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Mr_Long

Michael De Santa vs John Marston

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Mr_Long

It's kind of interesting to compare them to be honest. Michael seems sort of like John Marston except it's a century later. They also are pretty dangerous criminals and want to try and get out of the crime life to try and help their families out. But overall I kind of like John Marston a bit better because he seems a bit more developed than Michael. Also John's wife Abigail isn't just a total stereotype like Michael's wife Amanda. In fact most of GTA 5's characters seem to much like american stereotypes to be honest.

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  Which protagonist do you think is better ? I think Michael could of been a lot better if Rockstar hadn't of put the 3 protagonist system in the game to be honest.

 

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TheSantader25

Abigail is pretty f*cking annoying though and Jack seems to lack a soul. It's kinda weird. But I like both protagonists despite hating the families. However John is a bit naive and "simple" IMO. Michael hands down is one of the most relatable protagonists R* have ever written. 

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SonOfLiberty

John. Abigail and Jack don't piss me off anywhere near as much as Michael's family does. Michael himself is pretty good considering he has two mediocre protagonists tethered to him, but I felt more for John's struggles and could relate to him more.

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Cheatz/Trickz

If Rockstar had spent more time developing Michael who is clearly the main protagonist of V instead of glorifying two supporting characters, he may have been able to stand toe to toe with John. Even as it is, Michael still fascinates me at times but his journey in the game flies by too quickly and with the other two it’s hard to form attachment. I still like Michael but he is the definition of wasted potential, probably could’ve been one of the best protagonists ever created.

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Grotti Vigilante

John Marston easily. He's more likeable to me, especially with regards to his family. Believe it or not, I liked Abigail and Jack, especially in the second game. Michael is the better protagonist of GTA V, but his family life is miserable. Amanda literally backs her pelvis into a Yogi right in front of him and then thinks he's the bad guy for getting mad. Jimmy is just an annoying entitled whiner, who at least becomes better at the end of the game, and Tracey is... largely underdeveloped actually. She's fame-hungry, that's all I can remember. Now I don't hate them, but John and his family are just much better people. John and Abigail are one of my favourite video game couples ever just because of the chemistry between them. 

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Lock n' Stock

Michael was kind of a mixed bag to me. He had a certain class and style to him that I liked, he was like someone ripped straight out of a Michael Mann film (like Thief or Heat). On the other hand, his whiny and self-absorbed attitude often became unbearable for me. He has his moments, but he's nothing on John. It's not hard to notice the similarities however.

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DirtCheap

John easily.

 

Why?

 

Here's why:

  • isn't a c*ck
  • actually cares about his family
  • wants the best for his son (unlike Michael who has a son that is basically a leech, and a daughter that is a (possible) porno-star)
  • isn't a hypocrite
  • shows sorrow at times*
  • made his wife someone respectable
  • cares about his friends**
  • lives in a shack yet is more than happy with life (unlike Mikey who bitches about living in a mansion)
  • fantastic hunter (he doesn't let mt. lions attack him so easily, unlike Mike who lets the felines dine on his neck)
  • can use Dead-Eye far better (Michael can't tag enemies lol)
  • redeems himself TWICE
  • great at ranching
  • doesn't spend the game complaining (despite his face nearly being torn apart)
  • can clear out entire forts by himself
  • people actually care about him...***
  • can speak Spanish
  • actually stands up to his bosses
  • has a dog
  • uses a far better alias (Jim Milton > Michael de Santa)

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Gets upset about Javier's death. 

 

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Respects Arthur by always wearing his hat and visiting his grave, unlike Michael who happily sizzles Trevor

 

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...even after he dies

 

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Cheatz/Trickz
11 hours ago, Lock n' Stock said:

Michael was kind of a mixed bag to me. He had a certain class and style to him that I liked, he was like someone ripped straight out of a Michael Mann film (like Thief or Heat). On the other hand, his whiny and self-absorbed attitude often became unbearable for me. He has his moments, but he's nothing on John. It's not hard to notice the similarities however.

He is ripped straight out of a Michael Mann film, visually at least. His default appearance is the spit of De Niro’s character in Heat and the ‘De’ in each of their names can’t be just be a coincidence. Tom Cruise wears the same suit in Collateral. 

 

Sadly the tone of the game was decidedly un-Michael Mann, but more Michael Bay. 

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Mr_Long
7 hours ago, DirtCheap said:

John easily.

 

Why?

 

Here's why:

  • isn't a c*ck
  • actually cares about his family
  • wants the best for his son (unlike Michael who has a son that is basically a leech, and a daughter that is a (possible) porno-star)
  • isn't a hypocrite
  • shows sorrow at times*
  • made his wife someone respectable
  • cares about his friends**
  • lives in a shack yet is more than happy with life (unlike Mikey who bitches about living in a mansion)
  • fantastic hunter (he doesn't let mt. lions attack him so easily, unlike Mike who lets the felines dine on his neck)
  • can use Dead-Eye far better (Michael can't tag enemies lol)
  • redeems himself TWICE
  • great at ranching
  • doesn't spend the game complaining (despite his face nearly being torn apart)
  • can clear out entire forts by himself
  • people actually care about him...***
  • can speak Spanish
  • actually stands up to his bosses
  • has a dog
  • uses a far better alias (Jim Milton > Michael de Santa)

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Gets upset about Javier's death. 

