RED DEAD REDEMPTION 2 - "Chronological" Mission Order

[jimmyoneshot]

7 hours ago, Psycho18 said:

I see now. It make sense for Arthur to buy saddles and stirrups, because Arthur lost his horse equipment when Boadicea died or got lost.

 

In chapter 2, I would buy Springfield rifle for hunting,  and The Dutch Warmblood horse after Pouring Forth Oil 2. Nobody in the gang as a Dutch Warmblood horse. The free stuff  I will use and get are the grey Ardennes horse in Bruised Ego, weapons that the main and side missions give, varmint rifle from random encounter, and a new outfit from random encounter.

 

In chapter 3, I will buy saddles and stirrups. I get will get a free outfit from random encounter. Other stuff will receive in main and side missions.

 

In chapter 4, I will buy outfit, weapons and customization for weapons. Other free stuff Arthur will receive in main and side missions. All that money Arthur collected throughout the chapters will go to waste in chapter 6 when he dies. Arthur should buy stuff when he can.

 

Do anybody know,  if I leave Arthur's money at the pig farm robbery in chapter 4, will it still be there for John in the epilogue? Does it work?

I think that still works bud. This guy did it last September:-

 

 

[jimmyoneshot]

I've just noticed something really strange in the epilogue.  I got to the mission Honest Days Labors which is the 2nd story mission you do with Sadie and as I was riding towards the canyon where you start shooting at the bounty hunters below John said the line "I been doing some bounty hunting of my own since we last met. I ain't gonna make a habit of it". The weird thing is I haven't done any bounties as John whatsoever. I thought this might've been a glitch in the PC version or something because I'm on PC now but another guy in the video below didn't get the same line and John just stayed quiet instead.

 

I'm thinking it might be one of the bounty missions in the normal chapters that I did which triggers it, maybe one of the new ones that they added with the PC version. I am thinking I could start a new game, skip through all the main missions and not do any bounties and then make a secondary savegame just before the end of chapter 6. Then I could do certain bounties and see if they cause this dialogue to occur.

 

Anyone else get this weird line?

 

This guy did all the epilogue missions on PC but never got the same line (1:55:00) :-

 

 

 

@Psycho18 I think you said you were almost up to the epilogue didn't you? If so can you please let me know if you get this line by doing no bounties as John before this?

Edited April 21, 2020 by jimmyoneshot

[Dan_1983]

8 hours ago, Psycho18 said:

I see now. It make sense for Arthur to buy saddles and stirrups, because Arthur lost his horse equipment when Boadicea died or got lost.

 

In chapter 2, I would buy Springfield rifle for hunting,  and The Dutch Warmblood horse after Pouring Forth Oil 2. Nobody in the gang as a Dutch Warmblood horse. The free stuff  I will use and get are the grey Ardennes horse in Bruised Ego, weapons that the main and side missions give, varmint rifle from random encounter, and a new outfit from random encounter.

 

In chapter 3, I will buy saddles and stirrups. I get will get a free outfit from random encounter. Other stuff will receive in main and side missions.

 

In chapter 4, I will buy outfit, weapons and customization for weapons. Other free stuff Arthur will receive in main and side missions. All that money Arthur collected throughout the chapters will go to waste in chapter 6 when he dies. Arthur should buy stuff when he can.

 

Do anybody know,  if I leave Arthur's money at the pig farm robbery in chapter 4, will it still be there for John in the epilogue? Does it work?

I always get the Dutch Warmblood after Spines of America as I use the fence to sell the Limpany gold bar. It just seems to suit Arthur a lot as it's not fancy, but is brave, quick, and has stamina for days. It's the best horse you can buy early.

 

Most valuables I get go in the camp funds, along with a bit of cash after every job. 

 

I do keep the saddle he gets, but change the stirrups.

 

Yes I buy the Springfield rifle too or I get Norbert to buy it. It's useful for both hunting and shooting enemies as it only takes one headshot to kill both. I also exploit the Bolt Action rifle glitch in The First Shall be the Last and head canon that Arthur is replacing his current one with a fresh new one in Preaching Forgiveness as He Went.

 

I do buy new clothes, but not fancy ones.

[Psycho18]

1 hour ago, jimmyoneshot said:

I've just noticed something really strange in the epilogue.  I got to the mission Honest Days Labors which is the 2nd story mission you do with Sadie and as I was riding towards the canyon where you start shooting at the bounty hunters below John said the line "I been doing some bounty hunting of my own since we last met. I ain't gonna make a habit of it". The weird thing is I haven't done any bounties as John whatsoever. I thought this might've been a glitch in the PC version or something because I'm on PC now but another guy in the video below didn't get the same line and John just stayed quiet instead.

