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Journey_95

Vote for RDR2 in The Game Awards

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When all is said and done, RDR2

will be remembered as once in a decade kind of game... in a few years time no one will be talking about GOW. 

 

RDR2 is the closest a game has ever come to experience the Westworld so to speak. 

 

It’s a true masterpiece, it even eclipses the GTA IV and is without a doubt the best Rockstar game of all time. Well in my opinion anyways.

 

However it could have been better, if Rockstar hadn’t gone soft and removed some of the in game options, like why can’t we shoot our own horse and skin it?! It was possible in RDR, why get rid of it?

 

But small niggles like these aside, RDR2 deserves 10/10 and game of the decade status

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I'm sure plenty of people will still be talking about GOW in the future as well lol

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Just now, Meekail said:

I'm sure plenty of people will still be talking about GOW in the future as well lol

R* fanboys are the best lol 

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18 minutes ago, Meekail said:

I'm sure plenty of people will still be talking about GOW in the future as well lol

The Mathewmatosis review about GOW points out a very good point. I actually disagreed with most of his points since he was nitpicking but there's just one sentence at the end that really captures what I wanted to say. Throughout the entire Vid he used other games to compare certain elements of GOW to. But at the end he pointed out it was unfair but at the same time GOW won't be an example of comparison for future games in the industry since it doesn't have anything that stands out for others to take influence from. I said it before. GOW shows the "current" state of the industry at it's "peak". But it doesn't move the industry "forward". It's like a summary of powerful points from previous games in the industry but doesn't have anything new for others to learn. 

1 hour ago, Paro93 said:

Yes, voting system's does have it's problems. It always will have.

But GOW and RDR2 competed in the same conditions, so those "flaws" were applied for both of them. 

 

Disagreed. The voting system flaws are present in a "competition". And since there can be only one winner in the competition they will benefit one and hurt the other. 

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19 minutes ago, Mostly_Red said:

R* fanboys are the best lol 

Imagine being on rockstar fansite calling people fanboys as if they’re gonna take it as an insult smh 

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4 minutes ago, TheSantader25 said:

The Mathewmatosis review about GOW points out a very good point. I actually disagreed with most of his points since he was nitpicking but there's just one sentence at the end that really captures what I wanted to say. Throughout the entire Vid he used other games to compare certain elements of GOW to. But at the end he pointed out it was unfair butbat the same time GOW won't be an example of comparison for future games in the industry since it doesn't have anything that stands out for others to take influence from. I said it before. GOW shows the "current" state of the industry at it's "peak". But it doesn't move the industry "forward". It's like a summary of powerful points of previous games in the industry but doesn't have anything new for others to learn. 

In other words - “jack of all trades, but master of none”

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"All Rockstar ever need to do is to fix the bad control and stiff shooting in their games but nope, can't hear our opinion because we are just insignificant little gamers, our voice don't matter. Only the critic's voice matter. There's no way these gamers know any sh*t about video games, they don't even work in the industry.

Hey look the critics all gave our game a 10/10, see? Our game is PERFECT. To think that ''gamers'' criticized our game's control...what a bunch of fools. GOTY here we come!

Dear Rockstar, your bad game control may not reflect in the reviews because the reviewers don't wanna piss anybody off, but it will be remembered, and it will eventually have an effect on the awards. Don't be fooled by the 10/10 reviews, don't be so easy to please. Your game design is flawed, period. 

God of War didn't win because they are the smaller guys and you guy are the super Titan, no, God of War wins because it plays REALLY well. It is that simple."

 

 

 

This is pretty much what i think 

 

That EA guy even made a video about the massive input-lag.

 

"But but but, it’s immersion and weight. Not input-lag lag, i swear" lol 

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^Do you want me to pull some similar comments for GOW? 

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10 minutes ago, TheSantader25 said:

Disagreed. The voting system flaws are present in a "competition". And since there can be only one winner in the competition they will benefit one and hurt the other. 

Than we will have to learn to disagree. Your logic is only valid if you can prove that overall, RDR2 had more votes at VGA than GOW, wich we do not know. And even than, they competed in the same context, so the rules were applied to both, therefore whoever won, won fair and square.

