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It was based on a completely new story about a famous outlaw Arthur Morgan and his struggles in the Wild West etc. 

 

I didn’t really like the Dutch’s gang nor most of its members, some of them were really useless and not to mention unused. Also the end was very predictable that Arthur would die in some form

 

IMO it would have been so much better. 

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... New Austin played a role in the story! I feel like it's just there for fan service and RDO of course! I appreciate it :)

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5 minutes ago, Emmi said:

... New Austin played a role in the story! I feel like it's just there for fan service and RDO of course! I appreciate it :)

Not a bad idea, chapter 5 should have taken us to New Austin instead of that pile of crap that was Guarma. 

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8 minutes ago, Emmi said:

... New Austin played a role in the story! I feel like it's just there for fan service and RDO of course! I appreciate it :)

 

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I'd be happy if it were just free to explore with Arthur.

 

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33 minutes ago, O.Z said:

Not a bad idea, chapter 5 should have taken us to New Austin instead of that pile of crap that was Guarma. 

Yep, would have been nice to do stuff in new Austin with arthur. The player should have been allowed to free roam in Guarma too.

 

However having Guarma makes sense though considering it's a very beliavable way to speed up the Tuberculosis process. I does mind the neat pacing the game had but it doesn't go on for long and i dont think there is much wrong with it. It's nothing great but decent at best.

 

Also I dont see what's wrong with Arthur's death being predictable, i think the most interesting part is seeing how things come to be. Berserk for example laid out what is going to happen at the end in the first episode but its considered one of the greatest stories told because of the story that it is told to get there couple with having the best main trio out of any story.

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... Arthur Morgan beat Micah Bell to a bloody pulp and then went down to south New Austin or Mexico to escape both Dutch and the Pinkertons.

 

I like it that Morgan dies though, it gives a dark weight to the story. I like tragic dramas and dislike most happy endings, be it film, games or TV.

 

Addition: One thing I’m having trouble with on the topic of New Austin is that the towns are so much smaller and underdeveloped compared to RDR1. I mean, when we finish the story it’s supposed to be just moments before the Bureau finds John Marston and RDR1’s story starts.

 

It would’ve made sense if Thieves Landing was just a building and then 20 years later there’s a saloon etc, but now there’s just months between 2 and 1. Doesn’t really make sense.

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I liked the story more then the first game and GTA V. R* did good here.

 

Some people are just never satisfied...

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2 minutes ago, HockeyMike24 said:

I liked the story more then the first game and GTA V. R* did good here.

 

Some people are just never satisfied...

GTA IV’s story easily surpasses RDR2’s

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Just now, O.Z said:

GTA IV’s story easily surpasses RDR2’s

That's definitely debatable. Before RDR2 I would have agreed it's their best story

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Next RDR, IMO, next RDR.

 

This one was a great prequel which gave a lot of depth to the characters we meet in RDR1, but it's hard-pressed to think of how they'd attach another prequel RDR onto this storyline without treading the same tropes as before.

 

Jack's story offers lots of potential, but by then the Old West is over and buried, and it'll be stretching the definition of a Western.

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28 minutes ago, O.Z said:

GTA IV’s story easily surpasses RDR2’s

no, its easily the best GTA story but not the overall best Rockstar story

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44 minutes ago, Dr.Rosenthal said:

It would’ve made sense if Thieves Landing was just a building and then 20 years later there’s a saloon etc, but now there’s just months between 2 and 1. Doesn’t really make sense.

There is 4 year gap between RDR 1 and 2.

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24 minutes ago, feckyerlife said:

no, its easily the best GTA story but not the overall best Rockstar story

To me it’s the best Rockstar story, what’s your number 1 then?

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I was doubtful about the prospects of a prequel back when the game was announced in 2016, and I was advocating for a new universe, but Rockstar did deliver an engaging and emotional story. Arthur character is one of a kind in the entertainment industry. The Redemption universe is sealed by now and I personally cannot stand the wishful thinking of a prequel of a prequel for the next Red Dead game. It's actually a laughable idea when you realize that the elemental theme of this universe is the protagonist redeeming himself before dying. Rockstar will explore another theme next, but it'll be a very long time until then. 

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1 hour ago, GTAgamerCR7 said:

 

There is 4 year gap between RDR 1 and 2.

 

Ok, yeah I just realized Jack is still too small even during the cutscenes during the end credits for it to just be a few months. Based it mostly on the Bureau finding Beecher’s Hope.

 

But still - even if it’s 4 years - Thieves Landing went from being just a boatyard (or whatever it is, I haven’t been in there because of all the aggro while riding past) to becoming a full blown town in 4 years?

 

McFarlane Ranch also?

 

Addition: When you see the Downes ”kid” and Edith Downes in the port he looks like a grown man and his mother looks many many years older than she did during the story too.

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7 minutes ago, Dr.Rosenthal said:

 

Ok, yeah I just realized Jack is still too small even during the cutscenes during the end credits for it to just be a few months. Based it mostly on the Bureau finding Beecher’s Hope.

 

But still - even if it’s 4 years - Thieves Landing went from being just a boatyard (or whatever it is, I haven’t been in there because of all the aggro while riding past) to becoming a full blown town in 4 years?

 

McFarlane Ranch also?

New Austin's map is set to 1899, wasn't updated for 1907 like the rest of the map

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7 hours ago, O.Z said:

It was based on a completely new story about a famous outlaw Arthur Morgan and his struggles in the Wild West etc. 

 

I didn’t really like the Dutch’s gang nor most of its members, some of them were really useless and not to mention unused. Also the end was very predictable that Arthur would die in some form

 

IMO it would have been so much better. 

