo sessions" were not only ignored, but actually used as inspiration to design rdro.

 

I'm also really disappointed to hear about the pricing of items. It seems that executive who claimed gtao was "under-monetized" got his wish with rdro.

[ALifeOfMisery]

Just now, McGhee said:

 

Well, there are free guns to get from the catalogue. A volcanic too, so there is no need to buy that 1000$ gun. Probably just cash amounts to keep the beta balanced and focused on how missions play out, without too much unbalanced weaponry. Seen that happen more often in Beta stages in other games. Speaking out of hope here, mind you.

Genuinely admire your optimism dude.

 

I never planned on getting Mausers anyway, was just an example. 

 

I too have hope of buffs and balencing, but I can't help being bitterly disappointed right now. 

[Mik73]

Well I was pleasantly surprised to see 2 currencies at least. To me that's a start. At least it does potentially set them up to balance affordable 'in game cash' items, and then have the stuff you buy with Gold Bars. I've purposely avoided doing any maths to see just what kind of grind we're facing here. And it definitely sounds like it's not in our favour at the moment. But at this point my biggest beef is the single Lobby Type, with mandatory unavoidable PVP and zero consequences. The 'zero consequences' thing comes as a bit of a shock. I assumed there would be a fairly robust bounty system in place. Haven't seen or heard of anything yet.

 

This is very much a fragile shell of an Online game at this point. A true Beta. I really hope it's just their way of shaking out the network and application code. Ran into a few bugs tonight (all reported to their site). Maybe they just need everyone smashed together into one lobby type as a stress test before opening things up. I really hope that's the case, otherwise...yeah I don't see myself sticking around to be brutally honest. Dabbling in PVP missions every once in a while is fine. But I need my peace and quiet (with friends).

 

Solo/Invite/Crew lobbies would be nice of course. But really a game like this is begging for a Free Roam PVE lobby. I do want to play with strangers, meet up, go on impromptu quests, then go our separate ways. You know, an actual non-toxic style of gameplay. But without having to worry about getting my head blown off every time I wander into town to sell some skins or just buy a drink at the bar.  I'd love them to try this on for size: Run PVP and PVE lobbies in parallel...see which is more popular. Their 2 Currency system and multitude of Gameplay options (crafting, gathering, decay, buffs, upgrades to gear and player, etc) along with steady Cosmetic releases should entice people to pony up some cash for a nice treat or boost every once in a while. Other games are flourishing with that system.

 

[Guest]

13 hours ago, ALifeOfMisery said:

Genuinely admire your optimism dude.

 

I never planned on getting Mausers anyway, was just an example. 

 

I too have hope of buffs and balencing, but I can't help being bitterly disappointed right now. 

 

I have absolutely no clue on what people are expecting from a beta release we happen to get early access on. Heck, I'd even expected it be worse than what I've seen so far. The gripes I've encountered are player related and not much technically related yet. 

I've played a lot of beta versions of games and never expected a smooth polished 99% finished product, but more often less than half of it. 

I'm not being optimistic. I'm being realistic and so far, the technical state the game is in isn't so bad. Time will tell what comes next, what gets improved, edited and all. There's still a long way to go.

 

think of it this way. If they want you to grind your ass off to buy something, they'll have to provide you the content to grind too. If a gun goes for 4 gold bars and you get 0.02 on average, you'll need 50 missions to get 1 bar, 200 missions to buy a gun. No one is gonna grind 200x the same missions for a lousy gun. No one will resort to buy gold for a lousy gun either, unless it's 0,99ct or something. 

We know nothing about it yet. Perhaps they themselves don't know yet. 

That's what beta is for.

Edited November 28, 2018 by Guest

[RAND0M GRAFFITI]

Man.... the sense of entitlement and need for instant gratification is real nowadays. Why does everything need to be obtainable in the first week? Albeit, it is a little steep right now but I'm glad that you need to make wise choices with your in-game money, and nobody is going to have everything for a good long while. I've played enough Rockstar games to know that this one will be around for a while before the next title comes out, so what's the rush? 

[Mister Pink]

On 11/27/2018 at 2:06 PM, Dr.Rosenthal said:

@Mister Pinkerton I have to ask (and I’m sorry if it’s been explained already), but what would the alternative be?

 Pay to play online. Everyone pays for large DLC. That way, anyone playing has had the same advantage in-game. 

 

The main rebuttal against this is "splitting the fanbase." Well look, your favorite band doesn't cry about splitting the fanbase when they charge money at the door of the concert venue, do they?  If someone can afford to buy a 60-70 quid game they afford 15 or so for DLC every now and then. But that is convenient for the greedy bastards at Rockstar/T2

 

If anything goes wrong with Online, nobody really has the right to complain then, because it's free. It don't like this model at all. It's not consumer-friendly. 

Edited November 29, 2018 by Mister Pinkerton

[TheSantader25]

4 hours ago, Mister Pinkerton said:

 Pay to play online. Everyone pays for large DLC. That way, anyone playing has had the same advantage in-game. 

 

The main rebuttal against this is "splitting the fanbase." Well look, your favorite band doesn't cry about splitting the fanbase when they charge money at the door of the concert venue, do they?  If someone can afford to buy a 60-70 quid game they afford 15 or so for DLC every now and then. But that is convenient for the greedy bastards at Rockstar/T2

 

If anything goes wrong with Online, nobody really has the right to complain then, because it's free. It don't like this model at all. It's not consumer-friendly. 

I'm against the current state but I'm also against paid DLC. I never really want to spend more than 60 on a game.(Yeah I'm quite desperate) But at the same time I really don't know what's the best thing a dev can do to make money and have a consumer friendly multiplayer.