[Spoilers] This game makes RDR1's story even more depressing

[Journey_95]

RDR1's story was already sad, you spend the whole game hunting your former friends and then at the end it doesn't matter anyway and you get killed & your son repeats the cycle.

 

Now with RDR2 when you consider how Arthur sacrificed himself to give John the chance at a better life, getting to know the latter and Dutch more and see how the gang fell apart it gets more depressing

[RayD70]

In a way, Arthur won.

 

True, John couldn't resist going after revenge which ultimately set up his own demise. But Jack didn't exactly repeat the cycle IMO.

 

Yes, he went after and killed Edgar Ross. But that's as far as it went, at least according to canon. We know of no other crimes. In GTAV, there's a book written by "J. Marston." So I'm choosing to believe that once Jack had his vengeance, he put down his arms and became what he always wanted to be: an author, and a successful one at that if his books are still being read almost 100 years later.

 

Now if you REALLY want to be depressed...

 

Abigaile died only a couple years after John at a young age (37). John died forcing Abigaile to flee with Jack and they probably couldn't return to Beecher's Hope for long, nor stay there. And selling it isn't an option for fear of the BOI coming after them too. So they fled with nothing. Had nothing. And Abigaile has to find a way to feed her young son. So she returns to the only profession she knows. Prostitution.Her story echoes that of Edith Downes, who herself was getting very sick by the life she was forced to take. Only this time, there's no Arthur to free her from that life. Abigaile either gets sick from her job, or is killed by a customer. Either way, John's death seals her fate as well.

Edited November 23, 2018 by RayD70

[Journey_95]

28 minutes ago, RayD70 said:

In a way, Arthur won.

 

True, John couldn't resist going after revenge which ultimately set up his own demise. But Jack didn't exactly repeat the cycle IMO.

 

Yes, he went after and killed Edgar Ross. But that's as far as it went, at least according to canon. We know of no other crimes. In GTAV, there's a book written by "J. Marston." So I'm choosing to believe that once Jack had his vengeance, he put down his arms and became what he always wanted to be: an author, and a successful one at that if his books are still being read almost 100 years later.

 

Now if you REALLY want to be depressed...

 

Abigaile died only a couple years after John at a young age (37). John died forcing Abigaile to flee with Jack and they probably couldn't return to Beecher's Hope for long, nor stay there. And selling it isn't an option for fear of the BOI coming after them too. So they fled with nothing. Had nothing. And Abigaile has to find a way to feed her young son. So she returns to the only profession she knows. Prostitution.Her story echoes that of Edith Downes, who herself was getting very sick by the life she was forced to take. Only this time, there's no Arthur to free her from that life. Abigaile either gets sick from her job, or is killed by a customer. Either way, John's death seals her fate as well.

Yeah but I don't think RDR and GTA take place in the same universe..also Jack seemed to have changed so much and just killed a dude so he will be likely hunted by the law. I would prefer a more hopeful ending but I think the epilogue of RDR1 shows the opposite, especially with Abigail dead and Jack being revenge obsessed.

[Edward Nashton]

@RayD70

 

That's an interesting take on what might have happened to Abigail and Jack after John's death, but John left them a sizable amount of money, and they obviously had enough time to come back and bury him and Uncle. There's no reason to think they didn't have time to go to the bank or a secret stash and take the money and flee, but I doubt they even did that, since the Feds never seemed terribly interested in going after them, they could have easily waited for them to come back for John's body and captured them right then and there.

 

There's also no indication that Jack lead a rough life during the two or three years that passed, his clothes are clean and look new, he still lives at the ranch, Abigail's grave looks pretty new, implying that she died recently and was probably living at the ranch with Jack. John Marston was the final trophy kill the Feds were after, they immediately stopped caring once he was dead, which was a mistake on their part, Ross especially.

 

 

Edited November 23, 2018 by Edward Nashton

[LeonVegaSuarez]

Yeah when Ross showed up near Beecher's Hope during the credits I was like "oh goddamn it" and had RDR1 flashbacks.

[DirtCheap]

I honestly think Bill's character becomes more sad if you play both RDR and RDR2.