 

I'm thinking it might be one of the bounty missions in the normal chapters that I did which triggers it, maybe one of the new ones that they added with the PC version. I am thinking I could start a new game, skip through all the main missions and not do any bounties and then make a secondary savegame just before the end of chapter 6. Then I could do certain bounties and see if they cause this dialogue to occur.

 

Anyone else get this weird line?

 

This guy did all the epilogue missions on PC but never got the same line (1:55:00) :-

 

 

 

@Psycho18 I think you said you were almost up to the epilogue didn't you? If so can you please let me know if you get this line by doing no bounties as John before this?

When got the line, " I been doing some bounty hunting of my own since we last met. I ain't gonna make habit of it" in Honest Days Labour. I already did Bounties Joshua Brown, Elias Green, Otis Skinner, and Jonquin Arroyo. My new playthrough I will put Jonquin Arroyo and other Tumbleweed bounties after the epilogue. In Rdr1, John says he never been to New Austin.

 

After I read some good ideas on this thread, I started a new game. I currently on chapter 2.

[jimmyoneshot]

2 minutes ago, Psycho18 said:

When got the line, " I been doing some bounty hunting of my own since we last met. I ain't gonna make habit of it" in Honest Days Labour. I already did Bounties Joshua Brown, Elias Green, Otis Skinner, and Jonquin Arroyo. My new playthrough I will put Jonquin Arroyo and other Tumbleweed bounties after the epilogue. In Rdr1, John says he never been to New Austin.

 

After I read some good ideas on this thread, I started a new game. I currently on chapter 2.

Cool man. I've still got a save from Chapter 4 before any bounties in that chapter so I'm gonna quickly see what causes it. I think it's the new bounties that cause this issue which would just be the camille de millemont one in chapter 4.

[Psycho18]

6 minutes ago, jimmyoneshot said:

Cool man. I've still got a save from Chapter 4 before any bounties in that chapter so I'm gonna quickly see what causes it. I think it's the new bounties that cause this issue which would just be the camille de millemont one in chapter 4.

I never did the new bounties yet. Does the PS4 have the new bounties? Let me know if the new bounties causes problems. How many new bounties are there? Who should get these new bounties, Arthur or John?

[jimmyoneshot]

Just now, Psycho18 said:

I never did the new bounties yet. Does the PS4 have the new bounties? Let me know if the new bounties causes problems. How many new bounties are there? Who should get these new bounties, Arthur or John?

Ye apparently they are on console too now but were originally just pc. There is only one that can be done as Arthur - camille de millemont because the rest unlock in the epilogue. My theory is they messed something up so that camille is being classed as done by John if you do it as Arthur before the epilogue.

[Cymro-MJ]

Hi @jimmyoneshot, have you ever considered placing Money Lending 4 later on in Chapter 2 to fit the fact that Arthur only starts to show early symptoms of TB in the following Chapter? For example, there's quite a cool cutscene which I'm sure you're aware of where you go to read Mary's letter but Strauss interrupts you and sends you to Downes ranch to complete the debt collection. I'm not suggesting this is canon or anything but has it made you consider your order in any way by placing it later on in Chapter 2?

 

 

Edited April 21, 2020 by MatthewJAli

[jimmyoneshot]

37 minutes ago, MatthewJAli said:

Hi @jimmyoneshot, have you ever considered placing Money Lending 4 later on in Chapter 2 to fit the fact that Arthur only starts to show early symptoms of TB in the following Chapter? For example, there's quite a cool cutscene which I'm sure you're aware of where you go to read Mary's letter but Strauss interrupts you and sends you to Downes ranch to complete the debt collection. I'm not suggesting this is canon or anything but has it made you consider your order in any way by placing it later on in Chapter 2?

 

 

Ye I know what bit you mean bud. It's certainly a possibility. The thing is when Chapter 2 starts there are pretty much 2 things available which are gang 'business' - Checking on Swanson and meeting the guys in Valentine which unlocks rescuing Sean, debt collecting and interrogating Kieran. Everything else such as the trip to Valentine with Uncle or the hunting trip with Hosea are more casual. Obviously once Swanson is back and Arthur has been to Valentine Sean would be a priority so that would come next or pretty soon at latest.

 

I always thought that after Sean's party seems like a good time to do Polite Society because it's like a casual trip to town and Arthur and Uncle seem hungover during it. Remember they fall asleep outside the general store in the middle of the day. After this I think getting money for the gang would be a priority because money lending is the only mission out of all of these early missions that Arthur KNOWS will get the gang money. The only other mission we really get money from is Social Call but that money is stumbled upon randomly rather than Arthur going to actually get it.