 

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Respects Arthur by always wearing his hat and visiting his grave, unlike Michael who happily sizzles Trevor

 

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...even after he dies

 

Yep have to agree with you. 

 

Abigail, a caring wife who wants John to forget his outlaw life and wants the best for her son. Sure she gets mad at John, but at least she stays loyal to him

 

picture of Abigail

 

Amanda, the American wife stereotype who cheats on her husband. She just yells at Michael, and plain out leaves him with Jimmy and Tracey, even though Michael bought them a mansion in Vinewood hills. Yet Michael’s family are complete douchebags especially Jimmy.

 

Amanda’s photo on a dating website

Even then Michael is still complaining when he lives in a mansion in Beverly Hills, and her John can live with a house at Beecher’s Hope and be more than happy. Then Michael somehow fixes all of his concerns by the end of the story while John Marston actually has to hunt down his targets.

 

Then John’s son Jack is actually pretty like able. 

 

But then for Michael you have Jimmy who is a complete a-hole, and Tracey who’ll probably be a hooker by the time GTA 6 comes out.

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TheSantader25
51 minutes ago, Cheatz/Trickz said:

He is ripped straight out of a Michael Mann film, visually at least. His default appearance is the spit of De Niro’s character in Heat and the ‘De’ in each of their names can’t be just be a coincidence. Tom Cruise wears the same suit in Collateral. 

 

Sadly the tone of the game was decidedly un-Michael Mann, but more Michael Bay. 

Actually the game seems A LOT like a Michael Mann movie IMO. especially when you take the 2 first endings and the whole relationship between the 3 protagonists into consideration. Unfortunately the game lacks good antagonists to make it even better. 

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Mr_Long

@Grotti Vigilante

 

I know right, like even their spouses show different development.

 

Abigail Marston actually cares about John. All she wants is for John to leave his outlaw life and help her raise their son Jack. She’s also pretty loyal to John.

 

But Amanda on the other hand is just a stereotype of an American wife. She just cheats on Michael, and is just kind of an a hole. She even made her own dating profile and put status as “unsatisfied” 

 

Then Michael’s kids aren’t any better. Jimmy blames everything on his dad and calls him useless, then Tracey is probably going to be a pornstar in Gta 6. 

 

John’s son on the other hand, is actually a decent character. 

 

 

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Ondr4H

Michael Townley seems to be guy that only care for first world problems.He is as*hole to his friends, he has annoying family with moral low values.

Truly 21. century dege*erate...


John Marston, is men of honour.You actually care about him and his family.John and Abigail were outlaws, but they made it to be respectable somewhat better persons, that Townley never will be.

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CharlieSN95

@Ondr4H Agreed

 

John is the poster child of honorable men. Coincidentally he reminds me a lot of John Wick, a total badass, but very classy. Michael on the other hand is a selfish "woe is me" tool that doesn't care to f*ck anyone over as long as he gets his way. From the beginning he betrayed his best friend and left him to mourn alone so he would enjoy the lavish life of living in a Vinewood mansion. 

 

To me, there is no comparision, John all the way.

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Journey_95
On 11/22/2018 at 12:32 PM, Cheatz/Trickz said:

If Rockstar had spent more time developing Michael who is clearly the main protagonist of V instead of glorifying two supporting characters, he may have been able to stand toe to toe with John. Even as it is, Michael still fascinates me at times but his journey in the game flies by too quickly and with the other two it’s hard to form attachment. I still like Michael but he is the definition of wasted potential, probably could’ve been one of the best protagonists ever created.

Agreed, he is still the best GTA V protagonist by far but definitely doesn't compare with John Marston overall. The potential was there but they wasted it because they focused too much on the other two who would have been better as side characters, made his family garbage and the overall story too goofy to really care for. 

 

John's struggles were more interesting and he was far more likable (like him even way more after RDR2), his ending is one of the saddest in gaming. I wouldn't care nearly as much if the same thing happened with Michael..in fact I think while he is still a good character he deserved a bad ending imho.   

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GTAgamerWyald

I wansn't much of fan of Marston, that being said I did think he was a good character and was very memorable. If red dead 2 hadn't been released I would have said Michael, but due the context we were given of his character in the game. I am able to appreciate his character more now to the point I consider him great, though I still have problems with his characterization in a few spots, things that could have been executed better. Same can be said about Michael, but yeah definitely John. Also Marston family over Townley family anyday.

 

 

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