Read Dead Redemption 1 as a DLC... anyone else heard about this rumour?

[ReadDeadStu]

Hey gang, I completed RDR2 a couple of weeks back and I'm already missing it. I seriously loved that game. I never played the first game (something I'm kicking myself for) but I did hear a rather tantalising rumour on a YouTube vid a couple of days back. 

 

Apparently the whole original game of RDR is to be remastered to RDR2's standards and will be made available as a DLC add on. So for those who never played it - it'll just feel like RDR2 is continuing (it's my understanding that RDR2 ends where RDR begins?).

 

This is an extremely exciting idea. Anyone else heard about this? 

 

 

[Gallows]

2 minutes ago, ReadDeadStu said:

Hey gang, I completed RDR2 a couple of weeks back and I'm already missing it. I seriously loved that game. I never played the first game (something I'm kicking myself for) but I did hear a rather tantalising rumour on a YouTube vid a couple of days back. 

 

Apparently the whole original game of RDR is to be remastered to RDR2's standards and will be made available as a DLC add on. So for those who never played it - it'll just feel like RDR2 is continuing (it's my understanding that RDR2 ends where RDR begins?).

 

This is an extremely exciting idea. Anyone else heard about this? 

 

 

There are no news on this as far as I know. Only speculation and fantasy.

[ReadDeadStu]

2 minutes ago, Gallows said:

There are no news on this as far as I know. Only speculation and fantasy.

Makes sense though doesn't it? From what I can gather, most of the people who played the new one didn't play the old one. So adding it on at the end would make it feel completely natural. 

 

It'll feel like RDR2 is continuing organically, and those who never played the original can familiarise themselves with. Kills quite a few birds with one stone. 

 

 

[HockeyMike24]

Rumor? It's more of a theory and or wish. Nobody on YT has any idea what they're talking about. They just want you to click on their videos. Lemme guess was "HUGE INFO!!" Or something along those lines in the title?

[Gallows]

1 minute ago, ReadDeadStu said:

Makes sense though doesn't it? From what I can gather, most of the people who played the new one didn't play the old one. So adding it on at the end would make it feel completely natural. 

 

It'll feel like RDR2 is continuing organically, and those who never played the original can familiarise themselves with. Kills quite a few birds with one stone. 

 

 

It’s a rather big project for a DLC, but of they are able to use some of the old stuff perhap. i just believe they’d have to pay all the actors again, depending on contract.

[ReadDeadStu]

1 minute ago, Gallows said:

It’s a rather big project for a DLC, but of they are able to use some of the old stuff perhap. i just believe they’d have to pay all the actors again, depending on contract.

 

Is it that big though really? Remember it's an 8 year old game so it probably isn't that big by today's standards. 

 

Also - I think the same actors voiced the same characters in both games - so I'm sure it'll just be a case of using those recordings again. Yeah, they'll probably still have to pay the actors for it - but I'm pretty sure Rockstar can afford it! 

3 minutes ago, HockeyMike24 said:

Rumor? It's more of a theory and or wish. Nobody on YT has any idea what they're talking about. They just want you to click on their videos. Lemme guess was "HUGE INFO!!" Or something along those lines in the title?

Um... yeah.... sh*t.  

[Gallows]

Would like to see such a DLC. Awesome to be able to play through the entire story. 

[Mach1bud]

39 minutes ago, ReadDeadStu said:

Also - I think the same actors voiced the same characters in both games - so I'm sure it'll just be a case of using those recordings again. Yeah, they'll probably still have to pay the actors for it - but I'm pretty sure Rockstar can afford it! 

Many of the main voice actors changed. Most noticably Bill Williamson and Javier Esculla. Hell, Javier is basically a completely different person entirely.

 

It would be a huge undertaking I assure you, it's not a matter of just porting things over. They would have to match it up quality wise with RDR2, as well as adapting the new gameplay features from RDR2 to fit the remaster.

 

That being said, I am sure the idea is on the table at Rockstar and has a decent chance of happening, but not until the game releases on PC.

[HoodedWatermelon]

2 minutes ago, Mach1bud said:

Many of the main voice actors changed. Most noticably Bill Williamson and Javier Esculla. Hell, Javier is basically a completely different person entirely.

 

It would be a huge undertaking I assure you, it's not a matter of just porting things over. They would have to match it up quality wise with RDR2, as well as adapting the new gameplay features from RDR2 to fit the remaster.

 

That being said, I am sure the idea is on the table at Rockstar and has a decent chance of happening, but not until the game releases on PC.

Bill's actor didn't change.