 

In RDR2, he's constantly ridiculed by everyone and made fun of due to his lack of a proper education. He's really considered the "dumb muscle" of the gang 

 

Then in RDR, when we first see him, we can see how mad he is at John and angrily tells him that he's on top of the world and there's no John or Dutch to stop him. This shows us that he's had enough of the gang's bullsh*t and can do what he wants now, with no one to piss him off about his education.

[TheSantader25]

5 minutes ago, DirtCheap said:

I honestly think Bill's character becomes more sad if you play both RDR and RDR2.

 

In RDR2, he's constantly ridiculed by everyone and made fun of due to his lack of a proper education. He's really considered the "dumb muscle" of the gang 

 

Then in RDR, when we first see him, we can see how mad he is at John and angrily tells him that he's on top of the world and there's no John or Dutch to stop him. This shows us that he's had enough of the gang's bullsh*t and can do what he wants now, with no one to piss him off about his education.

He is dumb. But I feel sorry for him cause he is loyal.He has a weird charm to him which I like. 

[RayD70]

2 hours ago, Journey_95 said:

Yeah but I don't think RDR and GTA take place in the same universe..also Jack seemed to have changed so much and just killed a dude so he will be likely hunted by the law. I would prefer a more hopeful ending but I think the epilogue of RDR1 shows the opposite, especially with Abigail dead and Jack being revenge obsessed.

I may be off about Abigaile, but I really think Jack only had one man in mind for murder.

 

And what happens in Mexico, stays in Mexico.

[oCrapaCreeper]

2 hours ago, RayD70 said:

Abigaile died only a couple years after John at a young age (37)

37 is actually pretty good given the average life expectancy during that time. People lived longer of course but lack of modern medicine and disease eventually got the best of people.

Edited November 23, 2018 by oCrapaCreeper

[saintsrow]

2 hours ago, RayD70 said:

In a way, Arthur won.

 

True, John couldn't resist going after revenge which ultimately set up his own demise. But Jack didn't exactly repeat the cycle IMO.

 

Yes, he went after and killed Edgar Ross. But that's as far as it went, at least according to canon. We know of no other crimes. In GTAV, there's a book written by "J. Marston." So I'm choosing to believe that once Jack had his vengeance, he put down his arms and became what he always wanted to be: an author, and a successful one at that if his books are still being read almost 100 years later.

 

Now if you REALLY want to be depressed...

 

Abigaile died only a couple years after John at a young age (37). John died forcing Abigaile to flee with Jack and they probably couldn't return to Beecher's Hope for long, nor stay there. And selling it isn't an option for fear of the BOI coming after them too. So they fled with nothing. Had nothing. And Abigaile has to find a way to feed her young son. So she returns to the only profession she knows. Prostitution.Her story echoes that of Edith Downes, who herself was getting very sick by the life she was forced to take. Only this time, there's no Arthur to free her from that life. Abigaile either gets sick from her job, or is killed by a customer. Either way, John's death seals her fate as well.

I like both the OP and this reply.  Great extrapolation and insight.  

 

I think this game should have been called "Red Dead Revenge: TB Outbreak Simulator 1.0"
 

 

 

 

[RayD70]

4 minutes ago, oCrapaCreeper said:

37 is actually pretty good given the average life expectancy during that time. 

Barring fatal disease, accident, or murder, average life expectancy even then was late 50s to late 60s.

[saintsrow]

4 minutes ago, oCrapaCreeper said:

37 is actually pretty good given the average life expectancy during that time. 

Especially if your life consists mainly of killin' people.  

 

[woggleman]

Maybe Jack managed to get out of the country like Charles and Sadie and live a good life.

[TableTennisChamp]

11 hours ago, Journey_95 said:

RDR1's story was already sad, you spend the whole game hunting your former friends and then at the end it doesn't matter anyway and you get killed & your son repeats the cycle.

 

Now with RDR2 when you consider how Arthur sacrificed himself to give John the chance at a better life, getting to know the latter and Dutch more and see how the gang fell apart it gets more depressing

I just really hope that Jack got away after killing Edgar Ross, wrote his book, and lived peacefully. Would be interesting though if he became a wanderer, adventurer, and part time bounty hunter for a little while just helping people in need but not an outlaw. I mean his story is similar to Red Harlow's where he avenged his father's death by killing a man who worked for the government. It's unknown what happened to Red as well.