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O.Z

It annoys the hell out of me that John can't...

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O.Z

Swim. 

 

Yeah, I know why Rockstar has done this as it makes sense, cos he couldn't swim in RDR either, but come on it is just silly, especially after the story you are forced to free roam as John. It takes away of that immense sandbox freedom feeling... disappointed :(

 

Arthur > John

 

 

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Cutter De Blanc

Swam out in Lake Don Julio last night as Arthur, because f*ck you John Marston, that's why

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The FoolYT

It annoys me too but at least we can use horses for swimming i guess. They are faster as well.

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Paro93

I see this as a Rockstar's bad call, not a problem with the character. 
They screwed up in this regard.

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Cutter De Blanc

On the one hand it's cool that they make you feel as though you're playing as another character, not just a reskin

 

That's about the only thing I find cool about the endgame though

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O.Z
4 minutes ago, Cutter De Blanc said:

On the one hand it's cool that they make you feel as though you're playing as another character, not just a reskin

 

That's about the only thing I find cool about the endgame though

 

It’s bollocks... to me all Rockstar games have always been about free roaming, the story is secondary for me, the real fun has always come after you finish the story as by then you have unlocked all the gameplay elements etc. 

 

But now what? 

 

You have to free roam around as a guy who can’t even swim! What a joke!!!

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Psyperactive81

this is more of a "It annoys me that John CAN..."

John can Play Liar's Dice....... and Arthur can't

(or, "could" is more appropiate I guess?)

 

Edited by Psyperactive81

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Meekail

I bet if they did make him swim, there would be people saying "WHY CAN HE SWIM IN THIS GAME BUT NOT IN THE FIRST GAME?? MAKES NO SENSE"

 

I do agree it's annoying though. At least we can swim with horses now.

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HockeyMike24

Arthur makes fun of John throughout the story that he can't swim. Would be kinda weird if suddenly he can swim.

 

Out of the things I would change about this game, this wouldn't be one of them. Who really wants to swim around anyways? I dread swimming in all R* titles

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Hatin Since 87

Swimming doesn’t really have much purpose in this game. It’s not like you can dive underwater and explore, and we have boats and horses that can take us across bodies of water. Doesn’t seem like much of an issue to me personally, but I see your point, it does almost feel like we regress some after beating the story. Any time you take away something available during the story after you complete it, it’s frustrating... so in that aspect I agree. 

 

But, still not really an issue to me. 

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Furi0sa

I hate playing as john in this game so much. He's too thin and looks like some nerd playing dress up in all the outfits. I'm never going to freeroam as him long.

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imburgundy

Arthur or John it doesn't really matter because your horse swims quicker and longer anyway. I get your point OP because I would like for him to swim too but there really are people out there that would complain that he shouldn't be able to swim in this game because he couldn't in the first.

 

16 minutes ago, scotthedge12 said:

I hate playing as john in this game so much. He's too thin and looks like some nerd playing dress up in all the outfits. I'm never going to freeroam as him long.

I was thinking along these lines yesterday while I was switching up my outfit. Arthur had that grizzled veteran cowboy look even with no facial hair. John is definitely on the skinnier side and and younger and I just feel like nothing really suits him well. Maybe because they oddly allowed us to keep Arthur's clothes?

Even though I feel like there was a decent amount of clothing options for Arthur, I thought the reason they didn't have more was because it wouldn't be something Arthur would wear since it's his story, but now that we have John and there is not more options, now I hope they are saving them for online.....hope. I want my damn poncho like Charles and maybe a sombrero

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chronic lumbago

It's a terrible choice. They should've favored gameplay over immersion in this case.

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SonOfLiberty

I don't have a problem with it. Atleast this time he tries to swim, but struggles to do so running out of stamina gradually instead of reacting like he's stepped into acid like Red Dead Redemption.

 

From a gameplay perspective since we have boats, canoes and even the horses can swim I don't see what the problem is. Not being to swim was one of John's staples from the first game so I'm happy R* respected that rather than making a retcon. It also makes John feel like he's his own character rather than just a reskin of Arthur.

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Hondaslayer

Plus it gave R* a lot of fun jokes too.

 

 

Can't swim, dumb etc... I liked that they made fun of themselves (and John, I guess)

 

 

Edit: Maybe Jim Milton can swim. Patch it and allow Jim to swim ;)

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~INDIO~
2 hours ago, Cutter De Blanc said:

Swam out in Lake Don Julio last night as Arthur, because f*ck you John Marston, that's why

You found a way to enter New Austin as Arthur without getting killed?

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tre288
12 minutes ago, ~INDIO~ said:

You found a way to enter New Austin as Arthur without getting killed?

There's a glitch goin around.