 

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2341550/?ref_=tt_cl_t5

[Nutduster]

This rumor (or theory, really) has been floating around for ages, as soon as it seemed like the old map was returning in some form. No one knows anything. I hope it happens, but who knows.

[Mach1bud]

13 minutes ago, HoodedWatermelon said:

Bill's actor didn't change.

 

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2341550/?ref_=tt_cl_t5

My bad idk why I said Bill. Abigail changed as well.

[Jabalous]

This rumor, which is actually just speculation, is the Red Dead version of Liberty City remastered in GTA V/Online. The common thing is wishful thinking. 

[GreatScott04]

Yeah, I don't see this happening. I think all DLC will be online, it makes them too much money to ever put on the back burner in place of SP DLC.

[Shadowfennekin]

I'd take it. It's better than getting nothing again.

 

But I do hope we get actual new content, like Undead Nightmare 2 with Vampires and Werewolves.

[Paro93]

I really don't believe in a remaster. Aside from the problems already mentioned,  they would have to build Mexico and rebuild some of NA (including a lot of missing interiors) to fit 1911. 

I think it's very unlikely. 

[Satanta]

Not gonna happen.

 

They released it as DLC updated for the Xbone and I believe PS4 a couple of years ago.  Free if you already owned it and cheap if not.

 

The codeing for the original was pretty messy as I understand it so I doubt they are going to spend the time and effort redoing it and updating it to match the new game.

 

As far as Actors?   If it is anything like the contracts I use they sign away their Rights to any claims on how the images [[or the voices, video, etc]] is used once the project is done and they are paid-except in rare circumstances where the project is ongoing and they are contracting long-term.  That is standard-it is like the Actors from The Walking Dead.  Once paid they cannot come back and claim money for their images also being used on T-shirts and Coffee Mugs unless it is in their contract.

 

IIRC the Actor who played Landon Ricketts passed away around 2012 and yes, some new voice actors and yes, all the characters are different but it would be a different time in their lives between te the two games.  Different situations and so forth-life changes you.

[RayD70]

Probably won't happen as much as I think all of us would love it.

 

OTOH, it is a way for R* to finally give the PC fans RDR...

[Miketv]

1 hour ago, Shadowfennekin said:

I'd take it. It's better than getting nothing again.

 

But I do hope we get actual new content, like Undead Nightmare 2 with Vampires and Werewolves.

A Cowboys vs Aliens i think it could be interesting in my opinion, seeing how cool and well done was Undead Nightmare.

[Nutduster]

2 hours ago, Jabalous said:

This rumor, which is actually just speculation, is the Red Dead version of Liberty City remastered in GTA V/Online. The common thing is wishful thinking. 

 

This has a lot more plausibility than the Liberty City wishing, for a number of reasons.  I do think "Guarma DLC" is the new "North Yankton DLC" though.

[Jabalous]

6 minutes ago, Nutduster said:

 

This has a lot more plausibility than the Liberty City wishing, for a number of reasons.  I do think "Guarma DLC" is the new "North Yankton DLC" though.

Please post these reasons. Let's discuss them. 

 

 

[Nutduster]

37 minutes ago, Jabalous said:

Please post these reasons. Let's discuss them. 

 

 

Sure. Here are the aspects that I think are most different between the two:

 

1. Liberty City would have needed to be updated in its entirety.  Red Dead's map is 2/3 done - or let's say half done, since they would still need to update it further (for the later time period and to include some details they didn't bother to put in the RDR2 version).  Updating the map is a lot of work; they are at least halfway there already.

 

2. A hypothetical RDR1 remake would command a good price.  It would be more than a typical $20 story DLC, for sure.  I can easily imagine them doing it in a typical "budget release" price bracket of about $40.  Comparatively, Liberty City for GTA Online only would have brought in no money except a nebulous amount of additional shark card sales to returning players (meaning people who weren't already playing and buying cards, but came back for LC).  In other words, the cost-profit radio for Liberty City always seemed really sketchy; for a RDR remake it's pretty clear where the money comes from.  (And I think it would sell enough to justify its existence, too.  RDR2 has been a massive success and there have been a good number of remakes of classic games in the past 5 years that apparently mostly did pretty well.)

 

3. A lot of the original assets could be reused, even if they rebuilt the missions and NPC interactions.  The vast majority of the voice work and maybe a portion of the animations would be brought over wholesale from the original.  That's some amount of effort saved.  Liberty City in Online, meanwhile, would have required them to fill it with playable content including probably at least a moderate amount of scripted missions with cut scenes to properly build up the hype - in all likelihood, more work than they put into any other DLC for Online by far.  Of course it probably still would have been less work than remaking RDR, but for a far less certain financial windfall, as well.  This is less of a "LC is more work" argument, more of a "apples and oranges" argument.