 

Another thing is Social Call is the mission which directly unlocks Quiet Time where Dutch has the conversation with Arthur about it feeling like they are getting back on their feet which makes more sense after Arthur has brought in some money. This mission leads directly on to other urgent stuff like Blessed Are The Meek. And after it is unlocked you can no longer talk to Dutch without triggering this mission and he shouts you over as you walk nearby.

 

I suppose Social Call and Money Lending could be done in either order though.

[Cymro-MJ]

49 minutes ago, jimmyoneshot said:

Ye I know what bit you mean bud. It's certainly a possibility. The thing is when Chapter 2 starts there are pretty much 2 things available which are gang 'business' - Checking on Swanson and meeting the guys in Valentine which unlocks rescuing Sean, debt collecting and interrogating Kieran. Everything else such as the trip to Valentine with Uncle or the hunting trip with Hosea are more casual. Obviously once Swanson is back and Arthur has been to Valentine Sean would be a priority so that would come next or pretty soon at latest.

 

I always thought that after Sean's party seems like a good time to do Polite Society because it's like a casual trip to town and Arthur and Uncle seem hungover during it. Remember they fall asleep outside the general store in the middle of the day. After this I think getting money for the gang would be a priority because money lending is the only mission out of all of these early missions that Arthur KNOWS will get the gang money. The only other mission we really get money from is Social Call but that money is stumbled upon randomly rather than Arthur going to actually get it.

 

Another thing is Social Call is the mission which directly unlocks Quiet Time where Dutch has the conversation with Arthur about it feeling like they are getting back on their feet which makes more sense after Arthur has brought in some money. This mission leads directly on to other urgent stuff like Blessed Are The Meek. And after it is unlocked you can no longer talk to Dutch without triggering this mission and he shouts you over as you walk nearby.

 

I suppose Social Call and Money Lending could be done in either order though.

You make some good points to be fair!

 

I agree with your Chapter 2 order btw apart from the first 2 missions.

 

This is how I do it:

 

I spend the morning of Day 1 completing chores, conversing with the gang in camp (triggering the Pearson rabbit request for that sweet and rare Scout Jacket) and watching them interact with each other. I tend to then head out in the early afternoon to hunt some deer/pronghorn for the stew (Pearson asks me to try my luck again with my bow). I also gather some wild carrots for my horse and start Herbalist 1 by collecting the yarrow near-by. I usually then run into Deborah McGuinness to start "A Test Of Faith" and return to camp shortly after to deliver the carcass to Pearson. By this point it's usually around 2/3pm so I take a short walk around camp and engage in a couple more conversations. I then try and sit down and talk with Mary-Beth if the "?" is available (they're similar to the psychiatrist sessions in GTA V), because very early on Arthur seems concerned with the current gang situation and in his own words says "I keep thinking I should help people.. but, I don't know". - (I quite like that line because it foreshadows his Redemption arc later on in the game).

 

Following that I approach Swanson's bible which leads a concerned Arthur to head out in search for him. This brings me up to around 4pm which fits in perfectly with the "Who Is Not Without Sin" start time of around 5pm. I complete that mission and return Swanson back to camp and that's me pretty much done for the day. Obviously this would involve leaving Javier, Bill and Charles overnight in Valentine, but doing that doesn't really bother me as they've had a rough few weeks up in the Grizzlies and are likely just looking for a good time. After all Hosea doesn't really tell you WHY they're in Valentine, and by the time you arrive (I do Americans at Rest the next day by the way) they're stood drinking with some girls who they maybe met the night before. That's at least how I try to head canon it.

 

I think it's a very plausible start to the game to be honest

[Mr. Ando]

12 hours ago, jimmyoneshot said:

I've just noticed something really strange in the epilogue.  I got to the mission Honest Days Labors which is the 2nd story mission you do with Sadie and as I was riding towards the canyon where you start shooting at the bounty hunters below John said the line "I been doing some bounty hunting of my own since we last met. I ain't gonna make a habit of it". The weird thing is I haven't done any bounties as John whatsoever. I thought this might've been a glitch in the PC version or something because I'm on PC now but another guy in the video below didn't get the same line and John just stayed quiet instead.

 

I'm thinking it might be one of the bounty missions in the normal chapters that I did which triggers it, maybe one of the new ones that they added with the PC version. I am thinking I could start a new game, skip through all the main missions and not do any bounties and then make a secondary savegame just before the end of chapter 6. Then I could do certain bounties and see if they cause this dialogue to occur.

 

Anyone else get this weird line?

 

This guy did all the epilogue missions on PC but never got the same line (1:55:00) :-

 

 

 

@Psycho18 I think you said you were almost up to the epilogue didn't you? If so can you please let me know if you get this line by doing no bounties as John before this?

Yes, you get it in PS4 too. I recommend doing a bounty before starting this mission  

[jimmyoneshot]

2 minutes ago, MatthewJAli said:

You make some good points to be fair!

