Mostly_Red 1,668 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, O.Z said: RDR2 is the highest rated game of the decade(metacritic) tied with GTA V and Galaxy 2. I will take that over any GOTY award. And? GTA IV is the highest rated game from last gen and does come close to be one of the best TLOU, Skyrim, Arkham City, Uncharted 2, Journey, Bioshock Infinite, Dark Souls, GTA V, Portal 2, MGS 4 Critics rarely give bad scores to games from R* because they do not want to piss them off. Edited December 10, 2018 by Mostly_Red Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest176525326 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Mostly_Red said: Critics rarely give bad scores to games from R* because they do not want to piss them off. Stop with this nonsense already. Manhunt got low ratings... The critics can’t give them bad scores because Rockstar games are a level above the rest of the developers. Link to post Share on other sites
Paro93 48 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Mostly_Red said: And? GTA IV is the highest rated game from last gen and does come close to be one of the best TLOU, Skyrim, Arkham City, Uncharted 2, Journey, Bioshock Infinite, Dark Souls, GTA V, Portal 2, MGS 4 Critics rarely give bad scores to games from R* because they do not want to piss them off. People should believe whatever they want to believe. I believe that the most honest approach is to admit that RDR2 was beaten, it had a stronger competition... and it's fine if people want to believe it was a system fault, SJW fault, or God's fault. More power to than. But we all should agree that this metascores or VGA award is not that important. I'm actually laughing at this whole situation. https://m.imgur.com/0fwHT9f And the memes were amazing hahaha. Edited December 10, 2018 by Paro93 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Mostly_Red 1,668 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Paro93 said: People should believe whatever they want to believe. I believe that the most honest approach is to admit that RDR2 was beaten, it had a stronger competition... and it's fine if people want to believe it was a system fault, SJW fault, or God's fault. More power to than. But we all should agree that this metascores or VGA award is not that important. I'm actually laughing ate this whole situation. https://m.imgur.com/0fwHT9f And the memes were amazing hahaha. This one is my favourite lol 1 Link to post Share on other sites
TheSantader25 7,153 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 RDR2 got robbed IMO. but let's just move on. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest176525326 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 18 minutes ago, TheSantader25 said: RDR2 got robbed IMO. but let's just move on. Agreed. Most people with common sense know this! Link to post Share on other sites
Mostly_Red 1,668 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, O.Z said: Agreed. Most people with common sense know this! The second part? For sure Link to post Share on other sites
Paro93 48 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 13 minutes ago, O.Z said: Agreed. Most people with common sense know this! You´re right than. https://imgur.com/Y3pYkwa Link to post Share on other sites
TheSantader25 7,153 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Paro93 said: You´re right than. https://imgur.com/Y3pYkwa Indeed😉 Link to post Share on other sites
Mostly_Red 1,668 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Lol Link to post Share on other sites
Tonesta 851 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Way I see it, God of War was a game of average size and scope, that was executed just about flawlessly. Red Dead Redemption 2 - as with all recent R* titles, and as can probably only be done by a studio with their resources - is a game of unprecedented size and scope and ambition; the sheer size and complexity of the map and the frankly absurd amount of detail and content within the world (and the story) is over and above anything that's ever been done before. But it does fray at the edges a little, and there is a certain clunkiness about some aspects of the gameplay. So this feels to me a little bit like the 1980 Oscars.....Apocalypse Now was innovative and original and frustrating and big and bold and oddly paced and flawed and magnificent. And it lost to Kramer vs. Kramer, a small, well acted, well executed movie of limited ambition. Was that the wrong decision? I don't know....choosing between two such different works for an award is an almost impossible task. But I do know which movie was more influential and memorable in the long run. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Mostly_Red 1,668 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 39 minutes ago, Tonesta said: Way I see it, God of War was a game of average size and scope, that was executed just about flawlessly. Red Dead Redemption 2 - as with all recent R* titles, and as can probably only be done by a studio with their resources - is a game of unprecedented size and scope and ambition; the sheer size and complexity of the map and the frankly absurd amount of detail and content within the world (and the story) is over and above anything that's ever been done before. But it does fray at the edges a little, and there is a certain clunkiness about some aspects of the gameplay. So this feels to me a little bit like the 1980 Oscars.....Apocalypse Now was innovative and original and frustrating and big and bold and oddly paced and flawed and magnificent. And it lost to Kramer vs. Kramer, a small, well acted, well executed movie of limited ambition. Was that the wrong decision? I don't know....choosing between two such different works for an award is an almost impossible task. But I do know which movie was more influential and memorable in the long run. So, are you among those who believe that RDR 2 was robbed and GoW didn't deserve it? Keep in mind that not every game needs to be a huge open-world. Being a semi-linear game doesn't necessarily mean that it's not ambicious. It can be ambicious for its genre Look at 2019. Packed with incredible games, but none of them are open-world: DMC V, Sekiro, Kingdom Hearts 3, Resident Evil 2 and perhaps TLOU 2 We should be glad that there any many genres, doing different things Link to post Share on other sites