 

4. Finally, LC coming to Online was always speculative and based on little more than wishful thinking.  Players wanted a new place to play; it was easier to imagine them doing that than adding a whole new city.  (Plus there was some artist's screenshot of some update work he did to GTA IV's Central Park, some old and vague comments from Leslie Benzies, and a couple other odd tidbits floating around... but it never added up to much.)  Meanwhile, there's a certain easy logic to an RDR remake: a) the base game is already a prequel, and

 

Spoiler

you end it playing as Marston in a direct prologue to the story of the other game

 

; b) the map is already mostly there, for reasons that are a little perplexing if they're not planning an eventual remake of RDR (because it's not much used in RDR2's story mode - could be more for Online, but that would still have been a lot of work for not much return); c) the original game has not dated badly and could be updated for this gen with relative ease... and so on.  

 

I think it's wrong to conclude that it's definitely coming or even that it's very likely, but I always thought LC being added to Online made just about no sense unless they intended a story mode update as well and were going to charge us for access to both.  I think a remake of RDR is more probable than LC ever was, while still being probably less likely than a coin flip.

Edited November 23, 2018 by Nutduster

[IamCourtney]

I don't think GTA and RDR share the same universe, people refer to New York City instead of Liberty City, California instead of San Andreas, New Jersey instead of Alderney etc.

 

I won't hold my breath, but if RDR2 continues to sell well it's certainly plausible. No official word yet though, not even hints.

[Blasterman4EVER]

Well.

 

I think it is painfully obvious that the entire game was designed so that eventually you [should] be able to progress with your current character, post Arthur, directly into the story of Red Dead Redemption 1.

I don't think it's speculation.

It's inevitable. Why else would they hold back Mexico? They held Mexico back because we're going there once we continue as Maston into the rest of the story: Red Dead Redemption ["Remastered"].

The only big question I have is will they make the experience perfect by making it an update or DLC you can install and then BAM, it's available and you keep going right inside Red Redemption 2 proper.

 

If I am wrong, and If they don't do that and it's just a remasted that involves your character not keeping the progress from Red Dead 2, that will not be as impressive.

But Red Dead Redemption 1 on PS4 is inevitable. Anybody who has beat 2 can see it coming from a mile away. I bet it is already done. They're just waiting.

Edited November 23, 2018 by Blasterman4EVER

[MVP]

Now that would be good.

Edited November 24, 2018 by MostWantedMVP

[Sr.Viktor]

The only dlc for single player that I am hopping to get is a AlienNightmare type o sh*t.

[Ash_735]

The biggest issue with RDR1 was the engine work. The scripts, audio, etc, could still be used. Rockstar would have masters for things like audio recordings, musical recordings, textures, etc. The only real issue would be if character rigging and such would feel out of place (or "too old" looking) on the updated engine. Character models would be an easy thing for them to update, map work would just be the alterations (or maybe fitting 1911 to match the retcons made in RDR2) with the main bulk being redoing most of mexico (the LOD for that is there as well as a bare outline).

 

So in terms of making RDR1 a DLC, it'd be...

- Updating Character Models
- Altering parts of the map to match up to 1911
- Completely doing Mexico
- Adapting script and seeing what still works/can be used from RDR2

- Possibly recording new motion capture for rigging

 

It's doable for Rockstar, sh*t, they could even make changes and release the DLC as a standalone too and call it somethings like "Red Dead Redemption: Director's Cut". Seeing as we know a PC version is coming this would also be an extremely smart way for the game to be released there too seeing as the hardest part (engine) is already done. Realistically if they were to do this, and assuming they'd be starting NOW (or shortly after RDR2 was released) it'd be an easy "crunch" of 8 to 9 months if they don't need to alter motion capture.

[MVP]

1 hour ago, Ash_735 said:

Seeing as we know a PC version is coming

You have put words in Rockstars mouth lol. Like the first game, I doubt it.

[Ash_735]

6 minutes ago, MostWantedMVP said:

You have put words in Rockstars mouth lol. Like the first game, I doubt it.

Rockstar have put words in their mouth, just the wrong mouth  

Edited November 24, 2018 by Ash_735

[LittleJesus]

"Red Dead Remake"

[Satanta]

Everyone wants Undead Nightmare II but I doubt it's going like that with another Undead.  Be funny if the unfinished Mexico maps is used to do a Tremors Nightmare...GRABBOID Redemption!