 

I agree with your Chapter 2 order btw apart from the first 2 missions.

 

This is how I do it:

 

I spend the morning of Day 1 completing chores, conversing with the gang in camp (triggering the Pearson rabbit request for that sweet and rare Scout Jacket) and watching them interact with each other. I tend to then head out in the early afternoon to hunt some deer/pronghorn for the stew (Pearson asks me to try my luck again with my bow). I also gather some wild carrots for my horse and start Herbalist 1 by collecting the yarrow near-by. I usually then run into Deborah McGuinness to start "A Test Of Faith" and return to camp shortly after to deliver the carcass to Pearson. By this point it's usually around 2/3pm so I take a short walk around camp and engage in a couple more conversations. I then try and sit down and talk with Mary-Beth if the "?" is available (they're similar to the psychiatrist sessions in GTA V), because very early on Arthur seems concerned with the current gang situation and in his own words says "I keep thinking I should help people.. but, I don't know". - (I quite like that line because it foreshadows his Redemption arc later on in the game).

 

Following that I approach Swanson's bible which leads a concerned Arthur to head out in search for him. This brings me up to around 4pm which fits in perfectly with the "Who Is Not Without Sin" start time of around 5pm. I complete that mission and return Swanson back to camp and that's me pretty much done for the day. Obviously this would involve leaving Javier, Bill and Charles overnight in Valentine, but doing that doesn't really bother me as they've had a rough few weeks up in the Grizzlies and are likely just looking for a good time. After all Hosea doesn't really tell you WHY they're in Valentine, and by the time you arrive (I do Americans at Rest the next day by the way) they're stood drinking with some girls who they maybe met the night before. That's at least how I try to head canon it.

 

I think it's a very plausible start to the game to be honest

To be honest. I've thought about it for a while and I still think doing Without Sin on the first day before Americans At Rest is perfectly feasible and kind of makes sense too. There are a few reasons for this:-

 

- It is the last thing that Hosea mentions in the opening cutscene so Arthur would likely have it in the front of his mind. Hosea almost highlights it

- The mission is the most straightforward

- It gives you a chance to leave camp, hunt and bring back an animal. This results in some dialogue with Grimshaw where she tells you about sending Lenny and Micah scouting west

- If you do it irst there is also some dialogue between Dutch and Molly where Dutch tells you to go and meet the guys in Valentine because they have been a while

- It unlocks the camp basics such as playing cards etc

- It has a mini tutorial in it where the game tells you how to lock onto people and talk to them

- Although it has a fight in it the fight is quite basic and it's like this is meant to be an intro to basic fighting and At Rest is more like advanced fighting because during that there is a tutorial on how to grab etc

- It introduces you to being wanted and it's quite possible you could become wanted in Valentine and wouldn't know what to do if you did that first

- The mission has the option to sit and play cards which wouldn't really make sense after Arthur has just been in a brawl in town and found out that Sean needs rescuing

- Doing it on the same day after At Rest would mean Arthur is having 2 brawls in one day

 

I also noticed that when Dutch tells you to clean yourself up after At Rest Arthur is left looking straight at the saloon. I'm thinking maybe this is a perfect time to get a bath to waste some time and then hunt again before following the guys to Blackwater the next day. So basically this:-

 

- ( Chores, cook all meat, learn all the things in camp etc )

- ( Hunt an animal and ring it back )

- < Test Of Faith >

- Who Is Not Without Sin

---------------------------------------------------------------------

- Americans At Rest

- ( Bath )

- ( Hunt )

---------------------------------------------------------------------

- First Shall Be The Last

 

2 minutes ago, Mr. Ando said:

Yes, you get it in PS4 too. I recommend doing a bounty before starting this mission  

Thanks Mr Ando. I thought that might be a good idea too. Problem is the only bounties closeby are those skinner bounties and it feels strange to do those early because it feels much bette for the Skinners to be introduced in those story missions later on. However I suppose there is that new Bart Kavanaugh bounty in Strawberry.

[Mr. Ando]

On 4/17/2020 at 3:10 PM, Mr. Ando said:

I believe it's better to leave most of the side missions to John because including them while trying to play chronologically is a mess. Just do the ones that fit the story

 

- The first bounty hunting

- Money Lending

- Mary's missions

- Brother Dorkins and Sister Calderon's missions

- The Mayor's missions

- The exotics if you find the guy at the party

- The Widow

 

There's two optionals for me, Albert Mason's missions and the electric chair professor. If you do Albert's missions with John the game skips the third one because John doesn't know hot to herd and you'll miss the cool wolves print. Mercies of Knowledge can't be done with John for some reason.

