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It annoys the hell out of me that John can't...

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Lonely-Martin
1 minute ago, Darealbandicoot said:

I don't have a problem with it either but funnily enough, every NPC you bump into the water CAN swim in RDR2 making John the only one. 

Yeah, that does look a bit odd. Dang.

 

Seeing how horses changed and all NPC's can too. Does stand out a bit, lol.

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Guest Guest176525326
6 minutes ago, Darealbandicoot said:

I don't have a problem with it either but funnily enough, every NPC you bump into the water CAN swim in RDR2 making John the only one. 

Indeed making John look like a right tosser

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K0ol-G-R4P

It is annoying John can't swim but its obvious why they did it and made the correct decision IMO...

 

He couldn't swim in RDR thus it make no sense whatsoever giving him the ability to swim in the prequel...

 

Plus I enjoyed Arthur's jokes about John not being able to swim....

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SonOfLiberty
6 minutes ago, K0ol-G-R4P said:

It is annoying John can't swim but its obvious why they did it and made the correct decision IMO...

 

He couldn't swim in RDR thus it make no sense whatsoever giving him the ability to swim in the prequel...

 

Plus I enjoyed Arthur's jokes about John not being able to swim....

In a way you could probably say R* shot themselves in the foot for not letting him swim in Red Dead Redemption. Arthur's jokes felt like R* were taking the piss out of themselves as much as John.😛

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Arthur Bell

Pretty sure John learned how to swim based on that TMNT game

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Bakkerbaard

Out of over a hundred hours of play there's been one occasion where I had to cross water.

To get a hat.

 

So, that. And I remember all the occasions in GTAO where I sank my chopper trying to pick up a package out on sea. Swimming is overrated, believe me.

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Nutduster
6 hours ago, Darealbandicoot said:

I don't have a problem with it either but funnily enough, every NPC you bump into the water CAN swim in RDR2 making John the only one. 

 

Not the ones I pull off my horse hogtied.  😈

 

This has such a non-effect on gameplay.  Not concerned about it.  Yes they could have just changed it, like they did with the horses, but then I wouldn't get a bunch of wisecracks at John's expense.

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Hondaslayer
6 hours ago, Darealbandicoot said:

I don't have a problem with it either but funnily enough, every NPC you bump into the water CAN swim in RDR2 making John the only one. 

But have you bumped every single NPC in the game into the water?

 

 

I bet if you grabbed 100 people today and tossed them in the water at random, you would only get 1 or 2 (if that) that can't swim. So I guess we need to throw more people in the water to test this ;) (I'm sure they will all swim)

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phipfwe76

It's not a huge deal, but it has effected me a few times. 

 

I killed the legendary bison up near Lake Isabella, and was standing on a rock. When I went to go collect it, i slipped and fell in the lake. I died instantly and "abandoned my pelt" thus not getting the money for it. I'm also now doing the stuff for Mr Wasp, which involves a lot of killing birds in the swamp.... birds that are on tiny islands in the swamp. It's a struggle to get my horse in there due to all the gators, and finding boats can be difficult at times. The bait shop usually has one, but I've been hit with a bounty for vehicle theft a few times using it.

 

Like i said, not a major gameplay concern, but it is a small nuisance. 

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16 hours ago, O.Z said:

Exactly, talking about immersion, there’s not a single word of Arthur in RDR so that kills it pretty much anyways... 

When you meet Mary Beth as John, they talk about Arthur and John says he thinks about Arthur a lot, but doesn't talk about him too much.

 

Even then, Arthur probably wasn't even an idea when RDR1 was being made. *shrugs*

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mehoe123

It annoys me that alot of John's speaking lines with Stranger missions and stuff seem kind of jus thrown in or I find non existent trying to interact with some NPCs. 

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IamCourtney

Which Rule of the Internet is it that states no nitpick is too small for someone to bitch about it?

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Bakkerbaard
8 hours ago, phipfwe76 said:

I'm also now doing the stuff for Mr Wasp, which involves a lot of killing birds in the swamp.... birds that are on tiny islands in the swamp. It's a struggle to get my horse in there due to all the gators, and finding boats can be difficult at times.

I always kinda assimed the swamp there was completely walkable. Up to the chin sometimes, judging by that one Arthur-story-mission, but still.

 

Never went to try it, because gators. 

When you step into the water you see all those cute handbags go under. I can take a hint.

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specterkev

what you want a story where he hit his head and forgot how to swim for the first RDR?