 

According to your own logic, should RDR2 won, than it would be unfair, beucause the voting system is not perfect (none is). 

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1 minute ago, TheSantader25 said:

^Do you want me to pull some similar comments for GOW? 

 

You did, with that guy's "review" 

 

 

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@Mostly_Red

 

What would you rate the gameplay if Rockstar patched it and improved the input lag? As for the 'stiff shooting' honestly no offense intended but that phrase means absolutely nothing to me. What does 'stiff shooting' mean? For me the shooting is my favourite in any game that isn't a dedicated FPS, or Max Payne 3. 

 

@Paro93

 

If the voting system is inherently unfair then winning fair and square doesn't really exist imo. I give credit to TheSantader25 for pointing out how silly the voting system is because I previously had no idea, but I agree with your overall point. I don't think RDR2 would've won even if you counted each individual critic's vote, but I do think it's more to do with the popular gaming discussion trends and gaming 'politics'. Not in a 'blame SJWs' type way though (not saying they had no impact whatsoever). 

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6 minutes ago, josephene123 said:

@Mostly_Red

 

What would you rate the gameplay if Rockstar patched it and improved the input lag? As for the 'stiff shooting' honestly no offense intended but that phrase means absolutely nothing to me. What does 'stiff shooting' mean? For me the shooting is my favourite in any game that isn't a dedicated FPS, or Max Payne 3. 

 

I would i rate the game if the gameplay was good? 

 

Probably 10/10

 

As it stands it's 9/10

 

The aiming is awful and wafty. Too much lag 

The movement is clunky af

 

And then the small things. You have to feed your horse, milk cows, chop wood, bring money and food to the camp, brush the horse, eat, you cant use fast travel in a proper way, you cant run at the camp 

 

None of this is fun or responsive. On a 60h game it gets boring for many people 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Paro93 said:

Than we will have to learn to disagree. Your logic is only valid if you can prove that overall, RDR2 had more votes at VGA than GOW, wich we do not know. And even than, they competed in the same context, so the rules were applied to both, therefore whoever won, won fair and square.

 

According to your own logic, should RDR2 won, than it would be unfair, beucause the voting system is not perfect (none is). 

I have no proof that RDR2 suffered because of the voting flaws and I agree that this could apply even if RDR2 won but it's clear that this current voting system cannot be a good source for the awards show that is aiming to be the Oscars of video game industry. It's not reliable at all. They should reconsider their system. This system won't have an effect when we have a one sided year(like 2015)BUT when we have two or more gigantic games in one year the current system really can ruin the credibility of the show.This will apply to future TGAs as well and I'm not pointing it out for RDR2's sake.It could hurt GOW, RDR2 or any game that gets caught up in it  and gives the "lucky" winner an advantage. This is a very big flaw in a show which is aiming to be the Oscars of video games.

@Mostly_Red

But there's more... 

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18 minutes ago, Mostly_Red said:

"All Rockstar ever need to do is to fix the bad control and stiff shooting in their games...

Games? Lol, this guy seems like a proper hater. What’s this “bad control” and “stiff shooting” is he on about? I have never had any problems with any of the Rockstar titles myself, apart from GTA3 maybe(a bit clunky). 

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13 minutes ago, josephene123 said:

 

@Paro93

 

If the voting system is inherently unfair then winning fair and square doesn't really exist imo. I give credit to TheSantader25 for pointing out how silly the voting system is because I previously had no idea, but I agree with your overall point. I don't think RDR2 would've won even if you counted each individual critic's vote, but I do think it's more to do with the popular gaming discussion trends and gaming 'politics'. Not in a 'blame SJWs' type way though (not saying they had no impact whatsoever). 

If the vote is inherently unfair, wich i don't think it is. It's a methodological procedure VGA uses and judge it to be the best. They apparently always used this methodologie. It's imperfect yes, but all voting systems are, none is perfect, there is no perfect methodologie. It is invalid or unfair? Absolutely no.

As i said, they competed in the same conditions and rules, so the results are indeed fair and square. 

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If RDR 2 won everything would be perfect, i guess. 

 

Sigh 

 

 

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Just now, Mostly_Red said:

If RDR 2 won everything would be perfect, i guess. 