 

Something about one of the Bronte missions

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0223998743
2 hours ago, scotthedge12 said:

I hate playing as john in this game so much. He's too thin and looks like some nerd playing dress up in all the outfits. I'm never going to freeroam as him long.

You do know that you can eat and eat a lot and be in overweight. He is even different from Arthur when in overweight, he does not get a belly like him.

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MostWantedMVP

Not really a big deal. It's a land based game anyway.

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Jason

It makes hanging around deep water a bit butt-clenching for sure, but I haven't been doing that very often. I like the lore reason behind it my self, it's a fun nod to the first game.

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oCrapaCreeper

To be fair there's no reason to swim in this game aside from covering short distances, and your horse is a better swimmer anyway if you for some reason do need to swim.

 

Arthur isn't that great of a swimmer either and runs out of stamina pretty quick.

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Nutduster

I'm happy they kept it basically consistent. And it doesn't matter anyway. As Arthur I've swum about half a dozen times - his slow paddling and fast stamina drain make it nearly useless for exploration, or for anything other than staying alive for fifteen seconds when you accidentally fall in the water.

 

It is so nearly useless even when you have it that I am honestly surprised anyone cares. Just get a canoe.

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Revrico
7 hours ago, Meekail said:

I bet if they did make him swim, there would be people saying "WHY CAN HE SWIM IN THIS GAME BUT NOT IN THE FIRST GAME?? MAKES NO SENSE"

 

I do agree it's annoying though. At least we can swim with horses now.

I have a solution to that. Let John swim until you reach 100%, then a special cutscene mission comes that scares John out of the water. Maybe a second unmentioned child eaten by a catfish or something. 

 

Keeps canon, while not punishing us for finishing the game. 

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O.Z
10 hours ago, 1972 said:

It's a terrible choice. They should've favored gameplay over immersion in this case.

Exactly, talking about immersion, there’s not a single word of Arthur in RDR so that kills it pretty much anyways... 

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HopalongCasidy
10 hours ago, scotthedge12 said:

I hate playing as john in this game so much. He's too thin and looks like some nerd playing dress up in all the outfits. I'm never going to freeroam as him long.

Good luck with your grieving process.

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paddymcg

I don't mind that he can't swim, it doesn't change much about the game but it's implemented quite poorly. The stamina bar should take time to drain (maybe 1-2 seconds) and the stamina core definitely shouldn't drop to 0 instantly, that's very annoying.

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Lonely-Martin

Not something I miss, and love that they kept John true to his former self from RDR and the banter R* added to mock him of his lack of swimming ability. Though do feel the game would be bigger and better if there was underwater stuff or reasons to use the waters.

 

But with us and online to come, plenty of time for the game to grow. Unfortunately, probably will all be online only though. I'd love a story DLC and there's no shortage of ideas but, well, GTA:O.

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O.Z
6 minutes ago, Lonely-Martin said:

Not something I miss, and love that they kept John true to his former self from RDR and the banter R* added to mock him of his lack of swimming ability. Though do feel the game would be bigger and better if there was underwater stuff or reasons to use the waters.

 

But with us and online to come, plenty of time for the game to grow. Unfortunately, probably will all be online only though. I'd love a story DLC and there's no shortage of ideas but, well, GTA:O.

Nah, in RDR the horses couldn’t swim either so why not implement that as well to RDR2 then? I tell you why, because that would ruin the gameplay. John not being able to swim makes him look like a puff, an outlaw who has lived his whole life in wilderness has never learned how to swim? LOL, give me a break. 

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Lonely-Martin
14 minutes ago, O.Z said:

Nah, in RDR the horses couldn’t swim either so why not implement that as well to RDR2 then? I tell you why, because that would ruin the gameplay. John not being able to swim makes him look like a puff, an outlaw who has lived his whole life in wilderness has never learned how to swim? LOL, give me a break. 

I can agree with the horses not being ideal for continuity. No logic but R*'s there.

 

But for sure in those days, to believe a boy picked up by Dutch and protected by a group of land living folk, he just hasn't needed or wanted to learn or try. Not hard to believe considering I know people IRL that fear water or just won't/can't swim IRL today. If we lived in world where everyone swam, I'd accept John has to, lol.

 

It's just not important to me at all. There's no reason to need to as they changed the horses.

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Darealbandicoot
1 hour ago, Lonely-Martin said:

I can agree with the horses not being ideal for continuity. No logic but R*'s there.

 

But for sure in those days, to believe a boy picked up by Dutch and protected by a group of land living folk, he just hasn't needed or wanted to learn or try. Not hard to believe considering I know people IRL that fear water or just won't/can't swim IRL today. If we lived in world where everyone swam, I'd accept John has to, lol.

 

It's just not important to me at all. There's no reason to need to as they changed the horses.

I don't have a problem with it either but funnily enough, every NPC you bump into the water CAN swim in RDR2 making John the only one. 

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