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TheLordMarvel

I do wish John could swim. Took ages to find a canoe to get a new blade from a shipwreck. :(

 

 

How I would have played it out: John couldn't swim through the story, which is why most teased him about it; but somewhere between 1899-1907, he ended up having swimming lessons. But! Being shot outside Fort Mercer could have some internal damage that makes it painful to swim; thus he doesn't do it. 😛

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jje1000

I think for gameplay conceits he should be able to swim around for nearly long as Arthur can, but he should swim much slower and do that pathetic flailing around that he does right now.

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Edward Nashton

I swam like once during the 100+ hours I put into this game and it was to get away from the police in Saint Denis right after a side quest where I helped a guy flee the city (you guys know the one). Swimming is nice and all but I don't mind that John can't swim. Not something I'm really interested in doing in this game.

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Somegras

Poor John, is that treasure hunt on that island somewhere North still achievable if you can’t swim? 

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Journey_95

Never cared to be honest, never really swam much with Arthur either. I would say that with the RDR series, the story is at least as important as the gameplay.

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Guest

to complete the topic title my way:

 

It annoys the hell out of me that John can't...., be Arthur instead.

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oCrapaCreeper
22 hours ago, mehoe123 said:

It annoys me that alot of John's speaking lines with Stranger missions and stuff seem kind of jus thrown in or I find non existent trying to interact with some NPCs. 

They're definitely not thrown in, it's just John's actor just isn't as good as people remembered, especially the times where he just yells for seemingly no reason which happens in both games.

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Cutter De Blanc

While exploring New Austin as Arthur today, I fell off a pier in the San Luis River. I thought to myself, "Well John would have died in this situation," as I swam back to shore.

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Mach1bud

It would annoy me more if John could swim tbh.

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TheTechPoTaToCHIP

Funny thing, when I was doing the mission for Bronte in Saint Denis where you had to fight some grave robbers, I got caught be the police while escaping which resulted in a huge shoot out. Since I wanted to do things cleanly, I decided to kill Arthur and restart from the checkpoint. Since my health was freakishly large, it took too long to die so I just decided to drown him so I jumped into the water and Marston followed me. I fully expected him to drown but I guess Marston can swim as an NPC.

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Guest Guest176525326
10 minutes ago, TheTechPoTaToCHIP said:

Funny thing, when I was doing the mission for Bronte in Saint Denis where you had to fight some grave robbers, I got caught be the police while escaping which resulted in a huge shoot out. Since I wanted to do things cleanly, I decided to kill Arthur and restart from the checkpoint. Since my health was freakishly large, it took too long to die so I just decided to drown him so I jumped into the water and Marston followed me. I fully expected him to drown but I guess Marston can swim as an NPC.

Really? Wow. This is inexcusable... epic fail!!! 

 

Thank you for pointing it out

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TheSantader25
11 hours ago, Cutter De Blanc said:

While exploring New Austin as Arthur today, I fell off a pier in the San Luis River. I thought to myself, "Well John would have died in this situation," as I swam back to shore.

I love exploring the place as Arthur. Feels so good. Sneaked into tumbleweed saloon and played poker as well. 😂

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Gallows

... be Arthur.

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Horseteste

I just had a massive killing spree end cause John fell in the f*cking water. I got backed into a corner of the pier in saint Denis and a cop f*cking charged at me as if he knew water was my one weakness. There should have been a system where you could learn to swim and rockstar just didn't care about why you couldn't swim in the first game. It already doesn't line up as John can technically swim for a few seconds very slowly.

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Mysterious hero

I think everyone is making a mountain out of a molehill with the whole "John can't swim but Arthur can" thing. I can count on one hand how many times I swam as Arthur. Usually, I make my horse swim or find a boat. Plus, you can only swim for a minute before drowning, so swimming is just as useless as the stealth crouch from GTA 5

 

In Red Dead Redemption 1, John told Irish on his way to Mexico that he can't swim. I'm glad they kept that detail in the prequel, it makes John even more distinct from Arthur.

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SonOfLiberty
On ‎7‎/‎13‎/‎2019 at 11:23 AM, Mysterious hero said:

I think everyone is making a mountain out of a molehill with the whole "John can't swim but Arthur can" thing. I can count on one hand how many times I swam as Arthur. Usually, I make my horse swim or find a boat. Plus, you can only swim for a minute before drowning, so swimming is just as useless as the stealth crouch from GTA 5

 

In Red Dead Redemption 1, John told Irish on his way to Mexico that he can't swim. I'm glad they kept that detail in the prequel, it makes John even more distinct from Arthur.

The ironic thing is if John could actually swim in RDR2 people would be complaining about how it completely screws up his backstory so it's a no win situation, but even in RDR it never bothered me he couldn't swim either. 

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