I forgot to include the fundraiser mission. If you do it then when you're playing with John you can see Arthur's name in the commemorative plaque

[Cymro-MJ]

45 minutes ago, jimmyoneshot said:

To be honest. I've thought about it for a while and I still think doing Without Sin on the first day before Americans At Rest is perfectly feasible and kind of makes sense too. There are a few reasons for this:-

 

- It is the last thing that Hosea mentions in the opening cutscene so Arthur would likely have it in the front of his mind. Hosea almost highlights it

- The mission is the most straightforward

- It gives you a chance to leave camp, hunt and bring back an animal. This results in some dialogue with Grimshaw where she tells you about sending Lenny and Micah scouting west

- If you do it irst there is also some dialogue between Dutch and Molly where Dutch tells you to go and meet the guys in Valentine because they have been a while

- It unlocks the camp basics such as playing cards etc

- It has a mini tutorial in it where the game tells you how to lock onto people and talk to them

- Although it has a fight in it the fight is quite basic and it's like this is meant to be an intro to basic fighting and At Rest is more like advanced fighting because during that there is a tutorial on how to grab etc

- It introduces you to being wanted and it's quite possible you could become wanted in Valentine and wouldn't know what to do if you did that first

- The mission has the option to sit and play cards which wouldn't really make sense after Arthur has just been in a brawl in town and found out that Sean needs rescuing

- Doing it on the same day after At Rest would mean Arthur is having 2 brawls in one day

 

I also noticed that when Dutch tells you to clean yourself up after At Rest Arthur is left looking straight at the saloon. I'm thinking maybe this is a perfect time to get a bath to waste some time and then hunt again before following the guys to Blackwater the next day. So basically this:-

 

- ( Chores, cook all meat, learn all the things in camp etc )

- ( Hunt an animal and ring it back )

- < Test Of Faith >

- Who Is Not Without Sin

---------------------------------------------------------------------

- Americans At Rest

- ( Bath )

- ( Hunt )

---------------------------------------------------------------------

- First Shall Be The Last

 

You've got it my man!

 

That last line is exactly how I do things for the rest of day 2. 

 

I go and take a bath (it's been weeks), leave the hotel and go and meet Mickey (The War Vet) for the first time. Then I saddle up and go bring back another few carcasses for camp (including the rabbit Pearson wanted). When I get back I have my evening meal where Dutch asks me when I'm going to look for Sean. I speak to Bill once he's finished his guard post shift about the bruises he's picked up from the bar fight and take an early night. I wake up at dawn and head straight towards Blackwater, doing the odd thing on the way. 

 

Doing it this way removes the dilemma of choosing between rescuing Swanson or Sean first. (Although technically you could say you don't know for sure at that point if the Reverend is in need of rescue). Either way, playing a casual poker game whilst Sean's life is in the balance seems pretty dumb to me.

Edited April 21, 2020 by MatthewJAli

[jimmyoneshot]

19 minutes ago, MatthewJAli said:

You've got it my man!

 

That last line is exactly how I do things for the rest of day 2. 

 

I go and take a bath (it's been weeks), leave the hotel and go and meet Mickey (The War Vet) for the first time. Then I saddle up and go bring back another few carcasses for camp (including the rabbit Pearson wanted). When I get back I have my evening meal where Dutch asks me when I'm going to look for Sean. I speak to Bill once he's finished his guard post shift about the bruises he's picked up from the bar fight and take an early night. I wake up at dawn and head straight towards Blackwater, doing the odd thing on the way. 

 

Doing it this way removes the dilemma of choosing between rescuing Swanson or Sean first. (Although technically you could say you don't know for sure at that point if the Reverend is in need of rescue). Either way, playing a casual poker game whilst Sean's life is in the balance seems pretty dumb to me.

Ye my only issue with it is the time potentially remaining after At Rest and a bath. What I mean is I think Polite Society is meant to come after Seans party and I think that should be the intro to Valentine itself, shopping etc. Shopkeepers even talk about the fight like it was yesterday when you go to them after At Rest. For example the Gunsmith says "you're the guy who had the fight with Tommy outside of Smithfields? People are still talking about that fight". This really sounds weird on the same day so we can't really visit shops after the bath to kill time. This isn't an issue if you do Without Sin afterwards because that takes up this time.

 

So ye maybe hunting and then chores again perhaps before sleeping.

[Cymro-MJ]

50 minutes ago, jimmyoneshot said:

Ye my only issue with it is the time potentially remaining after At Rest and a bath. What I mean is I think Polite Society is meant to come after Seans party and I think that should be the intro to Valentine itself, shopping etc. Shopkeepers even talk about the fight like it was yesterday when you go to them after At Rest. For example the Gunsmith says "you're the guy who had the fight with Tommy outside of Smithfields? People are still talking about that fight". This really sounds weird on the same day so we can't really visit shops after the bath to kill time. This isn't an issue if you do Without Sin afterwards because that takes up this time.