 

Sigh 

 

 

Nope. That's unfair. GOW deserved Game Direction, Audio Effects and Art direction IMO. That's 3 Awards. Ironically it DID win three awards. But not the one's it deserved. 

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9 minutes ago, TheSantader25 said:

I have no proof that RDR2 suffered because of the voting flaws and I agree that this could apply even if RDR2 won but it's clear that this current voting system cannot be a good source for the awards show that is aiming to be the Oscars of video game industry. It's not reliable at all. They should reconsider their system. This system won't have an effect when we have a one sided year(like 2015)BUT when we have two or more gigantic games in one year the current system really can ruin the credibility of the show.This will apply to future TGAs as well and I'm not pointing it out for RDR2's sake.It could hurt GOW, RDR2 or any game that gets caught up in it  and gives the "lucky" winner an advantage. This is a very big flaw in a show which is aiming to be the Oscars of video games.

@Mostly_Red

But there's more... 

As i said, there's no perfect methodology. So no, it's not unreliable. 

The voting system is perfect? No. Wich one is than? 

There will always be omissions, there will always be different weights for different votes. All of that can be criticized. 

 

And even if appear one genius person, and create the perfect methodology system.... It would still be called unfair or rigged by some. Because voting are not based on straightforward and objective facts, but in personal opinions from the voters. 

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Just now, Paro93 said:

As i said, there's no perfect methodolgie. So no, it's not unreliable. 

The voting system is perfect? No. Wich one is than? 

There will always be omissions, there will always be different weights for different votes. All of that can be criticized. 

 

And even if appear one genius person, and create the perfect methodology system.... It would still be called unfair or rigged by some. Because voting are not based on straightforward and objective facts, but in personal opinions from the voters. 

Nope. I don't expect it to be perfect. But why should it be retarded? Why can't they count individuals within organizations instead of the overall vote from each organization? How hard is that. 

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Just now, TheSantader25 said:

Nope. That's unfair. GOW deserved Game Direction, Audio Effects and Art direction IMO. That's 3 Awards. Ironically it DID win three awards. But not the one's it deserved. 

I meant the big one 

 

Let's be honest, no one gives a crap about the "best art" or "best audio" 

 

But just because you said it, i think RDR 2 deserved best Narrative, best sound and best Performance. 

 

Best ost i would give it to Celeste. And goty and best direction to GoW 

 

And that's exactly how i voted.

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The only reason RDR2 wasn’t crowned as the game of the year was purely because the controversial feminist shooting. The Game Awards chickend out, they didn’t want bad publicity that would have followed if RDR2 was named as the GOTY. Simple as that.

 

Even the crowd were surprised when GOW was announced as the winner

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4 minutes ago, Mostly_Red said:

I meant the big one 

 

Let's be honest, no one gives a crap about the "best art" or "best audio" 

 

But just because you said it, i think RDR 2 deserved best Narrative, best sound and best Performance. 

 

Best ost i would give it to Celeste. And goty and best direction to GoW 

 

And that's exactly how i voted.

And I voted exactly as I said as well.

 

GOTY-RDR2

Narrative-RDR2

Action/Adventure-RDR2

OST:RDR2

Performance:Roger Clark

Art:GOW

Direction:GOW

Audio:GOW

 These were the categories these two games competed in. I did vote for Celeste in two categories I suppose. 

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12 minutes ago, TheSantader25 said:

And I voted exactly as I said as well.

 

GOTY-RDR2

Narrative-RDR2

Action/Adventure-RDR2

OST:RDR2

Performance:Roger Clark

Art:GOW

Direction:GOW

Audio:GOW

 These were the categories these two games competed in. I did vote for Celeste in two categories I suppose. 

Both games killed it in the audio department 

 

RDR 2 with the weather sound effects, animal sounds, trees sounds, guns sounds

 

GoW with the weapons sound effects, the sounds of the monsters, the Dragons, etc 

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15 minutes ago, Paro93 said:

If the vote is inherently unfair, wich i don't think it is. It's a methodological procedure VGA uses and judge it to be the best. They apparently always used this methodologie. It's imperfect yes, but all voting systems are, none is perfect, there is no perfect methodologie. It is invalid or unfair? Absolutely no.