Easy to say that after you've gotten to experience a finished product.

I for one do not agree with you.

Though, you do speak the truth about the gang members being "disposable" for most of the game. Gotta give credit where credit is due.

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Wtf no..RDR2's story has much more impact because it's about Dutch's gang and Arthur dying is also the perfect ending for his character arc. RDR1 really only gave us hints to what happened with the gang but actually seeing their fall was well done and Dutch turned out to be one of the best Rockstar games characters. I liked most members, they felt more real than the side characters in RDR1 (who were too cartoony and quirky apart from exceptions like Bonnie).

 

 

1 hour ago, O.Z said:

To me it’s the best Rockstar story, what’s your number 1 then?

I still prefer GTA IV because of nostalgia + modern crime is more appealing but RDR2's story was overall better executed. You can see that Rockstar really learned from GTA IV and RDR on how to do a more serious story

6 hours ago, O.Z said:

Not a bad idea, chapter 5 should have taken us to New Austin instead of that pile of crap that was Guarma. 

On that I agree but Chapter 5 is the exception (and the guarma crap isn't even the full chapter), rest of the story is consistently great. Chapter 6 is one of the best parts of any Rockstar game

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2 hours ago, O.Z said:

To me it’s the best Rockstar story, what’s your number 1 then?

Its my number 1 Rockstar story as well.

3 hours ago, Dr.Rosenthal said:

 

It would’ve made sense if Thieves Landing was just a building and then 20 years later there’s a saloon etc, but now there’s just months between 2 and 1. Doesn’t really make sense.

It was the wild west, towns sprung up in a matter of weeks. People need to stop looking through modern eyes, they were not pouring concrete, putting up steal beams, putting in plumbing, wiring electricity all through out the building. etc etc

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Any changes I would suggest are only small details. I am very happy with the game as it is. That said there are a few minor details that annoy me.

 

1. There should be iron sights when mounted. You should also be able to select iron sights as the standard method in options.

 

2. The law should have a slightly shorter recognition range.

 

3. Take your gang members with you in free roam.

 

4. More options to improve your home after the epilogue and hire people to get the same gang camp feel.

 

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13 minutes ago, Coranub said:

If Dutch had a plan.

 

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lol, so very true. Dutch goes down in history as a wannabe/dreamer/underachiever aka tosser

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5 hours ago, O.Z said:

GTA IV’s story easily surpasses RDR2’s

IV can't even surpass SA if you ask me. RDR2 is pretty much the best R* have written. It ain't perfect. But it's their best story yet. 

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Everyone likes tragic story because it captures audience attention better and make them like the game/movie/book better. But if we scratch below that, story was nothing to brag about. We all love the game obviously,  otherwise we wouldn't be on this forum, but I saw many compare this story to those of many famous movies and books and I really can't agree with that. Story might be best one yet for Rockstar but it is not best in video game world and definitely shouldn'tbe compared to different novels or best of the western movies out there.

 

Personally,  I am probably in minority,  but story would be better if Arthur did survive, change his identity and move somewhere in New Austin to help him with his sickness.  He is still dying but better climate and Rain Falls mixture plus regular doctor help him prolong his life little bit more. He lives on a small cottage near that lake by Rio Lobo , enjoys fishing and raising goats. Last month of his life he also use to help others less fortunate in a world full of injustice and brutal gangs. We don't see him die although he will die.

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33 minutes ago, SAS_Intruder said:

Personally,  I am probably in minority,  but story would be better if Arthur did survive, change his identity and move somewhere in New Austin to help him with his sickness.  He is still dying but better climate and Rain Falls mixture plus regular doctor help him prolong his life little bit more. He lives on a small cottage near that lake by Rio Lobo , enjoys fishing and raising goats. Last month of his life he also use to help others less fortunate in a world full of injustice and brutal gangs. We don't see him die although he will die.

So basically he becomes Landon Ricketts.

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I really like the story, but I still would've preferred a completely new one with Arthur or someone else. For me the idea of exploring the Van Der Linde gang would've made more sense in 2010 as DLC for Red Dead Redemption.

 

Still it's a really great story on par with GTA IV IMO. However I would really like a Red Dead game set in the old west when it was just starting or at its peak. 

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3 hours ago, SAS_Intruder said:

Everyone likes tragic story because it captures audience attention better and make them like the game/movie/book better. But if we scratch below that, story was nothing to brag about. We all love the game obviously,  otherwise we wouldn't be on this forum, but I saw many compare this story to those of many famous movies and books and I really can't agree with that. Story might be best one yet for Rockstar but it is not best in video game world and definitely shouldn'tbe compared to different novels or best of the western movies out there.

 

Personally,  I am probably in minority,  but story would be better if Arthur did survive, change his identity and move somewhere in New Austin to help him with his sickness.  He is still dying but better climate and Rain Falls mixture plus regular doctor help him prolong his life little bit more. He lives on a small cottage near that lake by Rio Lobo , enjoys fishing and raising goats. Last month of his life he also use to help others less fortunate in a world full of injustice and brutal gangs. We don't see him die although he will die.

I agree, I hate this redemption sh*t, I had enough of that in RDR1.

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Karen and Trelawney actually got closure. Unlike the other survivors they just go away and you never hear about them or see them again. I found it a nice touch that Swanson was mentioned in a newspaper, having become a pastor in New York.... but these two are completely absent.

 

Trelawney you can presume is with his family still but Karen just disappeared and no mention..... I really liked Karen. Hopefully we see her and Trelawney in Online and get a hint what's up with those two in the epilogue 

 

And aside from New Austin lacking in content I wouldn't change a thing. I'd have not even bothered including it if I had a choice

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