 

So ye maybe hunting and then chores again perhaps before sleeping.

I start "Americans At Rest" around 1pm and use the time before that walking around Valentine purchasing some new items (e.g some new boots, a pair of pants and a shirt or two). I know some people prefer not to spend money at the start but I just head-canon that his clothes have worn terribly due to the poor weather conditions up north and that he's in desperate need for a new pair of boots at least! Both the gunsmith and the general store owner reference the bar fight so I think showing your face beforehand so they recognise you isn't a bad idea. I purchase the varmint rifle and pump shotgun which are both free with the ultimate edition. After that I buy a newspaper and make my way down to the saloon to do the mission. I take a bath and leave town pretty soon after that. It gives me an hour or so of daylight to hunt the plains which is more than enough time really as The Heartlands are rich with game.

Edited April 21, 2020 by MatthewJAli

[jimmyoneshot]

35 minutes ago, MatthewJAli said:

I start "Americans At Rest" around 1pm and use the time before that walking around Valentine purchasing some new items (e.g some new boots, a pair of pants and a shirt or two). I know some people prefer not to spend money at the start but I just head-canon that his clothes have worn terribly due to the poor weather conditions up north and that he's in desperate need for a new pair of boots at least! Both the gunsmith and the general store owner reference the bar fight so I think showing your face beforehand so they recognise you isn't a bad idea. I purchase the varmint rifle and pump shotgun which are both free with the ultimate edition. After that I buy a newspaper and make my way down to the saloon to do the mission. I take a bath and leave town pretty soon after that. It gives me an hour or so of daylight to hunt the plains which is more than enough time really as The Heartlands are rich with game.

Sounds decent. I prefer not to do anything until the game introduces us to it if that makes sense e.g. I don't camp out until after Exit Pursued. I suppose there is also possibly the Castor's Ridge encounter and the murder map piece. I'll check it out soon coz I want to test that order out myself soon as it's one thing I've been thinking about.

 

Something I don't think I've mentioned here but the only way to get the shopkeeper to mention the Tommy fight is to do Polite Society at some point after At Rest in which case he mentions it while you are in there with Uncle otherwise he never mentions it like the gunsmith.

 

Regarding outfits one thing I've noticed in the epilogue is that Marston randomly wears outfits after certain cutscenes. I wish they did this with Arthur so we knew his own style better. I also realised that sometimes Marston 'layers' his outfits. What I mean is there are certain cutscenes where he is wearing a specific hat, shirt and pants then later he puts a vest on over the shirt and then when he heads into the snow he puts a coat on over all that. I've been using the same idea with Arthur. Arthur seems to have the same setup with his gunslinger outfits.

Edited April 21, 2020 by jimmyoneshot

[Psycho18]

I saw something strange today. I am in chapter 2. As Arthur, I was riding around Valentine at night. In a Random encounter, a prostitute was calling for help. I went to see want is going on. I accept to follow the prostitute upstairs into the 2nd floor bedroom of the saloon. I decline to help her and hogtie her instead.

 

I carried the hogtie prostitute to the sheriff's office in Valentine. Then, I saw Sheriff Malloy sitting on other lawman's lap. They both started talking at the same time with different dialogues (did not understand what was saying). Sorry, I should of taken a photo with the photo mode on the PS4. I was not thinking at the time, because I was laughing. By the way, I did not do Bounty-Ellie Ann Swan yet.  Now, I am thinking I should have done Ellie Ann Swan bounty with Arthur earlier in chapter 2. I was holding the bounty for John in the epilogue.

 

PS. I just got a bounty from Sheriff Malloy, after I picked up the money off the table from the other lawman, LOL.

Edited April 21, 2020 by Psycho18

[Cymro-MJ]

On 3/30/2020 at 5:11 PM, TheJesus1996 said:

How many campers with info are in the game?

- We have the one in The Heartlands that talks about the widow

- Another one near the tracks east of Emerald Ranch that tells you to stay away from the pig farm

- In Roanoke Ridge there's one that talks about the missing princess 

- In The Grizzlies there's a hunter that talks about the legendary panther in Lemoyne 

- And the drunk dude who talks about the Indians 

I was planning to trigger this on the right time to have the feel of mini arc to one of this stories 

Could you expand a bit more on the locations of these campers mate? I'd really like to visit each of them and implement them in my current playthrough.

 

Bar the drunk guy who shows up in multiple locations, I think the others are fixed and I believe I've only ever come across one of them to speak to, the one up by the Mysterious Hill Home to be exact (near the I in AMBARINO if I remember correctly).

Edited April 21, 2020 by MatthewJAli

[Mr. Ando]

What happens if you don't do the Rhodes gunsmith event? does the kid is still there, or he's a grown up?