Tonesta 851 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 51 minutes ago, Mostly_Red said: So, are you among those who believe that RDR 2 was robbed and GoW didn't deserve it? Keep in mind that not every game needs to be a huge open-world. Being a semi-linear game doesn't necessarily mean that it's not ambicious. It can be ambicious for its genre Look at 2019. Packed with incredible games, but none of them are open-world: DMC V, Sekiro, Kingdom Hearts 3, Resident Evil 2 and perhaps TLOU 2 We should be glad that there any many genres, doing different things No, I'm saying that it was a really tough decision. The Game Awards had to decide between gameplay execution vs. size and scale. But I do believe that Red Dead Redemption 2 is the biggest and most ambitious game ever released. In terms of volume of content, and size and detail in world-building, no game I've ever played or seen has even come close. Whether it is better is a subjective determination.....I think it is, but then I value world building more highly than gameplay mechanics, and exploration and discovery over combat. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Mostly_Red 1,668 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 12 minutes ago, Tonesta said: No, I'm saying that it was a really tough decision. The Game Awards had to decide between gameplay execution vs. size and scale. But I do believe that Red Dead Redemption 2 is the biggest and most ambitious game ever released. In terms of volume of content, and size and detail in world-building, no game I've ever played or seen has even come close. Whether it is better is a subjective determination.....I think it is, but then I value world building more highly than gameplay mechanics, and exploration and discovery over combat. Yeah, RDR 2 is an impressive achievement in scale and world building. Probably the best realized and detailed open-world ever made But then again, like you said, GoW is almost flawless. It nails pretty much everything it does. Do we choose the most ambicious game but with some flaws, or the more focused game that does everything well? It's a really tough call. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Tonesta 851 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Mostly_Red said: Yeah, RDR 2 is an impressive achievement in scale and world building. Probably the best realized and detailed open-world ever made But then again, like you said, GoW is almost flawless. It nails pretty much everything it does. Do we choose the most ambicious game but with some flaws, or the more focused game that does everything well? It's a really tough call. Agreed. All I will say - with my RDR2 fanboy hat on - is that whilst it is possible that a game as good as GoW comes out in 2019, if for example one of the games you mentioned really nails it, I think it's very unlikely that a bigger, fuller and more detailed open world comes out any time soon. Probably not until Rockstar's next magnum opus.....which given the current timeline they seem to be operating on, likely won't be before 2023 at the earliest. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Jason 28,080 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 (edited) If God of War does everything well than so does RDR2 lol. It has some issues and flaws just like any other great game. To name a few of GoW's issues: two huge pieces of the side content are uninteresting and repetitive grindfests, poor enemy and side-boss variety, lack of major bosses and an uninteresting and lacklustre itemisation and gearing system. None of this is done terribly, but none of it's what I would call good either. The core gameplay, story and just the overall story telling of the game is what sets it apart from the rest. Loved those boat rides, it also might've been the first game to make an AI companion not be crap. Edited December 11, 2018 by Jason 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Mostly_Red 1,668 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, Tonesta said: Agreed. All I will say - with my RDR2 fanboy hat on - is that whilst it is possible that a game as good as GoW comes out in 2019, if for example one of the games you mentioned really nails it, I think it's very unlikely that a bigger, fuller and more detailed open world comes out any time soon. Probably not until Rockstar's next magnum opus.....which given the current timeline they seem to be operating on, likely won't be before 2023 at the earliest. For both cases, i don't think any game will come close to what they did for their genre Maybe, and is this is a big maybe, Cyberpunk will come close to RDR 2, and TLOU 2 has a shot of being as good or better than GoW. They both raised the bar this year Link to post Share on other sites
TheSantader25 7,153 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 I'm really excited to see if CDPR can be Rockstar's new rivals in the open world genre. I hope CP2077 lives up to what I'm expecting. And as for TLOU 2 I hope Naughty dog can innovate linear games and Narration like they did in 2013 and no one has ever done since but it's gonna be very tough to top TLOU. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Tonesta 851 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 57 minutes ago, Mostly_Red said: For both cases, i don't think any game will come close to what they did for their genre Maybe, and is this is a big maybe, Cyberpunk will come close to RDR 2, and TLOU 2 has a shot of being as good or better than GoW. They both raised the bar this year Colour me sceptical! Which is not to say that Cyberpunk 2077 won't be an excellent game - it may well be. But I feel that creating something on the scale of RDR2 requires an insane number of people-hours; there's just no short cuts when it comes to creating that level of distinct and original content. CD Projekt are getting bigger, but they're still much smaller, and have far fewer resources, than Rockstar. At best, at this stage, I'm expecting their open world to be on a par with Liberty City in GTA IV........ .......which, if the gameplay and story are strong, could still make for a great gaming experience. But I just don't expect it will have the same epic feel that RDR2 has. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest176525326 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 hour ago, TheSantader25 said: I'm really excited to see if CDPR can be Rockstar's new rivals in the open world genre. I hope CP2077 lives up to what I'm expecting. And as for TLOU 2 I hope Naughty dog can innovate linear games and Narration like they did in 2013 and no one has ever done since but it's gonna be very tough to top TLOU. Unfortunately CP2077 does not have a 3rd person mode, therefor I couldn't care less for the game... Link to post Share on other sites
