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Who is the REAL traitor?(Spoiler)

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Goorin

I think I figured it out! The entire story makes so much sense if we assume that Micah was passing information to both the Pinkertons and the Odriscolls. But instead of giving them the information directly had his pals (Cleet and the other guy) do it for him. I feel that they (his pals) were keeping touch and working together the entire game so then they could all walk away with the money. I think originally Micah joins the gang because he realized he could make money through them. Then when the Blackwater heist is planned and he finds out they're going to stash money, he does the obvious and sends Cleet to the Pinkertons to sabotage the mission. Which then they could grab the money. Micah probably wouldn't have wanted the Pinkertons in direct contact with himself. So why not have a random person (his friends) tip off law enforcement. I feel by chapter 5 the gang had done too much damage that Pinkertons were fed up and threatened Cleet to give up Micah. Hence being picked up then. At that point Micah has no choice but to work with the Pinkertons directly. 

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Goorin

-EDIT- I think I figured it out! The entire story makes so much sense if we assume that Micah was passing information to both the Pinkertons and the Odriscolls. But instead of giving them the information directly, had his pals (Cleet and the other guy) do it for him. I feel that they (his pals) were keeping in touch and working together the entire game so then they could all walk away with the money.  I think originally Micah joins the gang because he realized he could make money through them. When the Blackwater heist is planned and he finds out they're going to stash money, he does the obvious and sends Cleet to the Pinkertons to sabotage the mission. Which then they could possibly grab the money. Micah probably wouldn't have wanted the Pinkertons in direct contact with himself. Micah would've wanted to protect his identity from the gang so they wouldn't think he was the rat. So why not have a random person (his friends) tip off law enforcement. He had to be like an undercover cop and fit in. I feel by chapter 5 the gang had done too much damage that the Pinkertons couldn't ignore it anymore and were fed up. So they threatened Cleet to give up Micah. Hence why Micah was then picked up. At that point Micah has no choice but to work with the Pinkertons directly. We see throughout the game Micahs struggle to find the hidden money, so over time he sabotages the gang hoping to make things work in his favor. All the while keeping his friends in the distance doing his dirty work. And then near the end, the gang is weak and falling apart so Micah says screw it and has his pals show up to make sure they have their way. And as a side note, I feel when Cornwall is killed, Micah helped plan it because he was getting sick of the Pinkertons and wanted them off his back now that they were forcing him to work with them directly.

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Smokewood

I think it was Trelawey the entire time.

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Auditore

I liked that micah was the rat ONLY after guarma,because it doesnt take away Dutch's agency in the story,you cant fall back into "well of course dutch failed there was a rat all along".

The gangs downfall is still on Dutch and even more than that his ego made him trust the man that would help bring the gangs downfall.

Micah serves as an extention to Dutchs character and its fair that Dutch is the first one to put a bullet on Micah.

On 7/1/2019 at 1:58 PM, Smokewood said:

I think it was Trelawey the entire time.

I would love to learn more about him,even play him,hes such a interesting side character.

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RyanRanger
On 11/26/2018 at 12:38 PM, jmcc84 said:

Marston works for the government for the sole reason that the government has imprisioned his wife and son and threatened to kill them if he did'nt. He would never go after revenge against Dutch, Javier and Bill by his own will. Of course, that the fact of the gang left him to die in the train heist maybe added some little motivation to it, but John says to Abigail after killing Micah when he gets home: IT'S OVER. If werent for Ross tracking him down and kidnapping his family he would never chased them.

 

About the real traitor, i got to the conclusion that only Micah was the rat, and what happened before Guarma was a result of Dutch's stupid decisions that drove attention to the gang and exposed them.

 

Milton says that Molly hasn't ratted out the gang even though he pressed her to do it. What she does at the camp is a mere lie to attempt to piss off Dutch because he does't give her enough attention (tipical of women).

 

On 11/26/2018 at 12:38 PM, jmcc84 said:

Milton says that Molly hasn't ratted out the gang even though he pressed her to do it. What she does at the camp is a mere lie to attempt to piss off Dutch because he does't give her enough attention (tipical of women).

It’s “typical” not “tipical”. Gen Z kids really need to read a book. Like even one.

Granted I confess your response annoyed me. Molly went into that camp not for attention, but a death wish. She knew she’d be killed and that’s exactly what she wanted. Having said that I agree with you on most the other stuff.

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Copcaller

Micah definitely was a rat not John or Abigail or Hosea. He didn't directly talk to the Pinkertons before guarma but he wanted to convince Dutch into going to get the money and later turning him over for his bounty hence him having Dutch's poster in his camp. Milton was gloating and had no reason to lie between Dutch committing high profile robberies in broad daylight and Micah's snitching they easily made counter measures

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ConnorW55

I believe that there are multiple possibilities. One they were reckless there were no rats just bad choices. Two Micah was the rat. Three there were more that one rat throughout the course of the game. Abigails escape from the bank heist is suspicious she could have been the rat on at least the bank heist in exchange for John's freedom in hopes of having a family but once Hosea dies she backs out so they put John up for execution. Also John before the events of the main game was apart from the gang to about a year he then suddenly returned and was welcomed back in despite Arthur's suspicions. I personally don't believe Micah was the rat. Because Micah personality wise is arrogant he likes to gloat. Wouldn't Micah in the final fight with Arthur alone no Dutch in sight admit that he was the rat to Arthur just to piss him off instead he denies being the rat calling Arthur delusional. Even in the bad endings.

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Ryo256
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It could be possible that Micah did rat but since he is a professional manipulator, he probably fed lies to Milton. He is hostile towards Arthur as well so he probably wanted Pinkertons and Arthur to get rid of each other for him and get Blackwater money with Dutch.

Reason I believe this is because when Pinkertons do attack the camp in the last chapter, Micah is just as surprised as everyone. I mean if you fed them the information, why would you be surprised that they finally attacked? Doesn't quite add up if he is the rat.

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RJX74
22 hours ago, ConnorW55 said:

 Three there were more that one rat throughout the course of the game. Abigails escape from the bank heist is suspicious 

Pretty sure that was the original plan. The newspapers talk about how the Train Job had a snitch, John will ask Arthur about whether it was a trap, then later Arthur will go tell Dutch that the law appeared way too quickly.

 

I'm guessing at somepoint they had John, Sean or Charles as a second rat and scrapped the storyline. 

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CosmicBuffalo

After replaying the game, its pretty damn clear Micah is the rat.  I still feel Abigail is just as capable, but when I played the good guy ending, it just made too much sense that they wanted you to know Micah was clearly the rat.

 

 

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