[KKs_Grandma]

On 4/20/2020 at 11:25 AM, Psycho18 said:

Do anybody know,  if I leave Arthur's money at the pig farm robbery in chapter 4, will it still be there for John in the epilogue? Does it work?

That's a question I was just asking myself last night. I saw a video of someone doing that but if you finish the mission, does John have a reason to go there?  It would be nice if Arthur wrote about it in his journal so john found out about it that way.

[jimmyoneshot]

40 minutes ago, KKs_Grandma said:

That's a question I was just asking myself last night. I saw a video of someone doing that but if you finish the mission, does John have a reason to go there?  It would be nice if Arthur wrote about it in his journal so john found out about it that way.

I think it's classed as more of a glitch grandma. It's likely they planned for us to go back and get the money as Arthur after he gets left outside but they never made it mandatory by mistake

 

1 hour ago, Mr. Ando said:

What happens if you don't do the Rhodes gunsmith event? does the kid is still there, or he's a grown up?

Looks like it's the same Mr Ando:-

 

 

Edited April 22, 2020 by jimmyoneshot

[Dan_1983]

Currently in mid Chapter 2 and I have to say the best loss of honour Arthur can have is killing the old guy who you beat in a race for the second time because he kills his horse. 

 

Anyways I'm near the start for Geology for Beginners. Is this best left for John?

[Cymro-MJ]

3 hours ago, Dan_1983 said:

Currently in mid Chapter 2 and I have to say the best loss of honour Arthur can have is killing the old guy who you beat in a race for the second time because he kills his horse. 

 

Anyways I'm near the start for Geology for Beginners. Is this best left for John?

Haha I agree, that guy is an asshole. 

 

I always complete Geology for Beginners as Arthur. I think it's the only one which makes little sense to start as Arthur and finish as John, because John never meets adult Mr Sinclair. I suppose you could hold off and entirely though and do the whole thing as John.

[Sutliff]

This is my first two chapters with a more detailed list of stuff that aren't the main missions.  I think everything is there that I do in Chapter 2.   I changed my original list a bit, plus got a great idea from Jimmy to do Without Sin first and then do Americans at rest the next day.

 

Missions Notes

Chapter 1

Outlaws from the West (Dutch)

Enter, Pursued by a Memory (Abigail)

Old Friends (Bill)

The Aftermath of Genesis (Pearson)

Who the Hell is Leviticus Cornwall (Dutch)  Let Lenny take Shovel to head

Eastward Bound (Dutch)

Chapter 2

Who is Not Without Sin (Swanson)  Day 1 - Talk to Dutch to get Pipe request, Hunt Buck or M Pronghorn, then do mission

Visit Home Building Father  Day 2 - Hunt other Animal you didn’t get, then visit father on way to mission, don't go the way of O'Driscoll Attack with wagon

Americans at Rest (Javier)  Day 2 evening - Stay overnight at hotel

(S) Smoking and Other Hobbies (Ramsbottom)  Day 3 - you should only have two cigarette cards

(S) Arcadia for Amateurs 1 (Mason) - Find Guy caught in Bear Trap?, perfect wolf

The First Shall be Last (Javier)  Day 3 Evening

Paying a Social Call (Keiran)  Day 4 - Stay in camp for Moonshine,Rabbit,Bourbon or Oleander Request, Mission Evening, Hunt Male Elk after mission

Money Lending and Other Sins (Strauss)  Day 5

(D) Millet  All 3, - Avoid the O'Driscoll's robbing the stage coach, Should find prisoner with Watson Tip

(D) Matthews  - After getting money stash, visit Ham Bethel

(D) Wrobel

(D) Downes  Day 6 Morning -get P Cougar by saving guy, Don't travel over O'Driscoll Bridge,Get Fountain Pen Request in camp, play poker to get Naval Compass Request

(S) Arcadia for Amateurs 2 (Mason) Day 7

(R) Watson's Cabin 1  - Find bear trap guy if you havent found him on the way

(R) Watson's Cabin 2  Day 8 - Camp out til next day, get pipe, then go to Watson Cabin

A Quiet Time (Dutch)  Day 9 Evening - get arrested, go to pigpen to retrieve hat

Shootout at Homebuilding  Day 10 Next Morning

Sells Supplies to Appleseed Foreman

Blessed are the Meek (Micah)  - Find Bear Trap guy in front of store, then talk to Micah, then go talk to Sheriff

Exit Pursued by a Bruised Ego( Hosea)  Day 11 - Should have enough money to buy best horse

Hunting (Charles)  Day 12 evening - Perfect Bison, Bag Hat (Might need to retry mission for Guy to wear Bag Hat a couple of times)