Mostly_Red 1,668 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 We can have both after all, lol God Dead Redemption 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest176525326 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, Mostly_Red said: We can have both after all, lol God Dead Redemption 2 That's pretty cool... have you noticed the comments? 99% of the people can't believe that RDR2 didn't win the GOTY. The truth is out there... Link to post Share on other sites
Mostly_Red 1,668 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, O.Z said: That's pretty cool... have you noticed the comments? 99% of the people can't believe that RDR2 didn't win the GOTY. The truth is out there... Or you can read these comments as well... There's no truth or lack of it. Just opinios, not facts Link to post Share on other sites
southparkmayor 733 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA I'm so glad it lost GOTY. This is what R* gets for f*cking over PC Gamers. Link to post Share on other sites
Algonquin Assassin 49,765 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 9 hours ago, Mostly_Red said: Critics rarely give bad scores to games from R* because they do not want to piss them off. I can't say I agree with that. It doesn't have anything to do with critics not wanting to piss them off and more to do with most of their games they release are good and deserving of praise so there's really no reason to down score them. Even as someone who isn't a big fan of GTA V I can understand why critics loved it at release despite it isn't my type of game. R* also have the advantage that they don't release games annually anymore so there's less chance they'll release something crap so why would critics give them bad scores if they don't deserve it? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Turan 450 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 So far this generation there are three games I would consider a 10/10: RDR2 Bloodborne God of War So any of these games winning the GOTY (or GOTG) is more than fine by me! Love em like they’re my children. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
Mostly_Red 1,668 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 7 hours ago, Turan said: So far this generation there are three games I would consider a 10/10: RDR2 Bloodborne God of War So any of these games winning the GOTY (or GOTG) is more than fine by me! Love em like they’re my children. I could live with that Bloodborne is still one of my favs First time of face the Cleric Beast is magical Link to post Share on other sites
TheSantader25 7,153 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Two more awards for GOW One for RDR2 Link to post Share on other sites
tommyboypwns 10 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 18 hours ago, Mostly_Red said: And? GTA IV is the highest rated game from last gen and does come close to be one of the best TLOU, Skyrim, Arkham City, Uncharted 2, Journey, Bioshock Infinite, Dark Souls, GTA V, Portal 2, MGS 4 Critics rarely give bad scores to games from R* because they do not want to piss them off. Alot of your arguments and talking points in here are based on conjecture. ”they didnt want to piss rockstar off thats why it got good reviews” -conjecture RDR2 sold more, won more awards at the awards itself, and has a higher metacritic score. -these are all observable facts, not conjecture. Try explaining away those ones. 20 hours ago, Mostly_Red said: "All Rockstar ever need to do is to fix the bad control and stiff shooting in their games but nope, can't hear our opinion because we are just insignificant little gamers, our voice don't matter. Only the critic's voice matter. There's no way these gamers know any sh*t about video games, they don't even work in the industry.Hey look the critics all gave our game a 10/10, see? Our game is PERFECT. To think that ''gamers'' criticized our game's control...what a bunch of fools. GOTY here we come!Dear Rockstar, your bad game control may not reflect in the reviews because the reviewers don't wanna piss anybody off, but it will be remembered, and it will eventually have an effect on the awards. Don't be fooled by the 10/10 reviews, don't be so easy to please. Your game design is flawed, period. God of War didn't win because they are the smaller guys and you guy are the super Titan, no, God of War wins because it plays REALLY well. It is that simple." This is pretty much what i think That EA guy even made a video about the massive input-lag. "But but but, it’s immersion and weight. Not input-lag lag, i swear" lol See the thing about that is, RDR2’s fundamental flaws can be fixed via patch. Something very similar happened with Witcher 3. People complained about the controls and they patched in an entirely different control scheme/movement system. GOW’s flaws on the other hand, cant be fixed. Its replay value is so awesome, Im sure people will continue to play it online and have great experiences with friends....oh wait. Once and done and sold to Gamestop. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Mostly_Red 1,668 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 18 minutes ago, tommyboypwns said: Alot of your arguments and talking points in here are based on conjecture. ”they didnt want to piss rockstar off thats why it got good reviews” -conjecture RDR2 sold more, won more awards at the awards itself, and has a higher metacritic score. -these are all observable facts, not conjecture. Try explaining away those ones. See the thing about that is, RDR2’s fundamental flaws can be fixed via patch. Something very similar happened with Witcher 3. People complained about the controls and they patched in an entirely different control scheme/movement system. GOW’s flaws on the other hand, cant be fixed. Its replay value is so awesome, Im sure people will continue to play it online and have great experiences with friends....oh wait. Once and done and sold to Gamestop. Replay value is overrated It's not about the time you play It's about the quality time that game gives you Journey lasts 2h and is one of the best games ever made. Scores are not facts, are opinions. But since you considered that as a fact, GoW won GOTY. So that's a fact too Link to post Share on other sites