As i said, they competed in the same conditions and rules, so the results are indeed fair and square. 

If my understanding is correct it could mean a publication with 5 members of staff eligible to vote carries as much weight as a publication with 200. The vote count could be 200 for one game and 5 for another, but it would be a tie... I think that's completely broken. Obviously a far fetched scenario but the fact it's possible is silly when surely it's possible to just count the individual votes. 

 

@Mostly_Red

So the complaints about the gunplay are more meaningless words besides the input lag. That's fine and all, if you are bothered by the input lag then that's perfectly reasonable when other games don't share the same problem.

 

A lot of the things you mentioned are fun and add a lot to the experience for many. I won't deny there are some issues with some of the maintenance and how often you need to do things like brush your horse. The camp and ranch chores are so rarely mandatory that I don't see how you can list milking a cow as one of the small things that actually make the gameplay of RDR2 worse. Wood chopping I'm not sure if it was ever mandatory and some won't even notice it as an optional task. I see your points and some of them are fair but I guess most highlight your gaming preferences rather than inherent flaws with the game. 

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I completed the game without delivering anything to the camp. That's just for players who love to immerse themselves with the side stuff just like GOW has them as well. And milking cows is like 0.0000001% of the game. You have to slowly carry multiple items in GOW as well. 

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14 minutes ago, josephene123 said:

If my understanding is correct it could mean a publication with 5 members of staff eligible to vote carries as much weight as a publication with 200. The vote count could be 200 for one game and 5 for another, but it would be a tie... I think that's completely broken. Obviously a far fetched scenario but the fact it's possible is silly when surely it's possible to just count the individual votes. 

 

@Mostly_Red

So the complaints about the gunplay are more meaningless words besides the input lag. That's fine and all, if you are bothered by the input lag then that's perfectly reasonable when other games don't share the same problem.

 

A lot of the things you mentioned are fun and add a lot to the experience for many. I won't deny there are some issues with some of the maintenance and how often you need to do things like brush your horse. The camp and ranch chores are so rarely mandatory that I don't see how you can list milking a cow as one of the small things that actually make the gameplay of RDR2 worse. Wood chopping I'm not sure if it was ever mandatory and some won't even notice it as an optional task. I see your points and some of them are fair but I guess most highlight your gaming preferences rather than inherent flaws with the game. 

 

Those things i mentioned are not flaws. Are preferences. Either you like it or you don't 

 

The aiming and movement are the actual flaws. 

 

Had to toggle on the auto aim because of that, which is something i try to avoid in games 

 

 

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45 minutes ago, TheSantader25 said:

Nope. I don't expect it to be perfect. But why should it be retarded? Why can't they count individuals within organizations instead of the overall vote from each organization? How hard is that. 

Ask VGA, study they methodologies and undestand why they did it.

You are missing the point, every other situation would still be flawed. And there's no point discussing this. It is what it is.

 

23 minutes ago, josephene123 said:

If my understanding is correct it could mean a publication with 5 members of staff eligible to vote carries as much weight as a publication with 200. The vote count could be 200 for one game and 5 for another, but it would be a tie... I think that's completely broken. Obviously a far fetched scenario but the fact it's possible is silly when surely it's possible to just count the individual votes.

Sure, it appears broken, they should improve upon it. Or maybe they have their methodological reasons to do so, and there's no reason to change it. Who knows? What we know is that we don't hahaha

 

And in the end, there would still be omissions, flaws, and etc.... so why discuss the system?? It's pointless

Under this condition, we had a fair winner, and many other fair losers. 

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RDR2 is the highest rated game of the decade(metacritic) tied with GTA V and Galaxy 2. 

 

I will take that over any GOTY award.

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Just now, O.Z said:

RDR2 is the highest rated game of the decade(metacritic) tied with GTA V and Galaxy 2. 

 

I will take that over any GOTY award.

And TLOZ:Breath of the Wild+Mario Odyssey

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2 minutes ago, TheSantader25 said:

And TLOZ:Breath of the Wild+Mario Odyssey

I forgot the Odyssey, BOTW has dropped to 96 now

 

my bad, the Switch version is still at 97

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