The Spines of America (Hosea)  Day 13 Morning - Now can go the routes were a wagon is involved and then sell it to Seamus

Five Finger Filet (Lenny)

Polite Society, Valentine Style (Uncle)  Day 14 Afternoon

(S) Noblest of Men and a Woman (Levin)  Day 14 Evening

Appleseed Fallen Tree  Hunt Animals that you didn’t get

Good Honest Snake Oil (Malloy)

Get Supplies for Father

 

At this point you should have, Hanging Bones, Pronghorn Skull, Wolf Skull, Elk Antlers,  Camp Fire Log Seat Covers, Big Horn Ram, Cow Ground Cover, Scout Ground Cover

Requests Completed:  Pipe, Kentucky Bourbon, Moonshine, Rabbit, Possibly Silver Pocket Watch

 

We Loved Once and True (Mary) 1-2  Day 1 -Morning - after mission Go to Bar and get in fight and steal Raccoon Hat from guy

Pouring Forth Oil 1-2(John  )  Day 2

(S) All That Glitters (Valdespino)

An American Pastoral (Micah)  Day 3 - Steal treasure map on the way from guy on cliff

Appleseed Wolf  - Get Bucket Hat from one of the workers after the mission by fighting or whatever method

A Fisher of Men (Abigail)  Day 4 Evening - Penny Comic Book Request

 

$5,Hair Pomade and Thimble Request should be made after A Fisher of Men but before Sheeps and Goats

 

Pouring Forth Oil 4(John)  Day 5 Afternoon - Stay in camp a day after mission ends to get requests

Get Jack Hall Treasure 1 - Day 7

Visit Home Building Father for Payment

Sheep and Goats (John) - After Mission, go to Clawson's Nest to get comic book, get High Stakes Treasure 1 then get back to camp at night to start next mission

A Strange Kindness (Dutch)

 

Edited April 22, 2020 by Sutliff

[Dan_1983]

Why do you avoid O'Driscolls? I actually love running into them as it gives me a chance of keeping my gun skills sharp lol.

 

I know where most of their ambushes and random encounters are too, so I never avoid them but rather like going that way lol.

[Sutliff]

26 minutes ago, Dan_1983 said:

Why do you avoid O'Driscolls? I actually love running into them as it gives me a chance of keeping my gun skills sharp lol.

 

I know where most of their ambushes and random encounters are too, so I never avoid them but rather like going that way lol.

I only avoid them until I get Seamus unlocked.  I never really gave Seamus that many wagons under previous playthroughs so just to utilize him more, I wait for those attacks so I can steal their wagon and sell it to him.

[Dan_1983]

2 hours ago, Sutliff said:

I only avoid them until I get Seamus unlocked.  I never really gave Seamus that many wagons under previous playthroughs so just to utilize him more, I wait for those attacks so I can steal their wagon and sell it to him.

Sometimes I just loot the wagon box, the bodies, and cut the horses loose. Depends on my funds. If I need cash, I take a wagon or stagecoach to Seamus. 

[Sutliff]

42 minutes ago, Dan_1983 said:

Sometimes I just loot the wagon box, the bodies, and cut the horses loose. Depends on my funds. If I need cash, I take a wagon or stagecoach to Seamus. 

I used to do that too.  Almost all of the time I used to only visit Seamus to buy trinkets.  Then I  just liked to save the wagons for Seamus since I never really took wagons to him other than the main mission ones.

[jimmyoneshot]

I just did a bit of a long test to check something out. I still had a save game at the start of chapter 4. In his savegame I hadn't done any of the bounties that become available in Chapter 4 but had done all of the ones before this.

 

So I reloaded that savegame and quickly did only all the main missions until the epilogue. During the epilogue there is a line during Honest Days Labours which is the 2nd time you meet up with Sadie Adler where John says "I been doing some bounty hunting of my own since we last met. I ain't gonna make a habit of it". This line is meant to only be included if John has done any bounties between the first time he meets Sadie (which is when they unlock for him) and the 2nd and in this case I hadn't done any.

 

The reason why I reloaded the savegame was because I thought it would've been one of the new bounties messing things up. The only one of these available for Arthur is during Chapter 4 - Camille de Millemont. Turns out it must be something else such as an even earlier bounty perhaps or just a new little glitch they have added.

 

The best way to make this make sense is to do a bounty between those first 2 Sadie missions. The ones in Blackwater make no sense because they involve Skinner Brothers and when I did these before the main mission that involves the skinners John still acted like he didn't know who the skinners were during that. And the Foreman bounty in Saint Denis is a bit too far so I think the best one is the new Strawberry bounty - Bart Cavanaugh who is a Laramie gang member and when this becomes available John will already have dealt with the Laramie gang.

Edited April 24, 2020 by jimmyoneshot